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Aug 20 08:19:49 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Aug 20 13:35:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sb
Aug 20 13:35:08 <infobot> well, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Aug 20 18:11:23 <dos1> "Systemd 216 released including DNS resolver and full TTY stream parsing"
Aug 20 18:14:20 <DocScrutinizer05> OMFG
Aug 20 18:14:56 <APic> Sup?
Aug 20 18:15:02 <APic> Ah.
Aug 20 18:15:50 <kerio> awesome
Aug 20 18:15:58 <kerio> well
Aug 20 18:16:00 <kerio> to be honest
Aug 20 18:16:03 <bencoh> burn this thing
Aug 20 18:16:07 <APic> Pulseaudio is worse than Systemd
Aug 20 18:16:11 <APic> imhO
Aug 20 18:16:37 <kerio> if you compile systemd with uclibc and you use busybox, you end up with a really small system
Aug 20 18:16:42 <kerio> perfect for embedded systems!
Aug 20 18:16:44 * kerio runs
Aug 20 18:16:53 <APic> True.
Aug 20 18:24:08 <DocScrutinizer51> shit
Aug 20 18:24:36 <DocScrutinizer51> systemd is linux going truly monolitic
Aug 20 18:25:35 <DocScrutinizer51> no matter what you try to fix or change, look at systemd and you'll find it there, if you are lucky toactually figure how to find it
Aug 20 18:26:35 <APic> B-(
Aug 20 18:26:45 <DocScrutinizer51> pending: kernel and wayland integration, plus outlook
Aug 20 18:26:51 <APic> The long dark Teatime of the OS
Aug 20 18:27:00 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: who needs silly things like vi
Aug 20 18:27:09 <kerio> let's just embed libreoffice in /sbin/init
Aug 20 18:27:19 <APic> And TeX
Aug 20 18:27:27 <DocScrutinizer51> isn't it alread?
Aug 20 18:27:40 <DocScrutinizer51> ask poettering why not
Aug 20 18:28:18 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: instead of wasting your time and money on maemo
Aug 20 18:28:26 <kerio> go hire some hitmen for poettering
Aug 20 18:28:40 <DocScrutinizer51> and yeah, PLEASE embed messybox into init aka systemd
Aug 20 18:28:47 <DocScrutinizer51> incl allbugs
Aug 20 18:30:53 <APic> Moar.
Aug 20 18:31:15 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm sure byexploiting some dbus properies in systemd you can ensure that all shells wunning on system may only be child instances of busybox
Aug 20 18:31:39 <DocScrutinizer51> running*
Aug 20 18:31:46 <APic> B-(
Aug 20 18:31:58 <kerio> let's replace popen(3) with dbus calls
Aug 20 18:32:22 <DocScrutinizer51> YEAH! sounds lke a genuine poettering statement
Aug 20 18:33:13 <DocScrutinizer51> if universe was any fair, he alheardy been hit by a bus
Aug 20 18:33:48 <DocScrutinizer51> already*
Aug 20 18:34:25 <APic> *g*
Aug 20 18:36:47 <kerio> the universe isn't fair yo
Aug 20 19:19:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ~freee
Aug 20 19:19:46 <infobot> rumour has it, freee is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296
Aug 20 21:05:08 <wizbit> how can i sync my n900 mmc1 and a directory on my linux box?
Aug 20 21:05:30 <wizbit> i dont want anything to be deleted on either but would like them to sync
Aug 20 21:06:06 <wizbit> so if i backup my n900 that will sync onto my linux directory and if i add music to the linux directory it gets synced to mmc1 on my N900
Aug 20 21:15:07 <wizbit> https://owncloud.org/
Aug 20 23:40:13 <dima5`> Hi all. I'd like to get a chroot to build maemo applications. Are the instructions on maemo.org still the preferred method? (download and run some Nokia install script to get their sdk + scratchbox)
Aug 20 23:40:45 <dima5`> On some level all I want is an apt repo that has their library dependencies, not a full "sdk", whatever that is
Aug 20 23:50:15 <bencoh> the manual method from the wiki is still up-to-date/accurate (for wheezy)
Aug 20 23:52:57 <bencoh> dima5`: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation
Aug 20 23:54:22 <dima5`> ok, thanks much
Aug 21 00:07:12 <dima5`> Another (completely different) question. I just discovered that the public transit agency in my city has a web api to get bus positions and arrival predictions. I'd like to modify some already-existing maemo application to use this information. I see a number of apps such as this on the web. Any particular one people find good (and not dead upstream)? Another option is to add something to mappero, but that's definitely dead upstream
Aug 21 00:09:18 <kerio> idk, maybe modrana?
Aug 21 00:14:32 <dima5`> is it good? Is that what you use?
Aug 21 00:15:23 <dima5`> (installing the dev stuff still, and trying out modrana now)
Aug 21 00:25:24 <dima5`> holy moly. modrana is extremely slow on the n900. I'm guessing it's mostly written in python, and this is why. kerio: do you use this on the n900, or on some newer device?
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