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Jun 30 09:09:05 <zGrr> moin :)
Jun 30 09:53:09 <stevenm> Lo, I'm guessing new apps are not allowed on the nokia/ovi store for the maemo platform - so before they disappear entirely - is there anyway of downloading all the .deb packages in that repo?
Jun 30 09:53:37 <stevenm> i know there was a modified apt-get floating around that could download from it without using the Ovi Store app
Jun 30 10:25:09 <federico3> another broken n900, *sigh*
Jun 30 10:26:18 <erlehmann> federico3 how did you break it?
Jun 30 10:26:29 <federico3> I think it's the microusb connector (again)
Jun 30 10:27:16 <federico3> I'm afraid I'll have to move away from maemo at this time :(
Jun 30 10:27:58 <erlehmann> how can i change font on maemo?
Jun 30 10:28:02 <erlehmann> :3
Jun 30 11:45:24 <kerio> federico3: just buy another one, duh
Jun 30 12:06:00 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 
Jun 30 12:41:55 <federico3> kerio: given that maemo does not seem to be... thriving and there aren't new phones to run it on...
Jun 30 12:42:59 <Snafu777> What do you mean maemo isn't thriving? =)
Jun 30 12:43:07 <stevenm> DocScrutinizer05, do you know of any complete mirrors of the Ovi Store for maemo apps?
Jun 30 12:43:24 <stevenm> I've stumbled on maybe a couple using google - not sure if they're complete though
Jun 30 12:50:18 <DocScrutinizer05> stevenm: sorry, no idea. 
Jun 30 12:50:29 <stevenm> http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/
Jun 30 12:50:37 <stevenm> this seems complete - but i don't think it has any paid apps
Jun 30 12:51:26 <bencoh> it doesnt, I didnt bother mirroring ovi stuff
Jun 30 12:52:10 <bencoh> (it's huge and, well, non-free/proprietary stuff, which I'm not interested in)
Jun 30 12:53:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ack
Jun 30 12:55:16 <DocScrutinizer05> a pity that so many packages never got transferred into the (at lest non-free) maemo-extras repos, thus officially making them available instead of simply abandoning them
Jun 30 12:55:30 <DocScrutinizer05> at least*
Jun 30 12:55:57 <stevenm> i'd just like a backup of the free ones I used to install from ovi and the angry birds levels i paid for :S
Jun 30 12:56:21 <bencoh> stevenm: free as in "free food" ?
Jun 30 12:56:28 <stevenm> as in beer
Jun 30 12:56:43 <stevenm> since Jan 2014 no maemo/meego/symbian app can be updated or added anyway - so its not like what I'm backing up from will change
Jun 30 12:56:57 <stevenm> added/updated to the nokia/ovi store i mean
Jun 30 12:57:24 <bencoh> oh well, then you only need to run apt-mirror on ovi repository
Jun 30 12:57:46 <stevenm> and just download through it?
Jun 30 12:57:56 <stevenm> yeah that's one way
Jun 30 12:58:06 <bencoh> yup
Jun 30 12:58:21 <zGrr> Does any of you have Jolla or or Sailfish on Nokia? 
Jun 30 12:58:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think ovi repo still working
Jun 30 12:58:52 <stevenm> DocScrutinizer05, maemo apps are still listed on the store.nokia.com site
Jun 30 12:59:03 <DocScrutinizer05> stevenm: wow
Jun 30 12:59:13 <stevenm> the repo *looks* to still be there - although i get auth denied accessing via http
Jun 30 12:59:21 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: hmm I think it does since it started downloading from there before I removed it from my apt-mirror conf
Jun 30 12:59:28 <bencoh> stevenm: basic http auth
Jun 30 12:59:46 <stevenm> it's freaky because the freeware "YouTube Uploader" app that nokia made for the n900/maemo  -  the vendor in the store now lists it as Microsoft Mobile
Jun 30 13:00:14 <stevenm> so "Microsoft Mobile" made a "YouTube Updater" for a Google service for a GNU/Linux handheld years before they even bought Nokia lol
Jun 30 13:00:42 <stevenm> set your phone to N900 and browse to... http://store.ovi.com/publisher/Microsoft%20Mobile/
Jun 30 13:01:37 <bencoh> :/
Jun 30 13:03:40 <federico3> good question zGrr - I wonder how's Sailfish doing
Jun 30 13:05:50 <zGrr> I have no idea. It might be worth to upgrade aging N9 to Sailfish.
Jun 30 13:06:04 <zGrr> There is no N9 CSSU is there?
Jun 30 13:56:52 <chem|st> zGrr: nope, wanna start it?
Jun 30 14:08:19 <zGrr> chem|st: not at the moment :(
Jun 30 17:55:20 <Snafu777> So easy-deb-chroot, I noticed it has an X server.  I'm assuming I could ssh and run X via SSH eh?
Jun 30 18:03:00 <Sicelo> hmm, you can also do that with maemo itself
Jun 30 18:03:09 <Sicelo> unless i don't understand u well
Jun 30 18:14:11 <Sicelo> Snafu777: actually the 'real' xserver used by easy-deb is the maemo one ;)
Jun 30 18:36:29 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: I was away for a couple of days, what about ECI and KP?
Jun 30 18:51:38 <Snafu777> Sicelo: What I am looking to do is SSH into my n900, and then using X11 forwarding via SSH I want the LXDE desktop to appear on my laptop screen
Jun 30 18:51:49 <Snafu777> Doable?, I'm playing with it right now, trying anyways
Jun 30 18:53:32 <freemangordon> Snafu777: start second X server on your laptop, export DISPLAY=x.x.x.x:1, start lxde session
Jun 30 18:53:54 <freemangordon> that worked for me last time I tried it
Jun 30 18:54:48 <Snafu777> freemangordon: Cool, i will try that here momentarily =)  
Jun 30 18:55:31 <freemangordon> Snafu777: the part "export DISPLAY=x.x.x.x:1, start lxde session" should be done on n900, in chroot terminal :)
Jun 30 18:57:42 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: I analyzed what N900 HW has for ECI support, wrote a oneliner spec how to (PHY layer) talk ECI, and spotted the Nitdroid source that seems to already provide a kernel module for ECI
Jun 30 18:58:44 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: afaik stock omap1 kernel as well KP already have support, maybe I can't get your idea
Jun 30 19:00:52 <DocScrutinizer05> support for ECI?
Jun 30 19:01:08 <DocScrutinizer05> no ECI in N900
Jun 30 19:01:17 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo
Jun 30 19:01:31 <freemangordon> oh, mayvbe there is no support in the userland
Jun 30 19:01:44 <freemangordon> but I think there is support in the kernel
Jun 30 19:01:44 <DocScrutinizer05> no, there's no /dev node
Jun 30 19:01:54 <freemangordon> it is in /sys/ afaik
Jun 30 19:01:59 <DocScrutinizer05> or sys
Jun 30 19:02:32 <DocScrutinizer05> please switch to #neo900
Jun 30 19:27:21 <Snafu777> Hmm
Jun 30 19:27:26 <Snafu777> freemangordon: No dice
Jun 30 19:27:35 <Snafu777> Xlib: connection to "10.134.52.10:0.0" refused by server
Jun 30 19:27:35 <Snafu777> Xlib: No protocol specified
Jun 30 19:28:28 <Snafu777> I've got xming up and running on :0.0 on my windows box
Jun 30 19:28:39 <Snafu777> I enabled x11 forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
Jun 30 19:29:32 <freemangordon> Snafu777: you need to start terminal on your x.x.x.x:1 X and do " xhost $IP_OF_N900"
Jun 30 19:30:26 <Snafu777> So the fact that the binary xhost doesn't exist on the n900 is not a factor?
Jun 30 19:30:39 <freemangordon> you need to do that on the sever side
Jun 30 19:30:50 <freemangordon> to allow connections from n900 "client"
Jun 30 19:31:18 <Snafu777> Ok let me ask a stupid question
Jun 30 19:31:26 <Snafu777> I changed the window to :1.0
Jun 30 19:31:35 <Snafu777> Nokia-N900:~# export DISPLAY=10.134.52.10:1
Jun 30 19:31:35 <Snafu777> Nokia-N900:~# opera
Jun 30 19:31:35 <freemangordon> for example "DISPLAY=:1 xterm"
Jun 30 19:31:36 <Snafu777> Xlib: connection to "10.134.52.10:1.0" refused by server
Jun 30 19:32:08 <freemangordon> yes, that is why you need to "authorize" n900's IP on your laptop
Jun 30 19:32:23 <freemangordon> by using xhost on laptop
Jun 30 19:32:39 <Snafu777> Ok, so there we go, I'm rocking a windows 7 box and i installed xming
Jun 30 19:32:49 <Snafu777> I definately don't have xhost installed, unless xming has that capability
Jun 30 19:33:05 <freemangordon> then tell xming to accept connections from everywhere
Jun 30 19:33:18 <Snafu777> 0.0.0.0
Jun 30 19:33:21 <Snafu777> right?
Jun 30 19:34:15 <Snafu777> Hmm, I'm thinking symantec is to blame now....
Jun 30 19:34:46 <freemangordon> Snafu777: C:\Program Files\xming\X0.hosts
Jun 30 19:35:00 <freemangordon> add IP of N900 there
Jun 30 19:36:10 <Snafu777> k, working on it, stupid permissions, and no sudo, stupid windows =>
Jun 30 19:36:51 <freemangordon> Some time ago I did a similar thing, but I used cygwin, which apparently has xhost :)
Jun 30 19:37:03 <Snafu777> yeah, i have cygwin, ssh just isnt installed
Jun 30 19:37:10 <freemangordon> you don;t need ssh
Jun 30 19:37:11 <Snafu777> and i tether, so downloading ssh client would be a pain
Jun 30 19:37:13 <Snafu777> i know
Jun 30 19:37:18 <freemangordon> this is plain X
Jun 30 19:37:31 <Snafu777> im just stating that yes I too have cygwin, and i wish i had ssh on it instead of going through putty in addition to xming
Jun 30 19:37:38 <freemangordon> also, make sure port 600n is opened, where n is your X display number
Jun 30 19:37:53 <Snafu777> firewall right?
Jun 30 19:38:01 <freemangordon> yeah
Jun 30 19:38:05 <Snafu777> haha, no control on that
Jun 30 19:38:09 <Snafu777> here's hoping they don't care
Jun 30 19:38:14 <Snafu777> I can play with my linux box at home tonight
Jun 30 19:38:21 <Snafu777> this was just an experiment to see if i could do it
Jun 30 19:38:30 <freemangordon> you may try with reverse ssh tunnel ;)
Jun 30 19:38:41 <Snafu777> yeah, i'm going to
Jun 30 19:38:51 <Snafu777> im familiar with that, just never with xming on windows
Jun 30 19:38:59 <freemangordon> just use cygwin
Jun 30 19:39:24 <freemangordon> edit startx.bat to to start xterm
Jun 30 19:39:49 <freemangordon> then do "xhost ..." and you're good to go
Jun 30 19:40:06 <freemangordon> don't start window manager
Jun 30 19:40:16 <Snafu777> yeah, too much trouble for windows right now.  I'll nail it with linux, make sure it works and i understand the concept, THEN i will work on porting to windows =)
Jun 30 19:40:31 <freemangordon> makes sense
Jun 30 19:40:50 <Snafu777> I'm pretty sure symantec is in the way, and without a way to verify, im wasting time and breath
Jun 30 19:41:54 <freemangordon> yeah, if you can't open port 6000, there is no point in trying
Jun 30 19:42:37 <Snafu777> yep, thank u for the help though
Jun 30 19:42:41 <Snafu777> I've logged the notes for use tonight
Jun 30 19:43:09 <Snafu777> I just figure instead of pure shell on ssh, using the lxde via debian chroot will make for a cool concept for my little pocket computer
Jun 30 19:49:46 <Snafu777> Finish Him!: http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20140630-102713-5262
Jun 30 19:53:21 <Sicelo> gawd!
Jun 30 20:28:23 <DocScrutinizer05> man bites dog, err...
Jun 30 20:32:18 <bencoh> oO
Jun 30 20:54:55 <b1101> what's the best pdf reader on n900. Evince ?
Jun 30 20:56:22 <Sicelo> i use both. Evince seems slow when the pdf contains lots of pictures (seems to want to load as many into RAM or sth. like that)
Jun 30 21:45:52 <DocScrutinizer51> am I right that we got 7 candidates for council?
Jun 30 21:46:46 <DocScrutinizer51> communology is a surprising science
Jun 30 21:48:36 <DocScrutinizer51> ooh, if somebody feels like running for councilor, you got a few more minutes to post your self-nomination to maemo-community ML
Jun 30 21:48:49 <DocScrutinizer51> iirc
Jun 30 21:50:20 <DocScrutinizer51> and if not, then leaving council had to decide how to go on, and that would result in "you got a few more minutes" anyway
Jun 30 21:50:57 <rZr> /exec date -u
Jun 30 21:51:36 <rZr> DocScrutinizer05, I should have wait last minute
Jun 30 21:51:51 <DocScrutinizer51> so if you feel like running for council since you have something to give, don"t be shy
Jun 30 21:52:18 <rZr> i already accepted my nomination
Jun 30 21:52:23 <DocScrutinizer51> rZr: I think you're a great candidate
Jun 30 21:52:29 <rZr> since we were out of applicants
Jun 30 21:52:48 <rZr> DocScrutinizer05, thx .. but I am unsure I will be as involved as I was
Jun 30 21:53:16 <DocScrutinizer51> you definitely have the needed dedication
Jun 30 21:53:39 <rZr> we'll see
Jun 30 21:54:19 <DocScrutinizer51> you cant perform worse than me or even chemist during rcent term
Jun 30 21:54:36 <rZr> you're still on irc :)
Jun 30 21:54:57 <DocScrutinizer51> I always been
Jun 30 21:55:06 <rZr> the gitorious migration is a task for next council right ?
Jun 30 21:56:49 <DocScrutinizer51> if next council wants to pick up that task, then prolly yes
Jun 30 21:56:49 <DocScrutinizer51> I dunno how much migration is needed
Jun 30 21:57:21 <DocScrutinizer51> are you talking bout maemo.gitorious.org?
Jun 30 21:57:39 <rZr> yes
Jun 30 21:57:54 <rZr> probably meego will follow too
Jun 30 21:58:53 <DocScrutinizer51> will simply migrate from maemo.gitorious.org to gitorius.org/maemo
Jun 30 21:59:35 <rZr> ok not that hard
Jun 30 21:59:53 <rZr> we also backuped garage once to gitorious 
Jun 30 22:00:12 <DocScrutinizer51> no more theming and skins, but then who needs that?
Jun 30 22:01:28 <DocScrutinizer51> xes recently mirrored all gitorious sruff marmo related to our own servers
Jun 30 22:02:14 <DocScrutinizer51> so no worries about gitorious aiui
Jun 30 22:04:00 <DocScrutinizer51> next council's main duty will be to stay alive and in control while HiFo (our cashier) will transform into a german e.V
Jun 30 22:05:27 <DocScrutinizer51> ~dong
Jun 30 22:05:27 <infobot> ding
Jun 30 22:08:45 <DocScrutinizer51> plus there's still a huge heap of junk in maemo infra, karma borked, all sorts of cronjobs disabled and dysfunct if enabled. Next council needs to think about *what* to do regarding that, while techstaff might take responsibility on the *how*
Jun 30 22:10:38 <DocScrutinizer51> generally we're terribly short of manpower in techstaff, will need sustained efforts of council to recruit more maintainers
Jun 30 22:14:07 <Humpelstilzchen> is the maemo infrastructure that complicated?
Jun 30 22:15:43 <DocScrutinizer51> oh yes!
Jun 30 22:16:31 <DocScrutinizer51> we have around a dozen VMs
Jun 30 22:17:31 <DocScrutinizer51> and currently for example NO maintainer or simply mod for the MLs
Jun 30 22:18:00 <DocScrutinizer51> xes recovered the password a few days ago
Jun 30 22:18:05 <Humpelstilzchen> lol
Jun 30 22:18:10 <bencoh> :]
Jun 30 22:18:28 <bencoh> well at least it's still up&running
Jun 30 22:18:49 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah, all silently bitrotting
Jun 30 22:18:54 <bencoh> I guess we have specific stuff and home-crafted scripts there ?
Jun 30 22:18:56 <bencoh> aww :(
Jun 30 22:19:05 <DocScrutinizer51> yup
Jun 30 22:19:26 <DocScrutinizer51> lots of customizations
Jun 30 22:19:38 <Humpelstilzchen> why was the password lost? Did someone forget it or was it stored at nokia hq?
Jun 30 22:19:48 <bencoh> even for the buildbot ?
Jun 30 22:19:51 <DocScrutinizer51> in wiki, auth, karma, whatnot
Jun 30 22:20:22 <Humpelstilzchen> are the mods even necessary
Jun 30 22:20:32 <DocScrutinizer51> that been xfade (iirc) who gone pooof a 2 yers ago
Jun 30 22:20:38 <Humpelstilzchen> I personally never cared about something like karma
Jun 30 22:20:44 <rZr> do you use obs ?
Jun 30 22:20:51 <DocScrutinizer51> nope
Jun 30 22:21:05 <rZr> ok that was at bottom of todo list ? :)
Jun 30 22:21:20 <DocScrutinizer51> cauldron and midgard
Jun 30 22:21:29 <bencoh> ohmyplease no obs :D
Jun 30 22:21:41 <rZr> bencoh, then dont vote for me :)
Jun 30 22:21:48 <DocScrutinizer51> midgard-ONE
Jun 30 22:22:25 <DocScrutinizer51> "d not even nemein, inventor of midgard, dared to migrate to midgard2
Jun 30 22:22:52 <DocScrutinizer51> abd*
Jun 30 22:22:55 <DocScrutinizer51> meh
Jun 30 22:22:59 <DocScrutinizer51> and*
Jun 30 22:23:37 <DocScrutinizer51> (dare) thabks to all the customized stuff
Jun 30 22:29:55 <bencoh> rZr: ohwell I'm no one to tell since I'm not helping :)
Jun 30 22:52:16 <Sicelo> freemangordon: hope you remeber the x-server & easy-deb thing you were discussing with Snafu777. I' have tried 'everything' on my debian pc .. no luck. i'm on a lan, no ports closed at all. 
Jun 30 22:53:30 <Sicelo> in EasyDeb chroot, all i get is "No protocol specified. error: can't open display: 192.168.1.100:1"
Jun 30 22:54:54 <DocScrutinizer05> btw I'm definitely not capableto find the most recent timetable/schedule for the elections. I end somewhere at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_May_2014#Election_timetable
Jun 30 22:58:48 * DocScrutinizer05 hands out pitchforks and base clubs
Jun 30 22:59:17 <DocScrutinizer05> *please* beat me, I must have a mental defect
Jun 30 23:01:08 <honestly> DocScrutinizer05: for still volunteering as a steward to the maemo community?
Jun 30 23:01:15 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Jun 30 23:01:23 <honestly> definitely a mental defect.
Jun 30 23:01:24 * DocScrutinizer05 <-- jackass
Jun 30 23:02:15 <DocScrutinizer05> stupid ^^^ up there
Jun 30 23:03:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I still hope for schedule declaring me late and ruling out
Jun 30 23:03:45 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe I will even lose the elections, with some 7 competitors
Jun 30 23:04:01 <honestly> you can always claim you're temporarily insane today because germany won the match versus algeria
Jun 30 23:04:17 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, I dunno who would vote for me, when I declare I have <30min per week for council
Jun 30 23:04:35 <DocScrutinizer05> that must have been it, right ;-.D
Jun 30 23:05:05 <DocScrutinizer05> rZr tricked me into volunteering ;-P
Jun 30 23:06:43 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh, and I forgot: I got commercial interest in maemo. Maybe that disqualifies me?? pleeeease!
Jun 30 23:08:37 <honestly> you're planning to get rich with neo900? ^^
Jun 30 23:10:05 <DocScrutinizer05> suuuure
Jun 30 23:10:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sell millions of devices and become a billionaire
Jun 30 23:10:41 <DocScrutinizer05> we already have >100 preorders ;-)
Jun 30 23:10:45 <honestly> just make it fully android compatible >_>
Jun 30 23:10:59 <honestly> I would preorder in a second if I could justify the expense :F
Jun 30 23:11:00 <DocScrutinizer05> huh? it is!
Jun 30 23:11:09 <honestly> really?
Jun 30 23:11:19 <honestly> all of the hardware?
Jun 30 23:11:24 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, why would it be incompatible to android??
Jun 30 23:11:46 <DocScrutinizer05> we're even considering to ship it with replicant
Jun 30 23:11:55 <honestly> well, the n900 isn't really android-compatible
Jun 30 23:12:04 <DocScrutinizer05> errr?
Jun 30 23:12:18 <DocScrutinizer05> too many buttons?
Jun 30 23:12:26 <honestly> I thought that would transfer to the neo900 :D
Jun 30 23:12:32 <DocScrutinizer05> too little tivoization?
Jun 30 23:13:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, sorry, N900 !   rrrright, that's a bit of a problem maybe, because N900 doesn't know multitouch
Jun 30 23:13:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900, on the other hand....
Jun 30 23:13:52 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Jun 30 23:14:02 <honestly> I thought not all the drivers and firmware works with android
Jun 30 23:14:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ummm, I honestly dunno
Jun 30 23:14:26 <honestly> I played around with android on my n900 a little bit
Jun 30 23:14:30 <honestly> didn't get very far
Jun 30 23:14:45 <DocScrutinizer05> never touched android - literally (when my GF's phone doesn't count)
Jun 30 23:15:30 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.replicant.us/2014/06/replicant-4-2-on-the-goldelico-gta04/
Jun 30 23:15:53 <DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org/#news µBlog
Jun 30 23:16:27 <DocScrutinizer05> actually https://www.replicant.us/2014/06/replicant-4-2-on-the-goldelico-gta04/comment-page-1/#comment-1948791
Jun 30 23:16:29 <honestly> I have a samsung galaxy S2 that I just carry everywhere in my backpack
Jun 30 23:16:31 <honestly> I never use it
Jun 30 23:16:46 <honestly> it's for a university project and I'm the person assigned to making sure it doesn't get lost or stolen ^^
Jun 30 23:16:58 <DocScrutinizer05> oh my
Jun 30 23:17:05 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Jun 30 23:17:53 <honestly> neo900 is based on gta04?
Jun 30 23:18:40 <DocScrutinizer05> err, it's a synthesis, a chimera
Jun 30 23:19:08 <DocScrutinizer05> of GTA04, N900, and the ancestors of both: beagleboard and TI Zoom-II
Jun 30 23:19:33 <honestly> hehe
Jun 30 23:19:51 <honestly> cool (:
Jun 30 23:25:59 * honestly notes down goldelico as a place to apply to once I'm done with my degree
Jun 30 23:35:56 <xes> chem|st: since a few days i can see a slow down of talk.maemo.org pages since the page loading hangs waiting pixel.quantserve.com scripts. Could you make a check?
Jun 30 23:39:58 <chem|st> xes: again? darn plugins 500 people request and noone ever uses, guess that is also part of tapatalk... will have a look 2morrow
Jun 30 23:40:50 <xes> chem|st: thanks
Jun 30 23:41:14 <chem|st> xes: I need to upgrade the forums the next days, when is a good time to catch you for snapshotting?
Jun 30 23:42:01 <chem|st> I'd like to do it more or less live, only a few minutes downtime on the frontend if possible
Jun 30 23:42:34 <xes> do you need a snapshot of the complete vm?
Jun 30 23:43:21 <xes> is this 
Jun 30 23:43:39 <xes> a critical update?
Jun 30 23:46:31 <xes> anyway, complete vm snapshot something more than just a few minutes
Jun 30 23:46:53 <xes> *requires
Jun 30 23:48:22 <chem|st> xes: it is not that huge, is it? few minutes might be >15
Jun 30 23:49:54 <chem|st> if nobody applied the security patches I uploaded then there is security patches and more security patches and an update
Jun 30 23:51:02 <chem|st> I guess as we have all things backed up a quick db backup triggered should be enough (can I trigger that from the backend myself? never checked, warfare's domain right?)
Jun 30 23:51:38 <chem|st> snapshot would just save alot of time if something goes south
Jun 30 23:52:03 <chem|st> gtg to bed, read you 2morrow
Jun 30 23:52:09 <xes> vm is not so big, probably a complete snapshot would require ~10 minutes. 
Jun 30 23:52:29 <chem|st> thats fine
Jun 30 23:52:36 <chem|st> bbb
Jun 30 23:52:54 <xes> good night
Jul 01 00:37:09 <Win7Mac> community awesomeness... we have some 6~8 nominees :O :)
Jul 01 00:39:03 <Win7Mac> is it somewhere written in stone that nominations have to be posted to community mailing list?
Jul 01 00:39:54 <Win7Mac> candidacy rather...
Jul 01 00:52:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jul 01 00:53:28 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
Jul 01 00:54:30 <Win7Mac> afaik, that is the case, but where is it written... ?
Jul 01 00:54:47 <DocScrutinizer05> when somewhere then in election rules on wiki
Jul 01 00:55:08 <DocScrutinizer05> what's not there doesn't exist :-)
Jul 01 00:55:22 <Win7Mac> then nope...
Jul 01 00:55:29 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/El
Jul 01 00:55:37 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process  oops
Jul 01 00:55:56 <Win7Mac> ...doesn't say so...
Jul 01 01:03:27 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod: weird. Maybe it been a legacy rule every council chair put into election announcement in the past? I dunno
Jul 01 01:04:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I would have bet a considerable asset that there been a rule that nominations *must* be done on community-ML
Jul 01 01:04:59 <DocScrutinizer05> since we had cases where candidates almost or even actually missed on that, and it got resolved by accepting infra downtime on ML as excuse
Jul 01 01:05:21 <Win7Mac> hmm...
Jul 01 01:05:47 <DocScrutinizer05> whatever, we're past extended nomination now, so we're free to do "whatever we like2
Jul 01 01:07:43 <DocScrutinizer05> [2014-06-30 Mon 23:50:20] <DocScrutinizer51> and if not, then leaving council had to decide how to go on, and that would result in "you got a few more minutes" anyway
Jul 01 01:07:46 <Win7Mac> not really, there are... wait... 8 fully valid candidancies...
Jul 01 01:08:21 <DocScrutinizer05> and if there were not, then... yeah, when one of them missed to announce on ML in time...
Jul 01 01:08:36 <DocScrutinizer05> but seems we got no binding such rule
Jul 01 01:09:01 <Win7Mac> so dirkvl is out? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1431484#post1431484
Jul 01 01:09:28 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I'm busy. Up to the other two of council to evaluate validity of candidates
Jul 01 01:11:10 <Win7Mac> aha...
Jul 01 01:21:23 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that's in line with the 2h/week I announced to be available for council work in this term
Jul 01 01:21:51 <DocScrutinizer05> and in the end that's agenuine duty of council chair
Jul 01 01:22:04 <Win7Mac> aha
Jul 01 01:22:15 <DocScrutinizer05> elaborate please
Jul 01 01:22:26 <Win7Mac> and you seriously want to rerun?
Jul 01 01:22:39 <DocScrutinizer05> no, I seriously don't *want*
Jul 01 01:23:00 <Win7Mac> but you self-nominated...
Jul 01 01:23:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I however honestly announce what you get when you vote for me
Jul 01 01:23:28 <Win7Mac> and that is...
Jul 01 01:23:33 <DocScrutinizer05> then it's up to the electorate, don't you think so?
Jul 01 01:24:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and _not_ up to you to judge 
Jul 01 01:25:50 <Win7Mac> i do my best, watch and didn't judge so far
Jul 01 01:27:02 <Win7Mac> but since you're at it, what do I get when I vote for you?
Jul 01 01:27:20 <DocScrutinizer05> headache
Jul 01 01:27:27 <Win7Mac> true ;)
Jul 01 01:28:03 <DocScrutinizer05> this been a diagnosis particularly and specifically for you
Jul 01 01:29:29 <DocScrutinizer05> I can even explain: it's just i like to share with the donor when I get a gift. wheter that's a cake, a bottle of vodka, or headache
Jul 01 01:30:38 <Win7Mac> thought so, and all the others, when they vote for you, they get what?
Jul 01 01:30:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ask them
Jul 01 01:31:17 <Win7Mac> maybe two coucils again?
Jul 01 01:31:57 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe one of yourfingers up their rear?
Jul 01 01:33:16 <Win7Mac> or your barefacedness up your arse?
Jul 01 01:33:30 <Win7Mac> bye
Jul 01 01:33:35 <DocScrutinizer05> or another 5h of bullshit talk?
Jul 01 01:33:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh good, he left
Jul 01 01:46:38 <Win7Mac> for further details please continue reading here: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2014-06-12.log.html#t2014-06-12T21:21:19
Jul 01 02:09:16 <DocScrutinizer05> God, this guy must really hate me. Anyway his problem
Jul 01 02:09:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not his employee
Jul 01 02:11:54 <DocScrutinizer05> he's free to vote whomever he likes, for council, right?
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