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Jul 05 08:49:04 <AndChat119664> is yamas working ?? 
Jul 05 09:14:19 <sixwheeledbeast> ~yamas
Jul 05 11:04:38 <vakkov> Qt and QML guys, please help me! I need to split the screen in two halves. Imagine that each half is a big button (basically I need two big buttons that split the screen vertically). How can I accomplish this task?
Jul 05 11:06:06 <vakkov> QSplitter i guess
Jul 05 11:06:24 <sixwheeledbeast> vakkov: easy, put two buttons in your dialog with the designer and use group option
Jul 05 11:08:04 <sixwheeledbeast> do you want it to take up the whole window?
Jul 05 11:08:16 <vakkov> yes
Jul 05 11:10:05 <sixwheeledbeast> Ok so many ways to do it but, two button on a window select layout horizonally on the window and then set the buttons to MinimumExpanding
Jul 05 11:10:16 <sixwheeledbeast> vakkov: ^^
Jul 05 11:10:43 <vakkov> thanks :)
Jul 05 11:10:59 <sixwheeledbeast> vakkov: np
Jul 05 11:15:25 <sixwheeledbeast> You could also use a horz groupbox if you need to add more items to that window. 
Jul 05 11:25:31 * sixwheeledbeast wishes he had more time to learn C properly, he may be able to make some more useful Qt apps then.
Jul 05 11:28:13 <vakkov> ok, so the .ui file is imported to the .pro . Now I need to make that design show on the screen
Jul 05 18:00:38 <sixwheeledbeast> \o/ vote token
Jul 05 18:43:34 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: hm?
Jul 05 18:44:16 <sixwheeledbeast> I have one ... before the elections start :)
Jul 05 18:44:22 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Jul 05 18:44:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder how you got iz
Jul 05 18:44:44 <DocScrutinizer05> it*
Jul 05 18:45:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and particularly what it looks like
Jul 05 18:46:23 <DocScrutinizer05> can't be the right ballot already, since that's not even set up yet, not to think about proofreading it by council
Jul 05 18:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm STILL missing the official announcement about which are the candidates and when the voting will start, on ML and community blog
Jul 05 18:47:35 <DocScrutinizer05> done by chair of council
Jul 05 18:47:47 <DocScrutinizer05> overdue since ... monday?
Jul 05 18:48:23 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think *anybody* already noticed about the pending elections
Jul 05 18:49:00 <DocScrutinizer05> actually not even all candidates have posted their introduction
Jul 05 18:50:34 <DocScrutinizer05> not even nieldk
Jul 05 18:50:53 <DocScrutinizer05> who *should* know what to do
Jul 05 18:51:15 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_May_2014/Candidate_declarations#TODO_:_Next_ones_to_be_listed
Jul 05 18:52:30 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_May_2014  still has ZILCH pending dates, totally outdated
Jul 05 18:53:35 <DocScrutinizer05> seems the term "secret election" got misinterpreted here ;-D
Jul 05 19:11:49 <sixwheeledbeast> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1431900#post1431900
Jul 05 19:28:16 <sixwheeledbeast> ~moo
Jul 05 19:28:17 <infobot> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
Jul 05 20:16:40 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf tmo?
Jul 05 20:16:51 <DocScrutinizer05> who's reading tmo random threads?
Jul 05 20:18:14 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, why do I worry
Jul 05 20:18:43 <sixwheeledbeast> because your on the council and you care
Jul 05 20:19:04 <DocScrutinizer05> seems 50% of candidates don't even think about *introducing* themselves, and I wouldn't feel surprised if those are the ones who get voted, since they for example promis "more gifs"
Jul 05 20:20:08 <DocScrutinizer05> seems to me as if there's a pretty cloudy idea of what council is all about, if at all, out there
Jul 05 20:22:10 <sixwheeledbeast> I have faith in the community to select the right people. It good that we finally got so much interest.
Jul 05 20:22:35 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a pretty obvious reason why application at ML always been mandatory. Even two: a) you can edit tmo posts all you like, any time you like. And b) nobody is supposed to keep track of all new posts on tmo
Jul 05 20:23:14 <sixwheeledbeast> We need fresh people as the long timers are pushed deeper into looking after infra etc.
Jul 05 20:23:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I *think* introduction also been mandatory
Jul 05 20:23:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't need fresh people wo promise "mar gifs"
Jul 05 20:24:03 <DocScrutinizer05> moar even
Jul 05 20:25:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I also doubt any of those who you think are "pushed deeper into looking after infra etc" will be happy about trying to cooperate with a council that's focused on stuff like posting gifs on tmo
Jul 05 20:25:49 <sixwheeledbeast> maybe juiceme isn't aware or busy. He's done a good job of publishing minutes of meetings as chair IMO.
Jul 05 20:26:07 <kerio> i promise more jpgs
Jul 05 20:26:18 <sixwheeledbeast> As I say I trust the community to make the correct decision
Jul 05 20:26:32 <sixwheeledbeast> jpgs of what?
Jul 05 20:26:38 <kerio> idk
Jul 05 20:26:48 <kerio> <doc> [...] since they for example promis "more gifs"
Jul 05 20:27:04 <DocScrutinizer05> to me it seems like 4 of our 10 candidates are more or less fake bidding (as in ebay)
Jul 05 20:27:53 <kerio> wait isn't that what we did with my candidation for last election
Jul 05 20:28:46 <sixwheeledbeast> well we only need 5, are they all eligible, if they do not post a declaration then there unlikely to get votes IMO
Jul 05 20:30:55 <sixwheeledbeast> TBH bigger fish to fry than worry about something out of my control. 
Jul 05 20:31:17 <sixwheeledbeast> But maybe it's worth mentioning to juiceme about the ML etc
Jul 05 20:36:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I also doubt it's a right thing to have when anonymous (only nickname known) council members decide over maintainership approval for maemo infra for which we mandate full name getting disclosed to such council (and HiFo board)
Jul 05 20:39:32 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod: agreed. 
Jul 05 20:41:16 <sixwheeledbeast> but without a declaration and karma check I didn't think they would be included in the vote
Jul 05 20:42:13 <DocScrutinizer05> or how's somebody who refuses to update own declaration on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_May_2014/Candidate_declarations#TODO_:_Next_ones_to_be_listed supposed to decide who gets permissions to moderate wiki?
Jul 05 20:42:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I honestly doubt those who still haven't provided proper declaration are valid candidates
Jul 05 20:43:57 <DocScrutinizer05> alas it's up to chair to decide that, and he seems to have a more relaxed set of requirements to council candidates
Jul 05 20:46:24 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather, towards proper election process, which so far always included officially checking such requirements like karma, proper in time application *on ML*, proper declaration (so the contemplation period makes any sense at all) etc pp
Jul 05 20:47:24 <DocScrutinizer05> also it's been best practice so far to check back with complete council about wording of the mail to send out being correct
Jul 05 20:49:58 <DocScrutinizer05> and I mentioned several times that elections and candidates *need* to get *officially* (means: on blog and thus automatically on ML and _maybe_ on tmo) announced by council chair
Jul 05 20:51:12 <DocScrutinizer05> but I'm honestly too busy and frankly also too wrecked form past 6 months, to take care of all this just another time
Jul 05 20:52:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I tried to emphasize and point out on council tasks and general rules and what council does, during last meeting
Jul 05 21:12:03 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Jul 05 21:34:54 <DocScrutinizer05> FFS!!!! we AGAIN are sending out mails to deleted garage accounts
Jul 05 21:35:24 <DocScrutinizer05> WHO CREATED THAT ELECTORATE TABLE?? WHO CHECKED IT FOR PLAUSIBILITY?
Jul 05 21:36:11 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks
Jul 05 21:46:50 <DocScrutinizer05> some poor fellow receiving a ballot for 3rd time now, for a garage account he deleted years ago
Jul 05 21:50:06 <bencoh> looks like you cant leave maemo :>
Jul 05 21:54:16 <Luke-Jr> I don't think I got a ballot :o
Jul 05 21:54:36 <Luke-Jr> otoh, I'd probably have ignored it
Jul 05 22:01:01 <sixwheeledbeast> you can't "leave" maemo. It's infra doesn't allow it
Jul 05 22:06:13 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: don't tell that a lawyer. We are legally obliged to delete all privacy data on request
Jul 05 22:08:10 <bencoh> :]
Jul 05 22:08:47 <sixwheeledbeast> "on request" that's fine, it just can't be done automagically 
Jul 05 22:08:55 <sixwheeledbeast> so it seems
Jul 05 22:20:41 <DocScrutinizer05> that guy requested it 3rd time now
Jul 05 22:23:02 <DocScrutinizer05> plus what's worse: this incident/problem suggests that our electorate list wasn't updated at all, so we also might not see anybody voting who joined community during last 18 months
Jul 05 22:23:33 <DocScrutinizer05> I elaborated on this, in #maemo-meeting
Jul 05 22:23:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and in ##maemo-admin
Jul 05 22:29:26 <ShadowJK> Considering that maemo is in a process of constant downsizing, it would probably make sense to change this election thing
Jul 05 22:29:36 <ShadowJK> Longer terms
Jul 05 22:29:44 <ShadowJK> .. fewer elects?
Jul 05 22:35:46 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, maemo council should actually "reinvent" itself and drive a movement towards a community discussion resulting in new rules and council definition suggested in a referendum
Jul 05 22:37:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm afraid we already missed the point in time where council had enough power, knowledge, experience, and endurance to make that happen
Jul 05 22:37:41 <ShadowJK> I'm not familiar with rules of anything, but I would've thought they could do that at any time
Jul 05 22:38:15 <DocScrutinizer05> do what exactly?
Jul 05 22:38:58 <ShadowJK> Redefine itself
Jul 05 22:39:18 <sixwheeledbeast> the knowledge and experience is the key here
Jul 05 22:39:32 <DocScrutinizer05> fun collateral effect: this would introduce massive problems with HiFo bylaws and probably also that new e.V.
Jul 05 22:41:18 <DocScrutinizer05> while the council can change own rules via referendum any time (given somebody has the drive to do so), same does probably NOT apply to HiFo bylaws which got a copy of those council rules
Jul 05 22:42:21 <DocScrutinizer05> and honestly, I outright refuse to even start thinking about that, and what it would ensue
Jul 05 22:44:25 <DocScrutinizer05> and we don't even have a fully working infra to do a proper referendum, as you can see in above few dozen lines
Jul 05 22:46:07 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly maemo orga has tripped the point of no return towards a zombie state already
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