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Dec 28 09:08:11 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Dec 28 13:10:10 <lantizia> Hey, the Maemo community works/worked with Nokia right - probably a specific division/department of Nokia... did that part of Nokia end up with MS or is it still Nokia?  In other words should Maemo feel in the future it *needs* to raise a query to the original authors - does that mean contacting an MS-owned company now?
Dec 28 13:10:50 <lantizia> I know MS bought the smartphone division - but I'm not sure if that included MeeGo / Maemo work - I'm guessing it included Symbian, although god knows why MS would want it
Dec 28 13:12:46 <kerio> lantizia: we did need to raise a query to the original authors
Dec 28 13:12:50 <kerio> when nokia wasn't even bought by MS yet
Dec 28 13:12:55 <kerio> we got jack shit
Dec 28 13:17:37 <freemangordon> bencoh: I guess you don;t OC, correct?
Dec 28 13:17:45 <bencoh> I dont
Dec 28 13:17:54 <freemangordon> bencoh: do you have SmartReflex enabled?
Dec 28 13:18:00 <bencoh> I do iirc
Dec 28 13:18:10 <freemangordon> that could be the reason
Dec 28 13:18:34 <freemangordon> you can workaround that(if SR is the reason)
Dec 28 13:18:41 <freemangordon> BTW what kernel is that?
Dec 28 13:18:44 <bencoh> kp52
Dec 28 13:18:48 <freemangordon> install KP53
Dec 28 13:18:50 <freemangordon> :)
Dec 28 13:18:56 <freemangordon> ~kernel-power
Dec 28 13:19:03 <freemangordon> ~ping
Dec 28 13:19:03 <infobot> ~pong
Dec 28 13:19:16 <freemangordon> hmm, WTF?
Dec 28 13:19:18 <kerio> it's in extras-whatever
Dec 28 13:19:19 <freemangordon> ~kp
Dec 28 13:19:20 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287
Dec 28 13:20:07 <bencoh> actually the stream is intentionally too "complex" for the n900 (h264 720x576, high profile afaik), but what's strange is I can play it if I dump it to a file (using filesrc ! ffdemux_mpegts ! dspvdec)
Dec 28 13:20:21 <freemangordon> bencoh: "* Update patch overclock_smartreflex_900.diff to improve the stability on some rare devices"
Dec 28 13:20:28 <bencoh> but I cant play it when streamed over http (souphttpsrc ! ffdemux_mpegts ! dspvdec)
Dec 28 13:20:37 <freemangordon> do you have MMU fault everytime you try to play that?
Dec 28 13:21:13 <freemangordon> as another possibility is you're hitting a bug in codec nodes
Dec 28 13:21:16 <bencoh> (when I say I can "play" it with filesrc, I mean it will load it, play a few frames, and drop most of it because dsp is too slow ;)
Dec 28 13:21:20 <bencoh> hmm maybe
Dec 28 13:21:41 <freemangordon> bencoh: temporarily disable SR and try again
Dec 28 13:21:43 <bencoh> yeah I got an mmu fault everytime I tried with http
Dec 28 13:22:05 <lantizia> kerio, ok - a simpler question... the proprietary parts of maemo which we don't have - are they now assets of MS?
Dec 28 13:22:07 <bencoh> hmmkay I'll have a try at it - but first, time to eat :)
Dec 28 13:22:12 <freemangordon> to check whether it is SR or something els
Dec 28 13:22:13 <bencoh> freemangordon: thx :)
Dec 28 13:22:14 <freemangordon> e
Dec 28 13:22:16 <freemangordon> NP
Dec 28 13:22:39 <bencoh> btw, for those interested, I'm playing HLS on n900 ;)
Dec 28 13:22:49 <freemangordon> ~hls
Dec 28 13:22:54 <bencoh> http live streaming
Dec 28 13:22:58 <bencoh> the apple thingy
Dec 28 13:23:10 <freemangordon> hmm, isn;t that supported by default?
Dec 28 13:23:21 <freemangordon> by media player?
Dec 28 13:23:22 <lantizia> i thought he meant Half-Life: Source :P
Dec 28 13:23:26 <freemangordon> hehe
Dec 28 13:23:26 <lantizia> was about the be very impressed
Dec 28 13:23:51 <freemangordon> which reminds me - someday I should try compiling freespace2 for n900
Dec 28 13:24:38 <bencoh> freemangordon: nope, not that I know of :)
Dec 28 13:24:44 <bencoh> more on the topic after lunch
Dec 28 13:24:47 <freemangordon> ok
Dec 28 13:36:51 <kerio> lantizia: abandonware, clearly :>
Dec 28 13:37:14 <kerio> they're (c) Nokia
Dec 28 13:37:18 <kerio> and nokia was bought by MS
Dec 28 13:37:23 <kerio> so microsoft owns them
Dec 28 13:37:37 <kerio> but the agreement with the maemo community is still valid i think
Dec 28 13:37:44 <lantizia> well the source will exist somewhere... now presumably stored on a storage medium owned by MS
Dec 28 13:37:53 <kerio> where you have the right to redistribute (c)Nokia stuff to n900 owners
Dec 28 13:38:56 <kerio> oh, the source
Dec 28 13:39:01 <kerio> i doubt they even know where it is
Dec 28 13:39:04 <lantizia> are there any distributions (other than android, I'm on about GNU/Linux distributions) that exist for N900 which don't use any of the proprietary parts maemo sometimes uses?
Dec 28 13:39:52 <lantizia> kerio, well nokia wasn't bought by MS - their smartphone division was
Dec 28 13:40:03 <lantizia> nokia still exists today making android tablets apparently
Dec 28 13:40:08 <kerio> amazing
Dec 28 13:40:12 <kerio> i'm sure they'll have great success
Dec 28 13:43:59 <lantizia> i suppose it all must be under MS (symbian, s40, s60, maemo, their version of meego, their Nokia android X range) as you'd have thought if MS was being picky they'd have left out anything android or linux to buy
Dec 28 13:44:10 <lantizia> so essentially Nokia only has one device, the N1 
Dec 28 13:44:45 <lantizia> i wonder if they went with a tablet because their agreement with MS prevents them from making mobile devices for a while
Dec 28 13:44:59 <lantizia> which I guess a tablet is - but not cellular I guess
Dec 28 13:51:00 <lantizia> on closer look that tablet doesn't seem bad either - certainly not any old half baked effort
Dec 28 13:57:47 <sixwheeledbeast> I agree I doubt any one knows where the source is.
Dec 28 14:04:48 <lantizia> sixwheeledbeast, but you'd agree it'd now be MS that has forgotten (i.e. it's their source to loose)
Dec 28 14:05:45 <sixwheeledbeast> depends on the contracts I would think
Dec 28 14:06:31 <lantizia> sixwheeledbeast, well you'd think if they'd bought the entirely of their mobile division it'd include it - if they wanted to exclude parts they could have excluded Nokia X (the android stuff) and let Nokia continue with it
Dec 28 14:06:44 <lantizia> that is... unless the agreement prevents Nokia from making phones for a while
Dec 28 14:07:49 <sixwheeledbeast> :shrug: the thing is who knows and how would that make a difference of getting it released.
Dec 28 15:29:48 <kerio> well i can reliably crash os x yosemite with backupmenu's "usb console" mode
Dec 28 15:39:29 <jon_y> kernel crash?
Dec 28 15:40:05 <kerio> jon_y: eyup
Dec 28 15:40:29 <jon_y> wow, I thought osx was supposed to be perfect :)
Dec 28 15:40:41 <kerio> com.apple.driver.AppleUSBCDCECMData
Dec 28 15:43:01 <bencoh> ohwell, looks like they dont like usb drivers ... 10.7.x randomly freezes with prolific (usbserial) drivers :)
Dec 28 15:45:30 <kerio> the FTDI driver from FTDI legiterally just panics if you cut power to the remote end before unplugging the cable
Dec 28 15:45:55 <kerio> which is awful if you're tinkering with a sheevaplug
Dec 28 15:50:48 <bencoh> kerio: bleh
Dec 28 15:51:01 <bencoh> I think there is a 3rd-party opensource driver
Dec 28 15:51:20 <kerio> bencoh: in theory, os x has a driver
Dec 28 15:51:35 <bencoh> hm that was for pl2303 (prolific), nevermind
Dec 28 18:22:37 <Elleo> 31
Dec 28 18:22:40 <Elleo> oops
Dec 28 23:25:05 <bencoh> HLS playback embryo : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1454216
Dec 28 23:26:25 <bencoh> (took ages to write, but at least we have something for the records :)
Dec 28 23:38:03 <freemangordon> bencoh: (didn't read the backscroll) anything new about DSP MMU fault?
Dec 28 23:45:32 <bencoh> not yet, that's next on my (gstreamer-related) todolist :)
Dec 28 23:46:40 <freemangordon> ok :)
Dec 28 23:47:18 <bencoh> (I wanted to write this post before forgetting everything :)
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