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Jun 18 07:13:07 <sixwheeledbeast> mmm "sgx_misr" 
Jun 18 07:13:16 <sixwheeledbeast> bug9150
Jun 18 07:20:37 <sixwheeledbeast> it would appear if [sgx_misr] is stuck at 98% and screen is blank, this is a kernel thread; the only way to recover is reboot?
Jun 18 07:21:15 <freemangordon> bug 9150
Jun 18 07:21:17 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9150 Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU
Jun 18 08:05:51 <sixwheeledbeast> yep that's it
Jun 18 08:06:40 <freemangordon> it is interesting that this bug is triggered almost instantly with 3.x kernels, but the device recovers somehow
Jun 18 08:09:49 <sixwheeledbeast>   946     1 messageb D <  66272 28.1  0.0 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --nofork 
Jun 18 08:09:51 <sixwheeledbeast> mmm
Jun 18 08:10:33 <sixwheeledbeast> oh well rebooted
Jun 18 08:12:06 <sixwheeledbeast> This seems to happen when the CPU is left working over night while screen is locked, happened on two different devices now.
Jun 18 11:59:36 <honestly> has anyone tried shorting the D+ and D- test points under the n900's battery to see if that makes dumb chargers work?
Jun 18 12:28:34 <rcg> honestly, iirc that was discussed quite a few times on tmo
Jun 18 12:29:31 <DocScrutinizer05> it's trivial and doesn't need check to verify
Jun 18 12:30:05 <honestly> any discussion on how to choose resister value?
Jun 18 12:30:32 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody found a sound rationale yet why you would want to short those testpads instead of shorting D+/- in your USB plug
Jun 18 12:30:39 <honestly> ah
Jun 18 12:30:50 <DocScrutinizer05> what resistor?
Jun 18 12:30:52 <honestly> well in my case it would mean not having to bastardize a usb cable
Jun 18 12:31:04 <honestly> the resistor used to bridge D+ and D-
Jun 18 12:31:35 <DocScrutinizer05> in your case it woukd mean you ruin your N900 by shorting D+/- in a way that's possibly breaking the USB datapath permanently
Jun 18 12:31:59 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no such thing like a resistor to *short* something
Jun 18 12:32:38 <Snafu777> If anyone here has a Surfboard SBG6580 modem, I have something that might be of interest to you.
Jun 18 12:34:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ((bastardize a usb cable)) there are USB adatper dongles to do that shorting of D+/-, some even come with a *switch* to short the two lines, FWIW
Jun 18 12:35:01 <DocScrutinizer05> cost: some 3 to 5 bucks
Jun 18 12:55:42 <DocScrutinizer05> damn!
Jun 18 12:55:47 <DocScrutinizer05> bot 
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Jun 18 12:57:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wb
Jun 18 12:57:26 <infobot> It's great to be back!
Jun 18 12:57:46 <FIQ> hi infobot
Jun 18 12:59:31 * Snafu777 smacks infobot
Jun 18 16:11:46 <sixwheeledbeast> a zero ohm resistor would be a "short" ;)
Jun 18 16:59:06 <honestly> I have a lot of 0 ohm resistors in my resistor kit
Jun 18 16:59:54 <honestly> they exist (:
Jun 18 17:05:47 <sixwheeledbeast> I normally keep some handy, they can look better than a link.
Jun 18 17:15:27 <ecc3g> dang.  I need to get some 0 ohm wire.  That works at room temperature.
Jun 18 17:28:18 <wizbit> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27908105
Jun 18 17:28:21 <wizbit> how worrying
Jun 18 17:29:14 <wizbit> i bought my n900 from ebay hong kong :/
Jun 18 17:30:11 <bencoh> erm, actually I thought those n900 from ebay/hongkong were fake
Jun 18 17:30:15 <bencoh> aren't they ?
Jun 18 17:30:58 <Nokiabot> What is that
Jun 18 17:32:23 <wizbit> my n900 seems real enough?
Jun 18 17:32:34 <wizbit> how can i tell if its fake?
Jun 18 17:32:38 <Nokiabot> What is that link
Jun 18 17:32:54 <Sicelo> wizbit: haha. 
Jun 18 17:32:58 <Sicelo> :D
Jun 18 17:33:08 <Sicelo> stop worrying 
Jun 18 17:33:10 <bencoh> wizbit: oh well I guess it isnt then ^^
Jun 18 17:33:47 <bencoh> wizbit: I was referring to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xd7IVCV3Jg and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91761
Jun 18 17:33:59 <Nokiabot> Err
Jun 18 17:34:08 <wizbit> is there a such thing as a fake n900?
Jun 18 17:34:14 <bencoh> seems so
Jun 18 17:34:18 <Sicelo> yes, there are
Jun 18 17:34:19 <DocScrutinizer05> HK N900 are "fake" in that they are sold as "new, unusued" but when you open the device you find lots of debris and dust and evidence of repair work
Jun 18 17:34:20 <bencoh> never bought one, so ...
Jun 18 17:34:40 <wizbit> my device does say 'made in finland on it'
Jun 18 17:34:59 <wizbit> however, it works and feels like the real thing
Jun 18 17:35:23 <DocScrutinizer05> the "real fake N900" are usually dual-SIM, with some 8MB of RAM
Jun 18 17:35:33 <wizbit> aye ok
Jun 18 17:35:45 <wizbit>   Mem:       235252       229988         5264
Jun 18 17:35:52 <bencoh> :)
Jun 18 17:35:55 <Nokiabot> Yep i saw one
Jun 18 17:36:05 <Sicelo> wizbit: obviously a fake N900 won't run Maemo
Jun 18 17:36:10 <wizbit> yep true
Jun 18 17:36:29 <Nokiabot> @Docscr yep i saw many
Jun 18 17:36:59 <dos1> and now everyone will check their amount of ram to ensure that their device is not a fake... :D
Jun 18 17:37:33 <Humpelstilzchen> I have only 8M :(
Jun 18 17:38:07 <Humpelstilzchen> (in the free col)
Jun 18 17:38:11 <FIQ> (19:35:19) (DocScrutinizer05) the "real fake N900" are usually dual-SIM, with some 8MB of RAM
Jun 18 17:38:14 <FIQ> there are fake N900s?
Jun 18 17:38:17 <Nokiabot> Sicelo: it runs propetiery os that comes with the cpu either genric mtk or spd nowadays mstar but you can find as high as 64 mb now with 256 mb rom 
Jun 18 17:38:28 <FIQ> I thought it was too obscure for that, but ok
Jun 18 17:38:37 <Sicelo> ?
Jun 18 17:38:39 <DocScrutinizer05> Humpelstilzchen: as long as it still runs apps from maemo-extras, just don't worry. Chinese copy cats made a miracle device that can run maemo apps in 8MB ;-P
Jun 18 17:39:14 <bencoh> :D
Jun 18 17:39:19 <FIQ> I would be genuinely surprised if chinese market pulled off making a fake N900 with proper (or even modified) maemo on it
Jun 18 17:39:43 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: no, those are usually absolutely genuine NOKLA N900
Jun 18 17:40:09 <FIQ> "usually"
Jun 18 17:40:30 <Nokiabot> Did anyone found any low end device running linux ?
Jun 18 17:40:32 <DocScrutinizer05> well, some are not labebeled "NOKLA"
Jun 18 17:40:46 <Nokiabot> Nokai
Jun 18 17:41:00 <Nokiabot> Samgsang
Jun 18 17:42:43 <Nokiabot> Actually nowadays manufacturers are smart they leave the label area and provide sticker labels :p
Jun 18 18:02:26 <wizbit> where is a cool place to get ringtones?
Jun 18 18:02:37 <wizbit> or can the n900 use a existing mp3 as a ringtone?
Jun 18 18:03:58 <wizbit> also, i tried installing blessN900 but it doesnt work with power kernel installed
Jun 18 18:04:07 <wizbit> does blessN900 really make photos look nicer?
Jun 18 18:05:28 <Sicelo> yes, mp3s work for ringtones, and blessN900 does realy work
Jun 18 18:05:50 <Humpelstilzchen> well if you can't make good photos, software won't help ;)
Jun 18 18:10:59 <wizbit> blessN900 doesnt work with my power kernel :(
Jun 18 18:12:39 <Sicelo> and what power kernel is that?
Jun 18 18:14:53 <wizbit> Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l unknown
Jun 18 18:15:26 <Sicelo> i'm using same kernel, and blessN900 works. just reinstall it (blessN900)
Jun 18 18:15:32 <wizbit> ace
Jun 18 18:17:32 <wizbit> installed, restarted and testing
Jun 18 18:18:45 <wizbit> when i open and close the lense cover it says 'operation failed'
Jun 18 18:19:29 <wizbit> and if i launch bless manually it opens then it closes
Jun 18 18:19:30 <Sicelo> you'll have to close stock camera first
Jun 18 18:19:46 <wizbit> how do you do that
Jun 18 18:20:26 <Humpelstilzchen> reboot helps
Jun 18 18:21:12 <wizbit> i will issue: reboot from terminal
Jun 18 18:22:26 <Sicelo> and check TMO .. i do remember theat there was some kernel problem, but iirc a reinstall generally fixed that..
Jun 18 18:23:17 <wizbit> done a reboot, launched bless, it trys to open then it quits
Jun 18 18:23:45 <wizbit> maybe i need to use a updated version of bless
Jun 18 18:23:49 <wizbit> let me check the version
Jun 18 18:24:11 <Humpelstilzchen> 0.49-4 works for me
Jun 18 18:24:30 <wizbit> im using 0.49-3
Jun 18 18:24:49 <wizbit> i wonder what repro has 0.49-4 on it
Jun 18 18:25:10 <Humpelstilzchen> 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages
Jun 18 18:25:31 <Humpelstilzchen> but -3 -4 indicates only a packaging, not software update
Jun 18 18:26:32 <Sicelo> i also have 0.49-4
Jun 18 18:26:52 <Humpelstilzchen> .o0(too many FIQs)
Jun 18 18:29:56 <wizbit> maybe the packaging makes it work
Jun 18 18:45:38 <wizbit> Sicelo: what repro are you using
Jun 18 18:47:26 <wizbit> i need to use FAM
Jun 18 18:49:52 <Sicelo> FAM is apparently a very bad idea
Jun 18 18:50:11 <Sicelo> just download bless from Ovi .. should still be available
Jun 18 18:53:44 <wizbit> eek ok
Jun 18 19:11:19 <wizbit> i can see the problem now
Jun 18 19:11:35 <wizbit> if i launch blessN900 from terminal it says
Jun 18 19:11:56 <wizbit> Cannot open /dev/video0 no such directory
Jun 18 19:12:04 <wizbit> so maybe the FCAM drivers dont work my kernel
Jun 18 19:20:31 <wizbit> found them in extra devl
Jun 18 19:20:35 <wizbit> devel :D
Jun 18 20:50:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fapman
Jun 18 20:50:37 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
Jun 18 20:53:07 <DocScrutinizer05> with camera drivers it's a known problem that they stay locked to obsolte version when you change kernel. You need to uninstall *all* camera apps that have a dependency to the drivers, then installing the first one a new will pull in the correct drivers for your kernel
Jun 18 20:53:22 <DocScrutinizer05> obsolete*
Jun 18 20:54:43 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a brute force method how to do the driver update without uninstalling all camera apps, but I forgot about the details
Jun 18 20:55:28 <DocScrutinizer05> and probably odds are that you end up with a garbled package database
Jun 18 20:57:55 <DocScrutinizer05> wizbit: ^^^
Jun 18 21:52:47 <sixwheeledbeast> ~hamvsfam
Jun 18 21:52:48 <infobot> from memory, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
Jun 18 23:51:30 <DocScrutinizer05> niiiice :-)
Jun 18 23:55:13 <DocScrutinizer05> while Pali is basically right, he seems to blame the wrong stuff in https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:54:15, evidence: speedyham, courtesy freemangordon.  SIXY times faster than stock HAM
Jun 18 23:55:28 <DocScrutinizer05> SIXTY, or HUNDRED even
Jun 18 23:56:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~speedyham
Jun 18 23:56:19 <infobot> rumour has it, speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb, or in cssu-thumb
Jun 18 23:56:58 <DocScrutinizer05> who needs fapman when there's speedyHAM?
Jun 18 23:57:12 <DocScrutinizer05> kudos, freemangordon
Jun 18 23:57:24 * DocScrutinizer05 bows down deep
Jun 18 23:58:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo hanvsfam
Jun 18 23:58:24 <infobot> there's no such factoid as hanvsfam, DocScrutinizer05
Jun 18 23:58:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo hamvsfam
Jun 18 23:58:30 <infobot> there's no such factoid as hamvsfam, DocScrutinizer05
Jun 18 23:58:36 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf?
Jun 18 23:59:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo hamvsfam
Jun 18 23:59:05 <infobot> there's no such factoid as hamvsfam, DocScrutinizer05
Jun 18 23:59:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hamvsfam
Jun 18 23:59:20 <infobot> well, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
Jun 18 23:59:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo hamvsfam
Jun 18 23:59:30 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as hamvsfam
Jun 18 23:59:36 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Jun 18 23:59:45 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh
Jun 18 23:59:57 * DocScrutinizer05 <<--- stupid
Jun 19 00:00:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo #maemo hamvsfam
Jun 19 00:00:05 <infobot> #maemo hamvsfam -- created by sixwheeledbeast <~paul@cl-1547.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net> at Sun Nov  3 21:56:06 2013 (227 days); last modified at Thu May 29 22:28:37 2014 by sixwheeledbeast!~paul@2a01:348:6:860a:accf:885c:b712:2623; it has been requested 10 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 45s ago.
Jun 19 02:21:20 <robbiethe1st> Wow, cool.
Jun 19 02:21:32 <robbiethe1st> This is the first time I've actually installed BackupMenu from the repos
Jun 19 02:21:50 <robbiethe1st> Like... first time I've used the actual app manager in a /long/ time.
Jun 19 02:22:22 <robbiethe1st> It actually worked nicely! Shiny 'guide' popped up; something I'd completely forgotten about
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