**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 10 02:59:59 2014 Aug 10 07:14:03 Hello world, just wondering if anyone here could give me a number to expect to charge a N900 from flat to bootable ? Aug 10 07:14:50 * DarkFox has had an N900 charging for a good 5-10 minutes now and not booting... Not sure the exact power given from my laptop but I haven't had this issue with my other N900 [when that worked]. Aug 10 07:15:45 ~flatbatrecovery Aug 10 07:16:04 hrmpf Aug 10 07:16:06 ~flatbattrecover Aug 10 07:16:14 ~ping Aug 10 07:16:14 ~flatbatrecover Aug 10 07:16:14 ~pong Aug 10 07:16:15 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) Aug 10 07:16:19 got it Aug 10 07:16:23 ;) Aug 10 07:16:48 Hehe Aug 10 07:16:49 Sweet Aug 10 07:16:52 Thanks guys Aug 10 07:16:54 I shall try this Aug 10 07:17:05 * DarkFox was trying different batteries; but wallcharger... Let me find that ;) Aug 10 07:18:55 Wait; I see amber light now with USB; didn't have this before. Aug 10 07:19:00 Should I just leave it with USB power ? Aug 10 07:19:20 * DarkFox did find the charger :P Aug 10 07:20:52 Swapped over Aug 10 07:21:01 * DarkFox leaves it for 30 minutes Aug 10 07:21:27 * DarkFox sets up a backup battery (N95 + it's charger) Aug 10 07:21:40 DarkFox: it will barely charge via usb during emergency charging Aug 10 07:21:45 it's like 100mA Aug 10 07:22:03 the wallcharger (in emergency charging) charges 250mA Aug 10 07:22:53 kerio: I've switched, so charger is active; I'm just about to plug in my N95 to the UPS as well. Aug 10 07:23:12 N95 = great backup N900 charger... As proven with my first N900 whose USB port is dead. Aug 10 07:23:43 I'd soldier it back on - if the screws weren't butchered. Aug 10 07:23:53 Hence I have 2 :) Aug 10 07:24:07 Beep -> Naww, just the N95 :C Lol Aug 10 07:25:01 ~/n900 >> flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u Aug 10 07:25:03 Error reading FIASCO header: Success Aug 10 07:25:29 > Not finished downloading; ignore that. Error still misleading Aug 10 07:26:41 * DarkFox lets phone charge and image download. Aug 10 07:26:46 * DarkFox goes afk. Thanks kerio Aug 10 07:30:12 ~bootloop Aug 10 07:30:12 it has been said that bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. Aug 10 07:30:45 Back Aug 10 07:31:07 ~rescueOS Aug 10 07:31:07 rumour has it, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 10 07:31:19 Nice Aug 10 07:32:16 Sicelo: can't even load rescueos if the battery's too low Aug 10 07:33:15 yes, i am aware. my N900 is fine ;) Aug 10 07:36:06 but of course, it is BME which 'rushes' to shut the device down, so you actually can load rescueOS when the battery is less than BME Threshold (3248mV, right?), but as long as it is above 3000mV Aug 10 07:51:45 ~/n900 >> sudo flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode Aug 10 07:51:58 ^ While holding 'u' when trying to power it on. Shouldn't this simply work? Aug 10 07:53:29 Bus 003 Device 025: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) Aug 10 07:53:33 lsusb ^ Aug 10 07:54:54 why you want rd-mode by the way? Aug 10 07:55:31 Sicelo: Trying to test communication to the phone currently; soon to reflash it. Aug 10 07:55:48 the best way to get into flashing mode is to start the flasher before connecting the device Aug 10 07:55:52 It's been a couple of years since I last used this. Aug 10 07:56:03 Sicelo: Yea... That's what I'm trying :) Aug 10 07:56:16 -i, --read-device-id Print out the device type Aug 10 07:56:29 ~/n900 >> flasher-3.5 -i Aug 10 07:56:30 flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) Aug 10 07:56:30 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Aug 10 07:56:34 * DarkFox boots phone while holding 'u' Aug 10 07:56:48 "Nokia" Aug 10 07:56:52 No usb symbol Aug 10 07:57:01 i must say i'm also no longer too sure about the 'u' thing (my device has only been flashed once in its entire life) .. but i don't remember needing to use "u" key Aug 10 07:57:03 Erm Aug 10 07:57:38 Worked this time; didn't before. and forgot to run this as root this time; so... device is busy now... Aug 10 07:58:24 Trying again Aug 10 07:58:26 :P Aug 10 07:58:50 Nope... Aug 10 07:59:43 Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Aug 10 08:04:38 ~busy Aug 10 08:04:45 ~resourcebusy Aug 10 08:04:46 :P Aug 10 08:05:21 modprobe -r cdc_phonet Aug 10 08:05:21 Yay Aug 10 08:05:48 yay Aug 10 08:07:00 Download ETA 30 seconds... Aug 10 08:08:44 Flashing kernel Aug 10 08:08:48 but why Aug 10 08:08:49 Sending rootfs Aug 10 08:08:50 ^,^ Aug 10 08:09:08 kerio: This second N900 of mine was (also) 2nd hand and the previous owner forgot the pin. Aug 10 08:09:12 And so; reflash to fix :P Aug 10 08:09:13 i see Aug 10 08:09:51 Got the first N900 for $120 off eBay couple years back; this second one for $35 from the local LUG here. :D Aug 10 08:10:18 Rebooting! \o/ Aug 10 08:10:29 Kernel infos in green on white \o/ Aug 10 08:11:10 * DarkFox hugs N900 Aug 10 08:11:12 Works :D Aug 10 08:11:12 \o/ Aug 10 08:11:23 DUDE DON'T HUG THE N900 WHILE THE USB CABLE IS CONNECTED Aug 10 08:11:24 JEEZ Aug 10 08:11:28 This dot animation :P Aug 10 08:11:34 Lol Aug 10 08:11:46 Long long animation Aug 10 08:11:50 * DarkFox deosn't remember it taking this long Aug 10 08:12:19 Also, second reason to flashing is complementary to being 2nd hand; who knows what the previous owner had on the phone. Could have spyware or private data. Aug 10 08:12:22 Gone Aug 10 08:12:29 Not that the image I pushed would preserve /home... Aug 10 08:12:31 Oh well Aug 10 08:12:32 :P Aug 10 08:12:49 Erm Aug 10 08:13:03 kerio: To get rid of the pin; must I reflash the entire device? D: Aug 10 08:13:21 Just flashed it 'RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin' but pin still active... Aug 10 08:13:36 ~pincode Aug 10 08:13:40 ~pin Aug 10 08:13:41 somebody said pin was $1 laughs as darkfox gets $1 in a headlock while screaming 'Say Uncle!' Aug 10 08:13:50 * DarkFox facepaw Aug 10 08:14:16 !pin kerio Aug 10 08:14:18 ~pin kerio Aug 10 08:14:19 * infobot laughs as darkfox gets kerio in a headlock, screaming 'Say Uncle!' Aug 10 08:14:23 Lol Aug 10 08:15:08 :D Aug 10 08:15:10 ~lockcode Aug 10 08:15:10 lockcode is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 Aug 10 08:15:25 How fun Aug 10 08:16:00 ssh kinda not doable atm :D Aug 10 08:16:24 DarkFox: yeah it wasn't a good idea tbh Aug 10 08:16:30 anyway, you just need rescueOS Aug 10 08:16:33 and you can easily crack the pin Aug 10 08:16:36 by reading CAL Aug 10 08:16:43 Oh? Aug 10 08:16:47 RescueOS sounds useful ;) Aug 10 08:16:51 ~rescueos Aug 10 08:16:52 methinks rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 10 08:16:54 you need to read CAL Aug 10 08:17:01 aka /dev/mtd2? Aug 10 08:17:17 kerio: Sounds like booting from SD card? Aug 10 08:17:22 nah, usb Aug 10 08:17:28 Oh Aug 10 08:17:30 Via flasher? Aug 10 08:17:40 yep Aug 10 08:17:42 you just load it Aug 10 08:17:43 http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/documentation.txt Aug 10 08:17:44 :) Aug 10 08:17:52 Sweet Aug 10 08:18:05 TINY RESCUE DOWNLOAD FASTER :D Aug 10 08:18:11 ETA: 1 minute Aug 10 08:21:53 "No initfs \o/" - N900 Aug 10 08:21:55 Wow Aug 10 08:25:21 ~/n900 >> sudo flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n rescueOS-1.1.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" Aug 10 08:25:24 kerio: This look right? Aug 10 08:25:33 Method is not supported in the current mode Aug 10 08:25:35 SU_VERIFY_COMMS_REQ timed out. Aug 10 08:28:42 Getting the same problem with -i now Aug 10 08:28:46 flasher not working :/ Aug 10 08:29:19 Think I got it to work now Aug 10 08:29:20 Yay Aug 10 08:29:40 kerio: Powered off phone, removed battery; now I have rescue; thanks. :) Aug 10 08:35:22 ~/n900 >> john -format:DES -i:digits lock-code Aug 10 08:35:59 * DarkFox waits Aug 10 08:40:40 Loaded 1 password hash (Traditional DES [128/128 BS SSE2-16]) Aug 10 08:40:40 guesses: 0 time: 0:00:00:38 DONE (Sun Aug 10 18:40:10 2014) c/s: 2880K trying: 83593867 - 83536784 Aug 10 08:40:43 ~/n900 >> john -show lock-code Aug 10 08:40:44 0 password hashes cracked, 1 left Aug 10 08:40:45 :/ Aug 10 08:42:36 If this doesn't work; I'm gonna edit it so it uses something that someone else already cracked :P Aug 10 08:43:37 don't edit /dev/mtd devices directly Aug 10 08:44:28 kerio: Naww ;) Aug 10 08:44:35 :] Aug 10 08:44:42 root:vFPJSgPXY5G7o: Aug 10 08:44:46 What am I doing wrong ^ Aug 10 08:44:47 :P Aug 10 08:45:38 WAIT Aug 10 08:45:43 What... Aug 10 08:45:48 WAIt Aug 10 08:45:51 what? Aug 10 08:45:58 My N900 decided to partiall load the firstboot setup Aug 10 08:46:01 But then it rebooted Aug 10 08:46:02 o_0 Aug 10 08:46:20 friday night, another round of shots Aug 10 08:46:24 TURN DOWN FOR WHAT Aug 10 08:47:07 what what what Aug 10 08:47:17 * DarkFox loading rescue again Aug 10 08:47:28 * DarkFox looked away from his computer to look back to see it was done already :P Aug 10 08:51:20 * Luke-Jr wonders how to interpret http://jsfiddle.net/eM2Mg/3837/embedded/result/ Aug 10 08:53:19 Evil typo in the FP vs PF Aug 10 09:02:00 Luke-Jr: Good question Aug 10 09:02:26 Anyhow; thanks again kerio ^,^ Aug 10 09:07:37 kerio: How difficult do you think it would be to have an sd card in my other N900 (broken usb port) to turn the wifi or bluetooth into a remote loader? :3 Aug 10 09:11:23 I think it might be a fun project after I end up playing with nanobsd on this phone :P Aug 10 09:14:22 * DarkFox 's booted phone doesn't charge... Hmmm Aug 10 09:15:30 Looks like it's fine now that I've removed the battery :) Aug 10 09:16:00 wait, it's charging without the battery? Aug 10 09:16:05 how does that work? Aug 10 09:16:13 Luke-Jr: Removed, and reinserted* Aug 10 09:16:36 ah ok Aug 10 09:16:38 :P Aug 10 09:16:39 :D Aug 10 09:17:09 * DarkFox had to just john --show lock-code ;) Aug 10 09:17:21 * DarkFox should change it :D Aug 10 09:17:41 Charging \o/ Aug 10 09:17:43 :D Aug 10 09:18:44 * DarkFox should have setup usbnetworking+ftp in that rescueos... passphrase for wifi is crazy long and well... random :D Aug 10 09:59:52 ~rescueos Aug 10 09:59:52 hmm... rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 10 10:06:56 DarkFox: there's usb networking and ftp Aug 10 10:07:03 kerio: I'm trying that :P Aug 10 10:07:35 kerio: What commands on my host system to even get this? :D Aug 10 10:07:51 I like it's scripts that it has itself... But need a host script :P Aug 10 10:08:20 anyway, you should've installed uboot on the n900 with the broken usb Aug 10 10:08:33 kerio: Indeed Aug 10 10:08:35 kerio: Too late now Aug 10 10:08:38 I was going to Aug 10 10:08:39 now it's too risky Aug 10 10:08:40 And then it broke Aug 10 10:08:41 :C Aug 10 10:10:29 kerio: After running the scripts in the rescue os... Aug 10 10:10:38 kerio: How to get it to connect to my lan? :P Aug 10 10:12:40 Or at least; let my host connect to it's ftp :P Aug 10 11:09:44 DarkFox: ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.42 up Aug 10 12:15:08 only if your local LAN isn't already on 192.168.2.x Aug 10 12:16:31 * DocScrutinizer51 ultimately instructs to use 192.168.51.51 for N900 USB IP *only* Aug 10 12:20:33 or use some private ipv6 prefix Aug 10 12:20:33 when you try to ifup a NIC with an IP in range of already established network, you're begging for trouble Aug 10 12:20:34 kerio: Yea, that wasn't it; I did get it a while back. Aug 10 12:21:14 It gives me two interfaces (on my host) I just had to assign myself an ip and setup the route on the virtual ethernet (not the peer-to-peer,noarp device which I first tried) Aug 10 12:21:24 hi Pali - long time no see! :)) Aug 10 12:21:25 kerio: But yea; thanks anyway. :) Aug 10 12:21:29 * DarkFox likes the rescueOS :D Aug 10 12:21:36 hi! Aug 10 12:21:48 Hai! Aug 10 12:21:50 good to see you aeround Aug 10 12:22:23 maemo isn't same without you Aug 10 12:24:00 * DarkFox wonders if anyone has a minimal nanobsd image that works on the N900? Aug 10 12:24:47 BSD? Why would you use that? :) Aug 10 12:24:51 wgat for? Aug 10 12:25:13 jon_y: Because it's a great system? Aug 10 12:25:18 GPL4evar! Aug 10 12:25:41 errrr forgetit Aug 10 12:25:51 DocScrutinizer51: Nice base system that I could use for testing a custom operating system that I intend to design. Aug 10 12:26:05 Or rather, I've designed most of it; and would like to use the N900 as a test platform. :P Aug 10 12:26:22 ~fptf Aug 10 12:26:23 [fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Aug 10 12:26:49 also about freeing fremantle Aug 10 12:27:07 What's this? Aug 10 12:27:17 there's a reason for some of the closed blobs Aug 10 12:27:54 Indeed Aug 10 12:28:18 BSD is the last thing I think of when Freedom is involved :) Aug 10 12:28:22 maemo is as free as it gets already, nothing a bsd could do better Aug 10 12:28:30 jon_y: Why? Aug 10 12:28:35 at least proprietory software is up front about it Aug 10 12:28:36 jon_y: BSD is more free.. Aug 10 12:28:43 BSD is enabler of proprietary Aug 10 12:28:55 jon_y: Enables, but it is less restrictive. Aug 10 12:29:08 Simplier and you don't need to be a lawyer to read the license. Aug 10 12:29:12 exactly, it is poisonous to Free software Aug 10 12:29:23 because it doesn't stay Free Aug 10 12:29:26 No it doesn't... Aug 10 12:29:45 personally, I don't consider BSD Free software Aug 10 12:30:06 but nvm me, I'm starting to rant Aug 10 12:30:29 Please; no license wars... BSD is an open source license. FreeBSD is an operating system where basically everything is licensed BSD. This allows you to create something propritary (such as sony's playstation) without the requirement to return the code. Aug 10 12:30:45 Even in Sony's case, they do send code back to the community. Aug 10 12:30:46 Apple too. Aug 10 12:30:49 please no os wars here Aug 10 12:30:58 DocScrutinizer51: License even. Aug 10 12:31:06 no os wars, just license wars Aug 10 12:31:10 Lol Aug 10 12:31:15 jon_y: None of this either! Aug 10 12:31:41 pssh Apple Aug 10 12:31:46 or Sony Aug 10 12:31:51 on N900 fremantle with powerkernel is best you can get regarding support for all hw and openness as well Aug 10 12:31:54 jon_y: BSD is more free (less restrictive) then GPL. Aug 10 12:32:07 jon_y: Fact is over. Aug 10 12:32:07 if they're sending back code then there is no problem with GPL Aug 10 12:32:29 nope, it is less Free because it does not protect Freedom at all Aug 10 12:32:42 jon_y: GPL is a problem with licensing... It puts restraints on anyone who wants to do anything with it. Aug 10 12:32:57 Hassle and can lead to ugly legal issues. Aug 10 12:33:10 please move it to #bsd Aug 10 12:33:13 jon_y: IF you want to continue the license war then please /msg me Aug 10 12:33:19 sure Aug 10 12:33:22 DocScrutinizer51: Hell no, jon_y would probally get kicked Aug 10 12:33:27 Or worse, banned. Aug 10 12:33:53 or you both begg be to kick you here ;-P Aug 10 12:34:03 beg me Aug 10 12:35:51 please consider I'm paying for each singe byte of data roaming to read what you write while I'm supposed to enjoy my holidays Aug 10 12:36:44 and hell they still charge an arm and a leg for that Aug 10 12:38:55 when you want moden kernel see what freemangordon achieved already, reports are on fptf thread Aug 10 12:39:44 when you want an os without closed blobs youre free to delete them from maemo to end up with a plain debian Aug 10 12:40:15 DocScrutinizer51: LOL Aug 10 12:40:18 no need for bsd or openwrt just to go 'more free' Aug 10 12:40:29 Charging us for the ineffecient text-based protocol known as IRC. Aug 10 12:44:53 Uh oh... Aug 10 12:45:08 App manager on a fresh maemo install; no updates. Aug 10 12:45:19 Is this due to Nokia not renewing their certificate? Aug 10 12:45:21 I think IRC prot is quite efficient as long as chanops take care of layer8 noise ;) Aug 10 12:46:08 DarkFox: there are no 'updates' on maemo Aug 10 12:46:16 go for CSSU Aug 10 12:46:23 What? Aug 10 12:46:28 ~cssu Aug 10 12:46:29 well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Aug 10 12:47:19 even there no rolling updates though I pushed for that since years Aug 10 12:48:55 you however get updayes on maemo-extras(-*) but only for packages you installed from there. On a fresh install zilch is from extras on ur system Aug 10 12:50:19 and even when u install sth now from extras, it will be newest version and any update will come up in days or weeks the fastest Aug 10 12:50:47 maemo stock didn't change since PR1.3?q Aug 10 12:50:59 1.3.1 even Aug 10 12:51:26 so: Aug 10 12:51:42 ~pr131 Aug 10 12:51:42 well, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Aug 10 12:52:10 no updates expected on that Aug 10 12:53:12 maemo is special in that it's a single huge metapackage aka PR Aug 10 12:53:52 and NEVER do apt-get upgrade or even dist-upgrade! Aug 10 12:55:22 I think nobody everwrote the much needed "what's maemo" 20p primer Aug 10 12:56:35 Nokia seems to always have thought it all 'just works' and users are too stupid to even grok the concept of pathbanes Aug 10 12:57:32 see incredibly fsckdup-by-design meta filesystem based on tracker Aug 10 13:00:12 CSSU antway is supposed to come in where Nokia left, providing security fixes and *compatible* functionality updates that Nokia missed to ever deliver Aug 10 13:01:49 "d powerkernel brings back expert functons that nokia kicked out in favor for a more lean easier to maintain kenel Aug 10 13:01:59 and* Aug 10 13:03:03 andeven kernel bugfixes Aug 10 13:04:54 and now even a workaround for a silicon error that rendered thumb ISA useless Aug 10 13:05:58 kudos to freemangordon who pulled this thumb stuff off despite *everybody* antagonizing him Aug 10 13:06:31 even I did, to a certain degree Aug 10 13:14:35 in short cssu rocks... Aug 10 13:16:23 * drathir goin to reflash n900 with broken screen... Aug 10 13:18:35 broken screen? LCD or touchpanel aka digitizer, or even just the main flex? Aug 10 13:54:43 DocScrutinizer51: connector from lcd not egsist sadly when i checked reason of no video output... Aug 10 13:55:43 screen maybe works but w/o plug at end not possible to connect... Aug 10 13:56:00 duh! Aug 10 13:56:18 where the plug gone? Aug 10 13:56:56 digitizer maybe works but no possibility to check - no output on the tv-out... Aug 10 13:57:18 DocScrutinizer51: no idea i buyed that... Aug 10 13:59:03 but motherboard looks ok i switched upper slider with screen from my second n900 with broken usb port and motherboard work camera works... Aug 10 14:00:08 maybe soon i buy once more with broken usb and switch the upper slider with screen only... Aug 10 14:01:36 now i using that with broken screen for battery charging... Aug 10 14:02:09 have 2 batteries that switch them time to time... Aug 10 14:02:22 I still don't understand if it's the main fleex cable that ripped off Aug 10 14:02:59 or actually that tiny cable frm LCD to main flex inside upper half Aug 10 14:07:07 you can get replacement main flex xable for a few bucks Aug 10 14:11:01 oh thats good description the correct is tiny one from main to lcd... Aug 10 14:11:21 sadly have no plug at end... Aug 10 14:15:16 and main bigger connection from motherboard to inside where lcd is connected to (by thin one which is damaged not plug at end) looks ok... Aug 10 14:17:23 aah. A pity Aug 10 14:18:26 B-( Aug 10 14:18:26 yea... Aug 10 14:18:54 probably somebody made plug come off the cable when trying to unplug it Aug 10 14:19:36 .o0(SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB.) Aug 10 14:20:03 * drathir dont know why lcd-s not have also plugs at bottom side which could be easy to replace if damaged, propably to expensive i guess... Aug 10 14:21:18 DocScrutinizer51: yea for sure because when opening the scrub from screen was in back case where shorter one antenna is ;p Aug 10 14:21:25 new LCD is some 25 to 49EUR Aug 10 14:22:30 DocScrutinizer51: yea cheaper is buy damaged phone with working lcd, and improve amount of parts for exchange in future... Aug 10 14:23:03 :nod: Aug 10 14:23:14 mostly with damaged phone battery and charger included... Aug 10 14:24:14 that one i buy ~10-12EUR Aug 10 14:25:39 wow, chheap Aug 10 14:25:54 k Aug 10 14:38:01 bencoh: yea that why i take it almost in blind... battery looks like new one... Aug 10 14:41:39 batteries always *look* like new ;) You tell if they really *re* by doing a full charge from emty to full and then back to empty while recording the output of bq27200 60 Aug 10 14:42:21 ~bq27200 Aug 10 14:42:21 well, bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 Aug 10 14:46:22 DocScrutinizer51: thanks i goin to check... Aug 10 14:47:35 use bq27200.sh, not bq27k-detail2 Aug 10 14:48:03 curently at n900 monitor show more than 1000mAh after full charhe... Aug 10 14:48:12 ok Aug 10 14:51:16 mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP Aug 10 14:51:37 16:03 4153 100 100 -12 1110 1110 1110 65535 2773 40 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 Aug 10 15:00:30 DocScrutinizer51: which one vaule is important? Aug 10 15:01:12 NAC Aug 10 15:01:51 lol show 0 ;p Aug 10 15:01:54 which is plain charge in mAh now metered to have gone into cell Aug 10 15:02:10 oh when connected... Aug 10 15:02:47 need to first end reflashing and enable sshd usbip and wlan connection... Aug 10 15:02:48 it's an incremental integrating value Aug 10 15:04:58 after swapping battery it will start at bogus value. then you discharge cell complely and then charge it. BQ27200 chip will integrate the charge going into cell during charge and showing it as NAC Aug 10 15:05:40 http://pastebin.com/NiqBCqt5 Aug 10 15:05:49 so during charging empty cell NAC goes up from 0 to ideally 1300 Aug 10 15:06:25 thanks i check great script btw... Aug 10 15:07:57 I'm running bq27200.sh 60 | tee batlog.txt Aug 10 15:24:40 DocScrutinizer51: thanks logging.. Aug 10 15:37:26 * drathir wonder need to switch the working screen when perform to flashing device? Aug 10 15:38:39 actually after completing charging it tells you the amount that went *into* the cell during charging. But the really interesting value is the difference of this value minus the last value it reads before it shuts down on DIScharge. NAC will count down from e.g. 1266 during discharge but may shut down when NAC claims there were 200 left over. So true discharge capacity of cell is 1266-200=1066 Aug 10 15:41:42 a valid discharge cycle (VDQ=1) will ake bq27200 chip *learn* this value of 1066 as new real max capacity of cell Aug 10 15:45:18 oh... in that case is possible that chip have incorrect data and not charging the battery to full? Aug 10 15:47:05 No it doesn't control charging Aug 10 15:47:22 ShadowJK: thats good... Aug 10 16:34:44 DocScrutinizer51: you paid for this! Aug 10 16:35:07 huh? Aug 10 16:35:41 that message, and this one too Aug 10 16:37:27 drathir: when doc says "integrate" he means "sum" Aug 10 16:46:05 kerio: thanks... Aug 10 16:47:07 * drathir now waitin to full charge battery and perform flash-ing n900 that one with broken screen... Aug 10 16:49:16 but guess is too old RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Aug 10 16:50:24 and that one too RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Aug 10 16:52:47 both looks good to me Aug 10 16:53:11 without betting my ass on me being right Aug 10 16:53:51 36-2 is PR1.3 Aug 10 16:53:59 good enough Aug 10 16:54:47 13-2VANILLA prolly also OK, as new as it gets Aug 10 16:57:53 O.o im was almost sure that much newest available because of date 14.11.2012... but looks im bad thinking... Aug 10 16:59:30 and yes if good remember its PR1.3 Aug 10 17:01:08 need only refresh procedure and which one keys to press... Aug 10 17:12:59 ~flashing Aug 10 17:13:00 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 10 17:15:50 in short: BLACKLIST the phonet* crap on your PC! Start flasher for COMBINED. Only then plug in the N900 with battery removed. Insert battery. Watch flashing to start. Wait for flashing process to complete. Unplug and remove battery. Aug 10 17:16:00 Redo for VANILLA Aug 10 17:16:18 Then *again* for COMBINED Aug 10 17:17:01 can 0xFFFF flash everything? or are we still tied to the closed-source flasher to flash VANILLA? Aug 10 17:17:50 0xFFFF *can* flash everything afaik Aug 10 17:18:13 ask Pali Aug 10 17:18:46 0xFFFF cannot flash eMMC Aug 10 17:18:53 hmm Aug 10 17:19:30 for eMMC flashing is used Mk II protocol and it is not implemented Aug 10 17:19:35 some info is in doc/ Aug 10 17:19:45 anybody has time for it? :-) Aug 10 17:19:57 mh Aug 10 17:20:00 do we even need that? Aug 10 17:20:18 Pali: can it boot from ram? Aug 10 17:20:27 0xFFFF? yes Aug 10 17:20:45 well then it's more than enough Aug 10 17:21:10 yes, you can create kernel+init image ready for flashing via standard usb mass storage interface Aug 10 17:28:44 yeah, just load rescueOS and then restore a BM backup or something like htat Aug 10 17:28:44 that Aug 10 17:33:43 actually that's pretty much exactly what flasher mk II protocol does as well Aug 10 17:34:20 aiui Aug 10 17:35:30 just it uses the existing rootfs OS on target, that's why you need a semi-decent rootfs aka COMBINED to flash VANILLA Aug 10 17:45:39 actually 'flashing' vanilla only means: partition and format the eMMC, then copy a few files to /home and to MyDocs Aug 10 17:51:46 yeah yeah Aug 10 17:52:01 does it even copy files to /home? Aug 10 17:52:06 i thought it was done during firstboot Aug 10 17:55:27 prolly Aug 10 17:55:51 I'm not sure Aug 10 17:56:13 it*could* copy files to /home Aug 10 17:58:43 dir /opt is some symlink to /home Aug 10 17:59:02 and it /home/user is created at boot time if does not exists Aug 10 17:59:29 and stock rootfs has some script which will rm -rf opt && optify Aug 10 17:59:47 and that script is run only once (store some info if was started or not) Aug 10 18:00:38 flashing eMMC should call mkfs on /home partition and equivalanet of dd if=mmc_image of=/dev/... Aug 10 18:01:10 so if /opt (/home) FS is damaged (because of FS errors), flashing only rootfs does not help Aug 10 18:02:04 (any idea how to write regular IRC message to channel which starting with slash?) Aug 10 18:03:18 try /say /opt Aug 10 18:03:32