**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 17 02:59:58 2014 Jun 17 07:07:52 DocScrutinizer05, ping Jun 17 11:36:12 live-user: hm? Jun 17 11:50:03 hi DocScrutinizer05 Jun 17 11:50:19 hi to you too Jun 17 11:51:07 DocScrutinizer05, i need some info. can i pm you for a second? Jun 17 11:52:49 is it privacy related, or security relevant? Jun 17 11:53:38 Hi Doc Jun 17 11:53:39 Hi live-user Jun 17 11:53:47 hi Apic Jun 17 11:53:55 DocScrutinizer05, its bootloader related. Jun 17 11:55:27 hi again everyone. Jun 17 11:55:36 can someone tell me how to jtag into n900? Jun 17 11:55:56 i have a project in my mind. and i have searched the net w/o any success. Jun 17 11:56:03 live-user: bootloader is a fine topic to discuss here. There are guys who know more about NOLO and bootloader in general than I do Jun 17 11:56:23 aah Jun 17 11:56:57 i am on a livecd. the actual mails are on the hdd. i had exchanged mails with him long back when my net was horrible/terrible its still same, but better. Jun 17 11:57:15 i asked pali to pass me some info on how can i jtag the n900. Jun 17 11:57:24 JTAG for N900 is a white spot on the map. Nobody did it, it's even unclear if N900 has proper JTAG capabilities - read: if the SoC's JTAG pins are available Jun 17 11:57:24 and he told me he doesnt have a clue. Jun 17 11:57:50 aah Jun 17 11:58:01 how about emmc reading? Jun 17 11:58:21 viz. ripping the emmc and then from there reverse engineering? Jun 17 11:58:24 possible? Jun 17 11:58:44 I got some blank unpopulated PCBs here, so I could find out which jtag pin of SoC maybe goes to which testpad Jun 17 11:59:19 sorry, you lost me on "eMMC reading" Jun 17 11:59:23 that will be excellent, since i got only 1 device. Jun 17 12:00:37 http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1543 something like this. Jun 17 12:01:05 rip the emmc from the board and then put it back on this type of device and try to read/extract data from there Jun 17 12:01:11 i mean something like that. Jun 17 12:02:20 http://gbatemp.net/threads/shadow-lags-wiiu-hacking-and-development-thread.351575/page-2 post no 39 Jun 17 12:02:48 lift it from the main board and then put it on a reader type device and try to extract data Jun 17 12:02:53 when you help me by providing the SoC pin/ball names of the JTAG pins you're interested, then I can try to find out if one of the testpads on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports is routed to that SoC pad on my blank PCB http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/platine_01.jpeg Jun 17 12:03:44 DocScrutinizer05, got it. i already been to these sites and the high res photo. Jun 17 12:03:56 live-user: eMMC reading makes no sense, the whole eMMC is freely accessible on N900/fremantle Jun 17 12:04:13 i will re-read the documents once more, its more than a year since i read it. i need to re-read the document esply the electrical part DocScrutinizer05 Jun 17 12:05:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic and generally http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware will help :-) Jun 17 12:05:58 hmmm Jun 17 12:06:54 yes yes i am speaking of this http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Main_Page http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Booting_chain http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Security http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Cryptography Jun 17 12:07:12 i thought i can apply the same logic and hunt for vulnerability. Jun 17 12:07:38 vulnerability of what? Jun 17 12:08:21 moto phones got a jtag. thats why i thought if i can find/locate the jtag, i can run the same process on n900. Jun 17 12:09:47 to what purpose? N900 is not locked like the typical android phone Jun 17 12:10:22 i thought of porting coreboot Jun 17 12:10:28 and thats why. Jun 17 12:11:42 i may be wrong. but the cpu chipset is omap3430 HS. which has efuse Jun 17 12:11:57 and its signed like every other secondary bootloader Jun 17 12:12:31 http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Cryptography might help me extract the keys and i can write a new bootloader. Jun 17 12:13:34 well, porting a bootloader is a "simple" matter of producing something that really boots the device, and then get the SoC to load and execute it from >>mtd0: 00020000 00020000 "bootloader"<< or alternatively make it chainload from >>mtd3: 00200000 00020000 "kernel"<< Jun 17 12:14:13 primary bootloader? Jun 17 12:14:22 aka x-loader? Jun 17 12:14:40 i am interested in that. Jun 17 12:14:48 not secondary bootloader. Jun 17 12:14:53 live-user: the relative scarcity of OMAP HS vs ES parts means that Nokia had to use them unfortunately. Jun 17 12:15:09 yes, primary and secondary bootloader are both in mtd0 Jun 17 12:15:37 the first few stages of booting is indeed signed, up to Nokia X-Loader Jun 17 12:15:58 actually first step only Jun 17 12:16:05 yes exactly, thats what i am speaking of. the IBL or initial bootloader. Jun 17 12:16:07 NOLO aka "secondary" does not need to be signed though Jun 17 12:16:11 i am planning to work on that. Jun 17 12:16:49 ROMBL is fixed and immutable, it loads xloader from mtd0 and that's the only boot step protected by signature Jun 17 12:16:56 but other than the TI documents i have nothing else and also i dont have the jtag pads/pins that i can employ the same approach. Jun 17 12:17:23 you don't need JTAG to mess with NOLO Jun 17 12:17:43 IIRC on OMAP34xx, whatever key you need would likely be in the CPU ROM, and likely shared across all OMAP34xx chips if you really wanted to replace X-Loader Jun 17 12:17:59 which means, you're looking at decapping. because the N900 doesn't have any known JTAG ports. Jun 17 12:18:39 yes i am trying to do something like that hurrian Jun 17 12:18:57 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83880 Jun 17 12:19:39 so your path from here would either be to pose as $BIG_COMPANY and ask TI nicely for the M-Shield signing tool, or decap an OMAP3. Jun 17 12:20:10 ROMBOOT's crypto key can't get read out from OMAP chip afaik. Not even with JTAG Jun 17 12:20:15 should you want to decap an OMAP3 and don't want to ruin a perfectly good N900, OMAP3530 HS samples are available from TI. Jun 17 12:21:28 freemangordon know a bit more details about all that security stuff Jun 17 12:23:15 but i'm absolutely sure TI and even ARM made sure you can't read out the "public" key from chip. Only the CPU itself has access, and only when it operates in a special mode that protects it from anybody messing with CPU Jun 17 12:24:22 well, that, plus the fact that during secondary (in stock devices, NOLO) onward, unsigned binaries are allowed, and there are no restrictions on calling the Secure Monitor Jun 17 12:24:49 I *guess* the pubkey is fused/flashed to a write-once ROM area of SoC, but it most likely can't get read out from outside the chip Jun 17 12:25:04 hurrian: yep Jun 17 12:25:29 see the thread I linked above. People patched NOLO Jun 17 12:25:45 perfectly feasible, since only x-loader is signed Jun 17 12:26:19 disabling secure mode by the way can be more of a pain than it sounds like - setting SCR might mess with some optimized ARM-Thumb code paths Jun 17 12:26:43 x-loader itself drops HS-mode and thus the device irreversibly enters non-secure operation mode which doesn't enforce any signatures Jun 17 12:27:12 afaik Jun 17 12:27:59 if that was the case, freemangordon wouldn't have to have found the TrustZone control bits to apply the ARM-Thumb errata patch ;) Jun 17 12:28:13 x-loader just doesn't verify signatures, breaking the chain of trust Jun 17 12:28:27 but the chip is very much in HS mode, nothing just takes advantage of it Jun 17 12:28:42 " should you want to decap an OMAP3 and don't want to ruin a perfectly good N900, OMAP3530 HS samples are available from TI." but i have only 1 n900 xD Jun 17 12:29:27 pali was exactly teling me the same things in email. hurrian and DocScrutinizer05 Jun 17 12:29:50 but that time my adsl connection used to be not even remain stable for 5 mins. now its stable. Jun 17 12:30:06 but isnt there any way other than decapping it? Jun 17 12:31:23 http://siliconpr0n.org/wiki/doku.php?id=memory:sram azonenberg from ##electronics was telling me its possible. but i need to sacrifice the whole cpu. Jun 17 12:32:21 live-user: you don't need that pubkey, unless you want to write your own version of xloader. I don't see the use of a proprietary xloader Jun 17 12:32:42 plus, all the hardware bringup you'll need to do to use it... Jun 17 12:32:55 indeed :-D Jun 17 12:33:06 electron microscope and whatnot else Jun 17 12:33:33 hehehe exactly. i gave it a good bye because i dont have the guts nor balls to even play an inch with that. Jun 17 12:33:47 u-boot in secondary would be more feasible, but if you really want to make a dent, play with https://github.com/winocm/kaikidan ;) Jun 17 12:34:17 thats why i thought if i have the jtag i can read the keys http://droid-developers.org/wiki/Cryptography good adventure project Jun 17 12:34:24 perhaps you'll get WinRT running on the N900, raising new heights of panic! Jun 17 12:34:41 live-user: anyway for portig coreboot or whatever, simply forget about all that encryption/signature/keys stuff. Simply replace NOLO by your coreboot and hope you did a proper work creating something that *can* boot up the system Jun 17 12:35:51 (side note: that EDK2 fork does run on BeagleBlack with HDMI output, currently headless on the N900 so you'll need a serial port) Jun 17 12:36:37 EDK? Jun 17 12:36:38 yes DocScrutinizer05 looks like #coreboot folks will be pissed as usual. Jun 17 12:36:46 no idea what's that doing Jun 17 12:36:47 UEFI edk Jun 17 12:37:12 aah, thanks Jun 17 12:38:35 hurrian, lets see how it goes from here. Jun 17 12:38:56 DocScrutinizer05, give me some time i will read the document and will ask you which pin to probe for a few days later. Jun 17 12:39:29 nishant menon told me he cant give me any info other than "yes it possible!" Jun 17 12:39:50 and everything else he said one thing "sorry classified information, cant give you other details" Jun 17 12:41:32 live-user: try porting pali's u-boot to run as secondary, that's how it runs on most OMAP EVMs. Jun 17 12:43:06 live-user: I don't know what for you need to probe any pins Jun 17 12:45:02 live-user: unlike typical android phone you have FULL access to bootloader on N900, and it's not even signed Jun 17 12:45:30 evidence: people already patched NOLO, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83880 Jun 17 12:46:49 probably if it wasn't for the embedded BME (battery charger) bits, Nokia would even have placed NOLO source into public domain Jun 17 12:52:06 i will have to mail pali again. he told me his laptop is broken. i dont know if its fixed. hurrian Jun 17 12:53:20 DocScrutinizer05, i will check all those. i need some time now only my internet is becoming stable i dont know when i will go back to stone age again. Jun 17 13:18:49 Can i set the N900 Watchdog to a more graceful Period? Jun 17 13:19:04 I'm on the 6th or 7th Try to debootstrap and aptitude install Jun 17 13:19:12 Everytime it crashed somewhere Jun 17 13:19:19 And left the ext3 in a fsck'ed up State. Jun 17 13:19:27 So i had to start over with mkfs.ext3 everytime Jun 17 13:21:07 watchdog? Jun 17 13:21:47 can't you 'nice' the debootstrap operation? Jun 17 13:24:09 or do it from another device Jun 17 13:24:13 at least for stage1 Jun 17 13:34:43 I _did_ nice itr Jun 17 13:34:44 -r Jun 17 13:35:02 I'll bootstrap on a VM, good Idea! Jun 17 14:14:29 Apic: fsck on the n900's emmc is a losing battle anyway Jun 17 14:17:50 Ok Jun 17 14:18:05 I meant fucked up Jun 17 14:18:09 I gave up fsck.ext3 too Jun 17 14:18:22 I always start from Scratch Jun 17 14:18:38 Now i'm on a QEMU armel image and do my debootstrap --second-stage Jun 17 14:18:47 Then i'll ftp over the Image Jun 17 14:48:42 Ok, got it Jun 17 14:48:45 Leeching would take >2h Jun 17 14:48:49 Over WLAN Jun 17 14:48:53 Do not have that Time now Jun 17 14:48:56 Needa run Jun 17 14:48:57 cul8rs Jun 17 15:33:50 I have noticed that watchdog on one of my devices is very aggressive, I also wondered if there was something variable. Jun 17 15:33:58 ~seen M4rtinK Jun 17 15:34:01 m4rtink <~M4rtinK@mail.melf.eu> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 45d 3h 19m 7s ago, saying: 'the ultimate IDLE RPG channel'. Jun 17 17:33:21 day 2.. try and get swap on ssd working without rebooting Jun 17 17:33:32 first test speed of ssd card Jun 17 17:33:36 then try another ssd card Jun 17 17:35:41 also wipe card with zeros Jun 17 17:43:58 wizbit: s/ssd/microsd/ ? Jun 17 17:44:15 microSD on N900 Jun 17 17:44:32 there might be bad blocks on it Jun 17 17:44:43 you keep writing ssd, was thinking 2.5" units that dont quite fit in the n900 Jun 17 17:44:43 because my previous phone didnt have this trouble Jun 17 17:44:55 oh microSD i mean Jun 17 17:45:10 im dd'ing it with zeros for first test Jun 17 17:45:12 you could fit a 1.7" :> Jun 17 17:45:22 then ill run badblocks on it Jun 17 17:45:23 (but that's not the point) Jun 17 17:45:31 then ill test speed with hdparm Jun 17 17:45:34 swap on microsd worked just fine on my n900... need to make sure the card is unmounted, fdisk, mkswap, and it just works Jun 17 17:45:46 yeah swap on microsd works fine Jun 17 17:45:48 im using cfdisk Jun 17 17:45:50 just dont open the back cover Jun 17 17:45:50 with it mounted Jun 17 17:46:03 only special thing I did was install debian full swapon, so that it would prioritize microsd swap over internal swap Jun 17 17:46:15 oh interesting Jun 17 17:46:20 is debian full swapon in extras? Jun 17 17:46:27 i believe so Jun 17 17:46:29 ace Jun 17 17:46:31 ill do that too Jun 17 17:46:45 there's a wiki about it somewhere Jun 17 17:47:07 but you need to make sure you unmount all partitions on the microsd card before repartitioning Jun 17 17:47:07 1) wipe with zeros 2) test for bad blocks 3) test speed 4) install debian swapon Jun 17 17:47:16 yep done that already Jun 17 17:47:33 ecc3g: is it ok to partition it with cfdisk whilst its still inside the n900? Jun 17 17:48:11 yes, as long as there are absolutely NO programs using it and it's completely unmounted Jun 17 17:48:18 yep sure Jun 17 17:48:36 wizbit: how are you mounting swap at boot? how are you making the swap partition? Jun 17 17:48:40 regular fdisk will complain with an ioctl error if anything has the card mounted Jun 17 17:48:53 i created a 2GB swap partiton using cfdisk Jun 17 17:48:58 then mkswap Jun 17 17:49:03 on the device? Jun 17 17:49:04 then swapon the partiton Jun 17 17:49:09 then swapoff the internal swap Jun 17 17:49:12 yes Jun 17 17:49:22 it will take a while to swapoff the internal swap... Jun 17 17:49:25 does it crash or what? Jun 17 17:49:40 if i open up a few apps, the phone just reboots Jun 17 17:49:50 internal swap its fine Jun 17 17:49:56 mmm, and how are you mounting the swaps? Jun 17 17:50:02 swap(s) Jun 17 17:50:19 sixwheeledbeast: first i tried using rcS-late editing the swapon bit to mount the microSD partiton Jun 17 17:50:31 intead of swapon -a Jun 17 17:50:31 output of "cat /proc/swaps" when you boot? Jun 17 17:50:49 I wouldn't edit rcs-late Jun 17 17:50:50 ok ill do that once ive finished zero'in gthe microSD with DD Jun 17 17:50:57 reboot is close enough to a crash. I manually swapon my microsd swap, hoping that I don't need to reboot often. Jun 17 17:51:20 i need to make sure this microSD card is functioning properly Jun 17 17:51:24 you should run badblocks on the microsd card :D Jun 17 17:51:25 1) wipe with zeros 2) test for bad blocks 3) test speed 4) install debian swapon Jun 17 17:51:27 I designed flopswap to avoid editing rcs-late. Jun 17 17:51:28 (with write mode) Jun 17 17:51:58 test speed with write mode, sure Jun 17 17:52:01 eat a few months off the life of the card, if it hasn't already died Jun 17 17:52:14 write speed shouldn't matter Jun 17 17:52:25 just means it will take longer to swap Jun 17 17:52:41 ok so it sounds like it has bad blocks Jun 17 17:52:44 what else could it be Jun 17 17:52:45 I also recommended people use a desktop to make there swap space(s). I have had reported issues using mkswap on the device. Jun 17 17:52:51 ~flopswap Jun 17 17:52:52 ohhh Jun 17 17:52:52 i heard flopswap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap Jun 17 17:53:07 ok ill do it on desktop linux box Jun 17 17:53:18 I think I have a 16GB class 10 unit in it, it was brand new when I put it in. Jun 17 17:53:41 is there a newer version of mkswap in extras? Jun 17 17:54:05 dam dont think i have a adapter for microSD card Jun 17 17:54:10 better order one on ebay Jun 17 17:54:31 can you not mount it in mass storage? Jun 17 17:54:45 oh never tried that Jun 17 17:54:48 i got a cable Jun 17 17:54:53 I used gparted Jun 17 17:54:53 good idea!!! Jun 17 17:55:00 can i use fdisk? Jun 17 17:55:07 I think I just used fdisk Jun 17 17:55:35 was a long time ago however... a year or more... Jun 17 17:55:44 its a 32GB UHS-I so it should be fast enough Jun 17 17:57:00 its time to install swapon from extras Jun 17 17:58:25 ~pkg Jun 17 17:58:25 well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Jun 17 17:59:22 is this the one: Jun 17 17:59:23 http://maemo.org/packages/view/swapset/ Jun 17 18:00:30 maybe i should use flopswap! Jun 17 18:01:02 up to you, I would but I am biased :D Jun 17 18:01:06 yes just use flopswap... sounds good Jun 17 18:01:40 You will need to fix anything you played about with in rcs-late Jun 17 18:02:11 2x 800MB swap spaces on your card and your sorted. Jun 17 18:03:28 ace Jun 17 18:03:37 sixwheeledbeast: wouldnt the swap spaces benefit from being larger? Jun 17 18:03:47 yes Jun 17 18:03:51 not *too* much Jun 17 18:04:09 2x 1GB Jun 17 18:04:13 I do have to admit that my n900 seems a bit (not that much) less stable using swap on microsd... Jun 17 18:04:31 my card is a crappy card though Jun 17 18:04:35 noname brand :D Jun 17 18:04:39 cfdisk isn't the problem though (just saying) .. i used cfdisk from device to create my swap partition.. never had any issues Jun 17 18:07:12 wizbit: yes and no Jun 17 18:08:15 normally yes but because flopswap switches between two spaces I don't thing it's worth wasting the space on the card. Jun 17 18:08:29 s/thing/think/ Jun 17 18:08:29 sixwheeledbeast meant: normally yes but because flopswap switches between two spaces I don't think it's worth wasting the space on the card. Jun 17 18:09:58 1GB is fine if you wish. You shouldn't go smaller than stock nor too large. Jun 17 18:28:42 do you guys overclock your n900? Jun 17 18:28:48 is it worth the extra battery drain? Jun 17 18:31:09 [39621.927307] Spurious irq 95: 0xffffffdf, please flush posted write for irq 83 Jun 17 18:31:12 eek wonder what that means Jun 17 18:35:31 wizbit: it's definetely not worth the lifespan reduction Jun 17 18:36:23 its a brand new card :( Jun 17 18:37:48 no overclocking, eats battery, and I have faster computers to do high performance applications. Much faster computers... Jun 17 18:39:54 idk if my server's faster than my laptop Jun 17 18:40:08 oh hell yes it is Jun 17 18:40:52 why the fuck do i have a quad i7 to run a nethack public server Jun 17 18:41:01 i'm not paying for it, but still Jun 17 18:44:34 I don't overclock either, nor would recommend it. Jun 17 18:48:57 i might start looking out for broken n900's see if i can fix them Jun 17 18:49:18 already got a few spare parts Jun 17 18:50:00 depends what's broken. Jun 17 18:50:03 the main damage is scrached screens, case and keyboard Jun 17 18:50:17 i wonder how hard that is to replace Jun 17 19:04:13 sourcing good quality parts maybe the hardest part. Jun 17 19:33:40 sixwheeledbeast: just get those from the broken n900s Jun 17 19:34:48 well, that would be the best way to get used Nokia quality parts I agree. Jun 17 19:37:17 I wonder if I should get another good backup n900 before they become impossible to get... Jun 17 19:47:22 ~omap-oc Jun 17 19:47:23 somebody said omap-oc was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Jun 17 19:47:39 ~oc Jun 17 19:47:39 i heard oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s Jun 17 19:47:49 umm Jun 17 19:47:58 ~overclocking Jun 17 19:47:59 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Jun 17 19:48:22 heh Jun 17 20:01:45 * sixwheeledbeast wonders if cooking in high oleic oil will lower his N900's cholesterol :) Jun 17 20:03:58 sixwheeledbeast: thanks for finally convincing wizbit of flopswap. It already started hurting to watch wizbit trying to get own swap solution working Jun 17 20:04:08 ;-) Jun 17 20:05:29 just plugged my n900 into my linux box Jun 17 20:05:34 2x drives get mounted Jun 17 20:05:47 not mounted - recognized Jun 17 20:05:50 however when i do this: Jun 17 20:06:11 DocScrutinizer05: np Jun 17 20:06:14 cfdisk /dev/sdh Jun 17 20:06:15 FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive Jun 17 20:06:15 :) Jun 17 20:09:46 Bus 002 Device 012: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) Jun 17 20:11:04 I don't think ass rage mode exports physical devices, only logical volumes. So no cfdisk Jun 17 20:11:40 "ass rage mode" :D Jun 17 20:12:04 fdisk doesnt work either Jun 17 20:12:08 partitions are not shown Jun 17 20:12:13 maybe im missing kernel modules Jun 17 20:15:27 Pretty sure I simply plugged uUSB into Desktop, Selected Mass Storage, opened GParted and set everything up. Jun 17 20:17:46 where do you select mass storage> Jun 17 20:17:50 on the n900? Jun 17 20:18:56 hmm :-/ Jun 17 20:20:46 hmmm i think a menu should appear when i plug in device into a machine Jun 17 20:20:51 im missing a package Jun 17 20:24:57 wizbit: seems you have a a couple of other problems very likely... are you saying you don't get any prompt on N900 when you connect it to PC via USB? Jun 17 20:25:01 yes and yes it should Jun 17 20:28:58 Swap: 1953104 122560 1830544 Jun 17 20:29:04 seems to be using the swap ok at the moment Jun 17 20:29:27 nope didnt get a prompt Jun 17 20:29:34 maybe im using incorrect usb cable Jun 17 20:31:04 ill see how it goes Jun 17 20:31:08 maybe the dd zero did something Jun 17 20:31:11 and i also did a Jun 17 20:31:22 mke2fs -c on the swap partiton Jun 17 20:33:06 /dev/mmcblk1p1 partition 1953104 79512 -1 Jun 17 20:33:53 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 17 20:37:52 wizbit: it is generally recommended that your swap partition should not be the first (don't know why) Jun 17 20:39:18 just rebooted after editing rcS-late Jun 17 20:39:21 no problems at the moment Jun 17 20:39:27 it would of restarted by now Jun 17 20:39:31 got about 5 apps opened Jun 17 20:39:41 Swap: 1953104 41536 1911568 Jun 17 20:41:26 It's shouldn't be the first as stock Maemo only recognises FAT partition. Jun 17 20:41:59 "cat /proc/swaps" Jun 17 20:42:23 /dev/mmcblk1p1 partition 1953104 51196 -1 Jun 17 20:42:50 ohhh maybe thats why Jun 17 20:42:55 should i change it to the 2nd partiton? Jun 17 20:44:32 mass storage mode works after a reboot :D Jun 17 20:45:12 excellent Jun 17 20:45:18 Did you follow the "how to partition" guide on the flopswap wiki ;) Jun 17 20:45:49 i will do that once im happy swap works Jun 17 20:54:44 would it be ok partitoning the first partition as ext3? Jun 17 20:54:53 i have CSSU installed Jun 17 20:55:33 CSSU-Testing? Jun 17 20:55:47 no stable Jun 17 20:56:01 otherwise ill just use vfat Jun 17 21:00:45 Err, IIRC stable can only detect FAT on uSD, think pali pushed changes to CSSU-T for ext Jun 17 21:01:07 ill use vfat Jun 17 21:01:11 can use usb drive with that Jun 17 21:01:14 so more benefits Jun 17 21:02:55 stable can also do ext* :) Jun 17 21:04:54 Sicelo: can it, I wasn't sure. I remember getting "Card Unsupported" with a ext3 first partition. Jun 17 21:05:05 maybe this was pr1.3.1 Jun 17 21:06:04 yes, it does. i've have ext3 on my uSD for a long time, and only started using Testing recently Jun 17 21:07:12 yeah it does Jun 17 21:13:03 Sicelo, bencoh: yes, your both correct http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable#21.2011.38-1Smaemo4_.2805.09.2012.29 Jun 17 21:25:48 all sorted im confident its working now Jun 17 21:25:53 first partiton vfat Jun 17 21:25:59 2nd partiton swap Jun 17 21:26:10 checked blocks for error on both parttiions Jun 17 21:26:13 thanks for your help :D Jun 17 21:27:17 i will write all this down incase i lose phone again :D Jun 17 21:41:59 thanks for help people :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 18 02:59:58 2014