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Jul 16 03:15:24 <DocScrutinizer05> well, we need to try trhat, yes. Anyway http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=280413
Jul 16 03:16:00 <DocScrutinizer05> the usual daily nightmare of EE and generally building hw at alrge
Jul 16 03:30:34 <Snafu777> Does anyone here have a Comcast TG852G or TG862G Wireless Gateway modem (http://www.cabletv.com/images/cabletv/new/comcast/xinternet-content4.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zBBrNORFHa.jpg)?  I would really appreciate your feedback if you do!
Jul 16 06:48:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ohmy, tmo at its best
Jul 16 07:15:49 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: robbiethe1st: after some research a while ago I found that 1.2.0-2 was made by ade and needs packages from cssu-devel. Not a good idea to promote this.
Jul 16 07:21:57 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: when it "needs packages from -devel" then those packages need promotion as well, no?
Jul 16 07:23:01 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: yes promotion to CSSU-Stable or Extras before the main package can be promoted
Jul 16 07:52:35 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jul 16 07:52:40 <DocScrutinizer05> tried to do exactly this
Jul 16 07:53:54 <DocScrutinizer05> now it turns out that extras-testing has a lower version of getbootstate than extras-devel. Since getbootstate is a core package, I don't see how it comes into extras-* at all, and for sure I don't know of any way to promote it
Jul 16 08:13:50 <sixwheeledbeast> The ~bm update is to fix an issue with a package in CSSU-Devel anyway IIRC.
Jul 16 08:14:44 <sixwheeledbeast> this is why extras version works fine
Jul 16 08:15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
Jul 16 08:15:59 <kerio> backupmenu really needs to be a uboot-startable separate OS
Jul 16 08:16:06 <kerio> it relies too much on maemoisms
Jul 16 08:16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Jul 16 08:17:06 <DocScrutinizer05> that's not BM, that's a locally installed cersion of ~rescueOS
Jul 16 08:17:17 <DocScrutinizer05> version*
Jul 16 08:17:40 <DocScrutinizer05> you're free to create such on your device any time
Jul 16 08:18:20 <kerio> mh, i should make a "rescueos-bootimg" package
Jul 16 08:18:21 <DocScrutinizer05> however you are aware that most users don't even have uBoot, do you?
Jul 16 08:18:33 <kerio> i am
Jul 16 08:18:36 <kerio> and that's bad
Jul 16 08:33:17 <Ashley`> DocScrutinizer05: i have backup of important things ;)
Jul 16 08:45:52 <Ashley`> where does backupmenu stores backups?
Jul 16 08:46:11 <Ashley`> (where should i put them to restore them)
Jul 16 08:49:18 <DocScrutinizer05> you can choose to eithe put them on uSdor on eMMC iirc
Jul 16 08:49:29 <DocScrutinizer05> uSD or...*
Jul 16 08:50:42 <kerio> mydocs or the first vfat partition of the uSD
Jul 16 08:50:44 <kerio> er
Jul 16 08:50:48 <kerio> the first partition of the uSD
Jul 16 08:50:53 <kerio> mounted as vfat
Jul 16 08:52:35 <DocScrutinizer05> -rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 561643520 2011-03-06 20:09 /home/user/MyDocs/systemBackups/20110306-1905-optfs.tar
Jul 16 08:52:37 <DocScrutinizer05> -rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 287365120 2011-03-06 20:07 /home/user/MyDocs/systemBackups/20110306-1905-rootfs.tar
Jul 16 08:52:50 <DocScrutinizer05> seems quite out of date though :-o
Jul 16 08:54:35 <Ashley`> oh /systemBackups?
Jul 16 08:54:40 <DocScrutinizer05> actually optfs is misleading, it has /opt *and* /user
Jul 16 08:54:41 <Ashley`> thx
Jul 16 08:55:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and /user has what you'd expect in it
Jul 16 08:55:45 <Ashley`> /use?
Jul 16 08:55:47 <Ashley`> /user?
Jul 16 08:55:49 <Ashley`> not /home?
Jul 16 08:56:03 <kerio> he means /home/user
Jul 16 08:56:18 <kerio> /opt is a symlink to /home/opt
Jul 16 08:56:21 <Ashley`> i know
Jul 16 08:56:39 <DocScrutinizer05> i.e. all you get from a ls -l ~user|grep -v MyDocs
Jul 16 08:57:18 <Ashley`> how long does it take to restore backup?
Jul 16 08:57:23 <Ashley`> 69M 20110619-2247-optfs.tar.gz
Jul 16 08:57:24 <DocScrutinizer05> optfs should rather get named homefs
Jul 16 08:57:25 <Ashley`> 86M 20110619-2247-rootfs.tar.gz
Jul 16 08:57:53 <kerio> Ashley`: not much
Jul 16 08:58:01 <DocScrutinizer05> duh, your files look smallish
Jul 16 08:58:13 <kerio> the gunzipping will take a bit it hink
Jul 16 08:58:14 <Ashley`> DocScrutinizer05: those are clean files
Jul 16 08:58:14 <kerio> *i think
Jul 16 08:58:27 <Ashley`> http://
Jul 16 08:58:29 <Ashley`> http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/
Jul 16 08:58:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I start to wonder why yours also is of 2011 .oO(???)
Jul 16 08:59:16 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah, .gz
Jul 16 08:59:25 <DocScrutinizer05> that explains the size
Jul 16 08:59:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I never dared to test .gz
Jul 16 08:59:57 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly takes ages
Jul 16 09:01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> aaaah, robbiethe1st's image
Jul 16 09:01:49 <Ashley`> i have my images
Jul 16 09:02:04 <DocScrutinizer05> means?
Jul 16 09:02:06 <Ashley`> but they are not clean (they have my data)
Jul 16 09:02:18 <Ashley`> and i want to clean my n900
Jul 16 09:02:25 <Ashley`> before giving it to repairs man
Jul 16 09:04:17 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, reflashing would be the method of choice for that
Jul 16 09:04:29 <DocScrutinizer05> but hard to do with broken USB
Jul 16 09:04:34 <Ashley`> yeah :P
Jul 16 09:04:46 <Ashley`> now i have to wait til my battery is full
Jul 16 09:04:53 <Ashley`> i use battery from nokia c3-01
Jul 16 09:04:59 <Ashley`> (not c3-00)
Jul 16 09:05:28 <Ashley`> BL-5CT
Jul 16 09:05:41 <Ashley`> it works (tm)
Jul 16 09:05:50 <DocScrutinizer05> then otoh you can use dd to nuke complete /home and /
Jul 16 09:06:17 <DocScrutinizer05> of course it won't boot after that anymore, but then you want to get USB fixed anyway
Jul 16 09:06:33 <DocScrutinizer05> after that you can reflash and then restore your backups
Jul 16 09:07:19 <DocScrutinizer05> for test of USB it's sufficient to connect nokia charger and then also a Linux PC and watch USB ENUM in PC's syslog
Jul 16 09:07:24 <Ashley`> well, i'd like to keep my n900 bootable :P
Jul 16 09:07:49 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll have a hard time then
Jul 16 09:07:54 <kerio> easy time
Jul 16 09:07:58 <kerio> just flash a known-to-work bm image
Jul 16 09:08:02 <DocScrutinizer05> to really erase all that stuff from flash
Jul 16 09:08:16 <DocScrutinizer05> no, since bm only writes files
Jul 16 09:08:20 <Ashley`> oh
Jul 16 09:08:26 <kerio> oh, fair enough
Jul 16 09:08:28 <Ashley`> it does not delete?
Jul 16 09:08:28 <kerio> install uboot
Jul 16 09:08:39 <Ashley`> uboot does not work on that n900
Jul 16 09:08:41 <DocScrutinizer05> it may even keep files that already exist and are not getting overwritten by new version
Jul 16 09:08:43 <kerio> Ashley`: it does a mkfs on the emmc, it does a rm -r on rootfs
Jul 16 09:08:54 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: don't be silly
Jul 16 09:08:56 <Ashley`> thats fine
Jul 16 09:09:11 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: huh?
Jul 16 09:09:13 <kerio> that means that, at least for the emmc, there's a high chance that your data is still there
Jul 16 09:09:29 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: that would be a completely idiotic way to do things
Jul 16 09:09:37 <kerio> because it doesn't restore a full backup
Jul 16 09:09:48 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: what do you expect from an untar?
Jul 16 09:09:48 <kerio> what happens if /etc/nologin is on the rootfs?
Jul 16 09:09:54 <kerio> i expect nothing from an untar
Jul 16 09:10:01 <kerio> i expect from backupmenu to remove the old files
Jul 16 09:10:03 <kerio> which it does
Jul 16 09:10:11 <DocScrutinizer05> it doesn't afaik
Jul 16 09:10:16 <kerio> you k wrong
Jul 16 09:10:23 <DocScrutinizer05> aha
Jul 16 09:10:24 <kerio> go check the shellscript
Jul 16 09:10:36 <kerio> the emmc is completely mkfsed
Jul 16 09:10:42 <DocScrutinizer05> aha
Jul 16 09:10:54 <kerio> it doesn't quite touch the ubifs because nobody knows how the fuck ubifs is supposed to wokr
Jul 16 09:10:56 <kerio> *work
Jul 16 09:11:00 <kerio> but it deletes the files
Jul 16 09:11:13 <kerio> idk if ubifs will actually erase the pages, however
Jul 16 09:11:18 <DocScrutinizer05> well, then make sure it also does a format of all empty blocks, or otherwise your data still lingers on in those
Jul 16 09:11:22 <kerio> yeah
Jul 16 09:11:28 <kerio> i think ubifs actually might
Jul 16 09:11:34 <kerio> for performance reasons
Jul 16 09:11:52 <kerio> (it's better to keep as many empty pages as possible)
Jul 16 09:11:56 <kerio> the emmc... yeah, your data is still there
Jul 16 09:12:03 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jul 16 09:12:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess you're actually right there
Jul 16 09:12:21 <Ashley`> whatever, it is not visible xD
Jul 16 09:12:24 <kerio> robbiethe1st should add a secure erase option to bm
Jul 16 09:12:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ubifs is additive write, optinmized for flash, afaik
Jul 16 09:12:55 <kerio> i think there's some kind of background process that erases unneeded pages after a while
Jul 16 09:12:56 <DocScrutinizer05> (secure erase) sonds kinda fine
Jul 16 09:12:56 <kerio> or something
Jul 16 09:13:05 <kerio> i guess you could just make a bigass file full of zeroes
Jul 16 09:13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jul 16 09:13:10 <kerio> although compression would fuck you over
Jul 16 09:13:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ...on background process
Jul 16 09:13:33 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Jul 16 09:13:52 <kerio> ok so
Jul 16 09:13:53 <kerio> touch a file
Jul 16 09:13:54 <DocScrutinizer05> for NAND you're basically screwed, unless you use special nand tools
Jul 16 09:13:55 <kerio> disable compression
Jul 16 09:14:02 <kerio> append zeroes
Jul 16 09:14:05 <DocScrutinizer05> nandtest for ex
Jul 16 09:14:16 <kerio> yeah but then you have to remake the ubifs file system
Jul 16 09:14:25 <Ashley`> can i uncompress that file on computer and not on n900?
Jul 16 09:14:32 <kerio> Ashley`: sure
Jul 16 09:14:37 <kerio> it's just a gzipped tarball
Jul 16 09:14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I just did
Jul 16 09:14:59 <DocScrutinizer05> err nope, I uncompressed it on a normal N900 computer ;-D
Jul 16 09:15:07 <Ashley`> i know i can uncompress it
Jul 16 09:15:14 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it's not compressed
Jul 16 09:15:22 <Ashley`> but can backupmenu read from not-compressed file?
Jul 16 09:15:24 <DocScrutinizer05> mine
Jul 16 09:15:33 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Jul 16 09:15:34 <Ashley`> you know, .tar, not .tar.gz
Jul 16 09:15:36 <Ashley`> oh
Jul 16 09:15:42 <Ashley`> then that'll speed things a bit
Jul 16 09:15:47 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jul 16 09:15:56 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why my files are so much larger
Jul 16 09:16:29 <DocScrutinizer05> and now I know why they are so old: I usually backup to uSD since 2011
Jul 16 09:54:26 <Ashley`> Mounting the RootFS... Clearing the RootFS... Restoring Rootfs with Tar :D
Jul 16 09:54:54 <Ashley`> some errors about timestamps from the future
Jul 16 09:54:57 <Ashley`> yay timetravel
Jul 16 10:05:05 <Ashley`> okay
Jul 16 10:05:20 <Ashley`> NOKIA - shutdown - NOKIA - shutdown
Jul 16 10:05:36 <Ashley`> but i clered emmc from backupmenu root console
Jul 16 10:06:00 <Ashley`> boot menu not booting~
Jul 16 10:06:06 <Ashley`> okay
Jul 16 10:06:11 <Ashley`> but it is clean now
Jul 16 11:27:51 <drathir> mornin...
Jul 16 11:32:13 <kerio> moin
Jul 16 12:08:51 <drathir> the n900 wifi antenna good read from schema is placed bottom the camera led's?
Jul 16 12:21:35 <Sicelo> question about wifi - for my work network, i have to use wpa_supplicant from cli becaue wlancond fails to connect. what can i do to reduce power consumption when using it this way?
Jul 16 12:26:26 <drathir> if nothing changed wlan power comsumption not works so good if good remember... i guess You could switch on the power_save mode in drivers and cut the rate of rx/tx power... butthats only my guess...
Jul 16 12:27:35 <Sicelo> with wpa_supplicant?
Jul 16 12:29:04 <drathir> sadly with that not much You can do i guess only leave network unsecure to little reduce power with encryption...
Jul 16 12:30:21 <drathir> Sicelo: but please wait a little for answer from ppl more know about that...
Jul 16 12:32:43 <Sicelo> hehe. i have zero control over the wifi network, and no one is interested in fixing it to let my N900 work. 
Jul 16 12:34:32 <drathir> Sicelo: You have any high security settings that wifi doesnt works with default setup?
Jul 16 12:35:36 <drathir> personally i would search why not want to connect in the default way...
Jul 16 12:37:10 <Sicelo> WPA2-PEAP-MSCHAPv2
Jul 16 12:37:48 <Sicelo> they have some problem with their certificate, but since 'veryone' can connect except me, no one bothers
Jul 16 12:38:01 <Sicelo> *everyone
Jul 16 12:52:30 <drathir> Sicelo: and that connection get any errors?
Jul 16 12:53:11 <drathir> Sicelo: advanced checked too?
Jul 16 12:58:05 <Sicelo> yes
Jul 16 13:53:44 <zGrr> moin :)
Jul 16 13:54:37 <Snafu777> 'Lo
Jul 16 14:43:08 <drathir> hi
Jul 16 14:50:21 <kerio> ~pali
Jul 16 14:50:22 <infobot> it has been said that pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/
Jul 16 15:26:34 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: I guess you can't do much to reduce power consumption of wpa_supplicant
Jul 16 15:27:37 <DocScrutinizer05> use zzztop or powertop to see how much CPU usage and how many IRQs from wlan you get while idle
Jul 16 15:28:37 <DocScrutinizer05> probably wpa_supplicant needs to decode *every* dang package no matter if addressed to you or to arbitrary other destination, just to make sure you receive the packages meant for you
Jul 16 15:29:47 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik you are moving part of the WLAN protocol stack out of WLAN chip and to main CPU when using wpa_supplicant
Jul 16 15:48:29 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: is any easy way to check wifi antenna in n900 than buying new one? pins cleaned...
Jul 16 15:48:53 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Jul 16 15:49:12 <DocScrutinizer05> check the C-springs
Jul 16 15:49:18 <DocScrutinizer05> on PCB
Jul 16 15:49:27 * drathir not sure if only antenna is damaged...
Jul 16 15:49:46 <drathir> ok thanks i find them and check too...
Jul 16 15:50:03 <DocScrutinizer05> antenna hardly can get damaged without clear externally visible scratches or cracks
Jul 16 15:50:21 <DocScrutinizer05> they are pushing on the antenna contact pads
Jul 16 15:50:56 <DocScrutinizer05> actually schaped like a V rather than a C
Jul 16 15:50:59 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: Yes have scratch that why i wish only antenna damaged...
Jul 16 15:51:15 <DocScrutinizer05> pretty likely
Jul 16 15:51:39 <DocScrutinizer05> get a new one
Jul 16 15:52:17 <drathir> need to check if that parts are expensive...
Jul 16 15:52:36 <DocScrutinizer05> when you got a dip-meter you can check resonance frequency of the antenna. You need to ground it via 50 Ohm for that, on one pad, and directly to ground on the other
Jul 16 15:52:59 <DocScrutinizer05> a few bucks, but not easy to find (spare antenna)
Jul 16 15:54:22 <DocScrutinizer05> or or try to fix the scratch. The antenna is made of metalized sticky paper glued to the plastic (I guess). A thin scratch probably can break the thin metal layer
Jul 16 16:02:21 <drathir> yes cu is undercovered with no black secure tape on it...
Jul 16 16:02:57 <drathir> gps/umts/3g works w/o problems
Jul 16 16:03:22 <drathir> but i guess its on the second one antenna...
Jul 16 16:07:39 <drathir> scratch is direct on the wifi connector pins position where case of phone ending and antenna become visable...
Jul 16 16:07:59 <drathir> http://allegro.pl/nowa-oryginalna-antena-gps-nokia-n900-poznan-fv23-i4412064835.html i guess that both of them...
Jul 16 16:08:31 <drathir> looks cheap... nots bad...
Jul 16 16:20:59 <drathir> oh and also almost forgot to ask some time ago i read on auction description something like that n900 common issue is also not working sd cards slot its true? honestly i first time see that...
Jul 16 17:39:19 <ShadowJK> (If I had intended for charger script log to be merged centrally I'd used syslog())
Jul 16 20:57:21 <M4rtinK> any reason N900 does not boot if the adapter is connected ?
Jul 16 21:05:04 <Sicelo> what adapter?
Jul 16 21:06:30 <M4rtinK> the original one
Jul 16 21:06:56 <Sicelo> by adapter you mean charger? 
Jul 16 21:07:08 <M4rtinK> yeah
Jul 16 21:07:46 <M4rtinK> oh, looks like it booted now
Jul 16 21:07:55 <Sicelo> you might have to blacklist some charger module somewhere.. i never had that problem, but there was a time when certain KP had those issues
Jul 16 21:08:02 <M4rtinK> seems I had to let it charge a bit first
Jul 16 21:08:15 <Sicelo> ah.. your battery was too flat :)
Jul 16 21:08:49 <M4rtinK> well, one would thing this is not a problem when the charger is connected
Jul 16 21:08:56 <M4rtinK> I guess it is not that simple :)
Jul 16 21:25:14 <ult> mine boots successfully approximately half of the times with usb cable connected. judging by syslog it goes into ACT_DEAD the other half.
Jul 16 21:26:46 <ult> but i have g_nokia inserted from rcS-late and maybe percentage of charge left affects bme decision somehow. KP50
Jul 16 21:42:18 <sixwheeledbeast> ~flatbattrecover
Jul 16 21:42:47 <sixwheeledbeast> ~flatbatrecover
Jul 16 21:42:47 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.
Jul 16 21:42:56 <sixwheeledbeast> ah, one t :)
Jul 16 21:47:07 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: BTW, I think I fixed that logging bug
Jul 16 21:48:33 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: great I'll be testing it when it's released. planning on doing a lot of walking/cycling for the next month or so.
Jul 16 21:48:42 <M4rtinK> in related news the routing data repository has been updated: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1433062&postcount=1610
Jul 16 21:49:17 <M4rtinK> check the post for a nice example of a 3000 km route computed on device with the 6 GB Europe-car dataset :)
Jul 16 21:50:26 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: you will be soon able to - I'm sending it to autobuilder now :)
Jul 16 21:51:44 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: :) I need to look at getting offline routing working too, so I will be playing with that also.
Jul 16 21:52:24 <M4rtinK> I'd like to eventually make it easier to use
Jul 16 21:52:53 <M4rtinK> mainly regarding downloading the data packs - it should be possible to do it directly from modRana
Jul 16 21:57:19 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: ok, should be built :)
Jul 16 21:58:07 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: I agree about making it easier to use.
Jul 16 21:58:39 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: Great, but don't expect me to go walking at this time of night :P
Jul 16 21:58:52 <M4rtinK> bah :D
Jul 16 22:05:25 <M4rtinK> looking forward to your feedback :)
Jul 16 22:05:34 <M4rtinK> and good night :)
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