**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 02 02:59:59 2015
Jan 02 06:32:34 <newbieAlert> hi there. Is gtk buildable for n900 ??? and having two versions of gtk ??
Jan 02 07:26:28 <Steven__> newbieAlert: "apt-cache -n search libgtk" shows libgtk2.0 on my N900 with CSSU stable.
Jan 02 07:30:17 <Steven__> So it can atleast be built for it. IDK about having two versions.
Jan 02 07:41:11 <Steven__> Are there any FLOSS applications providing voice encryption (e.g. SRTP/ZRTP) for the n900? AFIK Telepathy doesn't support it, and Skype is insecure and proprietary.
Jan 02 08:01:23 <mrcaaattt> I think sip works, although never tried it myself
Jan 02 08:11:44 <Steven__> SIP itself does not offer encryption. SRTP or ZRTP are the protocols that provide encryption for SIP calls.
Jan 02 09:01:39 <bencoh> Steven__: telepathy has a sip plugin (used in maemo afaik) so you coud look for a compatible zrtp backend for telepathy
Jan 02 13:31:01 <uhhimhere> hi guys
Jan 02 13:31:38 <uhhimhere> I would like to compile and boot basic linux on my samsung 7850(uses a bcm28155) and was wondering if its possible to create .dts/i file from the opensource.samsung.com kernel?
Jan 02 13:32:58 <freemangordon> uhhimhere: -ECHAN?
Jan 02 13:33:17 <uhhimhere> echan?
Jan 02 13:33:23 <freemangordon> wrong channel
Jan 02 13:33:25 <freemangordon> :)
Jan 02 13:33:30 <uhhimhere> oh ok 
Jan 02 13:33:32 <uhhimhere> oops
Jan 02 13:33:36 <uhhimhere> well
Jan 02 13:33:53 <uhhimhere> i would like to maybe install maemo on top of it in the long term...
Jan 02 13:34:02 <freemangordon> oh
Jan 02 13:35:00 <uhhimhere> ive looked at the source and theres a bunch of non-vanilla dts/i files
Jan 02 13:35:00 <freemangordon> I am not sure maemo will like android kernel, too many stuff is changed there compared to upstream. afaik
Jan 02 13:35:01 <uhhimhere> nananana
Jan 02 13:35:07 <uhhimhere> im doing a vanilla build
Jan 02 13:35:25 <uhhimhere> lemme start from scratch
Jan 02 13:35:28 <freemangordon> cool. but can you get to /bin/sh at least?
Jan 02 13:36:10 <uhhimhere> lol let me re state that
Jan 02 13:36:17 <uhhimhere> the plan is to do a vanilla build
Jan 02 13:36:22 <uhhimhere> :)
Jan 02 13:37:05 <uhhimhere> this phone(samsung gt-s7850) uses a broadcom 21855(or 21644t depending where you look??) which has a 2x 1.2Ghz a9 + videocore 4 gpu 
Jan 02 13:37:19 <freemangordon> oh, it is clearer now :)
Jan 02 13:37:37 <uhhimhere> :P
Jan 02 13:37:44 <uhhimhere> and the device kernel is available from opensource.samsung.com
Jan 02 13:38:02 <uhhimhere> so im trying to build just a minimal system and go from there
Jan 02 13:38:25 <freemangordon> so this is what you call "vanilla kernel"? the one on opensource.samsung.com?
Jan 02 13:38:28 <uhhimhere> what i need is the dts/i files that define the peripheral layout of the 7850 
Jan 02 13:38:29 <uhhimhere> nope
Jan 02 13:38:37 <uhhimhere> thats where im hoping to find the dts file
Jan 02 13:38:45 <freemangordon> ahm I see
Jan 02 13:38:57 <bencoh> I guess it's a modified android kernel dump ?
Jan 02 13:39:04 <bencoh> (codesource dump*)
Jan 02 13:39:26 <freemangordon> bencoh: but if it is DT kernel, it is possible to get .dts from there and mount it on upstream
Jan 02 13:39:43 <freemangordon> though I am afraid most of the drivers will be missing
Jan 02 13:39:46 <uhhimhere> yup
Jan 02 13:39:53 <bencoh> yeah, I was thinking about the drivers ;)
Jan 02 13:40:15 <freemangordon> but s/he should be able to boot to cli at least
Jan 02 13:40:20 <bencoh> but still you might get a serial prompt
Jan 02 13:40:25 <freemangordon> that one too
Jan 02 13:40:26 <uhhimhere> thats what i want
Jan 02 13:40:29 <uhhimhere> cli
Jan 02 13:40:46 <uhhimhere> itll be like jurassic world 4 w/o the resident evil dino
Jan 02 13:40:56 <freemangordon> ok, what is your question then? :)
Jan 02 13:41:03 <uhhimhere> well
Jan 02 13:41:04 <uhhimhere> lol
Jan 02 13:41:09 <bencoh> how to port the dts ?
Jan 02 13:41:15 <bencoh> remove unknown drivers :]
Jan 02 13:41:19 <uhhimhere> theres a bunch of dts/i files on the device kernel source
Jan 02 13:41:24 <uhhimhere> im not sure which is for the 7850
Jan 02 13:41:59 <uhhimhere> i have meld running comparison with the original vanilla 3.4.5
Jan 02 13:42:13 <uhhimhere> and theres a bunch of kona/ hawaii dts s
Jan 02 13:42:39 <freemangordon> hmm, you know what? better join #armlinux and ask there
Jan 02 13:42:41 <uhhimhere> ok
Jan 02 13:42:44 <freemangordon> I can try to help
Jan 02 13:43:08 <freemangordon> but most of the arm linux gurus hang there
Jan 02 13:43:08 <uhhimhere> okies
Jan 02 13:44:13 <uhhimhere> you know the real main reason i chose this phone(other than it was lying around) is the fat that its basically a souped up rbpi
Jan 02 13:44:34 <uhhimhere> where would you start
Jan 02 13:45:13 <freemangordon> I am not sure rpi comes with dual-core a9 :)
Jan 02 13:45:38 <uhhimhere> yeah thats why its a souped up
Jan 02 13:45:40 <uhhimhere> version
Jan 02 13:45:58 <freemangordon> iirc rpi has arm11 core
Jan 02 13:47:37 <uhhimhere> yeah
Jan 02 13:47:51 <kerio> what's so exciting about the rpi?
Jan 02 13:48:02 <uhhimhere> they both are broadcom socs with the same open sourced videocore gpu
Jan 02 13:48:02 <kerio> popularity?
Jan 02 13:48:27 <uhhimhere> well that and software base
Jan 02 13:48:36 <kerio> it's a fucking headless linux system
Jan 02 13:48:55 <freemangordon> kerio: not exaclty
Jan 02 13:48:56 <freemangordon> there is hdmi and vga outs
Jan 02 13:48:57 <kerio> "software base" means ad-hoc distributions
Jan 02 13:48:57 <kerio> aka popularity
Jan 02 13:48:59 <kerio> well yes
Jan 02 13:49:28 <kerio> does it have hardware video decoding?
Jan 02 13:49:43 <kerio> cuz that's the only purpose i can think of for it
Jan 02 13:50:07 <freemangordon> I guess yes, as a coleague of mine was running HD videos on a rpi connected to TV in the offise
Jan 02 13:50:16 <freemangordon> *office
Jan 02 13:50:22 <Pali> kerio: I'm using my rpi as cheap 60Mbps router
Jan 02 13:50:41 <kerio> my current router was 40€ shipped
Jan 02 13:50:57 <Pali> but I need 8021q
Jan 02 13:50:59 <kerio> and it's 4 port gigE + dsl + 2.4ghz wifi
Jan 02 13:51:25 <Pali> and did not found any router with configurable 8021q support
Jan 02 13:51:37 <Pali> by router I mean router (not switch)
Jan 02 13:51:52 <Pali> 1 eth port in adn 1 eth port out
Jan 02 13:53:27 <kerio> oic
Jan 02 13:53:27 <Pali> if you know good box with 8021q support (and ideally with 8021x too) let me know
Jan 02 13:59:33 <uhhimhere> freemangordon: ok.. so ive asked in arm theyre all away i guess
Jan 02 14:00:03 <uhhimhere> well since the chipset's gpu has its documentation available
Jan 02 14:00:28 <uhhimhere> its a good hacking device no? maybe even run some of the gcw0 stuff on it?
Jan 02 14:00:39 <uhhimhere> w/ full 3d acceleration
Jan 02 14:02:32 <uhhimhere> wouldnt that be nice to have maemo run on a device with blob-less 3D accel?
Jan 02 14:03:38 <uhhimhere> add in a slide out keyboard youve got yourself a nice n900 ish device
Jan 02 14:03:53 <uhhimhere> its all just a pipe dream right now of course
Jan 02 14:04:30 <uhhimhere> speaking of which how is neo900 going
Jan 02 14:08:27 <uhhimhere> well i could have sworn i heard a sparrow fart
Jan 02 14:10:37 <freemangordon> uhhimhere: afaik neo900 is doing well :)
Jan 02 14:10:50 <uhhimhere> nice
Jan 02 14:11:20 <freemangordon> uhhimhere: what type of TS has this samsung device? capacitive?
Jan 02 14:11:50 <uhhimhere> yes unfortunately
Jan 02 14:13:45 <uhhimhere> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_Duos_2
Jan 02 14:13:45 <uhhimhere> its a single-sim version of that
Jan 02 14:14:17 <freemangordon> and it has open bootloader?
Jan 02 14:15:54 <uhhimhere> http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1607286
Jan 02 14:16:01 <uhhimhere> thats a better one
Jan 02 14:16:01 <uhhimhere> umm
Jan 02 14:16:07 <uhhimhere> well
Jan 02 14:16:20 <uhhimhere> im not sure, but i do have cwm on it
Jan 02 14:16:36 <uhhimhere> its rooted etc
Jan 02 14:16:46 <uhhimhere> ahah!
Jan 02 14:16:49 <freemangordon> ~cwm
Jan 02 14:16:56 <uhhimhere> Motherboard 	hawai
Jan 02 14:17:18 <uhhimhere> lol theres a hawaii dts file in the device kernel's dts directory
Jan 02 14:17:30 <uhhimhere> so it is dts loaded?
Jan 02 14:17:52 <freemangordon> uhhimhere: so, can you run an arbitrary kernel on that device?
Jan 02 14:18:10 <uhhimhere> i havent tried
Jan 02 14:18:11 <freemangordon> you can attach dtb to the kernel
Jan 02 14:18:55 <freemangordon> see how it is done on n900, should be similar/same http://elinux.org/N900#DT_Kernel_Compilation
Jan 02 14:26:16 <kerio> dt?
Jan 02 14:26:27 <freemangordon> kerio: device tree
Jan 02 14:28:28 <uhhimhere> where is part 3 of july's trilogy for the neo900?
Jan 02 14:30:49 <lexik|m> Yep, waiting for it too :)
Jan 02 14:31:31 <uhhimhere> wel wasnt july '13 6 months ago
Jan 02 14:38:35 <freemangordon> ask dos1 on #neo900 :)
Jan 02 14:42:34 <uhhimhere> :s
Jan 02 14:51:14 <dos1> part 3 is MIA, for now
Jan 02 14:53:36 <lexik|m> Missing in action? Interesting.
Jan 02 14:54:24 <dos1> yeah... was supposed to be there but it's not ;)
Jan 02 14:55:12 <dos1> more specifically, I was supposed to write it but didn't :c
Jan 02 14:55:46 <uhhimhere> in development hellhuh?
Jan 02 14:55:59 <uhhimhere> alot like the new jurassic world
Jan 02 14:56:05 <uhhimhere> and what do you end up with?
Jan 02 14:56:12 <uhhimhere> gorillasaurus rex
Jan 02 14:56:24 <uhhimhere> see jurassic world arlix
Jan 02 15:01:37 <uhhimhere> well according to the nice folks at armlinux the 7580 doesnt use DT
Jan 02 15:01:43 <uhhimhere> because if it did
Jan 02 15:01:55 <uhhimhere> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/of/base.c#L212
Jan 02 15:01:58 <uhhimhere> line 206
Jan 02 15:02:12 <uhhimhere> Symlink in /proc as required by userspace ABI
Jan 02 15:02:28 <uhhimhere>  sys/firmware/devicetree/base
Jan 02 15:05:21 <uhhimhere> freemangordon: alright
Jan 02 15:05:42 <uhhimhere> freemangordon: would you help me with writing a dts for this thing?
Jan 02 15:07:31 <kerio> Pali: why is our iptables missing the ttl module? :(
Jan 02 15:08:03 <Pali> because nobody told me it?
Jan 02 15:08:17 <Pali> and original titan defconfig did not included it
Jan 02 15:08:19 <uhhimhere> well thats just lame, here is a phone with a SoC that *actually* has a GPU with open documentation and it cant be hacked(well not easily anyways)
Jan 02 15:08:43 <kerio> Pali: please add the ttl module to iptables
Jan 02 15:08:46 <kerio> so sshuttle works :3
Jan 02 15:10:14 <Pali> kerio: send patch against master branch of kernel-power git repo
Jan 02 15:10:18 <Pali> and I can include it
Jan 02 15:10:40 <kerio> but that's hard
Jan 02 15:17:21 <kerio> CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_TTL and CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TTL
Jan 02 15:34:19 <Jef91> So this thread talks about getting python 2.7 running on Maemo -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86900 but does anyone know if pyside was ever compiled for 2.7 on Maemo? Using the 2.5 version of pyside causes a segfault
Jan 02 15:39:23 <Steven__> I am going to dual boot the N900 with Maemo/CSSU and some other distro on the SD-card. What do you guys like to run on that sort of set up? I was looking at Nemo, but it looks like I will have to wait for a better driver for Wayland to work.
Jan 02 15:41:41 <uhhimhere> angstrom
Jan 02 15:42:52 <Steven__> From the name I am guessing that is a very small distro.
Jan 02 15:43:20 <bencoh> it's based on OE (openembedded)
Jan 02 15:43:34 <bencoh> (SHR is also based on OE btw)
Jan 02 15:43:43 * Sicelo used Debian with great success .. a year ago however. Arch works too, etc .. basically any linux should work
Jan 02 15:46:52 <Steven__> Yes, though typical systems are not really optimized for that kind of hardware. I am taking a long at Angstrom, though I don't see much on using it on the N900
Jan 02 15:47:22 <Sicelo> what optimization are we talking about btw?
Jan 02 15:47:55 <Steven__> 256 MiB mem, small screen, touch for pointing.
Jan 02 15:49:19 <sixwheeledbeast^> I don't see the point in Dual booting N900's
Jan 02 15:50:25 <Steven__> You just use Maemo then?
Jan 02 15:50:44 <Sicelo> i don't know how those 3 specs relate to a distro .. screen issues are the job of the wm/de (think E17 for example). 
Jan 02 15:51:15 <uhhimhere> howbout you just make up your own?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yocto_Project
Jan 02 15:52:31 <Steven__> Eh, I guess your right about it not being related. I was just hoping for something that would work well for GUI/CLI tasks without requiring a lot of work to get it working.
Jan 02 15:53:29 <Sicelo> e17 does that (and that's what SHR uses)
Jan 02 15:55:54 <Steven__> Okay. I'm going to take a look at these suggestions. How is the modem/call/text support on these? Looks like the modem has support in the kernel and call/text has support through cmt-speech.
Jan 02 15:57:36 <Steven__> Not sure how integrated that is though. A lot of projects I see say that call/text is not supported on the N900.
Jan 02 15:57:36 <Sicelo> calls not working (without massive hacks to pulseaudio, etc) .. modem & text worked fine with ofono
Jan 02 15:58:06 <Sicelo> by *modem* i meant 23/3g
Jan 02 15:58:10 <Steven__> Do you know what's required for the calls? Is it just awaiting upstream support in the kernel?
Jan 02 15:58:11 <Sicelo> 2G
Jan 02 15:58:17 <Steven__> Yeah, thats what I mean too.
Jan 02 15:59:15 <sixwheeledbeast^> Steven__: yes, Maemo anything else is a bit pointless IMO
Jan 02 15:59:53 <Steven__> I see. That is a little disappointing. =/
Jan 02 16:00:00 <sixwheeledbeast^> that is unless you need to run something particular.
Jan 02 16:00:19 <Steven__> I do like Maemo, but I would like to be able to try different things too.
Jan 02 16:00:44 <sixwheeledbeast^> Parts of Maemo are closed so getting everything to work won't be possible at the moment.
Jan 02 16:01:03 <sixwheeledbeast^> What ever you do don't install multiboot
Jan 02 16:01:09 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~multiboot
Jan 02 16:01:28 <sixwheeledbeast^> infobot is asleep I see.
Jan 02 16:01:43 <Sicelo> Steven__: if you're kernel-savvy, then http://elinux.org/N900 is your friend
Jan 02 16:02:07 <Steven__> You mean U-Boot? Why not? I thought that it wouldn't disturb Maemo too much to be able to boot off the SD-card?
Jan 02 16:02:30 <sixwheeledbeast^> no not uboot, multiboot
Jan 02 16:02:41 <Steven__> Sicelo: I have been looking at that page, though sometimes I miss needed detail because of lack of kernel knowledge.
Jan 02 16:03:07 <Steven__> sixwheeledbeast^: Do you mean two different distros on the eMMC?
Jan 02 16:03:52 <sixwheeledbeast^> Steven__: multiboot, put very basically flashes the device on each switch, uboot is fine
Jan 02 16:04:46 <Steven__> I am a bit confused as to what that would look like exactly.
Jan 02 16:05:19 <Sicelo> what sixwheeledbeast^ is suggesting is that anything else on N900 besides Maemo is just proof-of-concept (which i agree with .. but of course, for some of us that's the fun of it) 
Jan 02 16:07:39 <Steven__> Well, I have considered dual booting Maemo and Maemo. That is, a copy on the MMC that I don't mess with too much, and a copy on the SD-card that I can fiddle with without needing to reflash.
Jan 02 16:07:41 <sixwheeledbeast^> Sicelo: Exactly, also wanted to point out the issue with multiboot
Jan 02 16:08:19 <sixwheeledbeast^> Steven__: you could just use backupmenu and restore a backup if there is an issue
Jan 02 16:08:51 <sixwheeledbeast^> I find the keep it simple and don't install much is the best method for Maemo
Jan 02 16:09:21 <sixwheeledbeast^> especially avoid widgetz
Jan 02 16:09:57 <Steven__> Well, also I wanted my data in a LUKS container, but I didn't think it was a good idea to mess with the partitions on the EMMC.
Jan 02 16:10:09 <kerio> emmc is fine to mess with
Jan 02 16:10:17 <kerio> nothing depends on the exact partition sizes
Jan 02 16:10:35 <kerio> partition 1 is mydocs (vfat, unless you're using cssu i guess)
Jan 02 16:10:37 <kerio> partition 2 is home
Jan 02 16:10:43 <kerio> partition 3 is swap
Jan 02 16:12:26 <Steven__> I have been studying that, but just the idea that if I mess something up I can immediately switch back to something that works as well as have a method of accessing it that is not through a flasher (e.g. by putting the card in a USB reader). That was my main consideration.
Jan 02 16:13:02 <Steven__> Do you use an SD-card then? Maybe just for data?
Jan 02 16:16:38 <sixwheeledbeast^> Steven__: I use a 64GB uSD for all data and two swap spaces.
Jan 02 16:16:56 <Steven__> Why two swap spaces?
Jan 02 16:19:07 <sixwheeledbeast^> Steven__: well it's a bit weird yes but it's a way to keep the device snappy.
Jan 02 16:20:13 <Steven__> By using multiple open allocation units on the SD-card for some sort of pseudo-parallel access?
Jan 02 16:23:08 <sixwheeledbeast^> Steven__: It started a while ago, people moved there swap to uSD to lower the flash wear on the device but also after a while the swap becomes fragmented and slow (even on the device). So people made scripts to swapoff/on/off. I took this idea further and made flopswap.
Jan 02 16:23:15 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~flopswap
Jan 02 16:23:29 <sixwheeledbeast^> damn infobot
Jan 02 16:23:34 <sixwheeledbeast^> http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap
Jan 02 16:23:36 <Steven__> swapoff+discard+swapon?
Jan 02 16:24:27 <kerio> swapon+swapoff, surely
Jan 02 16:24:37 <sixwheeledbeast^> the swapoff/on cycle basically defragments the swap. So no it's not discarded
Jan 02 16:24:51 <Steven__> That looks pretty cool.
Jan 02 16:24:52 <Steven__> nice work
Jan 02 16:25:02 <kerio> sixwheeledbeast^: is it really needed to swapoff?
Jan 02 16:25:04 <Steven__> I mean discard as in trim/erase.
Jan 02 16:25:23 <kerio> can't you set the new swap at a higher priority?
Jan 02 16:25:23 <kerio> Steven__: that's not how emmc or sd cards work
Jan 02 16:25:29 <kerio> there's nothing similar to TRIM
Jan 02 16:25:33 <kerio> even though it would make perfect sense
Jan 02 16:25:42 <Steven__> SD-cards have an erase command.
Jan 02 16:25:58 <Steven__> Trim & erase are called discard in mount.
Jan 02 16:26:01 <sixwheeledbeast^> the idea behind flopswap is to only swapon/off once hence "flop" to another swap space. 
Jan 02 16:26:22 <kerio> yeah i had a script to do that as well, i called swapswap
Jan 02 16:26:42 <kerio> Steven__: ...discard works on uSDs?
Jan 02 16:26:46 <kerio> why the fuck haven't i used that
Jan 02 16:26:52 <Steven__> lol these names.
Jan 02 16:26:53 <Steven__> AFAIK.
Jan 02 16:27:09 <Steven__> They have erase and I have read that it is emitted by the driver when the mount is an SD-card.
Jan 02 16:27:22 <Steven__> If discard is given that is.
Jan 02 16:27:39 <sixwheeledbeast^> but the swap will still be fragmented until you swapoff. It's the fragmented swap that slows the device down.
Jan 02 16:27:59 <Steven__> I do not think it is queued though, so it would be better to do it all at once when the device is idle rather than every write.
Jan 02 16:28:21 <Steven__> So you would use fstrim.
Jan 02 16:29:03 <sixwheeledbeast^> anyway it's a workaround for having a tiny amount of memory on the N900
Jan 02 16:29:11 <Steven__> sixwheeledbeast^: Even after defrag you may have write-amplification because of the lack of freed sectors.
Jan 02 16:30:16 <Steven__> The SD-card is going to do wear-levelling and garbage collection, which IIRC is more of a problem when an AU doesn't have enough pages marked free.
Jan 02 16:31:01 <Steven__> Discard allows you to tell it that the space is available for writing.
Jan 02 16:31:23 <Steven__> Though on an SD-card it involves doing an erase.
Jan 02 16:31:39 <kerio> so SD cards actually support something similar like TRIP
Jan 02 16:31:53 <kerio> TRIM
Jan 02 16:32:33 <Steven__> kerio: Rather that erasing an erase block acts like TRIM.
Jan 02 16:33:34 <Steven__> I think writing zeros (or ones, depending on the memory type) to the block acts the same way, though you have to actually tell it what to write in that case.
Jan 02 16:34:26 <Steven__> Erase blocks on my 64 GiB SD are 512kiB though.
Jan 02 16:34:41 <kerio> yeah, that sounds like an obvious optimization in the controller
Jan 02 16:34:55 <Steven__> So it may not be as big as advantage on a small thing like swap.
Jan 02 16:34:56 <newbieAlert> hey! Anyone successful with GTK compilation for n900 ??
Jan 02 16:34:56 <kerio> "if a page is zeroed, just erase it"
Jan 02 16:35:24 <kerio> i wonder if remounting with discard will cause problems
Jan 02 16:35:31 <kerio> also, can vfat use discard?
Jan 02 16:36:06 <Steven__> kerior: Actually it would be more along the lines  of "We are writing to this area, lets erase it! Oh, wait, this is all zeros, so lets not write anything."
Jan 02 16:36:13 <Steven__> Uhm, yes.
Jan 02 16:36:37 <Steven__> Lets see.
Jan 02 16:36:37 <Steven__> Discard is a generic mount option.
Jan 02 16:36:53 <kerio> yeah but will it do anything
Jan 02 16:36:55 <Steven__> So any partition that supports removing files that uses linux's mount should support discard.
Jan 02 16:37:02 <kerio> also i can't remount with discard :(
Jan 02 16:37:14 <Sicelo> newbieAlert: you've been asking a lot ... maybe tell what exactly you want to do .. then someone who knows moght be able to answer you properly
Jan 02 16:37:15 <Steven__> Why is that?
Jan 02 16:37:23 <kerio> mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home failed: Invalid argument
Jan 02 16:38:00 <kerio> remounting /media/mmc1 with discard changed nothing in /proc/mounts
Jan 02 16:38:05 <Steven__> newbieAlert: It is compiled for the N900, so someone somewhere would have had to have built it as some point.
Jan 02 16:38:09 <Steven__> hmm
Jan 02 16:38:21 <Steven__> Maemo may be too old to support it.
Jan 02 16:38:42 <kerio> yeah, i can't mount with discard :c
Jan 02 16:38:57 <kerio> at least, not the vfat /media/mmc1
Jan 02 16:39:35 <Steven__> BTW, that reminds me of a small gripe I have: There are no man pages installed!
Jan 02 16:39:52 <kerio> they're deleted
Jan 02 16:39:53 <Steven__> If there was a man page, I could just read it to see if it has discard in it.
Jan 02 16:39:56 <kerio> on every install
Jan 02 16:40:05 <Steven__> Why?
Jan 02 16:40:17 <kerio> because /usr has no fucking space
Jan 02 16:40:32 <Steven__> Do they really take up that much space?
Jan 02 16:40:50 <Steven__> being plain text and all
Jan 02 16:40:55 <Sicelo> you can install them
Jan 02 16:40:55 <kerio> /usr *really* has no fucking space
Jan 02 16:42:36 <Steven__> One more reason for installing on the SD card..
Jan 02 16:42:43 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Sorry if my questions bother you.. I need this gtk_widget_get_allocation. it is in gtk 2.13.7 not in 2.14.7 
Jan 02 16:42:44 <Steven__> Also, no apropos.
Jan 02 16:43:27 <newbieAlert> Steven__: yeah.. i tried the same 2.14.7, make dist gave errors.
Jan 02 16:44:14 <Sicelo> newbieAlert: haha, you're not bothering me .. i just felt you will not get an answer with your previous question .. so i was basically saying rephrase. btw, i have no clue about gtk at all
Jan 02 16:44:15 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: I am just learnign how to compile applicationd for n900. i am trying to compile surf, betsurf & kazahakase .. 
Jan 02 16:44:58 <Steven__> newbieAlert: I don't really know much about building GTK. You might look through generic howtos and then try to transfer that over to something Maemo-specific.
Jan 02 16:45:47 <Sicelo> or see if that particualr function can't be backported or something
Jan 02 16:46:30 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: :) i thought i bothered you. ANyways, the error is related to make file like no target for xxx , req by yyy .. and i cant figure out any olution. :( thats why i asked about it, if anyone had it compiled.
Jan 02 16:46:50 <Steven__> This is my current plan for partitioning the SD-card: vfat for sharing data, ext4 (no journal) for /boot, luks+swap, luks+btrfs.
Jan 02 16:46:58 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: i read somewhere that 2.14 can be pathe dfor the function.. 
Jan 02 16:47:03 <newbieAlert> *patched
Jan 02 16:47:46 <newbieAlert> Steven__: Thank you for your time .. 
Jan 02 16:47:47 <Steven__> What do you need the function for? These programs you are porting? Could it be easier to patch the programs so they supported newer versions of GTK?
Jan 02 16:48:13 <newbieAlert> Steven__: yeah the make fails with undefined refrence for the function.
Jan 02 16:49:15 <newbieAlert> Steven__: Ummm, that function is omitted after the GTK 2.13.7, so i dont think there will bea ny alternative for those functions.
Jan 02 16:50:33 <Steven__> I am not sure how critical that function is, since I don't know what you are looking at exactly. But you could try replacing calls from that function with something else (e.g. make up something generic that the function would have returned). It is a horrible hack but it may work in some cases.
Jan 02 16:53:06 <newbieAlert> Steven__: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkWidget.html that function is actually present in GTK#+ && GTK <2.13.7 
Jan 02 16:53:14 <newbieAlert> *GTK3+
Jan 02 16:54:59 <Steven__> Why was it removed? It looks like it gets an ajusted size that the widget is allocated... was probably replaced by something.
Jan 02 16:55:52 <Sicelo> is this related to Maemo btw?
Jan 02 16:56:39 <Steven__> He is trying to compile something for Maemo.
Jan 02 16:57:20 <newbieAlert> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2009-April/msg00150.html
Jan 02 16:57:21 <newbieAlert> Steven__: ^^
Jan 02 16:57:31 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: yep.. for maemo only.
Jan 02 17:01:13 <sec> People are awake today ;o
Jan 02 17:01:17 * sec waves
Jan 02 17:02:45 <Steven__> Hmm. I'm not quite sure how the interface changed, since that mail is talking about hypotheticals. I would recommend finding similar GUI designs that uses the version of GTK that Maemo has to see how they do the same task. That should suggest how to patch the thing you are trying to port.
Jan 02 17:03:26 <Steven__> It doesn't look like something that would require a big rewrite.
Jan 02 17:03:26 <Steven__> But then, I don't know much about GTK.
Jan 02 17:04:48 <Steven__> Looks like from that mail it might be as small as changing a couple lines here and there where the missing function is called. Just find some examples that show you how to do that.
Jan 02 17:05:17 <Steven__> Even better would be if you found a GUI that someone else did the same thing as you need to do, and you can look a the diffs from e.g. Github or something.
Jan 02 17:05:42 <Steven__> Just needs a bit of research.
Jan 02 17:08:51 * APic waves back
Jan 02 17:13:46 <newbieAlert> Steven__: Thanks.. trying to find the same :) 
Jan 02 17:15:01 <Steven__> newbieAlert: Your welcome. I have found that looking for the right info makes a lot of these problems much much easier.
Jan 02 17:29:06 <freemangordon> Steven__: if you want calls working with anything else but maemo, help me and jonwil to finish RE those closed PA modules
Jan 02 17:29:38 <freemangordon> see https://gitorious.org/pulseaudio-nokia/pulseaudio-nokia/source/b11715c65867ce3ac4108237c70bcd2023df9399:
Jan 02 17:31:23 <Steven__> I do, but I don't know that much about PA. What is needed?
Jan 02 17:31:37 <Steven__> I have some knowledge of mathematics, if that helps.
Jan 02 17:33:28 <Steven__> It is not really discrete math though...
Jan 02 18:00:52 <Steven__> freemangordon: I have been looking through the notes/code there. Are there any tasks you would recommend for someone less experienced? Most of it looks like stuff I am unfamiliar with.
Jan 02 18:14:34 <Steven__> sixwheeledbeast^: Does flopswap change any settings to make the size of the reads/writes with swap more optimal for an SD-card? Seeing as how the kernel page size is 4096 and the sd-card page size is often 8-16kB.
Jan 02 18:17:18 <Steven__> According to my flashbench measurements on the Sandisk 64 GiB Ultra Plus: 16KiB page size (most efficient read size), 512KiB erase size, and 4MiB allocation units.
Jan 02 18:17:56 <Steven__> Simultaneously open AUs looks like around 6.
Jan 02 18:22:01 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Jan 02 18:22:35 <APic> o/
Jan 02 18:56:21 <stryngs> For interface wmaster0, can someone let me know what specifically this is?
Jan 02 18:59:55 <newbieAlert> Steven__: Hey Sorry, Gtk was compiled into .so files. It was just that i could not make it into deb files. i will just copy the file o /lib
Jan 02 19:07:56 <Sicelo> stryngs: documentation for mac80211 drivers
Jan 02 19:12:46 <stryngs> Sicelo: hmm, k
Jan 02 19:24:00 <newbieAlert>   pkg-config returning error on pkg-confgi --libs gtk+-2.0.  Will resinstalling gtk help ??
Jan 02 19:27:09 <Steven__> What error?
Jan 02 19:28:11 <stryngs> Sicelo: Could you help me for a moment?
Jan 02 19:28:20 <stryngs> I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong, but i'm lost
Jan 02 19:41:01 <Steven__> Does the CSSU updates phase out proprietary components if FLOSS equivalents become available? Or is that left to the user to do?
Jan 02 19:47:06 <merlin1991> cssu updates always install everything mentioned in the changelog
Jan 02 19:47:37 <merlin1991> there might be more floss equivalents available, but all mentioned on the cssu pages are installed if you install the cssu updates
Jan 02 19:48:29 <Steven__> I was really asking more of a policy question rather than specific changes.
Jan 02 19:50:24 <merlin1991> well policy wise we wanted to start a system where the user can choose, but never got around to implement it
Jan 02 19:51:12 <newbieAlert> Steven__: .pc file missing from pkg-config.
Jan 02 19:51:20 <Steven__> I see. So its mostly leave-it-alone if it is not causing problems, I guess?
Jan 02 19:51:33 <newbieAlert> reinstallation is helping bu i need to install everything again.. :(
Jan 02 19:52:20 <Steven__> newbieAlert: I see. I'm afraid I don't know much about how packages are set up on Maemo yet. Maybe someone else here would know.
Jan 02 19:53:49 <newbieAlert> Steven__: need /usr/lib/pkgconfig folder, for default scratchbox 
Jan 02 19:54:43 <Steven__> Copy it in from another system?
Jan 02 19:59:26 <newbieAlert> Steven__: yep.. i think i will reset the scratchbox  :( 
Jan 02 22:52:02 <freemangordon> Steven__: the module that remains to be REed is the so called -voice module. All you need is IDA with ARM hexrays :). No simple tasks though
Jan 03 00:08:11 <Steven__> freemangordon: I have no idea what your second sentance says, though hexrays sounds like it would be a pretty cool superpower. I guess I am probably too much of a noob to be much help.
Jan 03 00:12:52 <Steven__> Ah, I have deciphered your arcana. You are talking about disassembling the proprietary components. Lol.
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