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Aug 26 09:26:40 <zGrr> moin :)
Aug 26 13:18:49 <drathir> mornin...
Aug 26 14:02:47 <DocScrutinizer05> moin
Aug 26 15:17:10 <txt-file> wow … still so many people are using a maemo based device?
Aug 26 15:17:26 <kerio> sure
Aug 26 15:17:27 <kerio> why not
Aug 26 15:17:33 <kerio> it's like the best mobile OS
Aug 26 15:17:35 <bencoh> :-)
Aug 26 15:17:42 <txt-file> i know
Aug 26 15:18:07 <ecc3g> it has everything you need and everything you don't...
Aug 26 15:18:21 <kerio> except for a recent firefox
Aug 26 15:18:47 <ecc3g> I just dont want googled or appled
Aug 26 15:19:16 <txt-file> yeah … at least on android there is a huge speed improvement between the first fennec versions and the current version
Aug 26 15:20:42 <txt-file> but currently I am trying to reactivate one of my two n900 and use it as sip telephone ;-)
Aug 26 15:39:02 <txt-file> Is there a way to completely flash the n900 so that all old settings and file are overwritten?
Aug 26 15:39:21 <txt-file> I tried the combined image but it still loads some old settings.
Aug 26 15:43:14 <NIN101> you need to flash emmc/vanilla
Aug 26 15:43:20 <NIN101> http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Updating_the_firmware_using_the_Nokia_Software_Updater
Aug 26 15:43:44 <NIN101> oops, more preciesley: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#N900
Aug 26 15:46:24 <txt-file> thanks NIN101 … am downloading the image now
Aug 26 16:24:58 <DocScrutinizer05> on a sidenote: N900 is simply great as SIP VoIP phone, for me
Aug 26 16:25:43 <DocScrutinizer05> other rare reports are vastly differing. Never got to the root cause of such differences
Aug 26 16:27:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I even use VoIP via UMTS data and it usually just works
Aug 26 16:28:31 <DocScrutinizer05> one flaw: there seems no way to bind VoIP to WiFi connection only, so it doesn't try to operate via e.g. 2G data
Aug 26 16:29:22 <txt-file> does VoIP work on an 32kbit/s connection?
Aug 26 16:29:32 <DocScrutinizer05> hardly
Aug 26 16:29:44 <DocScrutinizer05> on the limit
Aug 26 16:29:53 <DocScrutinizer05> usually not
Aug 26 16:30:40 <DocScrutinizer05> it *could* theoretically work down to 14,400
Aug 26 16:30:57 <DocScrutinizer05> with the right codec and no jitter etc
Aug 26 16:31:19 <DocScrutinizer05> but usually you want 64k or even 128k to make it work
Aug 26 16:32:47 <txt-file> yeah … everything above 64k should be fine
Aug 26 16:33:21 <DocScrutinizer05> uLaw and aLaw (the most usual codecs) need 64kb/s anyway
Aug 26 16:33:34 <bencoh> gsm needs less afair
Aug 26 16:33:40 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Aug 26 16:33:47 <DocScrutinizer05> GSM needs 9600
Aug 26 16:33:55 <DocScrutinizer05> roundabout
Aug 26 16:33:59 <txt-file> but here in GER you mostly get contracts where you are shaped to 32kbit/s after a given amount of traffic
Aug 26 16:34:09 * txt-file likes Ogg Opus.
Aug 26 16:34:55 <DocScrutinizer05> iLBC is also a commonly used codec, which is designed for low bandwidth
Aug 26 16:35:34 <DocScrutinizer05> it however depends on the set of codecs your peer station supports
Aug 26 16:36:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm on sipgate.de and their gateways are kinda fine
Aug 26 16:39:18 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: (GSM) though there's halfrate and enhanced full rate
Aug 26 16:39:39 <DocScrutinizer05> HR 4800,  EHR 14400 iirc
Aug 26 16:39:46 <DocScrutinizer05> EFR*
Aug 26 16:40:35 <DocScrutinizer05> the difference from 9600 to 14400 originally been error correction redundancy
Aug 26 16:41:12 <DocScrutinizer05> 14400 is the genuine 2G basic single-slot datarate
Aug 26 16:43:19 <DocScrutinizer05> EFR yields better audio quality on channels with low error rate
Aug 26 17:14:36 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: sipgate ... is that voipbuster 
Aug 26 17:14:38 <bencoh> ?
Aug 26 17:14:55 <DocScrutinizer05> no, that's sipgate.de
Aug 26 17:15:29 <bencoh> hmm, never mind, I thought they were related but that was another company
Aug 26 17:15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.sipgate.de/
Aug 26 17:16:26 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.live.sipgate.co.uk/
Aug 26 17:18:05 <nokiabot_> home/user # apt-get --reinstall install mmmrpc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: The package mmmrpc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
Aug 26 17:18:41 <nokiabot_> how do i get rid of it
Aug 26 17:20:22 <nokiabot_> it comes up everytine i try to install anything 
Aug 26 17:21:01 <nokiabot_> i think damm fam is culprit
Aug 26 17:21:23 <nokiabot_> it messes things up
Aug 26 17:23:41 <nokiabot_> mp community pr somehow got removed as nothing on about cssu
Aug 26 17:24:10 <nokiabot_> camera isint working anymore
Aug 26 17:27:03 <nokiabot_> now the system reboots suddenly and a banner warning an unexpected reeboot ouccord your custom kernel power settings were not loaded
Aug 26 17:28:34 <nokiabot_> i dont want a reflash just want the camera working again for now
Aug 26 17:29:29 <ecc3g> odd... had a weird slowdown on my n900 that didn't get fixed by rebooting, but a power cycle seems to have fixed it...
Aug 26 17:30:16 <kerio> ~fapman
Aug 26 17:30:17 <infobot> from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
Aug 26 17:55:40 <DocScrutinizer51> ~hamvsfam
Aug 26 17:55:41 <infobot> rumour has it, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
Aug 26 17:56:04 <DocScrutinizer51> ~factinfo hamvsfam
Aug 26 17:56:04 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: there's no such factoid as hamvsfam
Aug 26 17:56:24 <DocScrutinizer51> ~hamvsfam
Aug 26 17:56:25 <infobot> i guess hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
Aug 26 17:56:55 <DocScrutinizer51> ~factinfo hamvsfam
Aug 26 17:56:55 <infobot> there's no such factoid as hamvsfam, DocScrutinizer51
Aug 26 17:57:11 <DocScrutinizer51> ~factinfo #maemo hamvsfam
Aug 26 17:57:11 <infobot> #maemo hamvsfam -- created by sixwheeledbeast <~paul@cl-1547.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net> at Sun Nov  3 21:56:06 2013 (295 days); last modified at Thu May 29 22:28:37 2014 by sixwheeledbeast!~paul@2a01:348:6:860a:accf:885c:b712:2623; it has been requested 12 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 47s ago.
Aug 26 17:57:35 <sixwheeledbeast> hello
Aug 26 17:59:21 <DocScrutinizer51> as a general rule when the factoid key itself is highly unique or significantly related to #maemo already, there's no need to make the factoid channel specific (prefix "#maemo ")
Aug 26 18:01:02 <DocScrutinizer51> ~hamvsfam is <reply> see #maemo hamvsfam
Aug 26 18:01:03 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer51
Aug 26 18:01:26 <DocScrutinizer51> ~factinfo hamvsfam
Aug 26 18:01:26 <infobot> hamvsfam -- created by DocScrutinizer51 <~lagrange@openmoko/engineers/joerg> 23s ago.
Aug 26 18:01:50 <DocScrutinizer51> ~_default hamvsfam
Aug 26 18:01:50 <infobot> #maemo hamvsfam is, like, https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
Aug 26 18:02:56 <DocScrutinizer51> ~multiboot
Aug 26 18:02:57 <infobot> multiboot is, like, http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot
Aug 26 18:03:21 <DocScrutinizer51> ~literal multiboot
Aug 26 18:03:21 <infobot> "#maemo multiboot" is "http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot"
Aug 26 18:04:42 <DocScrutinizer51> ~_default multiboot
Aug 26 18:04:43 <infobot> it has been said that multiboot is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiboot
Aug 26 18:05:05 <DocScrutinizer51> ;-)
Aug 26 18:06:06 <DocScrutinizer51> ~elop
Aug 26 18:06:06 <infobot> from memory, elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls
Aug 26 18:06:30 <DocScrutinizer51> ~literal elop
Aug 26 18:06:30 <infobot> "elop" is "definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls"
Aug 26 18:06:44 <DocScrutinizer51> ~factinfo elop
Aug 26 18:06:45 <infobot> elop -- created by Alex[sp3dev] <~alexander@86.110.163.19> at Sat Jun 18 22:25:28 2011 (1164 days); last modified at Thu Aug 30 16:04:18 2012 by docscrutinizer05; it has been requested 4 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 38s ago.
Aug 26 18:51:53 <nokiabot> any one here
Aug 26 18:52:39 <nokiabot> my device reeboted and ate the last bar:D
Aug 26 18:53:12 <bencoh> mmh ?
Aug 26 18:53:31 <nokiabot> what should i do to get the cam working again
Aug 26 18:57:43 <nokiabot> .
Aug 26 18:59:16 <nokiabot> usyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0) built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.  /home/user # apt-get purge mmmrpc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: The package mmmrpc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. /home/user #  
Aug 26 19:00:22 <nokiabot> i used fam and now i have a broken system
Aug 26 19:01:43 <nokiabot> about cssu is blank trying to install any package tells to remove mmmrpc
Aug 26 19:02:34 <nokiabot> camera not working no errors just camera ui is blank
Aug 26 19:06:07 <nokiabot> how to get the cam working without a reflash
Aug 26 19:06:21 <nokiabot> i am on thumb
Aug 26 19:09:16 <nokiabot> home/user # apt-get install blessn900 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: The package mmmrpc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. /home/user #  
Aug 26 19:10:52 <nokiabot> nothing seems to get installed or removed all want this mmmrpc to be removed
Aug 26 19:11:08 <txt-file> and what is mmmrpc?
Aug 26 19:11:52 <nokiabot> dpkg --force-remove dosent help either
Aug 26 19:13:28 <nokiabot> txt_file:mmm remote phone control
Aug 26 19:15:08 <nokiabot> txt-file: an utility to use any j2me ph as a keyboard
Aug 26 19:16:14 <txt-file> kk
Aug 26 19:20:11 <kerio> nokiabot: have you just tried dpkg -R
Aug 26 19:20:47 <nokiabot> fam should be put to extras devel
Aug 26 19:21:04 <txt-file> and you should probably search for a repository which serves mmmrpc
Aug 26 19:21:27 <nokiabot> keiro:checking
Aug 26 19:23:34 <nokiabot> keiro:home/user # dpkg -r mmmrpc dpkg: error processing mmmrpc (--remove):  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should  reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing:  mmmrpc /home/user #  
Aug 26 19:25:49 <txt-file> nokiabot, have you tried to do what dpkg tells you to do?
Aug 26 19:26:12 <nokiabot> just give me walls of text to put in xterm
Aug 26 19:27:43 <nokiabot> txt-file: i dont know it dosent say a thing
Aug 26 19:28:28 <txt-file> i cite „you should  reinstall it before attempting a removal”
Aug 26 19:31:36 <nokiabot_> again reebooted
Aug 26 19:31:55 <nokiabot_> sit*
Aug 26 19:32:54 <txt-file> i cite from your dpkg output: „you should  reinstall it before attempting a removal”
Aug 26 19:33:06 <nokiabot_> txt-file: no same problem
Aug 26 19:33:48 <nokiabot_> how one does that
Aug 26 19:34:03 <nokiabot_> just to be sure
Aug 26 19:35:37 <txt-file> get the .deb from from somewhere and install it with "dpkg -i /path/to/deb"
Aug 26 19:35:49 <nokiabot_> i just need the cam working for now as i am nowhere near a reflash
Aug 26 19:36:39 <nokiabot_> wait trying that
Aug 26 19:46:17 <nokiabot_> cant seem to find still searching
Aug 26 19:52:15 <nokiabot_> repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/m/mmmrpc/
Aug 26 19:52:18 <txt-file> yeah … dpkg also said „[…], but I can't find an archive for it.”
Aug 26 19:52:31 <nokiabot_> is this deb
Aug 26 19:52:50 <txt-file> yeah
Aug 26 19:58:26 <nokiabot_> mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel its the package name residing in my docs
Aug 26 19:58:48 <nokiabot_> i cant seem to get it done
Aug 26 20:00:56 <nokiabot_> dpkg -i mydocs/mmmrpc-0.8_1 armel
Aug 26 20:01:10 <nokiabot_> is it like that
Aug 26 20:07:30 <nokiabot_> humm something i am doing wrong
Aug 26 20:07:40 <txt-file> maybe
Aug 26 20:08:05 <txt-file> if you tell us what you are doing we might be able to help you
Aug 26 20:09:02 <nokiabot_> txt-file: can you write out the proper command pls
Aug 26 20:09:36 <txt-file> download the deb and then install it with "dpkg -i /path/to/file"
Aug 26 20:09:43 <nokiabot_> its in the root
Aug 26 20:10:27 <nokiabot_> is cd necessary
Aug 26 20:10:33 <txt-file> no
Aug 26 20:12:48 <txt-file> dpkg -i /mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb
Aug 26 20:12:49 <nokiabot_> so it should be like dpkg -i /mydocs/filename
Aug 26 20:13:43 <txt-file> 1. you need to append the filename
Aug 26 20:13:52 <nokiabot_> home/user # dpkg -i /mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb dpkg: error processing /mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb (--install):  cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing:  /mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb /home/user #   
Aug 26 20:14:10 <txt-file> where have you saved the file?
Aug 26 20:16:03 <nokiabot_> i saved it to the root dir in emmc
Aug 26 20:16:39 <txt-file> ah … 
Aug 26 20:17:07 <nokiabot_> ok you make up a dir i will create it much easier:D
Aug 26 20:18:28 <nokiabot_> @txt its not inside any folder
Aug 26 20:18:50 <txt-file> then it might be the best idea to cd to that dir and then do a "dpkg -i ./mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb"
Aug 26 20:19:22 <txt-file> for the operating system it is always in a folder
Aug 26 20:20:19 <nokiabot_> cd :/damm/filename like this
Aug 26 20:22:40 <txt-file> please paste the output of "pwd"
Aug 26 20:22:44 <txt-file> (without the "")
Aug 26 20:24:14 <nokiabot_> in/sh: cd: can't cd to : /home/user # cd :home/user/mydocs /bin/sh: cd: can't cd to :home/user/mydocs /home/user # cd : home/user/mydocs /bin/sh: cd: can't cd to : /home/user # cdpwd :home/user/mydocs /bin/sh: cdpwd: not found /home/user #   
Aug 26 20:25:05 <nokiabot_> oh too much noise:d
Aug 26 20:26:58 <nokiabot_> err
Aug 26 20:28:23 <nokiabot_> its not getting posted here
Aug 26 20:28:55 <nokiabot_> anyway it dosent have a output
Aug 26 20:30:31 <nokiabot_> got any other idea
Aug 26 20:34:17 <nokiabot_> ok bye
Aug 26 20:34:40 <nokiabot_> thanks for help
Aug 26 20:35:03 <nokiabot_> need some sleep now
Aug 26 20:35:47 <nokiabot_> try again lafer :)
Aug 26 21:55:10 <nanooq_> hi all.
Aug 26 21:55:16 <nanooq_> where can I download the firmware?
Aug 26 21:57:41 <nanooq_> nokia does not host them anymore
Aug 26 21:58:07 <nox-> ~skeiron
Aug 26 21:58:32 <nox-> hm looks dead
Aug 26 21:58:54 <nanooq_> (09:56:14 PM) nanooq: jo
Aug 26 21:58:54 <nanooq_> (09:56:26 PM) nanooq: weiß bescheid
Aug 26 21:59:07 <nanooq_> sorry.
Aug 26 21:59:16 <nox-> http://galif.eu/nokia/N900/
Aug 26 21:59:17 <nanooq_> tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <- you mean?
Aug 26 22:00:32 <nanooq_> nox-: merci for the link
Aug 26 22:00:57 <nox-> tinyurl.com/239j9yq
Aug 26 22:01:10 <nox-> pr 1.3
Aug 26 22:02:53 <nox-> np
Aug 26 22:12:00 <txt-file> you can also try the internet archive
Aug 26 22:14:09 <nox-> hm yeah http://web.archive.org/web/20131117073522/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/
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Aug 26 22:34:11 <DocScrutinizer05> see /topic
Aug 26 22:34:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tabletsdev
Aug 26 22:34:37 <infobot> [tabletsdev] http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads
Aug 26 22:34:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~combined
Aug 26 22:34:46 <infobot> i heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Aug 26 22:34:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~emmc
Aug 26 22:34:53 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
Aug 26 22:35:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flasher
Aug 26 22:35:02 <infobot> rumour has it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
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