**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 23 03:00:00 2014 Sep 23 04:59:24 damn, I wish I had a N900 dev setup right now but I dont :( Sep 23 09:12:46 little paradox - with broken screen vnc not working at n900 ;/ Sep 23 09:14:44 mornin... Sep 23 09:17:02 mean program works but no output... Sep 23 09:17:56 the same behaviour at tv-out... Sep 23 09:23:22 drathir: screen locked? Sep 23 09:42:06 I cant believe how easy it is to figure out what location-proxy is doing... Sep 23 10:24:41 freemangordon_: no autolock enabled, more possible no reaction to open the slider, but also not sure that because on open the kb flashing loks like positive detecting... Sep 23 10:25:07 looks* Sep 23 10:26:17 freemangordon_: in my feelings looks like w/o display the x session not properly auto konfigured... Sep 23 10:26:35 configured* Sep 23 14:45:35 Hi guys Sep 23 14:50:42 hi Sep 23 14:50:47 :O Sep 23 14:50:58 somebody still alive in the maemo community? Sep 23 14:52:45 hi... Sep 23 14:52:56 i will buy a new phone, and i'm here cause i was interested in maemo/meego environment Sep 23 14:53:08 but i don't know probably a thing about.. Sep 23 14:53:17 so can you help me?:) Sep 23 14:53:31 ! flasher Sep 23 14:53:36 !flasher Sep 23 14:53:45 ~flasher Sep 23 14:53:46 methinks flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Sep 23 14:54:09 can someone help me? Sep 23 14:55:03 ~flashing Sep 23 14:55:04 from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 23 14:55:28 for start too make sure device is clean... Sep 23 14:55:41 ~firmware Sep 23 14:55:42 it has been said that firmware is please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher Sep 23 14:55:53 ~combined Sep 23 14:55:53 combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Sep 23 14:56:00 ~emmc Sep 23 14:56:00 emmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Sep 23 14:56:07 Freemantle: ^^ Sep 23 14:57:02 Freemantle: if any specific questions feel free to ask here... Sep 23 14:57:17 specific yes: Sep 23 14:57:25 meego is RPm based right? Sep 23 14:57:35 RPM* Sep 23 14:58:04 Freemantle: what i know its not using deb ones, but not sure... Sep 23 14:58:15 as i thought Sep 23 14:58:19 so hy i read around Sep 23 14:58:24 things like: Sep 23 14:58:36 "..app for meego" and there is a .db files? Sep 23 14:58:39 no-sense Sep 23 14:58:43 n900 deb based is... Sep 23 14:58:45 deb* Sep 23 14:59:29 look here Sep 23 14:59:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87428 Sep 23 14:59:38 it's written " meego app" Sep 23 14:59:51 but it's a .deb file!(for maemo) Sep 23 14:59:58 i don't understand.. Sep 23 15:00:45 harmattan was branded as meego to show the public that meego was alive, but it wasn't reall a meego system, was it? Sep 23 15:00:52 mere styling. Sep 23 15:00:56 Freemantle: need to wait for experts maybe package manager there is able to using deb ones too, not sure of that... Sep 23 15:01:49 @zGrr i read about the fake Maemo6,but still i read around about RPM manager in the OS Sep 23 15:02:03 if good remember is big difference between maemo and meego... Sep 23 15:02:20 drathir, as i know too Sep 23 15:02:49 that's why i don't understand how all the meego users get working .deb files Sep 23 15:03:01 RPM? In harmattan? maybe in some planned systtem that was supposed to replace it. Sep 23 15:03:04 it was supposed to be .rpm ones Sep 23 15:03:16 :O Sep 23 15:03:16 Harmattan uses debs Sep 23 15:03:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo Sep 23 15:03:47 read by yourself Sep 23 15:03:59 maybe alien using ? no idea... Sep 23 15:03:59 Package manager RPM Package Manager Sep 23 15:04:01 yeah, yeah Sep 23 15:04:11 read what *we* tell you :) Sep 23 15:04:32 Meego was a mess. And probably still is. Sep 23 15:04:37 yea so the fake mameo6 is real.. Sep 23 15:04:55 Freemantle: maybe erase in your mind Meego... and replace it with Harmattan Sep 23 15:05:01 so the actually meego pr.13 accept deb and have apt-get as package manager? Sep 23 15:05:16 Freemantle: correct Sep 23 15:05:29 LOL dat wikipedia lier xD Sep 23 15:05:40 ok guys thanks Sep 23 15:05:45 can you helpè me Sep 23 15:06:03 decide about choosing the phone' Sep 23 15:06:10 ?* Sep 23 15:06:12 Freemantle: wikipedia did not lie. Nokia did. Sep 23 15:06:20 lol Sep 23 15:06:22 LOL zGrr Sep 23 15:06:40 i will buy a new phone Sep 23 15:06:52 allofthem are crap Sep 23 15:06:58 but i really enjoy te maemo community environment Sep 23 15:07:06 the* Sep 23 15:07:22 if i choose maemo as OS i will take the N9 Sep 23 15:07:38 but still i'm afraid about the apps Sep 23 15:07:50 I have both N9 and N900. I still use N900 as my primary phone. Sep 23 15:07:54 officially it's a dead environment,isn't it? Sep 23 15:08:06 Dead as a dodo Sep 23 15:08:18 as a dodo=? Sep 23 15:08:23 ahh Sep 23 15:08:25 the animal Sep 23 15:08:27 LOL Sep 23 15:08:35 n900 exclude years still rocks... no alternatives... Sep 23 15:09:03 you are a little hidden community to my eyes why n900 rocks? Sep 23 15:09:14 i'm pretty curious Sep 23 15:09:26 almost clean debian powered... Sep 23 15:09:36 compare a nexus5 ith a n90,what stop you from buying a N5? Sep 23 15:09:36 in my opinion... Sep 23 15:09:46 with* Sep 23 15:10:01 You cannot compare it. Sep 23 15:10:02 it's a matter of pgones or OS? Sep 23 15:10:09 you prbably right Sep 23 15:10:19 so what is the matter? Sep 23 15:10:32 * drathir dont like spying android ;/ and want to have full access to radio... Sep 23 15:10:50 I don't know. I wouldn't touch an android even with my leg. Sep 23 15:11:49 LOL i think the NSA don't even have any exploit or backdoor acces for such dead OS Sep 23 15:11:54 put android traffic by squid You run with scream ;p Sep 23 15:12:01 It is not dead. Sep 23 15:12:12 officially it is Sep 23 15:12:31 Freemantle: why are *you* interested in Maemo/MeeGo? Sep 23 15:12:33 i saw a survived environment still, with the users effort Sep 23 15:12:45 It is just that there is no modern hardware to run it on. Sep 23 15:12:46 no only nokia "free" the support for community only support... Sep 23 15:13:10 System is not dead. Nokia is dead. Sep 23 15:13:14 me? i hate to be mainstream,want to have a MiniPC with phone calls,and do pentesting on the way Sep 23 15:14:02 and of course more battery life as possible Sep 23 15:14:04 and why you choose an old device/OS for that? Sep 23 15:14:11 but with that "old" hw on board not look tragic one like... android have problems at 4 cores ;p Sep 23 15:14:38 i didn't cose anything,that's why i'm herei need to know how it is and if it can suit my needs Sep 23 15:14:55 Freemantle: battery life sadly weak point... in my opinion... Sep 23 15:15:11 either on n9? Sep 23 15:15:22 no n9 info sadly... Sep 23 15:15:33 there is no differences between Nemo mobile and Meego? Sep 23 15:15:52 * drathir only prefer hw kb ones phones... Sep 23 15:16:04 I never really liked N9. Sep 23 15:16:04 so why not the n950? Sep 23 15:16:19 N950? Rare species Sep 23 15:16:24 or N5 ;) Sep 23 15:16:46 * drathir neo900 waitin ;p Sep 23 15:16:51 N5 doesn't have hw kb Sep 23 15:17:11 i meant.. can't you try it for pentesting use? Sep 23 15:17:16 nee90 still unaccesible.. Sep 23 15:17:43 Sicelo,just for srrating Aircrack is available only for 3 device AFIK Sep 23 15:17:49 AFAIK Sep 23 15:17:58 one is the N9/900 Sep 23 15:18:01 but in my opinion only that one is next gen n900 rest not similar to n900 ;/ Sep 23 15:18:01 i know :D Sep 23 15:18:13 the second is the Sgalaxy S2 Sep 23 15:18:23 and the third im not sure exists Sep 23 15:18:35 so just to snif and other things, i can't Sep 23 15:18:48 the point i'm drving at then, Freemantle, is that .. you probably shouldn't wonder why we're all interested in N900, as old as it may be Sep 23 15:18:52 :D Sep 23 15:19:17 i'm discovering my inner love woith your help xD Sep 23 15:19:30 BUT Sep 23 15:19:33 for me no alternative to n900 until neo900 "spawn"... Sep 23 15:19:45 still with apps you can anyway sniff and strip with apps on android Sep 23 15:19:58 like dsploit Sep 23 15:20:02 android is powerless... ;p Sep 23 15:20:12 you don't have to get root to use it Sep 23 15:20:25 and you can get a perfect automated tool Sep 23 15:20:37 that meego lacks Sep 23 15:21:12 they finally discovered way to get into monitor mode at android?? Sep 23 15:21:23 Meego? What Meego? Sep 23 15:21:43 Meego lacks from a suit like dSploit Sep 23 15:22:19 I don't know. I'm not into security auditing business. Sep 23 15:22:49 actually you guys are you mounting maemo5 or meego? Sep 23 15:22:55 or nemo? Sep 23 15:23:06 ? Sep 23 15:23:13 mounting? Sep 23 15:23:23 running* Sep 23 15:23:29 lol if needed even possible run arch at n900 ;p Sep 23 15:23:43 drathir you got the point!!! Sep 23 15:23:47 i guess archassault also no problem... Sep 23 15:24:06 my dream is to have a distro in a phone Sep 23 15:24:24 What are you talking about? Sep 23 15:24:32 Freemantle: no mounting ;p native running ^^ Sep 23 15:24:43 anyway actually what OS are you running now on your devices? Sep 23 15:24:58 * drathir dual maemo/arch Sep 23 15:25:35 both ofc native not chroot ;p Sep 23 15:25:43 arch??? Sep 23 15:25:45 wtf?:O Sep 23 15:26:03 now what? Sep 23 15:26:20 ofc when needed arch at chroot in maemo also no problem ;p Sep 23 15:26:57 arch with phone support? Sep 23 15:27:01 i mean calls and sms? Sep 23 15:27:07 and 3g data? Sep 23 15:27:09 You got maemo+arch app available at one time... Sep 23 15:27:19 :O? Sep 23 15:27:33 Freemantle: weak support for modem atm, but who know with time... Sep 23 15:28:00 nether simple calls and sms? Sep 23 15:28:11 3G data worked on both arch & debian when i used them .. so did sms Sep 23 15:28:38 Freemantle: dont wish a miracled doing something from nothing... gretings for all developer and hard work to make that possible... Sep 23 15:28:58 holy words drathir Sep 23 15:29:15 gsm voice is actively being worked on .. important bits are already in mainstream kernel Sep 23 15:29:20 are there any guides on this? Sep 23 15:29:28 but is the n900 laggy compared to the n9 &N950? Sep 23 15:29:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81892 Sep 23 15:29:48 arch ^ Sep 23 15:29:57 * drathir wonder who say that maemo or n900 is dead ? ^^ Sep 23 15:30:33 Freemantle: arch with n900+xfce4 is smoothly ;p Sep 23 15:31:01 N9 feels crappy compared to N900. Sep 23 15:31:09 Half baked product. Sep 23 15:31:16 zGrr: ++ Sep 23 15:31:26 drathir AFA you know, all these things running on n900 are working on N9/N950 either? Sep 23 15:32:34 I almost bought Jolla recently. Sep 23 15:33:15 Gave up after discovering that they don't have SIP support working. Sep 23 15:33:49 Freemantle: like i say hw kb for me is prior and dont like the way how work meego a little what i remember, more like maemo... Sep 23 15:33:54 zGrr depends on the end-user, if it needed.. Sep 23 15:34:24 I am back! Sep 23 15:34:39 @drathir so you actually are runnign maemo5? Sep 23 15:34:53 zGrr: jolla for me is strange thing, trying to make better something what was really good and became like always ;/ Sep 23 15:35:32 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux Sep 23 15:35:44 * Sicelo is on M5 (daily device.. only device actually) Sep 23 15:36:14 * drathir 2devices atm... Sep 23 15:36:38 but if all apps working on meeo either why you still on old maemo? Sep 23 15:36:44 meego* Sep 23 15:37:04 drathir: I wish them good luck, but I'm not sure if there's enough hipsters out there to keep the business going. Sep 23 15:37:30 It has that hipster-ish appeal, doesn't it? Sep 23 15:37:32 one fully working exclude broken usb, second is working w/o lcd/ and maybe gsm its for external charger usage... Sep 23 15:37:40 because 'old Maemo' works just fine Sep 23 15:38:33 There is no meego. Sep 23 15:38:40 * drathir more like maemo than meego because of strange security policy at megoo packages too.. Sep 23 15:39:21 * Terminator thinks android is opensource fork of maemo Sep 23 15:39:33 what stops you guys from using Meego if they both runningthe same package manager and Meego it's supposed to be better than Maemo? Sep 23 15:39:47 Lol terminator Sep 23 15:39:57 zGrr: for most "normal" users android with 4 cores is enough for me power of my n900 and almost clean linux is enough... Sep 23 15:40:31 Freemantle: zGrr said there isn't MeeGo Sep 23 15:41:02 Terminator: there is opens source fork of android if good remember not sure of its name... Sep 23 15:41:15 but you replied to me with "maemo", the official name it's Meego even if "thre isn't any Meego"! Sep 23 15:41:47 drathir,it's AOSP Sep 23 15:41:50 ? Sep 23 15:42:17 drathir: my workmate tried it last week on his samsung. He said it is just as bad as Android, if not worse. Sep 23 15:43:24 zGrr: not have a try with that, even i use how less possible android too, only when really must eg help someone with problems with phone;/ Sep 23 15:44:03 Freemantle: 15:04 < Sicelo> Freemantle: maybe erase in your mind Meego... and replace it with Harmattan Sep 23 15:44:21 Has someone listening have had hands on Blackphone? Sep 23 15:44:37 really once i connected android to my network throught squid proxy and its one big mess calls everywhere want ;p Sep 23 15:44:40 Sicelo, sorry Sep 23 15:44:46 Looks IMHO quite interesting. Sep 23 15:45:14 What's a Blackphone? Sep 23 15:45:47 elias_a_: for me isnt secure because of its based at android anyway ;/ Sep 23 15:46:41 elias_a_: its some kind of running linux at windows host... Sep 23 15:46:50 agree with drathir Sep 23 15:46:56 its mad thing ;/ Sep 23 15:47:54 https://www.blackphone.ch/ ? Sep 23 15:48:09 elias_a_: ofc i guess they improve the security but still isnt a secure phone for me... Sep 23 15:48:35 maybe thats is little insane but /me prefer bb than android... Sep 23 15:48:54 It's not insane. Sep 23 15:49:19 Q10 is a nice phone. Sep 23 15:49:29 guys where you get apps? still on ovi store? Sep 23 15:50:09 for me is enough not strange connections throught squid at all... i know that could be leaks by bis/bes at rim servers side, but its still more secure in my opinion... Sep 23 15:50:26 drathir: Seems to me they have rewritten the kernel. Sep 23 15:51:29 https://github.com/sgp-blackphone/Blackphone-BP1-Kernel/ Sep 23 15:51:36 elias_a_: maybe thats is correct, but if true in theory its possible in all android phones for free... Sep 23 15:52:36 there more pays i gues for using their infra of servers to make a phone calls... Sep 23 15:53:11 drathir: I am not sure if I understand you. Sep 23 15:53:46 Freemantle: apps are installed from the application manager via repositories. that is if you are still talking about N900 and Fremantle/Maemo Sep 23 15:53:58 elias_a_: You have secure comunication at blackphone only in range of their servers... Sep 23 15:54:42 drathir: Or alternatively with some other provider doing the same tricks, right? Sep 23 15:55:18 sixwheeledbeast: my true question is where you get tha paid apps?(they cost pretty much compared to playstore&appstore prices) Sep 23 15:55:37 N9 and N950 have no future support. N900 and Fremantle is still supported by the community. If you wish for pentesting you are best to choose N900. Sep 23 15:55:51 Paid apps, what paid apps? Sep 23 15:56:06 elias_a_: what hear only in range theirs servers that works, but maybe changed... Sep 23 15:56:23 You pay to the authors. Sometimes they ask for it. Sep 23 15:56:26 sixwheeledbeast, services like shaazam,where you get them? Sep 23 15:56:49 Shaazam? Never heard of it. Sep 23 15:56:49 drathir: I do not understand what you are saying. Sep 23 15:57:14 Freemantle: Ovi store died long ago. There are very little propitiatory applications like that, this isn't android ;) Sep 23 15:57:16 shazam* Sep 23 15:57:58 elias_a_: its country restricted and what i guessing their using own bts network/servers... Sep 23 15:58:23 Freemantle: you don't Sep 23 15:58:37 drathir: Ok. I'll look into it. Sep 23 15:59:19 so where you actually get the most apps? Sep 23 15:59:31 "their servers" == lags - right? Sep 23 15:59:40 Freemantle: Most of the applications are FOSS, companies don't make applications for Maemo (they probably don't know or care we exist) Sep 23 16:00:01 define "most apps" Sep 23 16:00:01 elias_a_: i read about it when theorehical data publically discovered not much detailed info was available in that time, now maybe little more info about... Sep 23 16:00:14 Freemantle: from the endless ecosystem of Debian. Sep 23 16:00:17 zGrr: shazam is nice thing... Sep 23 16:00:49 sixwheeledbeast, good question,in fact i saw theapps i need already exists.. Sep 23 16:01:22 Eyrie is a FOSS replacement for shazam BTW. Sep 23 16:01:31 drathir: some music service, right? Sep 23 16:01:49 zama: eyrie is alternative to shazam what i hear... Sep 23 16:02:07 drathir: Just to make it easier for me to understand: is your native language polish? Sep 23 16:02:23 zGrr: that program from sound sample show what music is played... Sep 23 16:02:34 seems to be some kind of web based audio fingerprinting service Sep 23 16:02:46 for matching audio against known songs Sep 23 16:02:46 drathir: i see. I heard of them. Never tried it. Sep 23 16:02:52 raccoon_: correct Sep 23 16:03:46 I wonder if shazam could recognize someone like for example Sainkho Namtchylak? :) Sep 23 16:03:50 drathir: "picard" should be installable on maemo although i don't know if it is in the official repos Sep 23 16:04:07 it is supported on debian and has been for quite a while. sorry if that doesn't answer your question though Sep 23 16:04:09 like openvpn,telegram,whatsapp,pdf reader,office suite,aircrack,mail client,a browser(how firefox works?there are other browsers?) Sep 23 16:04:52 Freemantle: there is "microb", a mobile mozilla based browser. there is also opera mobile and you can install firefox/iceweasel Sep 23 16:05:01 zGrr: shazam is really good even with really bad sample... Sep 23 16:05:39 raccoon_: thanks a lot... Sep 23 16:05:54 I have to ask someone with more up to date smartphone to give it a try. Sep 23 16:06:05 fennec is also available but little high resource usage... Sep 23 16:06:14 opera is the best one... Sep 23 16:06:40 drathir: sorry, i meant to say "musicbrainz", not "picard". should be fairly easy to install on maemo Sep 23 16:07:12 raccoon_: i check too... thanks a lot... Sep 23 16:08:29 guys actually exists some huge repo community driven? Sep 23 16:10:11 Freemantle: IMO to get the most out of Maemo you have to be prepared to work for some things. If that be fixing up a dirty script, porting stuff from debian, helping beta test some application. If that's definitely not your thing and just want every smartphone app to work, OOTB, look somewhere else. Sep 23 16:10:37 Freemantle: Firefox doesn't work but stock browser is fine and gecko based Sep 23 16:11:17 Freemantle: there is fennec but uses so much resource its not worth installing Sep 23 16:11:25 actually it's enough to be sure that all th prev listed apps are working on n9 Sep 23 16:12:35 The protective screen on my N900 starts to wear off. I was looking for replacement and they had screen or full body layers. I currently had full body layer but it started to wear off from the left side a month to its placement :D Sep 23 16:12:50 Has anyone had those only screen layers in use? Sep 23 16:12:52 anyway i'm open to fixing porting & etc.but i can't found any guidline to do that,not even how to compile (for example) nginx or a webserver for the n9 Sep 23 16:13:16 stock mail client and pdf reader are ok, I am still talking N900 here tho. Sep 23 16:13:58 I am not well up on the flop that was the N9 Sep 23 16:14:09 ~aegis Sep 23 16:14:10 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Sep 23 16:14:18 yuk Sep 23 16:14:31 there is some n9 club? to talk with? Sep 23 16:15:50 try #harmattan for N9 related chat, most people here are Maemo users or have both. Sep 23 16:16:02 thanks Sep 23 16:17:01 sixwheeledbeast, how much battery life you have on you n900? Sep 23 16:17:07 Thats good all the Harmattan pages have been removed from Nokia Sep 23 16:17:48 D: so where i can get some guide to compile for,or anyway do things by my self? Sep 23 16:18:30 Freemantle: I get a day with fairly heavy usage and set to check for WLAN and e-mail every 10 minutes. Sep 23 16:18:54 wiki.maemo.org contains most information about the dev environment Sep 23 16:19:06 also see ~sb Sep 23 16:19:08 ~sb Sep 23 16:19:09 i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Sep 23 16:19:10 valid for harmattan either? Sep 23 16:19:49 oh jesus,i don't know a thing about this things xD Sep 23 16:20:22 some Harmattan stuff is on the wiki but a lot of Harmattan kinda died with Nokia Sep 23 16:20:45 no mirrors?could be? Sep 23 16:20:47 D: Sep 23 16:21:26 ? maybe ask on Harmattan for N9 stuff. Sep 23 16:21:54 hope to find someone..atm i's like a desert there :( Sep 23 16:22:26 this channel? 0.o Sep 23 16:22:39 i think everyone has been very helpful to you :) Sep 23 16:22:48 Freemantle: that doesn't surprise me, I am surprised anybody wants a N9 Sep 23 16:22:58 Sicelo: on #harmattan Sep 23 16:23:04 ah Sep 23 16:23:59 kinda poof performnces the n900 Sep 23 16:24:09 better a n9/n900 i think Sep 23 16:24:13 poor* Sep 23 16:24:55 poor in what way? It's more open and has more community support Sep 23 16:25:16 it has less memory Sep 23 16:25:23 less ram Sep 23 16:25:28 less disk less cpu Sep 23 16:25:52 so more latencys Sep 23 16:26:03 that consume more battery Sep 23 16:27:29 * Sicelo wants another N900 Sep 23 16:27:53 wait a second Sep 23 16:28:31 if i run harmattan on the n9 i have to soemtime compile for harmattan to work Sep 23 16:28:41 18:25 < Freemantle> so more latencys Sep 23 16:28:41 18:26 < Freemantle> that consume more battery Sep 23 16:28:43 that makes no sense man Sep 23 16:28:58 but if i install maemo5 on the n9 i can use the n900 aps without any compiling? Sep 23 16:29:07 no Sep 23 16:29:17 you won't install Maemo5 on N9 Sep 23 16:29:23 ?:O Sep 23 16:31:01 less ram it's a pain for me,i f open apps browsers and start metasploit i don't think i will able to do it.. Sep 23 16:31:52 Freemantle: Why is less RAM and CPU an issue? Sep 23 16:32:28 because I using a lot of apps in backgrounds Sep 23 16:32:54 Freemantle: we all do ;) Sep 23 16:33:20 twitter client mail clients,browser,sms and calls,and while they are inbackground i will use some big sopftware like a webserver and metasploit Sep 23 16:33:57 You don't need a V8 mustang to go to the shops? It's all about how efficient each application is. Sep 23 16:34:32 some of the apps afaik are simply interpreted not native anyway Sep 23 16:36:22 which ones? Sep 23 16:36:40 metasploit Sep 23 16:36:59 I have no issues running browser and 2 other applications while on the phone and have daemons for stock mail etc running Sep 23 16:37:05 a web server could be lighttpd or python simplehttperver Sep 23 16:37:26 I am not even on Thumb on that device. Sep 23 16:38:05 sixwheeledbeast: actually the real issue here is that web stuff isnt efficient at all Sep 23 16:38:09 (but you know that already :) Sep 23 16:38:30 bencoh: "web stuff"? Sep 23 16:40:48 how you guys can explain this?: http://twitpic.com/5tkqhs Sep 23 16:42:34 sixwheeledbeast: web sites, "webapp", ... Sep 23 17:20:53 Trying to debate on the next move from my N900. Is the Neo900 still going strong or should I just get a Nokia N9 (or Nokia N950 if it is available)? Suggestions? Sep 23 17:21:53 Neo900 going strong, apparently.. but if you need a device fast, you shouldn't be disappointed on N900 Sep 23 17:22:39 Sicelo: I have a N900. I could always buy another one if this one breaks but looking forward to future. Sep 23 17:22:57 Istill fail to see how N9 is a upgrade from N900 Sep 23 17:23:20 s/Istill/I still/ Sep 23 17:23:21 sixwheeledbeast meant: I still fail to see how N9 is a upgrade from N900 Sep 23 17:23:24 sixwheeledbeast: right, no keyboard is a killer for me. Sep 23 17:24:28 I wouldn't mind a N950 though. Those look nice and I think that should have been the N9 instead of keyboardless (and other things). Sep 23 17:25:22 sixwheeledbeast, after some googling i found repos apps and guide for the N9 :D Sep 23 17:25:34 even compiling if needed Sep 23 17:25:48 thanks to all of you guys ofr the answers :) Sep 23 17:26:04 np Sep 23 18:27:34 ~slay systemd Sep 23 18:27:35 * infobot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, systemd!" apt lops off systemd's head. Sep 23 18:28:35 <3 Sep 23 18:30:54 but excalibur doesn't behead :s Sep 23 18:30:58 you want vorpal blade for that Sep 23 18:33:15 Tekk_: is this any use for porting Go? http://home.gna.org/quarry/ Sep 23 18:41:31 sixwheeledbeast: cgoban would probably be the best bet Sep 23 18:41:38 I'd just havo te get around to actually building a package from my dev vm :P Sep 23 18:41:50 ok :) Sep 23 18:45:51 what is the thing about Go? Sep 23 18:51:05 does anybody know where i can get nokia n900 screws from? Sep 23 18:51:36 wizbit: a n900 Sep 23 18:51:43 yes Sep 23 18:51:43 * kerio is helpful Sep 23 18:52:05 i guess they must be some standard size Sep 23 19:56:40 anyone knows a simple way to make N900 open the mobile site of YouTube? Sep 23 20:03:54 Sicelo: they don't have a mobile site anymore AFAIK Sep 23 20:05:27 they do.. my roommate's blackberry uses it .. he has good playback of videos, while i basically can't watch anything (we're on same connection) Sep 23 20:09:24 Sicelo: it maybe some hacky script that grabs the user agent. Sep 23 20:10:52 i know his blackberry 9320 has more 'juice' than my N900 (806MHz cpu + 512MB ram) Sep 23 20:11:25 Sicelo: that's mostly irrelevant Sep 23 20:11:32 video decoding is probably hardware accelerated on both Sep 23 20:11:44 also, use cutetube Sep 23 20:11:47 it works pretty well Sep 23 20:12:52 yeah.. i have cutecube :) Sep 23 20:13:23 Sicelo: QML-browser WFM on youtube Sep 23 20:13:44 it's the full site but the videos play. Sep 23 20:15:15 I also generally use cutetube Sep 23 20:17:01 i must still try qmlbrowser. i seem to be reading a lot of good things about it :) Sep 23 20:18:10 Sicelo: Yep the site seems to detect the user agent and redirects to m.youtube or youtube. Sep 23 20:20:03 qml-browser has a few bugs at the moment but generally it's great. With all the bugs fixed it will become my default browser over MicroB. Sep 23 20:46:44 ~seen ashley Sep 23 20:46:49 ashley is currently on #maemo, last said: 'I try not to touch midgard even with a ten-feet pole'. Sep 23 20:47:26 lol, fifty feet pole maybe Sep 23 20:49:56 i wouldn't touch yer mom with a fifty feet pole Sep 23 22:27:00 hmm, is location widget supposed to launch ovi maps when clicked? Sep 23 23:07:00