**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 19 03:00:00 2014 Jul 19 03:24:20 actually cssu is no kernel update at all Jul 19 03:26:44 unless that changed recently Jul 19 08:31:58 chem|st: are you aware that bugs.maemo.org has problems with SSL certificates and is unusable? If yes, what is the progress on that, if any? Jul 19 08:32:55 chem|st: asking you, as I was told it is HiFo's job to take care about it, correct me if I got it wrong Jul 19 09:45:07 hey , need help with superblock corruption of usb stick. Jul 19 13:01:23 DocScrutinizer05, btw any news on openmoko I havent booted my freerunner for years now Jul 19 13:05:40 well, I guess that's the wrong channel. Anyway I'm not up to date what the various distros and their developers do. I know dos1 has recently done some work on SHR Jul 19 13:06:12 maybe /join #opemoko-cdevel Jul 19 13:11:56 i have the script indicated here: https://github.com/trapd00r/configs-n900/blob/master/etc/network/if-down.d/mc-await-disconnect-script Jul 19 13:12:17 is this a 'stock' script? does everyone have it? Jul 19 15:35:46 hmm any known applications for youtube that actually work? tried 2, both hang on playing video or crash Jul 19 15:43:41 TheOnlyJoey|desk: cutetube? http://maemo.org/packages/view/cutetube/ Jul 19 15:45:03 arcean, already tried, not working, i tried everything from the app repository, all broken Jul 19 15:45:15 waaat Jul 19 15:45:18 works fine here Jul 19 15:45:30 tried version from extras-devel? Jul 19 15:47:46 arcean, i guess its from extras-devel? it could not find any video's Jul 19 15:49:35 arcean, i got version 1.9.1 should i try the QML version? Jul 19 15:49:43 hmm nope Jul 19 15:49:47 enable extras-devel Jul 19 15:50:04 update to 1.10.3 and then disable -devel repo Jul 19 15:50:06 TheOnlyJoey|desk: cutetube definitely works. 1.10.3 Jul 19 15:50:18 hmm k Jul 19 15:52:23 QML version isn't updated AFAIK Jul 19 16:04:13 hmm i guess there is no option to alter the quality? 240p is hurting my ears Jul 19 16:05:41 Hello, about qml - anyone experienced that modrana qml does not loading maps? Jul 19 16:42:41 Hey everyone! Sometime earlier this week I was asking for help with my N900's GPS lock problem. I have been running the Location Test app in different places (outdoors mostly) and witnessed that the carrier to noise density ratio for satellites is _always_ at 6 dBHz. However the satellites list does update all the time so it does see / hear them but no lock whatsoever. Jul 19 16:45:16 Ras_Older: did you try to disable a-gps? Jul 19 16:46:12 The time and date is correct too. I have tried enabling mobile connection to boost the signal as someone told me to try it out but no cigar here so far.. Is there anything left to try or should I just give up? No there is no practical reason for me to get it working but I just wanted to dwell into this to learn about it. Yes the AGPS is disabled atm. When its enabled I get rough +300m radius location its almost everytime the local cell tower. Jul 19 16:56:19 spoofy: I use the GTK version on N900 Jul 19 16:58:34 Ras_Older: well with AGPS on you should get a "course accuracy" GPS and then after about a minute outside you should get "fine accuracy" GPS. Jul 19 16:59:42 whereas with AGPS off you can hang about for upto 30 minutes or more waiting for GPS to lock. Jul 19 17:00:20 Normally in the van it takes about 8-9 minutes to lock with A-GPS off. Jul 19 17:00:21 sixwheeledbeast: where did you get that number from? Jul 19 17:00:37 experience Jul 19 17:00:45 Well currently two hours outside without AGPS. I am monitoring the signal level over VNC and they have stayed at 6 dBHz. Jul 19 17:01:28 sixwheeledbeast: you "only" need 13 minutes Jul 19 17:01:42 with plain gps Jul 19 17:04:07 sixwheeledbeast: qml version seems to be nice and fast. Jul 19 17:04:34 but it's not loading maps Jul 19 17:04:35 dunno why Jul 19 17:05:16 well that's not what I have found, out in the field. It happens occasionally where I get no lock for a least 30 minutes. Jul 19 17:05:46 spoofy: any output if run from terminal? Jul 19 17:06:18 sixwheeledbeast: antenna problem? Jul 19 17:07:43 Humpelstilzchen: possibly, it has never been a big enough issue for me to investigate. Woul Jul 19 17:08:00 Would anything else cause that? Jul 19 17:09:40 well to get a fix without any prior data you need information from the satellites that is periodically send over about 13 minutes, if some bits are missing you need to wait longer Jul 19 17:12:51 maybe this is the case then. Jul 19 17:13:45 btw don't hold the n900 in your hand if you need to get a fix ;) Jul 19 17:14:26 yep, n900 gps chip is old and doesn't have good algorithms for getting initial fix Jul 19 17:14:53 so it takes a while Jul 19 17:15:23 my old navigation thingy is the same Jul 19 17:16:48 I now enabled the AGPS with supl.nokia.com since the supl.google.com never seems to get a fix for me. I have the certman updated too. The N900 now got a cell tower location again but nothing on the GPS side as the signal levels are still non existent basically. Jul 19 17:21:34 Ras_Older: well maybe it is a aerial issue like mentioned above. Jul 19 17:23:11 Ras_Older: this is the aerial part http://www.klc.fi/fin/images/264805.gif Jul 19 17:25:40 Ah yes. Going to keep it running for an another hour just to be sure and then call it quits. So guys how is the Neo900 going? Starting to feel like getting a new toy soon :) Jul 19 17:29:33 it's going well, go donate ;-) Jul 19 17:31:53 I'll do just that the first thing I get my own finances sorted out :'D Jul 19 17:32:34 yeah, having that problem too... Jul 19 17:32:51 sixwheeledbeast: I'll paste it later Jul 19 17:55:56 Humpelstilzchen: 2*13min = 26min ~=30min. sounds absolutely correct. with much bad luck two dropouts after 12 and 24 minutes garble same databits of almanac, and you will need a third 13min round to get a complete dataset without dropouts Jul 19 18:04:24 do you need the full almanac data in one go, or can it piece it together? Jul 19 18:08:03 of course you can get redundancy from multiple receptions Jul 19 18:09:00 thus I said "with bad luck you have two dropouts in two turns on *the same* data bits..." Jul 19 18:15:18 ah, a see. sorry I read that differently Jul 19 18:15:55 the dataformat has already some code spreading and forward error correction, so short dropouts shouldn't hurt. However all this can also aonly handly a certain amount of dropouts/noise during iĀ“one 13min dataset Jul 19 18:16:23 also only handle* Jul 19 18:20:14 there's a really excellent website explaining the technical aspects (really all of them) Jul 19 18:21:39 http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html Jul 19 18:22:30 >>If you link to or cite these materials, please credit the author, Peter H. Dana, The Geographer's Craft Project, Department of Geography, The University of Colorado at Boulder.<< Jul 19 18:22:56 kudos to this guy Jul 19 18:32:38 http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gif/databits.gif Jul 19 18:44:32 however you don't really need the almanac data to get a fix. You could as well be lucky and find the right encoding and doppler etc by mere try&error (you=chip) Jul 19 18:45:38 which *should* be faster than 12min usually, aiui. At least on modern chips with many correlators Jul 19 18:47:58 with almanac however you can pick the richt encoding aka SV and doppler etc instantly and thus get a first fix relatively fast (10..20s) - or you have an incorrect almanac or an incorrect time setting or corse location estimation and search the 8 wrong channels for hours without ever finding a signal Jul 19 18:48:38 s/richt/right/ Jul 19 18:48:42 DocScrutinizer05 meant: with almanac however you can pick the right encoding aka SV and doppler etc instantly and thus get a first fix relatively fast (10..20s) - or you have an incorrect almanac or an incorrect time setting or corse location estimation and search the 8 wrong ch... Jul 19 18:50:42 note that every SV sends its own ephemeral data in each set of 5 frames during 30s, so after 30s the chip has enough data to do a fix, after it found 3 sats Jul 19 18:51:38 for time it needs max 30s after finding first SV Jul 19 18:52:32 though that time "isn't accurate" yet, it still has an offset depending on receiver<->SV distance Jul 19 18:53:24 but actually I have no clue how GPS works. Rather ask somebody who does: SpeedEvil **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 20 03:00:00 2014