**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 03 02:59:59 2014 Sep 03 03:31:49 bef0rd: eh, you sure it doesn't silently corrupt stuff? :P Sep 03 09:19:51 hey all. trying to score some replacement chassis screws for n900; managed to lose two of them... is nokiaparts.com stil recommended (old thread on maemo board), or is there a more reliable source? Sep 03 11:59:41 Anyone else having issues with whois from busybox-power? Sep 03 12:00:01 ii busybox-power 1.20.2power5 Sep 03 12:10:18 moin :) Sep 03 12:54:03 stryngs: issues as in what? Sep 03 12:54:36 doesnt work Sep 03 12:54:48 merlin1991: It used to, on the older kernel kp-46 Sep 03 12:55:02 I'm rocking kp-52 now, and for whatever reason it just hangs, as in: whois google.com Sep 03 12:55:05 Nothing happens Sep 03 12:55:16 Not a big deal, just grab some sourcecode and compile Sep 03 12:55:27 I tried just now and yep nothing happens Sep 03 12:55:30 Just wanted to mention it and see if anyone else experienced symptoms like mine Sep 03 12:55:34 haha Sep 03 12:55:37 stock kernel Sep 03 12:55:37 and kernel? Sep 03 12:55:39 oh Sep 03 12:55:45 well, it worked before Sep 03 12:55:47 that i know Sep 03 12:55:51 and in any case kernel should not affect whois ... Sep 03 12:55:53 Not sure if I upgraded busybox-power though Sep 03 12:55:58 Right, but u never know Sep 03 12:56:03 Especially with maemo's nonsense Sep 03 12:56:10 opt pymaemo and all the ilk Sep 03 12:56:53 I wonder what exactly is wrong with whois Sep 03 12:57:10 I'm guessing its: 1.20.2power5 -vs- 1.20.2power4 Sep 03 12:57:16 being power5 thats broken Sep 03 12:57:27 Cool, me found a bug =) Sep 03 12:57:43 nah it's not the kernel, since it fails for me on non-power kernel aswell Sep 03 12:57:47 DocScrutinizer51: We need a prescription Sep 03 12:58:04 I didnt say kernel, i did mention it, i was describing the apt-get version Sep 03 12:58:08 I'm bettin power4 works Sep 03 12:58:21 ah oops Sep 03 12:58:28 power-anything is always kernel for me xD Sep 03 12:58:33 hehe Sep 03 12:58:54 Thats good though, I've been doing some deep mods to mine, so its nice to hear its not my fault Sep 03 12:58:58 I'll email dudeman in charge of dev Sep 03 12:59:16 I had 1.22.1power1 though Sep 03 12:59:55 oh Sep 03 12:59:55 hmm Sep 03 13:00:00 dpkg --list | grep busybox-power Sep 03 13:00:05 which version do u have righ tnow? Sep 03 13:00:09 I'm going to email the maintainer Sep 03 13:00:14 what I wrote Sep 03 13:00:17 It'd be nice to ensure its only one version so to speak Sep 03 13:00:41 you can list the available versions with 'apt-cache policy busybox-power' Sep 03 13:00:54 and then install them via 'apt-get install busybox-power=VERSION' Sep 03 13:01:02 Right, but dpkg --list would show which version U have installed Sep 03 13:01:05 which is what im curious of Sep 03 13:01:18 I did have the 1.22.1power1 installed (removed it already again) Sep 03 13:01:23 Ah Sep 03 13:01:31 Ok, so confirmed for multiple revisions Sep 03 13:01:31 nice Sep 03 13:02:32 Alright, email sent Sep 03 13:02:36 We shall see what happens Sep 03 14:35:12 ~poettering Sep 03 14:35:12 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal Sep 03 14:35:40 See this: http://boycottsystemd.org/ Sep 03 15:51:09 mornin... Sep 03 15:52:33 Pali: this site didn't got everything right. Sep 03 15:59:14 e. g. you can redirect journald logs to normal files. Sep 03 17:38:02 oh dear I think my battery is EOL. Sep 03 17:38:47 was 50% charged and died with the "Recharge now" banner. Sep 03 17:39:47 on removing the back cover it has swollen up. basically you can't shut the back cover any more with it in. Sep 03 17:39:55 ouch :/ Sep 03 17:40:07 * sixwheeledbeast looks around for his spares... Sep 03 17:40:13 sixwheeledbeast: yeah you don't want to use it Sep 03 17:41:28 yep, it could go bang. Sep 03 17:42:30 spare found. I will be investigating it's age when I have time later. I think it's approx 18 month old. Sep 03 17:51:34 where do you guys buy batteries nowadays ? Sep 03 18:07:38 hello, what's the default file system for sd cards in Nokia N900? Sep 03 18:08:16 gogogogo: FAT32 Sep 03 18:08:22 bencoh: http://www.ebay.de/itm/NEU-PolarCell-Akku-1500mAh-Li-Ion-BL-5J-fuer-Nokia-5230-X6-00-5800-C3-00-5228-O-/190820715671 Sep 03 18:08:30 by default only FAT32 is supported by Maemo in Nokia N900 Sep 03 18:08:57 does this mean I can get it use other filesystems? Sep 03 18:09:08 but with kernel-power other FSs are supported Sep 03 18:09:19 and with CSSU also automouting is working Sep 03 18:09:24 (of other FS) Sep 03 18:09:36 gogogogo: which FS do you want to use? Sep 03 18:09:47 Anything that doesn't limit my file size to 4GB Sep 03 18:10:09 freemangordon: thx Sep 03 18:10:14 I'm considering purchasing a large SD card for wikipedia dumps that may be larger than that Sep 03 18:10:19 I think I need a new one as well :) Sep 03 18:10:23 gogogogo: ext2/3/4 or UDF Sep 03 18:10:41 kernel-power necessary right? Sep 03 18:10:41 ext is not supported by any windows (without 3rd drivers) Sep 03 18:11:18 How many n900 owners do mount their SD card under windows? Sep 03 18:11:18 UDF is supported by Windows Vista+ Linux 2.6.32+ (kernel-power has backported patch) and by Mac OSX too Sep 03 18:11:44 Humpelstilzchen: I sometimes: when using it as mass storage Sep 03 18:11:45 I would, I'm not very linux literate but can format things under linux though Sep 03 18:12:06 or you mean just plug it to a windows pc? Sep 03 18:12:13 anyway I'm think that for OS compatibility, UDF FS is the best option Sep 03 18:12:42 I will install some 3rd drivers, Windows will bow or die XD Sep 03 18:13:00 if you want to use SD card only in linux (e.g. Maemo) than ext3 (or better ext4) is the best option Sep 03 18:13:37 my sd card *must* stay inside my n900 Sep 03 18:13:44 i don't have a swap partition anywhere else Sep 03 18:13:56 NTFS/exFAT is not supported by linux (external semi-working drivers are not acceptable) Sep 03 18:14:00 I can't be sure but I can organize my MyDocuments folder to keep ambigously-needed files and store only linux-reserved ones on the sd Sep 03 18:14:28 FAT32 has problems (filename restrictions, file size restriction, poor fsck, slow speed....) Sep 03 18:15:09 I should study some filesystem theory... Sep 03 18:16:00 I just noticed that the dumps I'm going to download are split into 500MB part files, so FAT32 would work. But might be slow... Sep 03 18:16:29 I think that ext4 is good option for SD cards (which are NAND based) when you correctly format it (ext4 options: stride, stripe_width) to align for erase block Sep 03 18:17:46 is there any way to know if a file system may influence your battery life over another? Sep 03 18:18:27 gogogogo: this is good question. theoretical it can, but I do not know about any tests... Sep 03 18:18:53 In my opinion problems can happen when too many files are fragmented Sep 03 18:19:18 then file reading is slower and consume more I/O and CPU Sep 03 18:19:20 I may understand that if ext4 is better for NAND memories, it may read/write in a more suitable/economic way.. so maybe save battery? Sep 03 18:19:38 I never defragmented under linux, is it possible? Sep 03 18:19:56 you don't defrag extfs Sep 03 18:20:00 you don't defrag ntfs either Sep 03 18:20:07 and you most definetely do not defrag a solid state drive Sep 03 18:20:12 yes, you can defrag ext2/3/4 folders Sep 03 18:20:16 1) you do not access raw NAND memory (on SD card or SSD disks) Sep 03 18:20:54 2) In my opinion (I saw same tests), ext4 is better for SD cards as ext3 or ntfs Sep 03 18:21:03 *than Sep 03 18:21:21 why wouldn't it be better than ext3? Sep 03 18:21:54 3) defragmetning (on linux) is possible: ext2 has offline defrag utility (offline - you need to umount FS), ext4 has online defrag utility (supported by kernel driver!) Sep 03 18:22:40 4) but defragmenting ext* is not usually needed, structure of ext should prevent it and kernel driver is good at it Sep 03 18:23:00 well you mostly defrag with cp -ar var var_new ... Sep 03 18:23:11 Humpelstilzchen: no you don't, you use e4defrag Sep 03 18:23:20 and let the driver actually defrag stuff Sep 03 18:23:29 while keeping any file descriptor open Sep 03 18:23:42 yes e4defrag call special ioctl which tell kernel driver to relocate & defrag file Sep 03 18:23:55 kerio: sounds like it will work only on ext4 Sep 03 18:23:56 working only with ext4 (no ext3/ext2) Sep 03 18:24:17 it does Sep 03 18:24:47 ext3 kernel driver does not have offline defrag support - for sure Sep 03 18:25:44 anyway, I would ask you, do you know any disadvantage for UDF FS? Sep 03 18:26:19 write support maybe? Sep 03 18:26:44 win/linux/mac support writing to UDF Sep 03 18:27:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format Sep 03 18:29:15 so everything but winxp Sep 03 18:29:26 yes Sep 03 18:29:51 Pali: what about btrfs? Sep 03 18:30:36 phoronix shown that in some tests it was slower then ext4... Sep 03 18:30:50 and I think that btrfs is too complicated Sep 03 18:31:12 and supported only by linux Sep 03 18:31:21 and it is oracle product Sep 03 18:31:33 which I do not like :-) Sep 03 18:34:18 NIN101: yes is possible to redirect what i hear, but it break normal systemd... Sep 03 18:44:30 drathir: I dunno. Sep 03 18:47:35 break how in default systemd store logs... Sep 03 18:49:30 yeah, I didn't know. Sep 03 18:49:36 in different logs per service is much cleaner personally for me... Sep 03 18:49:57 I am sure you can filter journald logs per service. Sep 03 18:53:01 oh btw if your journald logs get corrupted just ignore it Sep 03 18:53:31 sure. Sep 03 18:58:57 true if corrupted all services logs lost... Sep 03 19:01:06 I just wanted to make point out not everything that site says is complete and true. Sep 03 20:44:50 NIN101: yes could be true not all mods/alternatives included... Sep 03 20:49:19 hmm cssu update down the airwaves.. Sep 03 20:55:09 hmm ? Sep 03 20:59:12 dunno, got a update over the air, not sure what triggered it Sep 03 21:27:23 Is there any way to get group texting on N900? Sep 03 21:29:44 cssu stable 7 Sep 03 22:36:07 Turns out I bought my battery Dec 2012 so it's ~20 months old. Sep 03 22:39:55 ecc3g: it's your friendly CSSU team providing you with the latest bugfixes and security patches ;) Sep 03 22:41:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable#21.2011.38-1Smaemo7_.2803.09.2014.29 Sep 03 22:51:21 A suppose 20 months isn't so bad for a Li-ion that gets discharged and then fully charged every 24 hours. So that's over 600 charge cycles. Sep 03 23:04:31 yeah I just saw there was a version info "2011" due to truncation that seemd a bit odd. Sep 03 23:04:56 and yeah 20 months of daily complete charge/discharge is not bad... Sep 03 23:07:29 I think the battery in my n900 is about 4 years old (it was "borrowed" from my old phone)... it only holds about 1050mAh now. I was charging every day (partial discharge, maybe 20%-30%) when I was using the nuron, and about a full discharge every two days now on the n900 Sep 03 23:10:12 I'm surprised it hasn't decayed much since when I first was able to finally get calibrated. Sep 03 23:14:54 ecc3g: people do get confused with the 2011 section of the package name. This will never change as it denotes the last Nokia version. "Smaemo7" is the important bit. Sep 03 23:23:10 sixwheeledbeast: oooh so you did release it ! thanks \o/ Sep 03 23:23:30 (you and the others of course ;) Sep 03 23:26:19 bencoh: actually merlin released it. I only tested it before PR Sep 04 01:08:50 Is there a trick to making wlancond recover from respawning too fast? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 04 02:59:58 2014