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Aug 23 10:44:56 <Sicelo> ~tabletsdev
Aug 23 10:45:04 <Sicelo> ~sb
Aug 23 11:07:07 <Sicelo> in connection with SB, is it 'correct' that UI only works with X86 target, or does this indicate something is wrong with my install?
Aug 23 11:11:47 <Sicelo> also, a lot of things don't work, e.g. in HAM, i can't change catalogues, in XTErm cannot type, etc.?
Aug 23 11:16:41 <DocScrutinizer05> silly infobot
Aug 23 11:17:05 <DocScrutinizer05> k, hope a rebot does it
Aug 23 11:18:08 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Aug 23 11:18:14 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: (batt) original BL-5J from genuine Nokia store are like 40EUR iirc
Aug 23 11:18:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tabletsdev
Aug 23 11:18:29 <infobot> methinks tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads
Aug 23 11:20:19 <Sicelo> thanks for response about battery. tbh, i thought 25EUR was too much. a vodafone (vodacom here) charges that for an original
Aug 23 11:20:52 <Sicelo> EUR28 actually
Aug 23 11:22:13 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, it _is_ too much. I think you can get them *original* for some 12EUR
Aug 23 11:22:45 <DocScrutinizer05> not from Nokia stores though
Aug 23 11:23:02 <Sicelo> i see
Aug 23 11:23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I tend to buy used one from 2nd hand cellphone stores, which sell them for like 5 bucks and usually those are not worn down much
Aug 23 11:24:20 <Sicelo> :) ok.. that's actually an idea. never considered that before
Aug 23 11:24:24 <DocScrutinizer05> also you can make a deal to test the batt and give back for a better one when too worn
Aug 23 11:24:55 <DocScrutinizer05> the advantage of buying at next corner's store instead of the friggin internet
Aug 23 11:25:33 <Sicelo> do you have an idea about my SB question?
Aug 23 11:26:16 <Sicelo> it's actually a shame that i've had SB for at least 5 months now, but not been able to build any package on it yet
Aug 23 11:27:45 <Sicelo> 8 months to be exact
Aug 23 12:11:33 <DocScrutinizer05> I think the normal xephyr emu runs on x86 binaries on PC, that's correct. This is why everything is built for armel and x86 in parallel
Aug 23 12:13:03 <DocScrutinizer05> also the x86 binaries are a great basis for REing closed maemo stuff, since the arm binaries are much harder to disassemble/decompile and understand what been the source that created this machine code
Aug 23 12:14:28 <kerio> *since we don't have a cracked version of hex-rays for ARM but only x86
Aug 23 12:41:27 <useretail> kerio: in fact there is new leak of IDA 6.5 Pro with Hex-Rays ARM plugin
Aug 23 12:41:43 <kerio> yay
Aug 23 12:41:47 <useretail> google it
Aug 23 12:42:34 <useretail> i saw a thread on exetools forum
Aug 23 12:49:26 <Sicelo900> thanks for info.
Aug 23 12:49:43 <Pali> anybody to RE usb statusbar plugin (which is used for switching between PC suite and Mass storage mode)?
Aug 23 12:50:22 <Pali> that plugin has bug that sometimes does not hide menu item when wall charger is disconnected/connected to fast and it show message about pc suite..
Aug 23 12:51:36 <Pali> and there is another library to RE: rtcom jabber plugin library which show UI for configuring jabber accounts
Aug 23 12:51:58 <Pali> that library does not support setting jabber resource name & priority
Aug 23 12:52:47 <Pali> priority can be set via mc-tool (in xterm), but when you click save in that jabber plugin dialog, it delete all additional settings set by mc-tool
Aug 23 12:52:57 <Pali> so remove also custom jabber resource priority
Aug 23 12:53:46 <Pali> bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2141
Aug 23 12:53:49 <povbot> 04Bug 2141: Allow setting priority in Jabber/GTalk
Aug 23 12:54:21 <Pali> and info about that bug in UI which delete custom settings: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2141#c16
Aug 23 12:54:22 <povbot> 04Bug 2141: Allow setting priority in Jabber/GTalk
Aug 23 12:54:49 <Pali> "Will Thompson: Note that due to an implementation detail of the account UI, if you subsequently edit the account in the UI, the priority setting will be lost."
Aug 23 12:55:54 <Pali> If someboy RE that UI, I will take some time to implement missing jabber options in that UI + fixing that problem for deleting custom properties...
Aug 23 12:56:30 <Pali> kerio, freemangordon, merlin1991, DocScrutinizer05: ^^^
Aug 23 12:59:29 <Pali> responsible binaries: /usr/lib/libaccounts-plugins/libgtalk-plugin.so.0.0.0 and /usr/lib/libaccounts-plugins/libjabber-plugin.so.0.0.0
Aug 23 13:00:32 <Pali> and we have also i386 versions: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79/nokia-binaries/r/rtcom-accounts-ui/rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber_4.140-1+0m5_i386.deb http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79/nokia-binaries/r/rtcom-accounts-ui/rtcom-accounts-plugin-gtalk_4.140-1+0m5_i386.deb
Aug 23 13:02:02 <Pali> maybe jonwil could look at it
Aug 23 13:03:07 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: I think the bug regarding USB requester starts already in kernel
Aug 23 13:03:56 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: no idea, but when I look into sysfs entries and into ke-recv it will tell me correct info
Aug 23 13:04:05 <Pali> not what that usb hildon plugin show
Aug 23 13:04:09 <DocScrutinizer05> sometimes the function detecting charger sees the VBUS voltage but the D+- short isn't detected yet, so it detects a fastcharger as USB PC host
Aug 23 13:04:26 <Pali> so I think that plugin doing something wrong
Aug 23 13:04:29 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a race condition
Aug 23 13:04:52 <Pali> yes, some race condition...
Aug 23 13:05:52 <Pali> hm.. where is jonwil? is still around?
Aug 23 13:05:55 <Pali> ~seen jonwil
Aug 23 13:05:58 <infobot> jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-80-219.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 11d 23h 7m 9s ago, saying: 'the closest thing to free software are the "free" versions of IDA (which are just old ancient versions they are giving away)'.
Aug 23 13:10:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: and actually, nice to see you around! Hi and welcome!
Aug 23 13:11:10 <Pali> :-)
Aug 23 23:10:05 <drathir> there is any possibility to auto enable sshd at startup, and change default kernel at boot?
Aug 23 23:11:47 <drathir> ok sshd sloved delete ssh switcher helpe...
Aug 23 23:12:45 <drathir> now only kernel auto mark default change left...
Aug 24 00:40:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ???
Aug 24 00:41:15 <DocScrutinizer05> drathir: sshd is always started at boot time when installed
Aug 24 00:41:37 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise, how would you log in to your N900?
Aug 24 00:41:47 <DocScrutinizer05> via ssh
Aug 24 00:42:12 <DocScrutinizer05> for kernel: why the heck do you want to switch kernels?
Aug 24 00:42:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~maemo-multiboot
Aug 24 00:42:28 <infobot> methinks maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Aug 24 00:43:14 <DocScrutinizer05> you really should NOT do anything like this! When you want to use different kernels, use uBoot for that
Aug 24 00:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not really sure I understand the meaning of "...change default kernel at boot"
Aug 24 00:45:16 <DocScrutinizer05> yu could change default uBoot option during boot, when you log in to uBoot CLI and change some of the envs
Aug 24 00:45:40 <DocScrutinizer05> but why the heck would you want to change the default during boot?
Aug 24 01:54:46 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: yes sshd-switcher broken auto start...
Aug 24 01:56:36 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: sadly block usage the screen with chose language region time date, because w/o screen not any reaction for enter pressing...
Aug 24 01:57:35 <drathir> mean w/o working screen isnt possible to press save...
Aug 24 01:59:10 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: because using alarm and powerkernel... and w/o working screen i would prefer the powerkernel start by default...
Aug 24 02:00:24 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: all that issues doesnt matter with fully working n900...
Aug 24 02:15:32 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, I don't think there's a  problem in pressing the location where "save" should be
Aug 24 02:15:57 <DocScrutinizer05> sshd-switcher is kinda silly
Aug 24 02:21:41 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL, yavispedro has a slider-sound on his device he donated to Neo900 UG
Aug 24 02:21:52 <DocScrutinizer05> javispedro even
Aug 24 02:22:47 <DocScrutinizer05> actually even two: one for slider-open and one for closing
Aug 24 02:52:02 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: i guess digitaliser not sure if works or not...
Aug 24 02:53:29 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: old version was not so bad. works and remember last chosed option now needed to  be uninstalled because broke sshd autostart...
Aug 24 02:56:28 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm :-/
Aug 24 02:57:27 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, I created a new pagelet of info: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/PC_syslog_of_USB_enum
Aug 24 02:58:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys enum
Aug 24 02:58:20 <infobot> Factoid search of 'enum' by key (4): illumnenum ;; linenum ;; menumaker ;; enum.
Aug 24 02:58:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal enum
Aug 24 02:58:39 <infobot> "enum" is "http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Enum"
Aug 24 02:58:49 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Aug 24 02:59:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo enum is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/PC_syslog_of_USB_enum
Aug 24 02:59:10 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Aug 24 02:59:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~enum
Aug 24 02:59:18 <infobot> it has been said that enum is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/PC_syslog_of_USB_enum
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