**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 21 02:59:58 2014 Nov 21 06:58:23 systemd rocks http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html Nov 21 10:11:40 Had something weird yesterday Nov 21 10:12:18 while I unplugged the charger it kept blinking and said charging in status-menu Nov 21 10:13:07 Then after 2h of using, I power it off. But then it wouldn't boot up until I removed the battery... Nov 21 10:13:30 Never had such thing on my daily N900 Nov 21 10:13:53 before Nov 21 11:34:38 I am angry like a snake... Read-only memory for MyDocs, then, as I do umount; fsck -af; the fsck says something about "truncating file to" because of "cluster chain length". And what does it mean, and how can I be sure that it will not obliterate important files? Off-topic: and that's on top of toothache... Nov 21 11:36:29 And how long does it take to do an fsck -af of the MyDocs filesystem? Right now, it's not truncating anymore, but I cannot see any end, either. Nov 21 11:42:35 I've had to do that a few times... it shouldn't take very long, probably <15min iirc Nov 21 11:43:55 Thanks! Mine seems to take a long time, though. Or, I am impatient. Did your bluetooth switch on just because you did umount of the partition? Nov 21 11:45:08 uh.. no I don't recall such Nov 21 11:45:49 Ah, that's MicroB's quirk. It cannot download file to MyDocs, therefore, it switches to Bluetooth, therefore, Bluetooth switches on :-) Nov 21 11:46:28 It's so pleasant when software's actions actually make sense :-) Nov 21 11:48:23 joga: don't fsck from the n900 itself Nov 21 11:48:32 unless you have the updated dosfstools Nov 21 11:48:48 dunno what I had but it's been working anyway Nov 21 11:48:49 Why not? Nov 21 11:49:14 And where are the updated dosfstools? Nov 21 11:50:27 Does CSSU have updated dosfstools? And what's the bug with non-updated dosfstools? Nov 21 11:53:11 kerio... I do hope that I will jump through the hoops without encountering any problems, but I am still curious about their possible appearance. Nov 21 11:53:36 Oksana: hell, i'd even skip the fsck from the n900 side entirely Nov 21 11:53:43 and run it from a computer Nov 21 11:54:53 aw man, fsck on the N900 Nov 21 11:55:00 Hmm... Theoretically, I could do it through WiFi... WiFi works... But how, exactly, do I tell a Windows-or-Linux computer to check that partition on remote device? Nov 21 11:55:02 you're gonna have a bad time Nov 21 11:55:12 Why a bad time? Nov 21 11:55:26 Slow? Nov 21 11:55:48 yeah - terrible performance from the CPU, RAM and storage adds up Nov 21 11:56:11 it's way better to export the disk using backupmenu loaded from u-boot and fsck under gparted etc. Nov 21 11:56:24 How slow? I do not have microUSB port, so unless you know a way to check filesystem of a partition through WiFi... Nov 21 11:57:12 Bluetooth and cellular and FM are even less suited for the purpose than WiFi, I think. Nov 21 11:57:44 oh, I'm sorry Nov 21 11:58:07 in that case, use a fast microSD card as swap space, unmount MyDocs, fsck and hope for the best Nov 21 11:58:44 or boot from rescueOS (not sure it has dosfstools though) Nov 21 12:00:48 How long would it take, though? An hour? Four hours? I can take it. Shut down all radio, to save energy, and wait. Nov 21 12:05:19 Closed all windows besides the XTerm with fsck -af, and waiting. Nov 21 12:06:14 Can fsck -af be interrupted in the middle of its run? And will the next run of fsck -af be faster-shorter for it? Nov 21 12:06:46 Just asking because battery is not infinite. Nov 21 12:07:05 hmm, why the -f ? Nov 21 12:07:16 are you sure it's what you want ? Nov 21 12:07:32 (hint: it's not "force" in fsck.msdos) Nov 21 12:14:56 bencoh: Just following the example in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50556 Nov 21 12:15:31 still not sure that's what you want, check the manpage Nov 21 12:15:47 (I have never tried it either, so ... I dunno) Nov 21 12:27:13 So, what are your bets, what will reach its end first: fsck -af, or battery? The battery was fully charged, but, there was some WiFi and some Bluetooth switched on for some time. After first half-hour of fsck, all went into offline, the only window open is XTerm running the fsck. Nov 21 12:40:34 Is it safe for the filesystem to do Ctrl+C to the fsck -af ? Nov 21 12:42:46 do you know if it's writing or just reading ? Nov 21 12:43:02 (iostat, strace, anything) Nov 21 13:13:06 Is there a way on Fremantle to run a service in /etc/event.d as user and not root? Nov 21 13:13:20 I know that functionality was added to Upstart at some point, but it's not clear if the version of Upstart on the N900 allows that. Nov 21 14:33:36 Which SDK is the right one to install for developing for Fremantle nowadays, "Maemo SDK+" or "Maemo 5 Final SDK"? Nov 21 16:28:26 Hello guys ;) Nov 21 16:28:55 First of all I would like to ask - from where I can download scratchbox image? Nov 21 16:29:36 see links on /topic Nov 21 16:33:45 Sicelo: I'm talking about scratchbox for maemo ;) Can't find mirror for virtual machine image... Nov 21 17:08:45 The links in the /topic lead to wiki.maemo.org, which is a maze of broken links and out-of-date advice. Nov 21 17:09:38 well that's sort of the state of maemo Nov 21 17:12:07 I just want to find out what SDK I should install from where, so that if most package maintainers have abandoned Maemo, I can at least package my own upgrades. Nov 21 17:34:36 Hey, a curious (and probably somewhat dumb) question.. Nov 21 17:34:53 when you type alsamixer -c0 in x-terminal and set the headphone volume to 100, it still appears "dB -5.40" Nov 21 17:35:18 Does this means we can still squeeze out 5.40dB from it, and if so, how? Nov 21 18:21:28 crculver: same here Nov 21 20:14:26 ~sdk Nov 21 20:14:27 methinks sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt" Nov 21 20:14:59 ~sb Nov 21 20:15:00 [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Nov 22 00:12:26 Salut !!!! Nov 22 00:12:31 Hello people Nov 22 02:23:45 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 22 03:00:00 2014