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Jun 21 08:03:20 <sixwheeledbeast> ecc3g: a combination of http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Answer_current_phone_call , espeak and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90398 seems feasible.
Jun 21 10:04:54 <sixwheeledbeast> \o/ zzztop in Extras
Jun 21 10:06:43 <sixwheeledbeast> ~zzztop
Jun 21 10:06:44 <infobot> it has been said that zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop
Jun 21 12:06:45 <sixwheeledbeast> ah so maemo.org does "work" just nobody uses it since migration. 
Jun 21 12:21:36 <DocScrutinizer05> huh? 
Jun 21 12:21:56 <DocScrutinizer05> btw BM in Extras
Jun 21 12:22:35 <DocScrutinizer05> and BM-latest in -testing
Jun 21 12:33:26 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: check out fresh packages on mo
Jun 21 12:33:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ell, no problem with that
Jun 21 12:34:12 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: does the latest version of bm need testing to promote?
Jun 21 12:34:20 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jun 21 12:35:08 <sixwheeledbeast> maybe worth bumping the bm thread on TMO then
Jun 21 12:35:46 <sixwheeledbeast> I am hoping I will get Products" Karma for zzztop to see if that works.
Jun 21 12:40:31 <DocScrutinizer05> >> just nobody uses it since migration<< ???
Jun 21 12:42:23 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: There have been no "Fresh" packages on there for years.
Jun 21 12:43:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ummm, maybe not in extras, since testing stalled and promotion been borked for quite a while
Jun 21 12:44:12 <sixwheeledbeast> InfoZip has been "fresh" and on the packages RSS feed since 2012
Jun 21 12:44:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I think -devel sees new packages every other week
Jun 21 12:45:06 <DocScrutinizer05> btw I don't see BM in "fresh" either
Jun 21 12:45:12 <sixwheeledbeast> I know repository is fine
Jun 21 12:46:59 <DocScrutinizer05> generally speaking update of the website http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ (and firends) been a broken cron job since ages, and since migration I don't think it ever *really* finished but rether aborts eventually due to OOM
Jun 21 12:48:02 <DocScrutinizer05> http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1403354843&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo
Jun 21 12:49:41 <DocScrutinizer05> look e.g. "last 8h"
Jun 21 12:55:37 <kerio> does *anyone* actually use that site
Jun 21 13:05:35 <DocScrutinizer05> eh?
Jun 21 13:05:46 <DocScrutinizer05> define "site"!
Jun 21 13:06:49 <DocScrutinizer05> when you're talking about http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/* - I just tried to understand how it's sorted and how to find anything there, and gave up. Useless
Jun 21 13:08:10 <DocScrutinizer05> actually now zzztop is on rank #1 of "hot" - with ONE download. MUUHAAAHAAAA
Jun 21 13:10:23 <DocScrutinizer05> well, "fresh" isn't sorted by number of downloads anyway, just like "fresh" seems not sorted by date of upload
Jun 21 13:11:29 <erlehmann> lel
Jun 21 13:15:17 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: so m.o/downloads/Maemo5 is suppose to be feed by a cronjob?
Jun 21 13:15:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Jun 21 13:15:32 <sixwheeledbeast> mmm
Jun 21 13:15:40 <DocScrutinizer05> like everything on maemo.org, basically
Jun 21 13:15:53 <DocScrutinizer05> midgard cronjobs
Jun 21 13:16:02 <DocScrutinizer05> @.@
Jun 21 13:17:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and *midgard* actually is... Well I guess there might be roundabout 3 living people on this globe that might grok how our obsolete midgard version works 
Jun 21 13:18:43 <sixwheeledbeast> well I assumed the page was made by the developer, hence "not used"
Jun 21 13:18:47 <DocScrutinizer05> one of them did migration, updated some midgard stuff during that, and this broke a _lot_ of stuff already
Jun 21 13:19:46 <sixwheeledbeast> popular, hot and fresh. With one download, hmm
Jun 21 13:21:36 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, and BM doesn't show up anywhere
Jun 21 13:22:39 <DocScrutinizer05> except of course on package interface: http://maemo.org/packages/view/backupmenu/
Jun 21 13:23:49 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/  .oO(???)
Jun 21 13:24:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, maybe that's only -devel
Jun 21 13:25:07 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: maybe i have seen a stupid thing that could be the problem blocking http://maemo.org/downloads update
Jun 21 13:25:13 <DocScrutinizer05> the URL actually gives it away
Jun 21 13:26:15 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras_free_armel/all/  \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ 
Jun 21 13:26:49 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: shoot
Jun 21 13:27:49 <xes> the update script had hardcoded to point to the home of an user that doesn't exist anymore
Jun 21 13:28:21 <DocScrutinizer05> LOLWUT?!
Jun 21 13:28:56 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds exactly like maemo-midgard, yes
Jun 21 13:32:01 <xes> seems that something has changed...
Jun 21 13:34:24 <sixwheeledbeast> where is the update script?
Jun 21 13:35:25 <sixwheeledbeast> eh, loads of "fresh" item now....
Jun 21 13:36:08 <xes> just gived the same kick-fix also to os2008,os2007...
Jun 21 13:37:19 <sixwheeledbeast> All the "fresh" items have updated. "hot" items are still the same
Jun 21 13:39:48 <DocScrutinizer05> just was about to ask "is there *anything* _not_ of today 13:30?", but... :  http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/Maemo5/25/?org_openpsa_qbpager_latest_products_page=30
Jun 21 13:42:14 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: when you don't go for next council, i dunno who else should or ought
Jun 21 13:42:47 <DocScrutinizer05> and maybe xes as well? - oh, prolly he doesn't like to
Jun 21 13:44:02 <sixwheeledbeast> I have other Maemo things higher on my priority list.
Jun 21 13:44:25 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: EH?
Jun 21 13:44:47 <DocScrutinizer05> council
Jun 21 13:45:28 <xes> these scripts only take care of "fresh" packages make a "diff" of current last package with the archived info of old fresh. "HOT" is another story
Jun 21 13:45:49 <xes> *making
Jun 21 13:45:52 <DocScrutinizer05> hot is BS anyway
Jun 21 13:45:58 <DocScrutinizer05> pretty useless
Jun 21 13:46:05 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe should die
Jun 21 13:48:28 <sixwheeledbeast> well thanks for fixing that xes. At least my RSS feed will show something new this week
Jun 21 13:49:43 <sixwheeledbeast> I agree HOT is a bit pointless, but nice to have other packages sharing the limelight on the page
Jun 21 13:51:54 <xes> ok... enabled again the scheduled update of fresh packages. As soon as there are new packages things shoud start to have more sense 
Jun 21 13:52:33 <xes> (since now everything seems to be new)
Jun 21 13:52:35 <DocScrutinizer05> xes for king!
Jun 21 13:53:17 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod:
Jun 21 14:18:55 <sixwheeledbeast> so now we wait for some more package testers...
Jun 21 15:12:44 <freemangordon> what?!? package update was simply disabled?
Jun 21 15:13:22 <freemangordon> yay!!! it seems to work even
Jun 21 15:27:50 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon: the maemo.org main site
Jun 21 15:27:59 <freemangordon> yeah, I know
Jun 21 15:28:12 <freemangordon> "downloads" section
Jun 21 15:28:17 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod:
Jun 21 17:19:42 <sixwheeledbeast> I think I have just found a bug in the phone application.
Jun 21 17:20:03 <sixwheeledbeast> well another bug
Jun 21 17:21:23 <sixwheeledbeast> it only checks the last 7 digits of the number against your contacts
Jun 21 17:34:45 <freemangordon> I guess that is a feature :)
Jun 21 17:42:09 <bef0rd> I think whatsapp only checks last N digits too, if you have contacts without country code or something like that
Jun 21 17:44:47 <sixwheeledbeast> when you dial "2345543266" but have a contact with "1235543266" it logs as a call to the contact but dials the number you called.
Jun 21 17:45:44 <sixwheeledbeast> This also means recent calls doesn't call the number you originally dialled but the one in your contacts.
Jun 21 17:47:04 <sixwheeledbeast> damn closed parts of Maemo :(
Jun 21 17:47:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen slonopotamus
Jun 21 17:47:35 <infobot> slonopotamus <~slonopota@83.149.8.177> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 680d 1h 28m 32s ago, saying: 'i haven't used skype on n900 30 months ago?'.
Jun 21 17:47:53 <dos1> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libphone-utils.git;a=summary
Jun 21 17:48:14 <dos1> a nice library for matching phone numbers, taking all country/area/whatever codes into consideration
Jun 21 17:48:25 <DocScrutinizer05> for the record: thanks to slono for 
Jun 21 17:48:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xy
Jun 21 17:48:27 <infobot> somebody said xy was The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.
Jun 21 17:48:31 <dos1> implemented per DocScrutinizer05's specs :D
Jun 21 17:48:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, telnum-normalization?
Jun 21 17:49:22 <dos1> yup
Jun 21 17:50:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder if it could convert sip://0049911888888@sipgate.de  to a proper +49-911-888888
Jun 21 17:50:21 <dos1> see sixwheeledbeast's posts above
Jun 21 17:50:21 <DocScrutinizer05> if not, it's crap ;-P
Jun 21 17:50:52 * dos1 boots SHR
Jun 21 17:50:56 <dos1> let's check :P
Jun 21 17:52:19 <xes> hmm...nope
Jun 21 17:53:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess you should be able to define "sip://00" as an alternative to "00" and "+"
Jun 21 17:54:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and @ is no valid number digit, thus should start truncation of controlcodes
Jun 21 17:54:59 <xes> contry codes and area codes are a pain to identify (world wide). While considering just a country seems easy, if you pick south america or some africa zone you'll gain a monster headache
Jun 21 17:55:04 <DocScrutinizer05> just like ";" and "p" and "w"
Jun 21 17:57:24 <DocScrutinizer05> dos1: mind you, my specs demanded for proper perl regex iirc ;-)
Jun 21 18:00:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and an implementation hint: since the regex are user config parameters and thus semi-static, I suggest doing the regex-"compile" at config-store time already, so you can save this part for all later runs of normalize-telnum
Jun 21 18:04:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder if you implemented the trailing "*" for stored numbers, to allow for extensions
Jun 21 18:06:00 <DocScrutinizer05> sored contact: "ACME Corp:  001-555-1234*"; user dials "0015551234042" and contact lookup finds ACME Corp
Jun 21 18:06:11 <DocScrutinizer05> wth?
Jun 21 18:06:29 <DocScrutinizer05> stored* contact:
Jun 21 18:08:27 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly one "*" should allow for a user-configurable maximum of e.g. 3 digits for extension, but multiple "*" are allowed at end of number
Jun 21 18:23:33 <DocScrutinizer05> dos1: in http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libphone-utils.git;a=blob;f=src/lib/phone-utils.c;h=2843c66007280e6100e01eb221de97015502f8dc;hb=781d866bc12eec293007851fe3c300d0f5a301d3#l397 that's a bug, since #389 and #392 already take care
Jun 21 18:28:03 <DocScrutinizer05> incredible, lemme check if i can find *my* version ;-)
Jun 21 18:28:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I think it was sth like a sed oneliner
Jun 21 18:36:43 <DocScrutinizer05> gotit
Jun 21 18:36:53 <DocScrutinizer05> normalize(){
Jun 21 18:36:55 <DocScrutinizer05>  echo "${1}" | sed "s/[wWpP\;\,].*//; s/[ -]//g; s/\([0-9]\)(${NP})\([0-9]\)/\1\2/; s/.*[^0-9+]//; s/^${IP}/\+/; s/^${NP}/\+${CC}/; s/^\([^\+]\)/\+${CC}${AC}\1/"
Jun 21 18:36:56 <DocScrutinizer05> }
Jun 21 18:38:28 <DocScrutinizer05> meh!
Jun 21 18:38:59 <DocScrutinizer05> [wWpP\;\,].*   ->   [wWpP\;\,@].*
Jun 21 18:40:36 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe even [^0-9+\(\) ABCD]
Jun 21 18:40:42 <DocScrutinizer05> .*
Jun 21 18:49:39 <federico3> hi there
Jun 21 18:49:57 <federico3> any bitcoin wallet for maemo that can read QR-codes?
Jun 21 18:51:54 <DocScrutinizer05> err there's qbarcode or whatsitcalled. No idea about bitcoin wallet
Jun 21 18:52:31 <DocScrutinizer05> if there is, you should be able to plug it into qbarcode I guess
Jun 21 18:54:11 <federico3> thank you
Jun 21 19:02:21 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, the above posted sed regex version of normalize is prolly a interim or beta version
Jun 21 19:43:15 <kerio> federico3: i don't see any reason why bitcoin-qt wouldn't work on the n900
Jun 21 19:43:27 <kerio> except for, you know, the stupidly high system requirements
Jun 21 19:52:49 <sixwheeledbeast> mbarcode
Jun 21 19:54:46 <federico3> plus dependencies, integration with the qr-code reader, UI glitches...
Jun 21 20:18:37 <dos1> it would be great if extras-devel would work like debian experimental...
Jun 21 20:19:22 <dos1> so it could be enabled all the time and packages that exist only in this repo could be installed, but it wouldn't upgrade to versions from it unless explicitely requested
Jun 21 20:22:27 <federico3> dos1: like Debian Unstable with package pinning
Jun 21 20:25:15 <dos1> yup
Jun 21 22:37:45 <DocScrutinizer05> wellll
Jun 21 22:37:55 <DocScrutinizer05> blame apt
Jun 21 22:38:18 <DocScrutinizer05> or Nokia, or whomever
Jun 21 22:40:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or use my tiny smart catalogswitcher tool: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs (see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt), and
Jun 21 22:40:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~speedyham
Jun 21 22:40:30 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb, or in cssu-thumb
Jun 21 22:41:08 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise you wouldn't even know which app is from extras-devel and which isn't
Jun 21 22:42:11 <DocScrutinizer05> HAM merges them all into one view (or actually 6 or 8 groups, one of them being "all", among other 'useful' stuff like "games" etc)
Jun 21 22:43:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~speedyham is also 30 times faster than HAM
Jun 21 22:43:26 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Jun 21 22:44:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~speedyham
Jun 21 22:44:24 <infobot> speedyham is probably http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb, or in cssu-thumb, or 30 times faster than HAM
Jun 21 22:46:55 <dos1> nah, apt knows how to do that
Jun 21 22:47:06 <dos1> it works well on debian after all :P
Jun 21 22:47:40 <dos1> I think that would be simply a matter of proper metadata in extras-devel pkgs and pinning configuration
Jun 21 22:48:18 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, I exported the damn 331 contacts of hooker800 to N9, but N9 refused to export "all" to file, so I exported them from N9 to N900 (after lots of messing around with BT pairing) and there finally I got them exported to files and downloaded per USB ass rage, then sent it to GF by mail
Jun 21 22:48:22 <DocScrutinizer05> *real* fun
Jun 21 22:49:17 <DocScrutinizer05> dos1: maemo apt is fubar, it doesn't know to properly handle >= etc
Jun 21 22:57:00 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe that's apt-worker
Jun 21 22:59:38 * DocScrutinizer05 feels nausea after messing almost 2h with hooker800 loseOS and HARM (and Jolla, to no avail at all)
Jun 21 23:00:25 <DocScrutinizer05> losedows
Jun 21 23:03:17 <DocScrutinizer05> really cool how on hooker you can pull the contact to andother BT-paired phone in almost no time, you can (err almost *must*) sync your contacts with damn "cloud" aka losedows live, but there's NO way to sync with a losedows PC not even outlook there
Jun 21 23:08:39 * DocScrutinizer05 feels tempted to check if BT could pull the contacts from a hooker directly to a linux PC
Jun 21 23:08:54 <DocScrutinizer05> obex I guess, eh?
Jun 21 23:10:09 * DocScrutinizer05 watches himself plugging in the BT dongle to the USB hub and cannot believe owm masochism
Jun 21 23:19:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, at least that clearly didn't work, so not much more torture to suffer
Jun 21 23:20:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess I would need a contacts-download-via-BT-obex-app on linux which clearly I wouldn't know of
Jun 22 00:38:58 <xes> notice: i have applied a few fixes to the tasks that should take care of calculating karma points. Please, tomorrow check your karma points to verify if something has changed ( only for active users ;)  )
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