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Jun 12 04:55:30 <wizbit> what tool can i use to stop the little vibrations when you touch the nokia n900?
Jun 12 04:58:12 <wizbit> found it :D
Jun 12 04:58:40 <wizbit> im trying to add shortcuts to the desktop, however, some shortcuts are missing from the list, like phone, contacts and email
Jun 12 06:27:58 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Jun 12 08:27:58 <bencoh> wizbit: can you find them from the launcher ?
Jun 12 11:47:17 <sixwheeledbeast> wizbit: some shortcuts you can only add once IIRC
Jun 12 11:57:16 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jun 12 16:06:08 <Ashley`> ...
Jun 12 16:06:19 <Ashley`> muh usb port
Jun 12 16:10:12 <Ashley`> :c
Jun 12 16:10:33 <Ashley`> shouldnt have bought that phone
Jun 12 16:10:55 <Ashley`> ~help
Jun 12 16:12:50 <Ashley`> ~usb
Jun 12 16:12:53 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, usb is Unusable Serial Bus.  Useless Serial Bus.  Ugly Stupid Bus
Jun 12 16:15:09 <KotCzarny> hi
Jun 12 16:15:14 <KotCzarny> anyone alive?
Jun 12 16:15:35 <Ashley`> cześć
Jun 12 16:15:39 <KotCzarny> cze
Jun 12 16:15:55 <KotCzarny> jaki soft do pilota ?
Jun 12 16:16:07 <Ashley`> english please :P
Jun 12 16:16:18 <KotCzarny> you were changing lang first :P
Jun 12 16:16:31 <Ashley`> that was just hello :P
Jun 12 16:16:36 <KotCzarny> anyway
Jun 12 16:16:47 <Ashley`> i never used my n900 as a remote
Jun 12 16:16:48 <KotCzarny> irreco remote db seems to be down
Jun 12 16:16:56 <KotCzarny> so i'm looking for a fix/replacement
Jun 12 16:17:13 <KotCzarny> get pierogi, it has nice db of remotes (but not the one i need atm)
Jun 12 16:17:16 <Snafu777> pierogi
Jun 12 16:17:28 <KotCzarny> snafu, can i add remote in pierogi?
Jun 12 16:17:56 <KotCzarny> it seems to use builtin ones only
Jun 12 16:20:09 <Snafu777> No, sorry
Jun 12 16:20:15 <Snafu777> Well
Jun 12 16:20:20 <Snafu777> U can change freqs manually
Jun 12 16:20:22 <Snafu777> if u know them
Jun 12 16:20:32 <KotCzarny> via editing binary?
Jun 12 16:20:37 <Snafu777> No
Jun 12 16:20:38 <Snafu777> in the gui
Jun 12 16:21:02 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jun 12 16:21:12 <KotCzarny> how?
Jun 12 16:22:03 <Snafu777> bleh
Jun 12 16:22:05 <Snafu777> its just a binaary
Jun 12 16:22:10 <KotCzarny> told you
Jun 12 16:22:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 12 16:22:16 <KotCzarny> so, back to irreco
Jun 12 16:22:23 <KotCzarny> is there a fix for db not found ?
Jun 12 16:22:47 <Snafu777> open pierogi
Jun 12 16:22:59 <KotCzarny> and?
Jun 12 16:23:16 <KotCzarny> btw. im using v1.0, is there any newer ?
Jun 12 16:23:33 <Snafu777> tap top button
Jun 12 16:23:45 <Snafu777> pierogi_1.1.25_armel.deb
Jun 12 16:23:49 <KotCzarny> ahm
Jun 12 16:23:54 <KotCzarny> k, going to update it then
Jun 12 16:24:00 <KotCzarny> though apt-get update doesnt find it
Jun 12 16:24:28 <Snafu777> heh
Jun 12 16:24:31 <Snafu777> its out there
Jun 12 16:24:39 <Snafu777> either way, open that version up
Jun 12 16:24:42 <Snafu777> Hit top button
Jun 12 16:24:48 <Snafu777> hit preferences
Jun 12 16:24:52 <KotCzarny> no prefs
Jun 12 16:25:00 <Snafu777> the debug options allow for freq changes
Jun 12 16:25:01 <KotCzarny> that's twhy i need to update it somehow first
Jun 12 16:25:03 <Snafu777> never messed with it
Jun 12 16:25:47 <KotCzarny> Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free pierogi 1.1.35 [758kB]
Jun 12 16:25:52 <KotCzarny> 1.1.35 
Jun 12 16:25:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 12 16:26:26 <Snafu777> configitnow.com/pwnphone/pwnphone_img_v4.0.tar.lzma
Jun 12 16:26:39 <Snafu777> that works too
Jun 12 16:28:06 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: if latest pierogi doesn't have your keyset, first try the power key search. If that fails request your device here http://wiki.maemo.org/Pierogi_Device_Compatibility_List#Requests
Jun 12 16:29:14 <KotCzarny> sixwheeledbeast, it looks like it worked, i like the automatic scan feature!
Jun 12 16:29:35 <sixwheeledbeast> ok
Jun 12 16:29:54 <Snafu777> =)
Jun 12 16:32:35 <Ashley`> is someone from Wrocław here?
Jun 12 16:32:49 <KotCzarny> i'm from bialystok
Jun 12 16:32:58 <Snafu777> I am from Murica!
Jun 12 16:34:09 <KotCzarny> hrm, no luck though
Jun 12 16:34:13 <KotCzarny> only power key worked
Jun 12 16:34:23 <KotCzarny> other keys are different
Jun 12 16:34:27 <KotCzarny> ie. not working
Jun 12 16:35:45 <Iridos> hmp. funny. the n900 dropped out of my bag 2 weeks ago and... everything is working, except the phone
Jun 12 16:36:00 <Snafu777> hah
Jun 12 16:36:03 <KotCzarny> iridos, try reseating sim card?
Jun 12 16:36:19 <Iridos> now I wanted to send an sms to someone who changed phone-numbers in between... and so there's 2 conversations
Jun 12 16:36:46 <Iridos> both labeled with the same name and I cannot figure out for sure what the old and what the new number is
Jun 12 16:36:57 <KotCzarny> iridos, check the dates
Jun 12 16:37:09 <KotCzarny> then create contact with another name
Jun 12 16:37:28 <KotCzarny> it will show properly then
Jun 12 16:37:31 <Iridos> oh, I know what the new conversations are... but the two numbers are both in the addressbook as the same person
Jun 12 16:37:49 <Iridos> I usually just replied to sms on the 900, so there was no problem with that :P
Jun 12 16:37:54 <KotCzarny> iridos, delete one number, recreate it with another name
Jun 12 16:38:01 <KotCzarny> conversation will update
Jun 12 16:38:04 <KotCzarny> to show new name
Jun 12 16:38:15 <Iridos> oooh, that's a nice idea
Jun 12 16:38:36 <KotCzarny> i hate that part of maemo
Jun 12 16:38:37 * Snafu777 thinks the fact that people are actually using the N900 as a phone is baffling
Jun 12 16:38:52 <KotCzarny> ie. not being able to know from which number some person is calling
Jun 12 16:39:00 <KotCzarny> sanfu, its a very nice phone
Jun 12 16:39:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 12 16:39:21 <KotCzarny> always used it as such, and other features are add-ons
Jun 12 16:39:30 <KotCzarny> s/are/as/
Jun 12 16:39:32 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: always used it as such, and other features as add-ons
Jun 12 16:39:52 <KotCzarny> infobot: do the barrel roll
Jun 12 16:39:53 * infobot does the barrel roll.
Jun 12 16:39:54 <Snafu777> I think it's a horrible smart phone, but to each his own
Jun 12 16:40:07 <Snafu777> I use it for a portable computer in my pocket that i ssh into
Jun 12 16:40:12 <KotCzarny> snafu, i disagree, it works good as a phone
Jun 12 16:40:20 <Snafu777> Too damn bulky
Jun 12 16:40:24 <Iridos> the hardware is slow... but still the best smartphone around
Jun 12 16:40:29 <KotCzarny> put it in the backpack
Jun 12 16:40:30 * Snafu777 is boggled
Jun 12 16:40:35 <Snafu777> infobot: act boggled
Jun 12 16:40:40 <Snafu777> infobot: do act boggled
Jun 12 16:40:41 * infobot does act boggled.
Jun 12 16:40:42 <Iridos> I got some android thingy as a replacement... now google even knows when and where I go to pee
Jun 12 16:40:43 <KotCzarny> i hate having anything in the pockets
Jun 12 16:40:55 <Snafu777> I like having google know when i peepee
Jun 12 16:41:14 <KotCzarny> have you tried to peepee on it?
Jun 12 16:41:24 <Snafu777> On the phone?
Jun 12 16:41:31 <KotCzarny> on the google
Jun 12 16:41:32 <Snafu777> That's how i boost the processor speed
Jun 12 16:41:36 <Snafu777> nonono
Jun 12 16:41:39 <Snafu777> try on yer phone
Jun 12 16:41:45 <Snafu777> Really kicks up the hertz
Jun 12 16:41:46 <KotCzarny> i like my phone
Jun 12 16:41:53 <Snafu777> and it likes r kelly
Jun 12 16:41:56 <Snafu777> so pee on it
Jun 12 16:41:59 <Snafu777> it will thank you
Jun 12 16:42:00 <Iridos> and... well, I rarely phone, but I there's only one device I can lug around with me all the time... it can be a digital camera... but now it's a phone
Jun 12 16:42:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 12 16:42:45 <Snafu777> I want to pee on you........
Jun 12 16:47:00 <Iridos> KotCzarny, I actually googled after I dropped it... and seems there's some chips that just ... get loose or have some hair-pin crack in one of their connectors to the board or whatever
Jun 12 16:47:13 <Iridos> people actually put little springs on them to fix it
Jun 12 16:47:20 <Iridos> well, dunno... tried and no avail
Jun 12 16:47:29 <Iridos> it's a pity... I've have used the N900 for another 5 years
Jun 12 16:47:38 <KotCzarny> iridos :/
Jun 12 16:47:47 <Snafu777> See for me, the only thing cool about the n900 is i always have a root shell, even with a windows environment
Jun 12 16:47:47 <Iridos> it's as free as a phone gets these days
Jun 12 16:47:59 <KotCzarny> i've installed custom camera drivers once
Jun 12 16:48:08 <KotCzarny> thought i fried camera
Jun 12 16:48:17 <Iridos> and it's obscure enough that one doesn't have to worry about malware
Jun 12 16:48:24 <KotCzarny> luckily it went back to life when i uninstalled them
Jun 12 16:48:30 <Iridos> heh
Jun 12 16:48:48 <Iridos> well... as I know I dropped it, but haven't changed software in a year or so...
Jun 12 16:48:52 <KotCzarny> snafu, that and hw kb
Jun 12 16:49:00 <Iridos> I'm sure as hell not going to try to fix it by software-changes
Jun 12 16:49:28 <KotCzarny> iridos, i guess you can get used one with broken screen or something
Jun 12 16:49:46 <KotCzarny> even good working used ones are quite cheap nowadays
Jun 12 16:50:07 <Iridos> hm
Jun 12 16:50:18 <Iridos> well, already got a replacement now
Jun 12 16:50:53 <Iridos> and yeah, it's nice that it's a lot faster and that the web-browser is actually usable without having to go for a cup of coffee in between
Jun 12 16:51:04 <KotCzarny> hehe
Jun 12 16:51:33 <Iridos> ... pages
Jun 12 16:51:58 <Iridos> ha, yes... renaming the contact worked
Jun 12 16:53:46 <Iridos> \o/
Jun 12 16:54:02 <Iridos> thanks
Jun 12 16:54:15 <KotCzarny> np
Jun 12 17:05:13 <KotCzarny> 193 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded.
Jun 12 17:05:13 <KotCzarny> Need to get 57.6MB of archives.
Jun 12 17:05:15 <KotCzarny> O.o
Jun 12 17:05:28 <KotCzarny> i'm a little bit worried
Jun 12 17:05:41 <KotCzarny> package manager from gui never found new packages
Jun 12 17:06:26 <Snafu777> upgrade or dist-upgrade
Jun 12 17:06:30 <KotCzarny> upgrade
Jun 12 17:06:33 <Snafu777> ah
Jun 12 17:06:37 <Snafu777> haha, yer a bit behind
Jun 12 17:06:52 <KotCzarny> but why gui package manager never found anything new?
Jun 12 17:06:54 <Snafu777> make sure to grab the nsa-secure-we-help-you.deb
Jun 12 17:06:57 <Iridos> well, but you see what they are
Jun 12 17:25:01 <spoofy> KotCzarny: another maemo user? :)
Jun 12 17:25:12 <spoofy> ah not this channel... Snafu777 hi there 
Jun 12 17:25:46 <KotCzarny> spoofy, well, im maemo user sinc n800
Jun 12 17:25:47 <KotCzarny> :P
Jun 12 17:25:52 <KotCzarny> *since
Jun 12 17:26:21 <spoofy> I Saw Snafu777 and I thought I was on a diffrent channel ;)
Jun 12 17:26:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 12 17:40:08 <sixwheeledbeast> ~karma
Jun 12 17:40:08 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast has neutral karma
Jun 12 17:40:15 <sixwheeledbeast> grr
Jun 12 17:47:51 <KotCzarny> root is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
Jun 12 17:47:53 <KotCzarny> he he
Jun 12 18:27:33 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jun 12 18:27:42 <KotCzarny> pierogi's source doesnt contain any makefile
Jun 12 18:27:44 <KotCzarny> O.o
Jun 12 18:30:12 <KotCzarny> bleh
Jun 12 18:30:27 <KotCzarny> thats why i hate qt and other 'smart' build systems
Jun 12 18:30:36 <KotCzarny>   libqt4-dev: Depends: libgles2-sgx-img-dev but it is not installable
Jun 12 18:48:25 <Agge> Dw
Jun 12 18:48:27 <Agge> oc
Jun 12 18:49:51 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: any about a phone that gets to the nokia screen but don't get any longer in the booting? 
Jun 12 18:51:24 <Agge> the one with the nonfunktionaling screen cable. got the screen working managed to boot it and den it wont boot after I to change battery. 
Jun 12 18:52:17 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, sorry, no idea. reflash. when that doesn't fix it, it's a hw problem
Jun 12 18:52:58 <DocScrutinizer05> full! reflash. combined and vanilla
Jun 12 18:53:08 <KotCzarny> k, bye bye
Jun 12 18:56:21 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: thanks. was thinking that myself. wanted to confirm with you. I am happy that I got the screen to work at least
Jun 12 19:51:44 <Nokiabot> Updates on the project please ;-
Jun 12 19:52:41 <Nokiabot> Cut cut cut ...
Jun 12 20:03:28 <sixwheeledbeast> what project?
Jun 12 20:05:13 <elias_a> Bankrupting Nokia?
Jun 12 20:07:53 <sixwheeledbeast> impossible now
Jun 12 20:08:12 <elias_a> Umm....
Jun 12 20:08:31 <elias_a> Let's say MS may also go... :P
Jun 12 20:19:13 <Nokiabot> Just a misplacement of post stop spreading fud you all curious cats.. :P
Jun 12 21:06:38 <sixwheeledbeast> fud, on #maemo. I doubt that.
Jun 12 21:11:08 <sixwheeledbeast> lol, ambition http://www.incidentalcomics.com/2013/01/the-nature-of-ambition.html
Jun 12 21:12:19 <bencoh> aww :)
Jun 12 21:12:45 <bencoh> (does that remind you of nokia story as well ? :>)
Jun 12 21:13:01 <Sicelo> which of the IR remote control applications do you consider best? qt-irreco, pieroggi, etc?
Jun 12 21:20:24 <sixwheeledbeast> pierogi
Jun 12 21:21:33 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm still happy with original irreco
Jun 12 21:22:05 <DocScrutinizer05> it has full customizability
Jun 12 21:22:50 <DocScrutinizer05> get multiple pages of buttons of arbitrary size, label, layout, and macro on each one
Jun 12 21:25:09 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, maybe the libs for predefined devices are not as good by now, compared to dunno pierogi? but then, I defined my own thing anyway
Jun 12 21:28:00 <bencoh> you can define your own keycodes on irreco ?
Jun 12 21:28:37 <DocScrutinizer05> nut N900 IR is quite sub-par to start with, no fun in using it the standard way. So I once did a little fancy and defined a slightly differnet port for lirc network socket: not the localhost one but same port on a second N900 which I placed directly in front of my TV. WLAN via AP from first N900 to second workd in whole flat (obviously) and the distance from IR LED to TV's IR receiver always been constant <50cm ;-D 
Jun 12 21:28:44 <DocScrutinizer05> Worked charmingly fine
Jun 12 21:28:55 <DocScrutinizer05> s/nut/but/.
Jun 12 21:29:45 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: basically you define the keycodes in lirc, and you can assign any (sequence of) keycodes to any key in irreco
Jun 12 21:30:10 <DocScrutinizer05> irreco sends the basic keycode to lirc via network socket
Jun 12 21:30:27 <bencoh> oh
Jun 12 21:31:32 <DocScrutinizer05> irreco had minor problems with sudo and startzing up lirc via initscript iirc, but that was easily solvable
Jun 12 21:38:24 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: http://winlirc.sourceforge.net/technicaldetails.html
Jun 12 21:40:05 <bencoh> winlirc ? :]
Jun 12 21:40:19 <bencoh> but yeah I get the idea
Jun 12 21:43:49 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, main page links to this and says it's the only available, though win
Jun 12 21:44:45 <DocScrutinizer05> lircd is a daemon listening to a network socket and sending IR pulses according to the definition for the keycode it received via network
Jun 12 21:45:35 <kerio> pierogi ftw
Jun 12 21:46:34 <DocScrutinizer05> usually you'll find *some* irreco remote that loads a proper config to lircd. Mind you, there's only a pretty limited number of different codes like RC5, RC6 etc existing for IR controls
Jun 12 21:48:09 <DocScrutinizer05> then you simply try all available keycodes and see what your TV will do for them, then label the button accordingly and place it where you want it to sit in layout
Jun 12 21:48:40 <bencoh> hmm ... kindof
Jun 12 21:49:45 <bencoh> depending on your device/remote you can find exotic keycodes (see some obscure STB with specific IR)
Jun 12 21:50:01 <DocScrutinizer05> well, each code like RC5 has a addr field to distinguish TV from VDR atc. So you will have to find the right one out of max 64
Jun 12 21:51:35 <DocScrutinizer05> once you got the addr bits right (aka you know the addr of your TV), you are almost done since the keycodes have a loosely predefined meaning. Usually Vol+ actually will do volume-up
Jun 12 21:53:38 <DocScrutinizer05> all TV and other appliances of one brand usually use same RC-chipset, so for one LG TV you are mostly fine in irreco with any arbitrary LG remote config file to start with, then just reassign/relable and rearrange the keys
Jun 12 22:03:05 <sixwheeledbeast> This is were IMO pierogi works well, it does the setup work for you.
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