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Jul 09 08:20:32 <zGrr> moin :)
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Jul 09 09:45:03 <cint> Someone around here who has a copy of chromium_5.0.369.2-maemo4_armel.deb? (fremantle)
Jul 09 09:45:20 <cint> http://maemo.jacekowski.org/ is down.
Jul 09 10:12:14 <spoofy> o/
Jul 09 10:13:26 <spoofy> https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-17.html < Is the old flash version on maemo is vulnerable?
Jul 09 10:17:39 <Wizzup> I wouldn't be surprised
Jul 09 11:26:42 <wnd> is "nokia maps" currently working on n900 for others? I know there are alternatives, but that's not what I'm after right now.
Jul 09 11:27:46 <wnd> I see network traffic to cds139.arn.llnw.net, but only satellite/aerial photos seem to be coming back. actual maps are not.
Jul 09 11:33:17 <spoofy> wnd: same here
Jul 09 11:33:27 <spoofy> only satellite view on nokia maps
Jul 09 11:36:40 <wnd> thanks. at least it's not just me then.
Jul 09 11:37:02 <spoofy> also modrana-qml has map loading error (Failed to get image)
Jul 09 11:41:05 <cint> maemo scratchboc can't be installed anymore because "http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php" is down?!
Jul 09 11:41:56 <wnd> address searches clearly go to ec2/aws and return data perfectly fine. this particular ec2 address redirect to here.com.
Jul 09 11:42:17 <spoofy> I have an scratchbox installed on Debian sid before shutdown.
Jul 09 12:39:07 <Katajakasa> There we go, got E17/X to start on N810 :D http://katajakasa.fi/projects/n810/boot/
Jul 09 12:49:21 <spoofy> Nice Katajakasa :)
Jul 09 13:33:41 <dhbiker> Katajakasa: gentoo ? any reason why you used it instead of others ?
Jul 09 13:35:12 <Katajakasa> dhbiker: Because i can :P
Jul 09 13:35:48 <dhbiker> just asking
Jul 09 13:35:52 <Katajakasa> The whole N810 installation idea came from when a friend found it on my shelf and said something like "heh, you should install gentoo on it" :)
Jul 09 13:35:52 <dhbiker> <-- gentoo user here
Jul 09 13:36:01 <Katajakasa> right
Jul 09 13:36:18 <dhbiker> but you probably don't compile stuff on your 810 ? o.O
Jul 09 13:36:30 <Katajakasa> Well, I can
Jul 09 13:36:32 <Katajakasa> distcc helps
Jul 09 13:36:34 <Katajakasa> BUT
Jul 09 13:36:39 <Katajakasa> mostly i just compile on qemu :)
Jul 09 13:36:44 <dhbiker> ah yes :D
Jul 09 13:36:53 <dhbiker> it would takes ages i pressume :D
Jul 09 13:37:12 <Katajakasa> Probably, I don't really feel like trying
Jul 09 13:37:32 <dhbiker> what happened with "Because i can"
Jul 09 13:37:33 <dhbiker> :D
Jul 09 13:37:57 <Katajakasa> Ah, Real World sometimes has a dampening effect on enthusiasm :)
Jul 09 13:38:04 <dhbiker> hehe
Jul 09 13:38:31 <dhbiker> i tried it once on RPi... was so slow i just canceled it xD
Jul 09 13:38:34 <Katajakasa> Still, gentoo is nice in that it's pretty flexible. Packages are pretty easily modifiable without arcane packaging magic...
Jul 09 13:38:47 <dhbiker> yep
Jul 09 14:09:29 <Sicelo> cint: /topic
Jul 09 14:12:42 <Sicelo> wnd: spoofy : use Nokia/Ovi suite to get Maps. that still works. N900's maps is hardcoded to look for maps in a location that no longer serves maps
Jul 09 14:13:32 <Sicelo> and yes, i *ONLY* use stock Maps (have tried all others, but still find stock maps more useful for my use cases)
Jul 09 14:16:13 <Sicelo> Katajakasa: ver nice :)
Jul 09 14:16:31 <Sicelo> what kernel is that? and how long does it take to boot to the login screen?
Jul 09 14:17:07 <Katajakasa> Sicelo: 3.3.8 with openwrt patches
Jul 09 14:17:46 <bencoh> owrt on n810 ?
Jul 09 14:18:14 <Katajakasa> N810 was a supported openwrt platform at some point, i think
Jul 09 14:18:24 <Katajakasa> anyways, it's about 30 seconds (or so) to login screen
Jul 09 14:18:33 <Katajakasa> from pressing the power button
Jul 09 14:19:24 <Sicelo> wow. 
Jul 09 14:20:13 <Katajakasa> In any case... I've got working audio, wifi, touchscreen, keyboard, all other buttons, usb in host-mode. Bluetooth not yet tested, but driver module loads and finds _something_. Charging is kind of iffy.
Jul 09 14:24:18 <bencoh> neat
Jul 09 14:25:51 <Katajakasa> systemd actually helps quite a lot. With only openrc, the boot time is around 2-3 minutes :P
Jul 09 14:26:06 <bencoh> meh :)
Jul 09 14:26:32 <bencoh> some init script timing out I guess
Jul 09 14:32:20 <Katajakasa> bencoh: Afaik no. It's just that systemd actually knows how to load stuff in parallel :P
Jul 09 14:32:38 <Katajakasa> OpenRC wanted to load most stuff before it started loading X and SLIM
Jul 09 14:33:05 <Katajakasa> Systemd started loading X almost instantly after kernel was loaded :/
Jul 09 14:33:25 <kerio> yeah, systemd cheats
Jul 09 14:33:45 <Katajakasa> hah, not a fan ? :D
Jul 09 14:33:53 <kerio> ~poettering
Jul 09 14:33:56 <Katajakasa> :P
Jul 09 14:33:58 <infobot> 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html
Jul 09 14:34:21 <Katajakasa> I kind of like the idea of systemd. It's fast and pretty light. I'm just slightly worried about it getting huge and bloated :/
Jul 09 14:35:41 <Katajakasa> Systemd Journal though, is something that should be shot and hanged :/
Jul 09 14:35:49 <Katajakasa> At least it's possible to disable it and use syslog-ng
Jul 09 14:37:14 <Humpelstilzchen> systemd is light?
Jul 09 14:38:12 <Katajakasa> Yes, actually
Jul 09 14:38:48 <Katajakasa> In total, systemd services are running with RSS of ~2.2M
Jul 09 14:39:42 <Katajakasa> It goes to around 3.5M in use
Jul 09 14:39:44 <Katajakasa> but that's it
Jul 09 14:40:09 <Humpelstilzchen> my poor openwrt
Jul 09 14:41:00 <Katajakasa> In any case, to make this clear (again), i'm running gentoo/armv6+vfp
Jul 09 14:42:16 <Katajakasa> I'm just using some openwrt patches for kernel. In case somebody thought I was running openwrt.
Jul 09 14:46:03 <Katajakasa> dbus though...
Jul 09 14:46:16 <Katajakasa> dbus has an RSS of 8 M
Jul 09 14:46:26 <Katajakasa> :&
Jul 09 14:58:27 <bencoh> typhus, cholera ;p
Jul 09 14:58:56 <bencoh> good old wrt54g had something like 8M, flat
Jul 09 14:59:03 <bencoh> or 16M, not much more
Jul 09 15:00:30 <bencoh> yeah, 16M
Jul 09 15:00:49 <Katajakasa> N810 has 128M, so might as well use some of it to make the loading times tolerable
Jul 09 15:00:56 <bencoh> :)
Jul 09 17:03:12 <wnd> Sicelo, thanks. preloading the maps defeats the purpose of stock Maps for me, but monitoring network traffic while preloading just might help figuring out how to remedy the situation.
Jul 09 17:07:18 <spoofy> Sicelo: thanks but I would like to see modrana-qml working on fremantle
Jul 09 17:07:40 <spoofy> IMO modrana is a nice alternative.
Jul 09 17:26:40 <wnd> Sicelo, just tried Nokia PC Suite (7.1.1.180.94) in VM, clicking the maps button opens a browser to http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/apps/lumia/here/ . :-/
Jul 09 18:07:55 <cint> Sicelo: Am I off topic? why? Isn't this the general maemo channel?
Jul 09 18:09:01 <cint> (for fremantle/n900)
Jul 09 18:12:30 <bencoh> no you're not
Jul 09 18:12:42 <bencoh> (it is the general maemo/n900 chan)
Jul 09 18:19:42 <fizzie> cint: I think the intended point was that the topic message (which you can usually see with /topic) might contain useful information for you.
Jul 09 18:19:45 <fizzie> ~sb
Jul 09 18:19:46 <infobot> hmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Jul 09 18:19:52 <fizzie> (Possibly there. Haven't checked.)
Jul 09 19:36:55 <Sicelo> cint: lol... that was not what i meant
Jul 09 19:37:32 <Sicelo> i meant on the /topic you would find the answer to your questsion, as fizzie has so kindly pointed out
Jul 10 00:04:51 <DocScrutinizer05> cint: see /topic
Jul 10 00:11:48 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, the result of processing backscroll top-down
Jul 10 00:27:14 <cint> ok thx for the links.
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