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Jul 02 08:09:15 <zGrr> moin :)
Jul 02 13:26:38 <Snafu777> Happy Early Independence Day America: americathemovie.com
Jul 02 15:22:41 <Sicelo> Snafu777: ping
Jul 02 15:25:45 <Snafu777> Hi
Jul 02 15:25:57 * Snafu777 likes a good pinging
Jul 02 15:26:07 <Snafu777> It's like flogging but cleaner
Jul 02 15:26:27 <Sicelo> hehe
Jul 02 15:26:32 <Snafu777> So whats up
Jul 02 15:26:58 <Sicelo> just wanted to find out if you pursued the easy-deb & x over network thing you tried about 2 days ago..
Jul 02 15:27:03 <Snafu777> Ah
Jul 02 15:27:09 <Sicelo> :D
Jul 02 15:27:20 <Snafu777> I tried over windows, but had issues with two things: My lack of knowledge -and- I believe firewall issues
Jul 02 15:27:28 <Snafu777> So, I want to try in linux, but haven't had the time yet
Jul 02 15:27:40 <Sicelo> i'm on linux. not working either. and definitely no firewall :(
Jul 02 15:27:45 <Snafu777> Ah
Jul 02 15:27:53 <Snafu777> And yer familiar with ssh -X type things?
Jul 02 15:28:02 <Snafu777> X11 forwarding I should say rather
Jul 02 15:28:18 * Snafu777 has forwarded over X once before
Jul 02 15:28:23 <Sicelo> yes. i wanted to try without ssh  however
Jul 02 15:28:27 <Snafu777> I did it just to try it out and understand the concept
Jul 02 15:28:35 <Snafu777> See without SSH, just go VNC
Jul 02 15:28:40 <Snafu777> but it will be god awful on the rendering
Jul 02 15:28:46 <Snafu777> I figure ssh x11 forwarding would be smoothr
Jul 02 15:28:51 <Snafu777> And "more" secure
Jul 02 15:28:53 <Sicelo> i have never liked vnc :P
Jul 02 15:29:31 <Sicelo> i'll keep trying with x alone (on my LAN) .. i'm sure there's another explanation/solution
Jul 02 15:29:42 <Snafu777> I'm guessing it's maemo
Jul 02 15:29:47 <Snafu777> and how fragmented the damn OS is
Jul 02 15:30:11 <Snafu777> Oooooo, Lets mount / on a 256mb NAND chip.  Let's give 30 gigs to a vfat and 2gigs to a ext3
Jul 02 15:30:14 <Snafu777> Thats inelligent
Jul 02 15:30:18 <bencoh> Sicelo: magic cookies/xauth
Jul 02 15:30:21 <Snafu777> We'll make the people suffer by having to optimize stuff
Jul 02 15:30:22 <bencoh> and some X11 conf
Jul 02 15:30:34 <Sicelo> bencoh: xhost .. added my N900 ip there
Jul 02 15:31:00 <bencoh> (why would you wanna do that btw ??)
Jul 02 15:31:01 <Snafu777> See, i didn't have to do any hardcore configuration with my X11 forwarding experiment
Jul 02 15:31:06 <Snafu777> In Mint it just worked
Jul 02 15:31:40 <Sicelo> yes, the first time i asked myself the same question bencoh .. then again, proof-of-concept, i guess
Jul 02 15:47:06 <kerio> Snafu777: hey, we gotta have audio at boot time
Jul 02 15:47:13 <kerio> otherwise people won't be able to hear the sound to the mr hands video
Jul 02 15:47:24 <kerio> brand recognition yo
Jul 02 15:47:25 <Snafu777> Audio at boot time?
Jul 02 15:47:41 <Snafu777> Mr hands?
Jul 02 15:47:44 <Snafu777> I deleted mr hands
Jul 02 15:47:46 <Snafu777> Evil
Jul 02 15:47:52 <Snafu777> That was from NAMBLA's website
Jul 02 15:47:52 <kerio> one of the few reasons we can't move /usr to a separate partition is that the system needs pulseaudio to bootan
Jul 02 15:47:53 <kerio> *boot
Jul 02 15:47:56 <Snafu777> Some old man grabbing a youngsters hand
Jul 02 15:48:02 <Snafu777> Oh
Jul 02 15:48:04 <Snafu777> I see
Jul 02 15:48:07 <kerio> and pulseaudio is installed in /usr
Jul 02 15:48:11 * Snafu777 shuts up and listens to kerio
Jul 02 15:48:36 <kerio> no, mr hands was the dude who died after having sex with a horse
Jul 02 15:48:44 <kerio> by extension, the nokia boot-time video with the shaking hands
Jul 02 15:48:51 <kerio> fucking our filesystem in the ass
Jul 02 15:49:18 <kerio> i really, really, REALLY don't get why the fuck they didn't compile the emmc modules in the kernel
Jul 02 15:49:22 <kerio> so we could mount /usr early
Jul 02 15:49:34 <Snafu777> Here is a question kerio
Jul 02 15:49:38 <Snafu777> With the knowledge in this channel
Jul 02 15:49:48 <Snafu777> Could "the community" not create a 4th release of the OS?
Jul 02 15:49:59 <kerio> we can hardly find maintainers for cssu
Jul 02 15:50:00 <Snafu777> p4 or whatever
Jul 02 15:50:08 <kerio> let alone something like that
Jul 02 15:50:32 <kerio> also, nemo mobile is what you're looking for, i think
Jul 02 15:50:48 <Snafu777> nemo mobile?
Jul 02 15:51:02 <kerio> or maybe Mer
Jul 02 15:51:04 <kerio> i never understood
Jul 02 15:52:03 <Snafu777> I just wish it was all one partition
Jul 02 15:52:08 <Snafu777> screw the 256mb NAND
Jul 02 15:52:24 <Snafu777> or several partitions on the 32gb chip
Jul 02 15:52:32 <kerio> laggy
Jul 02 15:52:35 <Snafu777> just not / on one chip and the rest on the other
Jul 02 15:52:36 <kerio> ~m32g
Jul 02 15:52:37 <Snafu777> U think so?
Jul 02 15:52:45 <kerio> mh
Jul 02 15:52:49 <kerio> what was the link
Jul 02 15:52:51 <kerio> yeah, i'm fairly sure
Jul 02 15:52:53 <Snafu777> Granted, I know crap about this type of stuff
Jul 02 15:53:02 <kerio> the emmc is noticeably slower than the nand
Jul 02 15:53:08 <Snafu777> I just hate the concept of optimization with a passion
Jul 02 15:53:16 <kerio> there's some scripts made by pali to install the system on the emmc
Jul 02 15:53:22 <kerio> giving you pretty much all the space you want
Jul 02 15:53:36 <Snafu777> I just did bind mounts to make space
Jul 02 15:53:50 <kerio> yeah, it works
Jul 02 15:53:54 <Snafu777> created /home/rootfs_bind
Jul 02 15:54:04 <kerio> i made so much space that i could even disable the compression on nand
Jul 02 15:54:04 <Snafu777> copied essential stuff to it, and bind mount to it
Jul 02 15:54:06 <Snafu777> etc...
Jul 02 15:54:09 <kerio> which makes things go even faster
Jul 02 15:54:29 <kerio> the thing is
Jul 02 15:54:35 <kerio> the n900 is bottlenecked both by cpu and by IO
Jul 02 15:55:14 <Snafu777> See I could care less about iphone type speeds
Jul 02 15:55:23 <Snafu777> I'm fine with 600mHz that I overclock to 1.1ghz
Jul 02 15:55:32 <Snafu777> I just want consistency with other *nix platforms
Jul 02 15:55:36 <kerio> i should probably overclock my n900 tbh
Jul 02 15:55:40 <sixwheeledbeast> Why do we need a fourth release (PR1.4)? CSSU has had multiple releases?
Jul 02 15:55:47 <kerio> it won't last much longer anyway
Jul 02 15:55:48 <Snafu777> I run mine at 850 and it runs greate
Jul 02 15:55:57 <Snafu777> Because not all of us use CSSU sixwheeledbeast 
Jul 02 15:56:00 <Snafu777> I'm one of the ones who don't
Jul 02 15:56:03 <kerio> Snafu777: oh, btw
Jul 02 15:56:04 <kerio> use cssu
Jul 02 15:56:07 <Snafu777> because it breaks to tools I use
Jul 02 15:56:16 <Snafu777> pentest stff
Jul 02 15:56:19 <Snafu777> stuff
Jul 02 15:56:35 <kerio> so... you're overclocking and you don't even have cssu-thumb installed
Jul 02 15:56:44 <Snafu777> nope
Jul 02 15:56:45 <kerio> gj
Jul 02 15:57:01 <Snafu777> Hell, I can walk you through my steps, I keep them onine =)
Jul 02 15:57:03 <sixwheeledbeast> Well Nokia has abandoned Maemo so the only updates will be Community ones
Jul 02 15:57:20 <kerio> ~pr14
Jul 02 15:57:23 <kerio> ~pr1.4
Jul 02 15:57:23 <infobot> PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject
Jul 02 15:57:30 <kerio> ~botsnack
Jul 02 15:57:30 <infobot> :), kerio
Jul 02 15:57:34 <kerio> so cute ^_^
Jul 02 15:57:49 <Snafu777> configitnow.com/pwnphone/DIRECTIONS
Jul 02 15:57:55 <bencoh> :]
Jul 02 15:58:05 <Snafu777> configitnow.com/pwnphone/pwnphone_img_v4.0.tar.lzma
Jul 02 15:58:19 <Snafu777> configitnow.com/pwnphone/stock_images.tar.lzma
Jul 02 15:58:22 <dos1> Snafu777: how does it break the tools? isn't just fixing it better idea than being stuck without updates? :P
Jul 02 15:58:26 <Snafu777> That's how I do it kerio
Jul 02 15:58:34 <Snafu777> I manage my own updates?
Jul 02 15:58:37 <sixwheeledbeast> :) CSSU is not meant to break anything, well Stable definitely isn't.
Jul 02 15:58:38 <Snafu777> Keep my own repos =)
Jul 02 15:58:42 <Katajakasa> Meh, install Gentoo! :P
Jul 02 15:58:53 <kerio> oh so you've upgraded openssl by yourself?
Jul 02 15:58:55 <Katajakasa> And paint a couple of white stripes on your device
Jul 02 15:59:15 <Snafu777> I haven't had a need to upgrade openssl on it
Jul 02 15:59:23 <kerio> Katajakasa: you're a fucking noob
Jul 02 15:59:25 <Snafu777> I pentest with the phone, i don't browse to https with it, nor run a server
Jul 02 15:59:28 <kerio> everyone knows that RED stripes make it go faster
Jul 02 15:59:45 <Snafu777> I could have openssl 0.1 on it and be thrilled
Jul 02 15:59:48 <bencoh> red car, says the monkey !
Jul 02 15:59:55 <dos1> Snafu777: duplicating efforts? why for?
Jul 02 15:59:57 <Snafu777> What i care about are pentest tools, hping, aircrack, metasploit, etc...
Jul 02 16:00:16 <dos1> every tool you mention should work on cssu
Jul 02 16:00:20 <dos1> if it doesn't, it's a bug
Jul 02 16:00:22 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod:
Jul 02 16:00:28 <Snafu777> They don't work with the scripts prior written
Jul 02 16:00:35 <dos1> and bugs should be fixed
Jul 02 16:00:38 <Snafu777> And I don't want to re-write the scripts
Jul 02 16:00:44 <dos1> and published, so anyone can benefit
Jul 02 16:01:01 <Katajakasa> kerio: hah, fool! white stripes obviously reflect light away from the device so that the cpu can reach light speed easier
Jul 02 16:01:20 <Snafu777> While it is true that I should go with CSSU (Can't argue)
Jul 02 16:01:32 <Snafu777> I don't because last time I did, everything that I was accustomed to, broke.
Jul 02 16:01:45 <bencoh> hm...
Jul 02 16:01:47 <Snafu777> I'd also have to figure out where and at what point in the upgrade to flip the bind mounts
Jul 02 16:02:02 <sixwheeledbeast> Well anything that "broke" should be repoted and fixed.
Jul 02 16:02:09 <Snafu777> Having to run the optimize thingie on a deb is not fun
Jul 02 16:02:17 <Snafu777> But nobody in CSSU cares about hacking tools
Jul 02 16:02:20 <dos1> especially if it's cssu-stable
Jul 02 16:02:27 <Snafu777> CSSU is more for people who actually use the phone for smartphone purposes
Jul 02 16:02:36 <Snafu777> At least from the responses I had last time I brought it up
Jul 02 16:02:40 <bencoh> hm, no ?()
Jul 02 16:02:46 <Snafu777> Not from what I could tell
Jul 02 16:02:49 <Snafu777> I'd love to help out
Jul 02 16:02:52 <sixwheeledbeast> I can't imagine anything that would break from CSSU Stable upgrade.
Jul 02 16:02:54 <Snafu777> I use some neat stuff with my n900
Jul 02 16:03:51 <Snafu777> I guess I could try it again
Jul 02 16:03:56 <sixwheeledbeast> I disagree CSSU Stable is for everyone.... 
Jul 02 16:04:05 <Snafu777> Let me ask this then, if I go CSSU stable, does packet injection come standard or do I have to jump a rainbow to make it happen?
Jul 02 16:04:29 <sixwheeledbeast> packet injection isn't in PR1.3 
Jul 02 16:04:38 <Snafu777> But it is if you use the power kernel
Jul 02 16:04:52 <bencoh> I dont see why cssu would break it
Jul 02 16:04:58 <bencoh> as long as you keep using power kernel
Jul 02 16:05:03 <sixwheeledbeast> well CSSU doesn't effect the kernel
Jul 02 16:05:41 <Snafu777> Specifically I use kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb because anything newer than that seems to act FUNKY with airbase-ng
Jul 02 16:05:48 <Snafu777> dropped clients
Jul 02 16:05:53 <Snafu777> Multiple reassociations for NO reason
Jul 02 16:05:54 <Snafu777> etc..
Jul 02 16:05:59 <sixwheeledbeast> I have CSSU Stable and KP no problem. I don't use packet injection.
Jul 02 16:06:27 <sixwheeledbeast> Snafu777: you should report those issues to Pali aka KP maintainer.
Jul 02 16:06:44 <sixwheeledbeast> KP is an extras package after all not a CSSU system package
Jul 02 16:07:55 <Snafu777> How about the system asking the user to type in a password when pressing an icon that launched a script requiring root
Jul 02 16:08:12 <dos1> for cssu-thumb, you actually even *have to* use kernel-power
Jul 02 16:08:45 <sixwheeledbeast> If you install CSSU-thumb then KP will be upgraded to the latest, due to depending on errata workaround.
Jul 02 16:08:57 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod: dos1 beat me :P
Jul 02 16:11:17 <sixwheeledbeast> Snafu777: have you password protected root?
Jul 02 16:12:00 <Snafu777> of course
Jul 02 16:12:08 <Snafu777> installing openssh makes u change the pword
Jul 02 16:12:21 <Snafu777> set one rather
Jul 02 16:12:33 <sixwheeledbeast> so if you open a terminal and type root you have to enter a password?
Jul 02 16:12:40 <Snafu777> oh
Jul 02 16:12:40 <Snafu777> no
Jul 02 16:13:06 <sixwheeledbeast> well CSSU shouldn't play with either.
Jul 02 16:13:14 <Snafu777> but if i ssh into the n900, i must type password for root
Jul 02 16:17:52 <Snafu777> After having read about CSSU thumb it seems I'm missing out on some "real" performace.  Does it really make her performt hat much better?
Jul 02 16:19:19 <sixwheeledbeast> Yes it's a lot snappier due to less memory being used. However you can't use thumb if you want to keep KP46.
Jul 02 16:20:41 <Snafu777> I know that
Jul 02 16:20:54 <Snafu777> I'm curious as to see if the newest KP will drop clients
Jul 02 16:28:40 <sixwheeledbeast> maybe bm your setup and try. If you have issues you'll have to reflash, install kp46 and restore bm
Jul 02 16:29:25 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: do you have figures regarding thumb vs nonthumb ?
Jul 02 16:29:38 <sixwheeledbeast> or maybe kp's changelogs has some notes on bugfixes
Jul 02 16:30:12 <sixwheeledbeast> bencoh: no, fmg is the man to ask re thumb
Jul 02 16:30:36 <bencoh> freemangordon: do you have figures regarding thumb vs nonthumb ? :)
Jul 02 16:31:06 <sixwheeledbeast> ~cssu-thumb
Jul 02 16:31:06 <infobot> hmm... cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
Jul 02 16:32:37 <bencoh> so ... 30% ?
Jul 02 16:33:06 <bencoh> "With packages that are so far in CSSU-thumb repository, the code size is reduced by approximately 35MiB" well much less then
Jul 02 16:35:12 <sixwheeledbeast> I imagine it will be reduced a little more than that now
Jul 02 16:39:14 <sixwheeledbeast> hmm, My Location hasn't been working for a while, I wonder why. I have a A-GPS fix...mmm
Jul 02 17:33:52 <freemangordon> bencoh: it is a bit relative, as code size is reduced by 30-40 % for thumb vs non, but not everything is thumb-compiled. also, keep in mind that most system libs (read - most of the time in RAM) are thumb-compiled, so the end effect is bigger than one may think by just looking at those 35MiB
Jul 02 17:48:05 * ecc2g looks for another n900 to try thumb on ...
Jul 02 17:50:29 <Snafu777> kerio: Are you there?
Jul 02 17:50:38 <kerio> no
Jul 02 17:50:43 <Snafu777> too bad
Jul 02 17:50:49 <Snafu777> When do you think you will be back, eh?
Jul 02 17:50:50 <Snafu777> =)
Jul 02 17:50:55 <Snafu777> Yer cssu saavy
Jul 02 17:51:01 <Snafu777> So here is a question
Jul 02 17:51:09 <Snafu777> Let me pull up my work for a sec so i can speak from text
Jul 02 17:52:24 <Snafu777> http://pastebin.com/v5gauwkr
Jul 02 17:52:36 <Snafu777> If I wanted to be able to use that technique, could it be done with cssu?
Jul 03 02:01:56 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Jul 03 02:02:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wb
Jul 03 02:02:08 <infobot> It's great to be back!
Jul 03 02:06:17 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Jul 03 02:16:31 <ant_> nie spimy lecimy
Jul 03 02:16:39 <ant_> :-)
Jul 03 02:20:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ant_: eh?
Jul 03 02:22:52 <ant_> wrong # sorry
Jul 03 02:22:56 <ant_> but i've said
Jul 03 02:23:19 <ant_> something like "do not sleep, dance!"
Jul 03 02:23:38 <ant_> there is other very popular "sleeping is for faggots" ;p
Jul 03 02:26:45 <DocScrutinizer05> k :-D
Jul 03 02:27:33 <DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless, me suspend-to-bed
Jul 03 02:28:38 <ant_> not here
Jul 03 02:28:46 <DocScrutinizer05> stupid birds start singing 
Jul 03 02:29:14 <ant_> angry birds ;p
Jul 03 02:29:25 <DocScrutinizer05> in 30min I need my sunglasses
Jul 03 02:30:06 <ant_> i've left my raybans @ ~
Jul 03 02:30:11 <ant_> I mean at home ;p
Jul 03 02:30:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm at home, and my raybans are 30cm away
Jul 03 02:30:50 <ant_> which model?
Jul 03 02:30:59 <DocScrutinizer05> err, where to find out?
Jul 03 02:31:15 <ant_> left side inside I believe ;-)
Jul 03 02:31:37 <ant_> left side of the frame 
Jul 03 02:31:40 <ant_> inside
Jul 03 02:31:40 <DocScrutinizer05> RB8305?
Jul 03 02:31:45 <ant_> y I believe
Jul 03 02:32:02 <ant_> https://www.google.pl/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=_Iw-Iap310K-mM&tbnid=h-pC1O6ZepBQNM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.luxoneyes.com%2Feng%2Fsunglasses%2Fray-ban.cfm%3Fsunglassid%3D885056&ei=m8C0U9PIL-ie0QXagIH4AQ&bvm=bv.70138588,d.ZWU&psig=AFQjCNFKWx_B0SiEhF35DIXihQ1S4UOxeg&ust=1404441112668515
Jul 03 02:32:07 <ant_> sorry
Jul 03 02:32:10 <ant_> http://www.luxoneyes.com/images/imgeye/23/img_art_CARBON_FIBRE_CL_RB_8305_082_71_A.jpg
Jul 03 02:32:13 <ant_> this ones?
Jul 03 02:32:30 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Jul 03 02:32:36 <ant_> I've had 3 pair of aviators and the actual ones are broken also :>
Jul 03 02:32:43 <ant_> scratched the glass
Jul 03 02:33:16 <ant_> the optician said its hard to break the glass even with the hammer
Jul 03 02:33:34 <ant_> and that's my 3rd pair in 2 or 3 years ;(
Jul 03 02:34:06 <DocScrutinizer05> dang. Have a polariod since 6 years, the rayban since 3
Jul 03 02:34:32 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, o/
Jul 03 02:34:36 <ant_> sure
Jul 03 02:34:36 <ant_> cya
Jul 03 02:34:39 <ant_> nn
Jul 03 02:35:59 <DocScrutinizer05> Polaroid is on my tmo avatar iirc
Jul 03 02:36:32 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=35572
Jul 03 02:37:09 <DocScrutinizer05> cya
Jul 03 02:59:00 <ant_> iam not asleep
Jul 03 02:59:02 <ant_> thought you were
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