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Oct 20 03:13:34 <Oksana> Try 'apt-get --reinstall install adobe-flashplayer'
Oct 20 03:13:49 <Oksana> And tell the error(s), if any.
Oct 20 07:51:38 <Vajb> what would it take to get scandic letters (äö) support for qquiz?
Oct 20 10:17:24 <zGrr> moin :)
Oct 20 10:33:16 <Vajb> hi
Oct 20 12:09:09 <gogogogo> hello, I'm the guy with the unmet dependencies error who wrote you last night. I read Oksana's suggestions and tried "apt-get --reinstall adobe-flashplayer"
Oct 20 12:09:23 <gogogogo> unfortunately I got "Invalid operataion adobe-flashplayer"
Oct 20 12:11:04 <capsule> try to install it with opk or search with software application center
Oct 20 12:11:51 <gogogogo> I'm actually trying to install "gstreamer-tools" but adobe-flashplayer dependencies issues always get in my way
Oct 20 12:12:23 <gogogogo> I can't uninstall flashplayer trought hildon
Oct 20 12:12:52 <gogogogo> mm.. what do you think I should try?
Oct 20 12:13:17 <gogogogo> I think I can do without flashplayer, I don't care about YouTube or else..
Oct 20 12:13:43 <capsule> uninstall adobe flashplayer , and re-install him from apt-get / opk / Application center
Oct 20 12:16:09 <capsule> with terminal , you can check adobe flashplayer version 
Oct 20 12:16:16 <capsule> write : $dpkg --get-selections
Oct 20 12:16:38 <capsule> for make list , find it , uninstall him wit : 
Oct 20 12:18:22 <capsule> gogogogo , go to : http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/06/install-remove-deb-package/
Oct 20 12:19:03 <gogogogo> ok I'm trying
Oct 20 12:20:30 <gogogogo> $dpkg --get-selections -> not found
Oct 20 12:20:43 <capsule> hmm
Oct 20 12:20:55 <capsule> put name off flash player adobe
Oct 20 12:20:58 <capsule> after --
Oct 20 12:21:07 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 12:21:09 <capsule> like dpkg --Adobe
Oct 20 12:21:13 <capsule> but i am not sure
Oct 20 12:21:30 <gogogogo> again, not found
Oct 20 12:21:37 <capsule> i am on windows -______- at this moment , i can't try with u :/
Oct 20 12:21:54 <capsule> u need to replace --get-selections
Oct 20 12:21:56 <gogogogo> don't worry, you're being useful anyway
Oct 20 12:22:00 <capsule> by paquet name
Oct 20 12:22:04 <capsule> package name
Oct 20 12:22:36 <gogogogo> thegeekstuff.com teaches how to uninstall via terminal
Oct 20 12:22:42 <capsule> yes
Oct 20 12:22:43 <gogogogo> I will try
Oct 20 12:23:16 <gogogogo> oh ...
Oct 20 12:23:19 <capsule> first steps , just for chek if u have adobe flash player on ur computeur ;) and what version
Oct 20 12:23:22 <gogogogo> it gives a long error
Oct 20 12:24:12 <gogogogo> I'm writing from Windows, and I have the latest version for sure
Oct 20 12:24:24 <capsule> -____-
Oct 20 12:24:38 <gogogogo> anyway the error is "dependency problems prevent removal of adobe-flashplayer"
Oct 20 12:24:43 <capsule> u are on maemo chan ?
Oct 20 12:24:50 <gogogogo> yes
Oct 20 12:24:58 <gogogogo> my n900 is what I'm talking about
Oct 20 12:25:00 <capsule> maemo is linux o.s
Oct 20 12:25:02 <capsule> :D
Oct 20 12:25:03 <capsule> :D
Oct 20 12:25:14 <capsule> i have buy one , since 1 month
Oct 20 12:25:17 <capsule> i love it !!
Oct 20 12:25:18 <gogogogo> I am confused but NOT that much yet XD
Oct 20 12:25:19 <capsule> =)
Oct 20 12:25:28 <gogogogo> I'm sure you do, it's the best phone ever
Oct 20 12:25:34 <capsule> yeahhhh
Oct 20 12:25:35 <capsule> :p
Oct 20 12:25:53 <capsule> but now we need to make perfomance to linux world
Oct 20 12:25:54 <gogogogo> I just stupidily installed flash player D:
Oct 20 12:25:59 <capsule> and when u from windows is hard :p
Oct 20 12:26:09 <capsule> look about apt-get
Oct 20 12:26:13 <capsule> and dpkg
Oct 20 12:26:25 <gogogogo> I did, it's just I can't get rid of this problam
Oct 20 12:26:30 <gogogogo> problem*
Oct 20 12:26:34 <capsule> ior
Oct 20 12:26:36 <capsule> or
Oct 20 12:26:38 <gogogogo> with unmet dependencies
Oct 20 12:27:06 <capsule> go in application center
Oct 20 12:27:12 <capsule> without terminal
Oct 20 12:27:16 <gogogogo> yes
Oct 20 12:27:18 <capsule> graphical mode
Oct 20 12:27:26 <capsule> and check installed application
Oct 20 12:27:39 <capsule> if u see adobeflash :/
Oct 20 12:27:49 <gogogogo> it will take really long, I do find it installed
Oct 20 12:28:11 <gogogogo> and can't uninstall via gui either
Oct 20 12:28:49 <capsule> hmmm
Oct 20 12:29:01 <capsule>  try to close all aplication ?
Oct 20 12:29:16 <capsule> and try again
Oct 20 12:30:00 <gogogogo> I did
Oct 20 12:30:07 <gogogogo> all the same :\
Oct 20 12:30:27 <capsule> are u french ?
Oct 20 12:30:38 <gogogogo> nope but I can read French
Oct 20 12:30:46 <capsule> okok :)
Oct 20 12:31:13 <capsule> parceque je te comprend sans probleme , et je m'étonne moi meme ...
Oct 20 12:31:35 <capsule> u can read french with translate ? :p
Oct 20 12:32:43 <gogogogo> I can read it without translating it first, don't worry
Oct 20 12:32:58 <capsule> je ne m'inquiete pas ;)
Oct 20 12:33:16 <gogogogo> bien
Oct 20 12:35:11 <gogogogo> je ne sais pais quoi je doirai faire
Oct 20 12:38:37 <gogogogo> je ne voudrai pas reinitialiser mon telephone
Oct 20 12:41:37 <gogogogo> je seuis entrant de dejeuner, a bien tot
Oct 20 12:42:36 <capsule> salut
Oct 20 13:19:32 <gogogogo> je vien de dejeuner
Oct 20 13:20:54 <gogogogo> I will shift back to English, I just can't speak French anymore ;)
Oct 20 13:30:09 <capsule> :)
Oct 20 13:59:14 <capsule> do you know if i can use n900 as microphone on my computeur ??
Oct 20 14:05:20 <kerio> idk if pulseaudio can do network audio transfers
Oct 20 14:05:26 <kerio> iirc it had some problems
Oct 20 14:05:48 <Humpelstilzchen> stream the mic with gstreamer/udp
Oct 20 14:06:54 <Humpelstilzchen> capsule: you could do something like gst-launch pulsesrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! nokiaaacenc ! udpsink host=192.168.1.2 port=5000
Oct 20 14:09:10 <gogogogo> that would be awesome
Oct 20 14:09:28 <gogogogo> lucky you, I can't install gstreamer :)
Oct 20 14:09:48 <gogogogo> adobe is in the way goddamn it
Oct 20 14:10:10 <Humpelstilzchen> you can't install gst?
Oct 20 14:10:15 <freemangordon_> hmm?
Oct 20 14:10:22 <gogogogo> nope
Oct 20 14:10:23 <freemangordon_> it is already there
Oct 20 14:10:29 <freemangordon_> (on n900)
Oct 20 14:10:47 <gogogogo> I read on the SmartCam tutorial that you should get it from terminal..
Oct 20 14:11:14 <freemangordon_> get what?
Oct 20 14:11:17 <gogogogo> well, even better if it's already there, but still I have to unblock my apt-get
Oct 20 14:11:22 <gogogogo> gstreamer-tools
Oct 20 14:11:37 <freemangordon_> and... why is your apt-get blocked?
Oct 20 14:11:48 <gogogogo> unmet dependencies with adobe-flashplayer
Oct 20 14:11:55 <gogogogo> that I can't fix in any way
Oct 20 14:12:47 <Humpelstilzchen> should be fixable
Oct 20 14:12:48 <gogogogo> neither through hildon nor x-terminal
Oct 20 14:12:56 <Humpelstilzchen> whats the output?
Oct 20 14:13:17 <gogogogo> The following packages have unmet dependencies: mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: adobe-flashplayer (= 3.0.0.87+0m5) but 11.4.94 is installed
Oct 20 14:13:39 <gogogogo> hildon says that also home-tutorial-applet or something depends on flashplayer
Oct 20 14:13:52 <freemangordon_> where did you get that flashplayer from?
Oct 20 14:14:08 <gogogogo> it was a long time ago, I can't really remember
Oct 20 14:14:17 <Humpelstilzchen> apt-cache policy adobe-flashplayer
Oct 20 14:14:24 <freemangordon_> well, you can try to "apt-get install adobe-flashplayer=3.0.0.87+0m5"
Oct 20 14:14:30 <gogogogo> I'll try it right away
Oct 20 14:14:36 <gogogogo> both things
Oct 20 14:14:40 <gogogogo> thanks
Oct 20 14:16:46 <gogogogo> the output from apt-cache is quite long
Oct 20 14:17:10 <gogogogo> version table lists 2 different versions
Oct 20 14:17:34 <Humpelstilzchen> the output from apt-cache is to answer the question where your flash is coming from
Oct 20 14:17:49 <gogogogo> oh sorry
Oct 20 14:17:53 <gogogogo> I have a link
Oct 20 14:18:06 <gogogogo> https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages
Oct 20 14:18:18 <gogogogo> that's the link in the output
Oct 20 14:18:42 <Humpelstilzchen> thats the one you should have installed
Oct 20 14:19:06 <gogogogo> then I'll try the second advice
Oct 20 14:19:10 <Humpelstilzchen> (and not the one that is)
Oct 20 14:20:35 <gogogogo> tried apt-get install adobe-flashplayer=3....
Oct 20 14:20:41 <gogogogo> it aborts in the end
Oct 20 14:21:26 <Humpelstilzchen> can you pastebin?
Oct 20 14:21:32 <freemangordon_> what's the error?
Oct 20 14:21:41 <gogogogo> it's a pretty long one
Oct 20 14:21:50 <Humpelstilzchen> use a pastebin
Oct 20 14:21:55 <gogogogo> if you can wait a few minutes I'll copy and paste it on a note
Oct 20 14:21:58 <gogogogo> I'm from my pc
Oct 20 14:22:02 <gogogogo> and will use pastebin
Oct 20 14:22:31 <gogogogo> can I copy text from x-terminal?
Oct 20 14:22:45 <Humpelstilzchen> sure
Oct 20 14:23:22 <gogogogo> I can select it but ctrl+c doesn't do anything
Oct 20 14:23:36 <Humpelstilzchen> gogogogo: go to menu->copy
Oct 20 14:23:44 <gogogogo> ok there was a button in menu - copy
Oct 20 14:23:48 <gogogogo> yeah got it thank you
Oct 20 14:26:10 <gogogogo> here it is http://pastebin.com/bUM4dDWs
Oct 20 14:26:49 <Humpelstilzchen> uhm
Oct 20 14:26:56 <Humpelstilzchen> there is just an abort?
Oct 20 14:27:13 <gogogogo> yes
Oct 20 14:27:17 <gogogogo> when I press Y
Oct 20 14:29:37 <freemangordon_> broken apt cache?
Oct 20 14:30:06 <gogogogo> is there a way to find out?
Oct 20 14:30:20 <Humpelstilzchen> gogogogo: did you just try <enter> without Y?
Oct 20 14:30:27 <gogogogo> yes
Oct 20 14:30:32 <freemangordon_> :D
Oct 20 14:30:51 <Humpelstilzchen> why the hell does it abort?
Oct 20 14:31:02 <freemangordon_> gogogogo: also, do you have free space on rootfs
Oct 20 14:31:04 <freemangordon_> ?
Oct 20 14:31:05 <gogogogo> it gives "WARNING: the followin packages cannot be authenticated! adobe-flashplayer"
Oct 20 14:31:16 <Humpelstilzchen> thats no error
Oct 20 14:31:16 <freemangordon_> no, that's fime
Oct 20 14:31:27 <freemangordon_> what about free space on root?
Oct 20 14:31:29 <gogogogo> yes I guess so, but let me check Conky
Oct 20 14:31:39 <freemangordon_> df -h
Oct 20 14:32:06 <gogogogo> rootfs 161M/228M (63M)
Oct 20 14:33:44 <gogogogo> is that enough?
Oct 20 14:34:51 <freemangordon_> should be
Oct 20 14:34:52 <Humpelstilzchen> I have less and my apt works
Oct 20 14:35:11 <freemangordon_> gogogogo: what about /opt ?
Oct 20 14:35:20 <gogogogo> I don't know that :S
Oct 20 14:35:38 <gogogogo> opt in df -h has 1.1GB available
Oct 20 14:35:40 <freemangordon_> toldya, pastebin the output from "df -h"
Oct 20 14:35:46 <gogogogo> but I don't know that is
Oct 20 14:36:40 <freemangordon_> gogogogo: try "apt-get clean"
Oct 20 14:36:53 <gogogogo> do you still need the pastebin?
Oct 20 14:37:04 <freemangordon_> and "apt-get install ..." after that
Oct 20 14:37:08 <freemangordon_> yes
Oct 20 14:37:15 <gogogogo> ok, hold on a minute
Oct 20 14:37:26 <freemangordon_> also, I need the output of "mount"
Oct 20 14:38:51 * freemangordon_ is going afk, will continue when I am back home
Oct 20 14:39:39 <gogogogo> http://pastebin.com/qZZgKdpP
Oct 20 14:39:50 <gogogogo> I'm going to apt-get clean now
Oct 20 14:39:54 <capsule> hi freemangordon_ :)
Oct 20 14:40:31 <gogogogo> "apt-get clean" displays nothing
Oct 20 14:40:40 <Humpelstilzchen> thats fine clean has no output
Oct 20 14:40:45 <capsule> gogogogo you can follow freemangordon_ steps ;) he know :)
Oct 20 14:40:56 <gogogogo> thanks capsule
Oct 20 14:43:22 <gogogogo> would you suggest that I flash my phone?
Oct 20 14:59:13 <capsule> try to find how fix that
Oct 20 14:59:33 <capsule> or you risk to flash all time u meet problem :)
Oct 20 15:12:08 <freemangordon> gogogogo: try again with apt-get install
Oct 20 15:38:19 <gogogogo> apt-get install adobe-flashplayer
Oct 20 15:38:27 <gogogogo> do you mean this?
Oct 20 15:38:36 <Vajb> sorry to interrupt, but i asked earlier what would it take to make qquiz to support scandic characters (äö)?
Oct 20 15:38:52 <gogogogo> this is a free chan :)
Oct 20 15:39:05 <gogogogo> run over me anytime XD
Oct 20 15:42:07 <Vajb> thx i will :p
Oct 20 15:42:35 <Vajb> tho im at work now so won't be too intrusive.
Oct 20 15:45:49 <gogogogo> thank you kindly mate
Oct 20 15:48:01 <seemiyah> unbelievable! I did not got in here for about 6 years. I am glad to see that it still exists! Hi to everyone :)
Oct 20 15:50:02 <ecc3g> yep, still people using these devices...
Oct 20 15:51:38 <seemiyah> i realised a project for my n800 in 2007 and just finished its "rebirth" these weeks. Two days ago i had my n800 in my hands and when i popped up the camera i realised how breakthrough the design of the device was. had tears in my eyes ;)
Oct 20 15:52:40 <seemiyah> i will do a teaser-video these days and present the n800 as from my pov it rocked a lot that time.
Oct 20 15:53:26 <seemiyah> ecc3g: can you tell me if the n810 or n900 is capable of playing jquery animations?
Oct 20 15:53:41 <seemiyah> sorry, forget the "animations" thing. Is the browser capable of javascript?
Oct 20 15:54:34 <seemiyah> ecc3g: one of my projects at that time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbEuHHQGV3Q
Oct 20 15:57:20 <zGrr> good old days
Oct 20 16:01:20 <seemiyah> yeah. i yet remember the discussions we had in here when QT appeared on stage. The more i do love to see so many still in this channel.
Oct 20 16:02:23 <freemangordon> gogogogo: yes, with the correct version
Oct 20 16:06:30 <gogogogo> I will try in a few minutes, thanks freemangordon
Oct 20 16:36:10 * sixwheeledbeast contemplates if the ML is now just for random bitching sessions.
Oct 20 18:21:13 <Nokiabot> ~Nokiabot
Oct 20 18:21:13 <infobot> somebody said nokiabot was so damm sexy !
Oct 20 18:33:21 <Nokiabot> ~Ping
Oct 20 18:33:22 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 20 18:35:53 <Nokiabot> Dang my net seems to be alive its past 12 !
Oct 20 18:38:43 <Nokiabot> ~Ping
Oct 20 18:38:44 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 20 18:38:51 <Nokiabot> Eek
Oct 20 18:45:01 <Nokiabot> ~Ping
Oct 20 18:45:03 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 20 18:45:13 <Nokiabot> Oops
Oct 20 18:54:49 <Nokiabot> ~Ping
Oct 20 18:54:49 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 20 19:01:14 <Nokiabot> Anybody here whose also in #neo900
Oct 20 19:02:25 <Nokiabot> Please respond
Oct 20 19:19:56 <Sicelo> lol
Oct 20 19:20:12 <Sicelo> i am, and i think i'll add you on ignore too
Oct 20 19:28:16 <Nokiabot> Sileco:p why btw doc is on fire i donn know why he reacted to the facto so much :(
Oct 20 19:30:48 <Sicelo> it's noise
Oct 20 19:31:02 <Sicelo> you have network problem? why don't you look for a bouncer then?
Oct 20 19:32:06 <Nokiabot> Sicelo:whats a bouncer
Oct 20 19:32:46 <Sicelo> a program that allows you to be online on IRC 24/7. google znc for example
Oct 20 19:33:16 <Nokiabot> Sileco:well true btw i didnt think like that previously
Oct 20 19:34:38 <Nokiabot> Sicelo:thanx will se how to use it :)
Oct 20 20:40:47 <gogogogo> sorry for taking so long, I'm trying now and I get "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
Oct 20 20:41:01 <gogogogo> I'm not using the hildon application manager
Oct 20 20:41:45 <gogogogo> I'm trying* to "apt-get install gstreamer-tools" first to detect the exact version of adobe-flashplayer to downgrade to
Oct 20 20:42:32 <gogogogo> after the error I would try to install it but I can't use any apt-get..
Oct 20 20:44:06 <gogogogo> in top list  hildon is mentioned twice :hildon-status-menu and hildon-desktop
Oct 20 20:44:18 <gogogogo> then I read /usr/lib/apt/methods/http
Oct 20 20:46:08 <gogogogo> I happen to have just rebooted my phone and all I did afterwards is playing a game and sending a few sms. I didn't use any installation-related program
Oct 20 20:48:19 <Sicelo> are you root?
Oct 20 20:50:01 <gogogogo> yes
Oct 20 20:50:08 <gogogogo> I checked with "id"
Oct 20 20:52:33 <Sicelo> by the way, why are you even using apt? (i'm not saying it's 'wrong' as such [i use it], but you have to have good reason to .. hildon application manager is the recommended way to install sofware)
Oct 20 20:53:57 <Sicelo> and i'm not sure i understand "20:41 < gogogogo> I'm trying* to "apt-get install gstreamer-tools" first to detect the exact version of adobe-flashplayer to downgrade to"
Oct 20 20:54:30 <gogogogo> it's a long story :D
Oct 20 20:54:44 <gogogogo> hildon gets stuck due to flashplayer dependencies
Oct 20 20:55:05 <gogogogo> and gstreamer-tools (which I'm trying to install) is not available within hildon list
Oct 20 20:55:36 <gogogogo> I read that I had to use apt-get in SmartCam installation tutorial
Oct 20 20:56:40 <Sicelo> in your case, i'd simply get the default flash player first. there is only one version
Oct 20 20:56:53 <gogogogo> I can't get rid of it either
Oct 20 20:56:57 <gogogogo> it's completely stuck
Oct 20 20:57:21 <gogogogo> I'm using Flash11 when I'm prompted by the terminal to use Flash3
Oct 20 20:57:32 <Sicelo> what's stuck? paste your error in a pastebin somewhere
Oct 20 20:57:40 <gogogogo> so I should downgrade but it doesn't get to the end
Oct 20 20:57:58 <gogogogo> wait, I wrote that before today, I'll look in logs
Oct 20 20:58:50 <gogogogo> http://pastebin.com/bUM4dDWs
Oct 20 20:59:21 <gogogogo> I get "Abort" after typing "Y"
Oct 20 20:59:38 <gogogogo> I have no clue what's going on, but I'm much of a newbie too..
Oct 20 21:00:07 <Sicelo> how did you install the newer flashplayer?
Oct 20 21:02:14 <gogogogo> I can't remember because it was a long time ago but I guess I just downloaded it through hildon
Oct 20 21:02:25 <gogogogo> no wait
Oct 20 21:02:36 <gogogogo> now I remember installing it from a .deb
Oct 20 21:02:37 <Sicelo> on mine it's installed differently..
Oct 20 21:03:04 <gogogogo> I downloaded a .deb from somewhere in the wiki or the forum
Oct 20 21:03:28 <Sicelo> http://paste.debian.net/127815/
Oct 20 21:03:47 <Nokiabot> Apt-get purge libflashplayer.so
Oct 20 21:04:14 <gogogogo> Nokiabot, is that a real message?
Oct 20 21:04:33 <Nokiabot> Apt-get purge flashplayer
Oct 20 21:04:38 <gogogogo> Sicelo, what should I understand from your paste?
Oct 20 21:05:21 <Nokiabot> Gogogogo you can try the one after it
Oct 20 21:06:17 <Nokiabot> Sicelo:tell him to purge it then install again 
Oct 20 21:06:38 <gogogogo> Nokiabot I can read you, I'm trying
Oct 20 21:06:54 <Nokiabot> I fixed mine that way when mine got wonky
Oct 20 21:07:02 <gogogogo> I tried both your strings but those packages weren't detected
Oct 20 21:07:18 <gogogogo> so I tried "apt-get purge adobe-flashplayer"
Oct 20 21:07:34 <gogogogo> and it still stays I have unmet dependencies and get stuck
Oct 20 21:07:39 <gogogogo> gets*
Oct 20 21:07:59 <Nokiabot> Gogogogo:thats why i was asking sileco to give you exact package names
Oct 20 21:08:00 <Sicelo> what are the dependencies.. you din't give us that..
Oct 20 21:08:08 <gogogogo> thanks
Oct 20 21:08:35 <gogogogo> 1) mp-fremantle-generic-pr 2) tutorial-home-applet
Oct 20 21:09:19 <gogogogo> "Depends: adobe-flashplayer (>= 3.0.0.87+0m5) but it is not going to be installed"
Oct 20 21:09:21 <Sicelo> it wants to install those? or to remove them? or says it doesn't find them? maybe a paste will help :)
Oct 20 21:09:38 <gogogogo> I will paste, wait a minute
Oct 20 21:10:10 <Nokiabot> Gogogogo:if you can flash it as it would be even better to have a fresh device after all these years
Oct 20 21:10:45 <gogogogo> I flashed it only last year..
Oct 20 21:11:11 <Sicelo> :p
Oct 20 21:11:34 <gogogogo> well, I know that is a nice thing to do anyway.. I was trying all I could to avoid that first
Oct 20 21:11:46 * Sicelo flashed his N900 only once. July 2011 when I bought it. still working fine as a daily (and only) device
Oct 20 21:12:24 <gogogogo> http://pastebin.com/kFKRDhRb
Oct 20 21:12:40 <gogogogo> Sicelo, that's my plan as well
Oct 20 21:13:07 <gogogogo> I'm just not sure I will still find a flash-image easily
Oct 20 21:13:14 <gogogogo> or I'm maybe wrong
Oct 20 21:13:19 <Sicelo> they are available.. see /topic
Oct 20 21:13:48 <Sicelo> what is the current version of maemo you have?
Oct 20 21:14:05 <gogogogo> sorry to ask, how can I figure out?
Oct 20 21:14:27 <M4rtinK> well, I haven't reflashed my N900 since I bought it in 2010 :)
Oct 20 21:14:59 <gogogogo> reflashing is nice.. it all feels more responsive afterwards
Oct 20 21:15:15 <Sicelo>  \m/ M4rtinK ;)
Oct 20 21:15:38 <Sicelo> gogogogo: control panel > about device (and about cssu if you have that)
Oct 20 21:15:41 <gogogogo> even though I know what a noob I am and if I ever happened to brick my phone I would resent it. It's not an iPhone or an Android, I like it! :D
Oct 20 21:15:52 <gogogogo> ok, I don't have cssu
Oct 20 21:16:21 <gogogogo> Meamo 5 21.2011.38-1
Oct 20 21:17:23 <gogogogo> is that good ? :-)
Oct 20 21:17:44 <gogogogo> my n900's selfesteem is at stake now. Be kind.
Oct 20 21:18:04 <Sicelo> yes. you're on 'latest' stock system. 
Oct 20 21:18:18 <gogogogo> "latest"?
Oct 20 21:18:44 <Sicelo> lol, yes. last
Oct 20 21:19:00 <gogogogo> ahahah I got it now, sorry
Oct 20 21:19:15 <gogogogo> I'm no mothertongue annd no genius either XD
Oct 20 21:23:05 <Sicelo> i'm not too sure what you should do now.. but the real problem is not in the purge attempt, but rather, why apt-get aborts. i would trying forcing, but i'm not saying it will work fine for you :/
Oct 20 21:23:06 <Oksana> gogogogo: You tried  'apt-get --reinstall adobe-flashplayer' instead of ' 'apt-get --reinstall install adobe-flashplayer', that's why it complained that it does not know an operation adobe-flashplayer
Oct 20 21:24:11 <gogogogo> what should I do instead? I didn't understand
Oct 20 21:24:56 <Oksana> What will apt-get say now if you try 'apt-get install adobe-flashplayer'?
Oct 20 21:25:15 <gogogogo> let me check
Oct 20 21:26:18 <gogogogo> again, unmet dependencies :\
Oct 20 21:27:02 <Oksana> And if you try 'apt-get --reinstall install adobe-flashplayer' ?
Oct 20 21:27:40 <gogogogo> invalid operation adobe-flashplayer
Oct 20 21:28:47 <freemangordon> it is the other way around
Oct 20 21:28:58 <freemangordon> apt-get install --reinstall $whatever
Oct 20 21:29:48 <freemangordon> gogogogo: try "apt-get install --reinstall adobe-flash-player=3.0.0.87+0m5"
Oct 20 21:30:11 <freemangordon> gogogogo: did you disable nokia and ovi repos by chance?
Oct 20 21:31:20 <gogogogo> 1) couldn't find adobe-flash-player package
Oct 20 21:31:35 <gogogogo> 2) I'm going to try again with "adobe-flashplayer"
Oct 20 21:31:45 <freemangordon> oh,ok, I mistyped it
Oct 20 21:31:47 <gogogogo> 3) I'm going to check repositories status in hildon
Oct 20 21:32:11 <gogogogo> 2) -> Abort.
Oct 20 21:32:28 <freemangordon> what is in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Oct 20 21:32:41 <freemangordon> also, what does apt-get update does?
Oct 20 21:33:03 <Oksana> Sorry about order of 'install --reinstall', I should not have believed this source without checking it: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-reinstall-a-package-using-apt-get-command/
Oct 20 21:33:26 <freemangordon> hehe
Oct 20 21:34:29 <gogogogo> it takes me a while to make a pastebin.. 
Oct 20 21:34:40 <gogogogo> cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list gives me 5 lines
Oct 20 21:34:46 <gogogogo> deb + url
Oct 20 21:35:47 <freemangordon> sure, what are those lines?
Oct 20 21:36:12 <gogogogo> 3 of them start with "https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/" then add "freemantle/ssu/apps", "freemantle/ssu/mr0", "freemantle1.2/ovi/"
Oct 20 21:37:14 <gogogogo> then the 2 last start with "repository.maemo.org" and add "/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free"
Oct 20 21:37:30 <freemangordon> ok, please run apt-get update and pastebin the result
Oct 20 21:37:31 <gogogogo> and the last "/extras-devel fremantle-1.3 free non-free"
Oct 20 21:37:35 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 21:38:24 <gogogogo> it's downloading a lot of things
Oct 20 21:39:29 <gogogogo> it's downloading a 10MB file at 15kb/s...
Oct 20 21:39:37 <gogogogo> it will take a while, sorry :(
Oct 20 21:40:01 <freemangordon> well, maybe you should disable extras-devel
Oct 20 21:40:03 <freemangordon> :)
Oct 20 21:40:14 <freemangordon> not now ofc, it is a bit late
Oct 20 21:40:32 <gogogogo> ehehe
Oct 20 21:40:42 <gogogogo> the scarlet letter N
Oct 20 21:40:56 <freemangordon> why so slow?
Oct 20 21:41:05 <freemangordon> are you on 2G?
Oct 20 21:41:09 <gogogogo> italian connections
Oct 20 21:41:18 <gogogogo> no, wi-fi :)
Oct 20 21:41:24 <gogogogo> you can cry
Oct 20 21:41:32 <freemangordon> omg
Oct 20 21:41:37 <gogogogo> ahahahah
Oct 20 21:42:42 <gogogogo> well.. sometimes I get to 50-60 KB/s
Oct 20 21:43:00 <freemangordon> nice :)
Oct 20 21:43:13 <gogogogo> you aren't serious, are you? XD
Oct 20 21:44:20 <gogogogo> mobile connections can be faster in town
Oct 20 21:45:19 <gogogogo> 50% :)))))
Oct 20 21:45:30 <gogogogo> 5mins left
Oct 20 21:47:27 <gogogogo> connection boost time. I'm getting 60KB/s now
Oct 20 21:47:47 <gogogogo> ok. Done.
Oct 20 21:50:16 <gogogogo> and there it is http://pastebin.com/1wiDiSrr
Oct 20 21:51:18 <freemangordon> according to speedtest.net (which is heavily CPU-bound) my N900 downloads with 6Mbps and uploads with 10Mbps
Oct 20 21:51:43 <freemangordon> gogogogo: are you root?
Oct 20 21:51:48 <gogogogo> yes
Oct 20 21:52:03 <freemangordon> do you have hildon-application-manager opened?
Oct 20 21:52:11 <gogogogo> no
Oct 20 21:52:24 <freemangordon> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
Oct 20 21:52:35 <gogogogo> I know!
Oct 20 21:52:37 <gogogogo> :\
Oct 20 21:53:00 <freemangordon> is there any process listed after "ps | grep apt"?
Oct 20 21:53:21 <gogogogo> is that a command?
Oct 20 21:53:25 <freemangordon> yes
Oct 20 21:54:11 <gogogogo> I have 2 processes
Oct 20 21:54:17 <freemangordon> apt-worker?
Oct 20 21:54:23 <gogogogo> yes
Oct 20 21:54:43 <gogogogo>  /usr/libexec/apt-worker
Oct 20 21:54:46 <freemangordon> well, you should wait until they finish
Oct 20 21:55:06 <gogogogo>  /usr/libexec/apt-worker backend /tmp/apt-worker.to /t
Oct 20 21:55:07 <freemangordon> and run "apt-get update" again
Oct 20 21:55:19 <gogogogo> I'm not installing anything at all right now
Oct 20 21:55:24 <gogogogo> I'm going to wait forever
Oct 20 21:55:46 <freemangordon> well, I *think* we can safely kill those
Oct 20 21:56:03 <freemangordon> Pali: is it safe to kill apt-worker on non-cssu device?
Oct 20 21:56:17 <gogogogo> 2493 root 2088 s grep apt
Oct 20 21:56:20 <gogogogo> ?
Oct 20 21:56:24 <freemangordon> good
Oct 20 21:56:26 <gogogogo> I already killed it, I hope so
Oct 20 21:56:37 <freemangordon> now do "apt-get update"
Oct 20 21:56:50 <Pali> freemangordon: if you kill both HAM & apt-worked it could be safe
Oct 20 21:57:09 <gogogogo> let me disable extra-devels first
Oct 20 21:57:14 <freemangordon> HAM does not work (you we believe gogogogo), only the background update
Oct 20 21:57:21 <freemangordon> gogogogo: nooo
Oct 20 21:57:27 <Pali> what can happen is only inconsistant state, like killing apt-get
Oct 20 21:57:27 <freemangordon> apt-worker will start again
Oct 20 21:57:56 <freemangordon> Pali: ok
Oct 20 21:58:12 <gogogogo> I'm going to apt-get update again
Oct 20 21:58:22 <gogogogo> I disabled extra-devel
Oct 20 21:58:26 <freemangordon> Pali: BTW do you follow pulseaudio-nokia development?
Oct 20 21:58:32 <freemangordon> gogogogo: ok
Oct 20 21:58:44 <freemangordon> make sure there are no apt-worker processes
Oct 20 21:59:10 <gogogogo> ps | grep apt?
Oct 20 21:59:12 <Pali> not too much
Oct 20 21:59:20 <freemangordon> gogogogo: yes
Oct 20 21:59:41 <gogogogo> ps | grep apt -----> 2624 root 2088 s grep apt
Oct 20 21:59:43 <gogogogo> is that ok?
Oct 20 22:00:02 <freemangordon> yes
Oct 20 22:00:28 <gogogogo> apt-get update was launched
Oct 20 22:01:11 <gogogogo> "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems"
Oct 20 22:01:27 <gogogogo> nice from apt-get itself
Oct 20 22:01:37 <gogogogo> nice from apt-get update* itself
Oct 20 22:02:01 <freemangordon> could you pastebin the output?
Oct 20 22:02:10 <gogogogo> ok, just hold on a minute
Oct 20 22:03:55 <gogogogo> http://pastebin.com/WAChm22h
Oct 20 22:05:03 <freemangordon> gogogogo: ok, now try to install flashplayer
Oct 20 22:05:13 <freemangordon> (whatever the package name is)
Oct 20 22:05:22 <gogogogo> from apt-get install adobe-flashplayer?
Oct 20 22:05:43 <freemangordon> "apt-get install --reinstall adobe-flashplayer=3.0.0.87+0m5"
Oct 20 22:05:52 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 22:06:21 <freemangordon> type 'Y' and press enter when asked
Oct 20 22:07:25 <gogogogo> After this operation, 1491kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
Oct 20 22:07:35 <freemangordon> y
Oct 20 22:07:38 <freemangordon> and enter
Oct 20 22:07:39 <gogogogo> I'm going to type "Y"
Oct 20 22:07:59 <gogogogo> ... and
Oct 20 22:08:03 <gogogogo> ABORT
Oct 20 22:08:07 <freemangordon> omg
Oct 20 22:08:40 <freemangordon> anything in dmesg log?
Oct 20 22:08:54 <freemangordon> anything suspicious that is
Oct 20 22:09:44 <freemangordon> gogogogo: well I see 2 options from here 1) reflash 2) run strace against apt-get to see what exactly aborts
Oct 20 22:09:47 <gogogogo> god himself was popping a pimple of his and swore to himself.
Oct 20 22:10:06 <gogogogo> "strace against apt-get" ?
Oct 20 22:10:25 <freemangordon> yep, "strace apt-get install --reinstall adobe-flash-player=3.0.0.87+0m5"
Oct 20 22:10:30 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 22:10:36 <freemangordon> but you need to install strace first
Oct 20 22:10:38 <freemangordon> :)
Oct 20 22:10:44 <gogogogo> ahahahah
Oct 20 22:10:47 <freemangordon> gogogogo: or...
Oct 20 22:10:48 <gogogogo> you're kidding me
Oct 20 22:11:01 <freemangordon> you can wget and dpkg -i the package
Oct 20 22:11:44 <gogogogo> sorry, I need you to spell it out for me :\
Oct 20 22:12:14 <freemangordon> ~wget
Oct 20 22:12:14 <infobot> methinks wget is an excellent file retrieval utility (HTTP and FTP) with many options, or the command `apt-get install wget wget-ssl`, or virtual bacon
Oct 20 22:12:36 <gogogogo> I can't install wget either
Oct 20 22:12:37 <freemangordon> you can download the needed fil with wget
Oct 20 22:12:45 <freemangordon> yes, you can
Oct 20 22:12:57 <freemangordon> download it on your ps and scp it to the device
Oct 20 22:13:03 <freemangordon> s/ps/pc
Oct 20 22:13:24 <gogogogo> I don't know what that means :( I'm sorry
Oct 20 22:13:28 <freemangordon> or connect the device in mass-storage mode
Oct 20 22:13:33 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 22:13:54 <gogogogo> what then?
Oct 20 22:14:02 <gogogogo> Am I going to download a .deb file somewhere?
Oct 20 22:16:15 <freemangordon> gogogogo: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/w/wget/
Oct 20 22:16:31 <freemangordon> download armel .deb on your pc and copy it to n900
Oct 20 22:16:56 <gogogogo> done
Oct 20 22:17:18 <freemangordon> ok, now disconnect the usb cable
Oct 20 22:17:23 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 22:17:31 <freemangordon> cd to the directory you copied that .deb
Oct 20 22:17:55 <freemangordon> and type "dpkg -i wget_1.10.2-2osso3_armel.deb"
Oct 20 22:18:27 <gogogogo> done
Oct 20 22:18:40 <gogogogo> no error as far as I know
Oct 20 22:19:26 <freemangordon> ok, now you have wget
Oct 20 22:19:27 <gogogogo> wget strace?
Oct 20 22:19:50 <freemangordon> no
Oct 20 22:19:57 <freemangordon> "wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/strace/strace_4.5.18-1.1%2b0m5_armel.deb"
Oct 20 22:20:21 <gogogogo> ok. It will take some time and some eyesight loss
Oct 20 22:20:23 <gogogogo> hold on
Oct 20 22:20:58 <freemangordon> can't you just copy/paste?
Oct 20 22:21:11 <freemangordon> or open that link with microb?
Oct 20 22:21:16 <gogogogo> I'm half the way
Oct 20 22:22:41 <gogogogo> done
Oct 20 22:23:16 <gogogogo> it was about the time to learn a thing or two about n900 symbols.
Oct 20 22:23:29 <freemangordon> ok, now run "strace apt-get install --reinstall adobe-flash-player=3.0.0.87+0m5"
Oct 20 22:23:34 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 22:23:38 <freemangordon> it will spit lots of things
Oct 20 22:23:49 <freemangordon> I need the last 20-30 lines
Oct 20 22:25:08 <gogogogo>  /bin/sh: strace: not found
Oct 20 22:25:37 <gogogogo> dpkg -i strace_4.5...?
Oct 20 22:25:46 <freemangordon> oh, but ofc
Oct 20 22:25:58 <gogogogo> I don't know what wget does..
Oct 20 22:26:07 <freemangordon> download a file :)
Oct 20 22:26:11 <freemangordon> *downloads
Oct 20 22:26:23 <gogogogo> and does not install it
Oct 20 22:26:27 <freemangordon> no
Oct 20 22:26:31 <gogogogo> ok installed, now strace + ***
Oct 20 22:26:34 <freemangordon> yep
Oct 20 22:27:04 <gogogogo> it's... rampaging.
Oct 20 22:27:13 <freemangordon> :)
Oct 20 22:27:17 <gogogogo> and seems stuck now but I'm not sure
Oct 20 22:27:31 <freemangordon> maybe it waits for you to type 'Y'
Oct 20 22:27:33 <gogogogo> if I don't get /home/usr/ # it means it's not done yet
Oct 20 22:27:37 <gogogogo> ?
Oct 20 22:27:42 <gogogogo> oh ok
Oct 20 22:27:59 <gogogogo> I did and it aborted again
Oct 20 22:28:23 <gogogogo> now I will copy a bunch of lines and make a pastebin out of it
Oct 20 22:28:34 <freemangordon> ok
Oct 20 22:28:59 <gogogogo> what is "strace" btw?
Oct 20 22:29:11 <freemangordon> traces system calls
Oct 20 22:29:27 <gogogogo> system "actions"?
Oct 20 22:29:45 <freemangordon> system functions
Oct 20 22:30:21 <gogogogo> what's the difference?
Oct 20 22:31:53 <freemangordon> define actin :)
Oct 20 22:31:56 <freemangordon> *action
Oct 20 22:34:37 <freemangordon> WTF?!? http://pastebin.com/AhMKUeWA
Oct 20 22:34:54 <freemangordon> seems like apt-get doesn't recognize 'Y'
Oct 20 22:35:19 <freemangordon> that's weird
Oct 20 22:35:33 <nox-> cant you just hit return?
Oct 20 22:35:47 <freemangordon> same happens iiuc
Oct 20 22:35:55 <nox-> hm
Oct 20 22:37:19 <xes> "-y"
Oct 20 22:37:47 <freemangordon> does apt-get accept -y?
Oct 20 22:38:02 <freemangordon> seems like
Oct 20 22:38:22 <nox-> can be dangerous tho
Oct 20 22:38:54 <freemangordon> but the point is - why it doesn't like it?
Oct 20 22:39:08 <freemangordon> from strace it is clear that it thinks 'Y' was not typed
Oct 20 22:39:10 <nox-> yeah thats quite strange
Oct 20 22:40:34 <nox-> hm or was that proposing dangerous things like removing lots of packages...?
Oct 20 22:40:43 <freemangordon> no
Oct 20 22:40:46 <nox-> hm
Oct 20 22:40:56 <gogogogo> I'm there
Oct 20 22:41:06 <freemangordon> "After this operation, 1491kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]?"
Oct 20 22:41:11 <gogogogo> I should have installed adobe-flashplayer
Oct 20 22:41:16 <freemangordon> which is wuite normal for flashplayer
Oct 20 22:41:24 <freemangordon> gogogogo: you have it installed now
Oct 20 22:41:48 <freemangordon> and dependencies should be in place
Oct 20 22:42:09 <freemangordon> you may try to install something by using HAM
Oct 20 22:42:12 <freemangordon> ~ham
Oct 20 22:42:13 <infobot> well, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
Oct 20 22:42:47 <gogogogo> what do you think was wrong with my device anyway?
Oct 20 22:42:55 <freemangordon> nox-: so it doesn't want "Yes, do as I say" :D
Oct 20 22:43:00 <freemangordon> no idea
Oct 20 22:43:07 <gogogogo> I'm going to try and search for "gstreamer-tools"
Oct 20 22:43:12 <freemangordon> and I think it is still not fixed
Oct 20 22:43:26 <freemangordon> try to "apt-get install gstreamer-tools"
Oct 20 22:43:28 <gogogogo> flashing would be smart, wouldn't it?
Oct 20 22:43:30 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 22:43:36 <freemangordon> oh, wait
Oct 20 22:43:41 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 22:43:48 <freemangordon> it is not gstreamer-tools iirc
Oct 20 22:44:32 <freemangordon> gogogogo: "apt-get install gstreamer0.10-tools"
Oct 20 22:45:21 <gogogogo> really? that tutorial must be updated
Oct 20 22:46:07 <freemangordon> well, mybe without 0.10 wil work too
Oct 20 22:46:14 <freemangordon> *maybe
Oct 20 22:46:22 * freemangordon needs some sleep :)
Oct 20 22:46:24 <gogogogo> couldn't find package
Oct 20 22:46:33 <gogogogo> extra-devels must be up?
Oct 20 22:46:59 <freemangordon> no
Oct 20 22:47:31 <freemangordon> you sure you typed it correctly?
Oct 20 22:48:06 <gogogogo> yes
Oct 20 22:48:13 <gogogogo> I'm double-checking though
Oct 20 22:48:25 <freemangordon> apt-get install gstreamer0.10-tools
Oct 20 22:48:25 <freemangordon> Reading package lists... Done
Oct 20 22:48:25 <freemangordon> Building dependency tree       
Oct 20 22:48:25 <freemangordon> Reading state information... Done
Oct 20 22:48:25 <freemangordon> gstreamer0.10-tools is already the newest version.
Oct 20 22:48:28 <arcean> it's everywhere :P http://maemo.org/packages/view/gstreamer0.10-tools/
Oct 20 22:48:30 <freemangordon> on my device
Oct 20 22:48:38 <freemangordon> arcean: yeah :D
Oct 20 22:49:06 <gogogogo> it works now, I must have mistyped
Oct 20 22:49:27 <gogogogo> errors were encountered while processing: catorise
Oct 20 22:49:30 <freemangordon> what?!? SDK version is newer that repo version? O.o
Oct 20 22:49:51 <freemangordon> or rather the version in extras repo
Oct 20 22:49:53 <gogogogo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Oct 20 22:50:13 <gogogogo> was catorise to blame for all this sh*t?
Oct 20 22:50:19 <freemangordon> try with "apt-get -f install"
Oct 20 22:50:23 <freemangordon> no idea
Oct 20 22:50:43 <gogogogo> it's working..
Oct 20 22:51:02 <gogogogo> catorise again
Oct 20 22:51:04 <freemangordon> tell if it asks you something
Oct 20 22:51:21 <gogogogo> no, it doesn't
Oct 20 22:51:26 <gogogogo> same ending lines as before
Oct 20 22:51:40 <gogogogo> before=apt-get install gstreamer0.10-tools
Oct 20 22:51:51 <freemangordon> well, you can apt-get remove --purge catorise
Oct 20 22:52:01 <freemangordon> and install it again later
Oct 20 22:52:02 <gogogogo> ok, gladly
Oct 20 22:52:13 <gogogogo> it never worked for me btw
Oct 20 22:52:57 <gogogogo> ahahaha, please kill me
Oct 20 22:53:06 <gogogogo> [Y/n] ? ---> ABORT
Oct 20 22:53:20 <freemangordon> dpkg -r catorise :)
Oct 20 22:53:30 <gogogogo> I like people who don't give up
Oct 20 22:53:32 <gogogogo> will try
Oct 20 22:54:18 <gogogogo> I think it worked, screen went dark twice though during the operation
Oct 20 22:54:30 <freemangordon> maybe it restarted hildon-desktop
Oct 20 22:55:14 <freemangordon> ok, what you can do (if apt-get still refuses to install gstreamer-tools) is to:
Oct 20 22:55:27 <gogogogo> if I understood right anytime I'm prompted to answer Y/n I will get the "Abort." error, right?
Oct 20 22:55:33 <freemangordon> seems like
Oct 20 22:55:47 <freemangordon> no idea why that error
Oct 20 22:55:52 <gogogogo> I think it worked
Oct 20 22:56:05 <freemangordon> does it?
Oct 20 22:56:29 <freemangordon> btw, what exactly worked?
Oct 20 22:56:44 <gogogogo> apt-get install gstreamer0.10-tools
Oct 20 22:56:58 <freemangordon> did it ask you Y/n?
Oct 20 22:57:30 <gogogogo> no, it suggested that I did apt-get autoremove for some unneccessary files but that asked Y/n
Oct 20 22:57:36 <gogogogo> and I again killed a fetus
Oct 20 22:57:48 <freemangordon> can't parse
Oct 20 22:58:14 <gogogogo> do you believe that if I'm going to reflash my phone with the same exact image I'm going to get the same problem?
Oct 20 22:58:42 <freemangordon> no
Oct 20 22:59:03 <freemangordon> but you'd rather try to fix it first
Oct 20 22:59:05 <gogogogo> this error came later, right?
Oct 20 22:59:28 <gogogogo> oh I'm never managing to, if you have no idea how am I supposed to do?
Oct 20 22:59:52 <freemangordon> gogogogo: I have no ide because I have no data :)
Oct 20 22:59:56 <freemangordon> *idea
Oct 20 23:00:14 <gogogogo> I can hand you all you ask
Oct 20 23:00:57 <freemangordon> gogogogo: ok, back to gst, do:
Oct 20 23:01:01 <freemangordon> wget http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/gstreamer0.10-tools/0.10.25-0maemo4+0m5/
Oct 20 23:01:05 <freemangordon> oh, wait
Oct 20 23:01:21 <freemangordon> wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/g/gstreamer0.10/gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.25-0maemo4+0m5_armel.deb
Oct 20 23:01:27 <freemangordon> that one
Oct 20 23:01:33 <freemangordon> and then dpkg -i it
Oct 20 23:02:23 <freemangordon> gogogogo: re further fixing - it is a bit late here and I need to have some sleep
Oct 20 23:02:38 <freemangordon> will continue tomorrow
Oct 20 23:03:02 <freemangordon> in the meanwhile you may want to install syslog
Oct 20 23:03:15 <freemangordon> and check it after reboot for errors
Oct 20 23:04:22 <gogogogo> I already have gstreamer0.10-tools, do I need to wget it again?
Oct 20 23:04:34 <gogogogo> and okay, of course, you've been way more kind than you had to :)
Oct 20 23:04:58 <freemangordon> gogogogo: oh, no, seems I misunderstood you
Oct 20 23:05:13 <freemangordon> I thogh that it failed to install gstreamer tools
Oct 20 23:05:19 <gogogogo> it made it :)
Oct 20 23:05:25 <freemangordon> great
Oct 20 23:05:38 <freemangordon> so, start using HAM, not apt-get
Oct 20 23:05:57 <freemangordon> if HAM does not fail then you don;t need to reflash
Oct 20 23:06:12 <gogogogo> ok
Oct 20 23:06:25 <gogogogo> I will install syslog then?
Oct 20 23:08:50 <freemangordon> you can't do it from HAM, you should either apt-get it ot wget/dpkg -i it :)
Oct 20 23:09:11 <gogogogo> so I won't, or I need it for debugging?
Oct 20 23:10:08 <freemangordon> well, if things work in HAM, there's no need for debugging
Oct 20 23:10:26 <gogogogo> we just don't know the abortion issue
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