**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 26 03:00:00 2014 Jul 26 10:04:18 goldkatze: expenses: ~0, coverage: 80%, donation link: none existing since I discontinued my offer to use my private PP on behalf of HiFo which has a fsckdup PP and bank account Jul 26 10:05:07 "So in order to donate, you go to … and …"? :-) Jul 26 10:07:55 this is a problem ... what about using bitcoin ? Jul 26 10:20:21 DocScrutinizer05: is the HiFo PP still frozen? Jul 26 10:46:42 seems so Jul 26 10:48:17 I asked HiFo (chemist) two or three times what to tell when somebody asks what goldkatze just asked. Answer always been absolute silence Jul 26 10:49:20 seems HiFo thinks that any questions or rquests form council are irrelevant to them Jul 26 10:49:51 Alright, well -- would be neat to just publish plain wire transfer information of some account within the EU, as most people should be able to just use that. iban, bic, settled. Jul 26 10:50:09 DocScrutinizer05, which requests ? Jul 26 10:50:12 previous mc ? Jul 26 10:50:15 there is no such account Jul 26 10:51:13 rZr: you recall the "you're not in the position to do any requests" ? Jul 26 10:51:56 was you refering to mc or yourself ? Jul 26 10:52:08 eh? Jul 26 10:52:48 the you in "you're not ..." Jul 26 10:53:06 ask chemist, he uttered that nonsense Jul 26 10:53:24 as far as i know , the new council did not make any request to hifo Jul 26 10:53:32 so? Jul 26 10:53:37 maybe some councilors did Jul 26 10:53:56 but it's different technically speaking Jul 26 10:55:40 I really don't know what in a HiFo member telling a council member "you're not in the position to do any requests" needs further discussion about what might be the meaning of such statement Jul 26 10:56:45 particularly when said council member in previous line comlained that mails to HiFo about helping to sort IRC GC issues got ignored by HiFo Jul 26 11:00:55 to me that boils down to a crystal clear statement from HiFo "whatever request maemo council sends to HiFo, HiFo simply will ignore the mail and move it to spam folder, since (parts of) council are "not in a position do do any requests' and thus ignoring is the correct way to handle mail from council to HiFo" Jul 26 11:01:27 s/do do/to do/ Jul 26 11:01:32 DocScrutinizer05 meant: to me that boils down to a crystal clear statement from HiFo "whatever request maemo council sends to HiFo, HiFo simply will ignore the mail and move it to spam folder, since (parts of) council are "not in a position to do any requests' and thus ignoring ... Jul 26 11:04:53 up to anybody's guess how this determines my relation to HiFo and my motivation to do hours of work to sort problems, just to see the results of such efforts getting ignored by HiFo Jul 26 11:05:15 well may i ask hifo clarification on interactions between hifo and mc ? Jul 26 11:05:21 could be a topic Jul 26 11:05:25 for next meeting Jul 26 11:05:38 tbh I am completely fed up with this already Jul 26 11:05:57 it's not the first time I got such answer Jul 26 11:05:58 but something should be done right ? Jul 26 11:09:19 see some dozen lines above: I asked about "how to donate to maemo?" at least 3 times, answer been silence (aka ) - also an answer, same answer Jul 26 11:13:02 instead of an answer, I receive flames and bashing by spreading nonsense and utter lies about what I allegedly done Jul 26 11:13:26 what about using bitcoin account Jul 26 11:13:32 maybe easier to setup Jul 26 11:13:40 but who will keep the keys ? Jul 26 11:14:04 *I* will NOT support or recommend any such move Jul 26 11:14:15 just an idea Jul 26 11:15:35 either HiFo owns such bitcoin account and we will see more money dumped into black holes where it never again shows up, or somebody else owns the account and receives threatening by HiFo about nonsense like tax evasion and even money laundry (ROTFL) Jul 26 11:19:29 and actually maemo doesn't really need any money currently, since everybody is doing pro bono work, even IPHH been willing to collocate the server for free and it been Rob of HiFo who insisted in a contract, so IPHH had to write some amount into such contract. Otherwise our colocating service would have been for free and not cost a 100some bucks per year Jul 26 11:20:51 current colo is paid till march 2015 afaik Jul 26 11:22:54 hw extensions (like external (USB) HDDs for keeping images off site) that techstaff+coucil suggested to HiFo... guess what happened to them! Right, you guessed it, they got ignored. Jul 26 11:23:47 and the vbulletin forum ? Jul 26 11:23:55 that's paid Jul 26 11:24:14 until ? Jul 26 11:24:25 that'sm a software, no service Jul 26 11:24:53 so "until the bits decay" Jul 26 11:25:48 the only expense is for HiFo keeping itself alive Jul 26 11:26:20 and ~100bucks / anno for the colocation, thanks to Rob insisting in a written contract Jul 26 11:30:47 and what we would need is a decent wildcard SSL cert, but that's not only a question of payment but also a problem since we're not owning the domain, so we cannot get such SSL cert for the domain Jul 26 11:31:27 such cert would cost ~100bucks per anno Jul 26 11:33:36 but getting it would again need HiFo coordinating with Nokia dnsmaster so HiFo would pay it, Nokia would receive it and then send it to HiFo which in turn could send it to sysops for it getting installed to the servers. And guess what.... Jul 26 11:36:32 techstaff did a botch makeshift and installed free SSL certs (no wildcard) that I registered at startssl. Again guess what! Of course, I received bashing from chemist why *I* did this Jul 26 11:37:14 who THE F*** ELSE? Jul 26 11:40:47 oh, there are 12EUR/a for scratchbox.org domain. I'm currently paying those from my kitty, since HiFo since 6 months isn't capable to start a KK request to take over ownership for that domain Jul 26 11:41:55 and I meanwhile refuse to do any help beyond nodding off the transfer. I'm fed up with all that bickering Jul 26 11:44:27 in iirc 10 months the current 1 year term of scratchbox.org expires and I simply won't extend it. I don't care what happens to that domain then Jul 26 11:46:29 Registry Expiry Date: 2019-09-08T16:25:02Z -- but that doesn't reflect the annual payment to ODN for hosting it Jul 26 11:46:59 hi Jul 26 11:47:03 hi jonwil Jul 26 11:47:58 I cant believe how my N900 is still going strong, those things are very rugged pieces of hardware assuming you treat the USB port right and it doesn't break there :) Jul 26 11:48:50 yup :-) Jul 26 11:49:30 there are just two failure patterns - both notorious and nasty: USB and "No SIM" Jul 26 11:50:11 about ssl , is cacert an option ? Jul 26 11:51:14 the one can get handled by being caeful and possibly doing ~usbfix, the other is probably triggered by pressing on hw kbd and thus bending the PCB. The harder you press keys, the more likely the BGA solder joints of BB5 modem and companion chips pop open Jul 26 11:51:51 rZr: (option) the problem is that owner of maemo.org domain is Nokia -> whois maemo.org Jul 26 11:53:05 would hacking /etc/hosts maemo.org to an ip community supported ? Jul 26 11:53:07 after weeks of investiggation I'm pretty certain about the fact that *no* CA is willing to issue a wildcard cert to "us" as long as we're not registrar of that domain Jul 26 11:53:31 well wont work Jul 26 11:53:42 forget what i said Jul 26 11:54:03 selfsig is not an option too ? Jul 26 11:54:34 we had that before we went with free per-server-certs from startssl Jul 26 11:55:20 but selfsigned certs are not accepted by any browser, unless you create an exception Jul 26 11:55:38 and recently it got even worse Jul 26 11:55:43 on browser side Jul 26 12:47:55 I just wish I could get the inspiration to do more with my N900 than use it to check my email, make phone calls, talk on Skype and play games Jul 26 12:48:04 i.e. do cool stuff with it again Jul 26 13:11:22 cacert is also as good as self-signed certs, on os x and windows Jul 26 13:12:01 hmm? Jul 26 13:12:25 you say it's worthless? Jul 26 13:12:55 it's not in the mozilla trust store Jul 26 13:13:07 distros like debian have to add it manually Jul 26 13:13:15 well, then it's basically worthless indeed Jul 26 13:14:31 but at least those ones can be added to system Jul 26 13:14:53 i am able to create cacert certs for my domains Jul 26 13:15:20 wont help a lot but it could be something to document Jul 26 16:08:39 Good morning. So I installed scratchbox last night, and i cannot find dh_make. debhelper is installed, so what gives? Jul 26 16:08:42 ~debhelper Jul 26 16:08:48 debhelper is, like, a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. Jul 26 16:11:32 is there a reason why dh_* type stuff exists, but not dh_make?? Jul 26 18:24:58 who said ovi maps doesn't start at all? Right, it doesn't for me as well, when clicking on an address in contacts Jul 26 18:26:40 this function to locate an address in maps been broken since long time (>1year) such that it showed a location kilometers away from what you searched for. And now it's completely dead Jul 26 18:27:26 starting OVI maps from menu however still works Jul 26 18:28:11 and even search works once it started Jul 26 18:28:31 which is quite strange when you think about it Jul 26 18:34:59 new tiles don't download though Jul 26 18:35:45 and the function to translate coordinates to address (as used for instance by location-test) is broken, but that may be not related to ovi maps Jul 26 18:37:48 is that one in some closed component, by the way? Jul 26 18:51:20 dos1: nokia location daemon Jul 26 18:51:47 and iirc yes it is closed, dbus api is available (somewhere) Jul 26 19:43:59 dos1: dns name for map tiles changed .. Jul 26 19:44:46 maps are still available .. i forgot the new link (but Ovi Suite on Windows 'knows' it) Jul 26 19:45:33 dns name should be quite easy to patch in the binary, shouldn't it? Jul 26 19:46:00 or at the worst case - /etc/hosts Jul 26 19:46:15 oh the joy of working with mapping and location related APIs :) Jul 26 19:46:23 one has something to fix all the time :) Jul 26 19:46:40 DocScrutinizer05: on mine Ovi Maps does start from contacts (tested just now). Of course, the location is always way off Jul 26 19:46:47 I have actually fixed a changed URL for one map layer in modRana just today :) Jul 26 22:20:44 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jul 26 22:32:29 anyone know how much the cost of creating one n900 device was ? Jul 26 22:33:36 I'm just curious if making a hardware keyboard is more expensive than a high quality screen **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 27 03:00:00 2014