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Jan 08 05:25:55 <uhhimhere> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmoGanNI-fw
Jan 08 05:43:09 <iluminator105> what folder in n900 is the contacts
Jan 08 07:15:04 <Maxdamantus> to answer iluminator105's question, it looks like it's in ~/.osso-abook/db/, but he's gone.
Jan 08 07:53:18 <Maxdamantus> I notice on the registration form on talk.maemo.org all the timezones are listed relative to GMT.
Jan 08 07:53:38 <Maxdamantus> GMT isn't used anymore. It should be relative to UTC.
Jan 08 10:05:32 <sixwheeledbeast> Maxdamantus: probably something to do with vB
Jan 08 10:07:32 <sixwheeledbeast> infact most world clocks are like that
Jan 08 12:27:30 <chem|st> Maxdamantus: that is not that easy to change, you have to take into account that there are DST depending on the zone you are in and UTC does not have DST, GMT has
Jan 08 12:35:41 <Maxdamantus> chem|st: neither GST nor UTC have DST.
Jan 08 12:36:14 <Maxdamantus> chem|st: GST and UTC basically identical in purpose. We just don't use GMT anymore.
Jan 08 12:37:30 <Maxdamantus> we use UTC, which increments in terms of SI seconds rather than being derived from Earth's orbital position and angular difference from the Sun.
Jan 08 12:38:25 <Maxdamantus> (and jumps occasionally to be closer to UT1, which is derived from the angular positions of a catalogue of distant bright objects)
Jan 08 12:39:35 <Maxdamantus> so UT1 is like a more accurate version of GMT, but UT1 only guides UTC, which is what timestamps today are based on.
Jan 08 12:44:07 <Maxdamantus> chem|st: if you're thinking of England's timezone, it uses BST in the summer.
Jan 08 12:44:42 <Maxdamantus> Otherwise the timezone should be described as UTC, though people probably still describe it as GMT there.
Jan 08 12:45:10 <Maxdamantus> like how here in NZ we change between NZST (NZ standard time) and NZDT (NZ daylight saving time)
Jan 08 12:45:45 <Maxdamantus> DST is about switching between timezones, not altering the meaning of a timezone.
Jan 08 13:00:13 <chem|st> Maxdamantus: honestly, I could not care less, if GMT and UTC are the same in that perspective why not just leave it that way? I could update the phrases and call on a shitstorm about what is UTC...
Jan 08 13:01:18 <Maxdamantus> That's as valid a reason not to fix any mistake.
Jan 08 13:02:02 <bencoh> I guess it all comes from the recent leap second announcement ? ;)
Jan 08 13:02:21 <chem|st> Maxdamantus: what is your local scale of weight, length, distance, speed, height, body sizes?
Jan 08 13:02:48 <chem|st> bencoh: and that is just stupid as most people using UTC are using it as UTC==GMT
Jan 08 13:03:20 <Maxdamantus> chem|st: metric, usually, except for body height.
Jan 08 13:03:29 <Maxdamantus> and maybe wind speed.
Jan 08 13:04:02 <chem|st> Maxdamantus: bodyweight is stone? windspeed is knots?
Jan 08 13:04:13 <chem|st> eh height...
Jan 08 13:04:13 <Maxdamantus> body weight is usually kg.
Jan 08 13:04:32 <chem|st> why have all metric but body height?
Jan 08 13:04:56 <Maxdamantus> Not sure. I'm not really familiar with it myself.
Jan 08 13:05:12 <Maxdamantus> but other people seem to always describe people's heights in feet/inches.
Jan 08 13:06:26 <chem|st> lol
Jan 08 13:10:40 <chem|st> for the time shift.... it is pretty ok to me that time-of-day is a derivate of the orbital position as I don't see that UTC will not become reset to GMT at some point where G8 decide that SI seconds are too short
Jan 08 13:11:15 <Maxdamantus> reset to GMT doesn't really make sense.
Jan 08 13:11:27 <Maxdamantus> GMT refers to a method of timekeeping that's no longer used.
Jan 08 13:11:46 <chem|st> used scientifically...
Jan 08 13:11:54 <Maxdamantus> at all.
Jan 08 13:12:12 <chem|st> even Cs134 clocks refer to GMT not to UTC
Jan 08 13:12:28 <Maxdamantus> they look at distant quasars etc
Jan 08 13:12:42 <Maxdamantus> No. Cs134 clocks have nothing to do with GMT.
Jan 08 13:12:52 <Maxdamantus> They track UTC.
Jan 08 13:13:10 <chem|st> for global flight time GMT==UTC
Jan 08 13:13:19 <Maxdamantus> The current analogue of GMT is UT1.
Jan 08 13:13:37 <chem|st> so in a few years it is UT2?
Jan 08 13:13:46 <Maxdamantus> or arguably UT0 or UT2, but I'm not sure what they use those for.
Jan 08 13:13:55 <Maxdamantus> I think there already is UT2.
Jan 08 13:14:43 <Maxdamantus> “UT2 is a smoothed version of UT1, filtering out periodic seasonal variations. It is mostly of historic interest and rarely used anymore. ”
Jan 08 13:14:47 <Maxdamantus> according to Wikipedia.
Jan 08 13:15:19 <chem|st> and who uses UT1?
Jan 08 13:15:47 <Maxdamantus> UTC uses UT1 to decide when to leap.
Jan 08 13:16:00 <Maxdamantus> though I think they've decided to stop doing that, as bencoh was alluding to.
Jan 08 13:16:26 <Maxdamantus> UTC = UT1 + DUT
Jan 08 13:16:29 <chem|st> most people in EU/NA count gmt+-
Jan 08 13:16:42 <Maxdamantus> -0.9 < DUT < 0.9
Jan 08 13:17:10 <chem|st> if they count at all
Jan 08 13:17:47 <chem|st> we better get rid of DST instead of fucking up seconds
Jan 08 13:18:07 <Maxdamantus> Yes. DST is obviously pointless nowadays.
Jan 08 13:18:20 <chem|st> it was when it was invented
Jan 08 13:19:19 <chem|st> but some people have a good point... we should alter our systems to have that 1hour in general as it gives you more time outside in the evening
Jan 08 13:19:55 <Maxdamantus> That's why countries that abolish it often stick with what they had as their daylight savings time.
Jan 08 13:20:06 <chem|st> yes
Jan 08 13:20:06 <Maxdamantus> instead of their standard time.
Jan 08 13:22:01 <merlin1991> hey chem|st, what I wanted to ask you yesterday, can you please remove all the estel tags from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525 ?
Jan 08 13:22:42 <chem|st> merlin1991: done
Jan 08 13:22:56 <merlin1991> thanks
Jan 08 13:23:15 <chem|st> merlin1991: you can just use the Report This button and ask to remove tags, s/o will do it
Jan 08 13:23:54 <merlin1991> heh, that didn't even cross my mind
Jan 08 13:24:48 <chem|st> we should discuss if not all techstaff should have some more rights on tmo, we have a hidden staff section already
Jan 08 20:10:27 <Sicelo> on N900, is someone able to get more than a black page on http://tv.jw.org/ ?
Jan 08 20:13:39 <Sicelo> not sure what problem could be however
Jan 08 20:21:00 <xes> Sicelo: this could say why: http://validator.w3.org/
Jan 08 20:30:49 <Sicelo> 387 erros :(
Jan 08 20:32:30 <Sicelo> hmm, also seems to be html-5. i'll assume that's the main reason
Jan 08 20:55:25 <sixwheeledbeast> well i would argue a poorly coded site is the main reason
Jan 08 21:12:54 <Sicelo> pity qml-browser doesn't work on thumb, so can't test there
Jan 08 21:15:06 <kerio> use fennec 17
Jan 08 22:03:29 <vakkov> is there a working facebook client left for maemo
Jan 08 22:14:43 <Oksana> Facebrick , sociality, Fmobi , kasvopus ...
Jan 08 22:14:53 <Oksana> I do not use Facebook, sorry.
Jan 08 22:14:53 <vakkov> those dont work
Jan 08 22:15:08 <vakkov> is there a live link for fennec 17 + pixman for thumb
Jan 08 22:15:21 <Oksana> Facebook Java client ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88266
Jan 08 22:16:51 <Oksana> Fennec17+pixman, for thumb: chasing. Rapidshare link is not working.
Jan 08 22:17:37 <nox-> last i read fennec was "eating ram like candy"
Jan 08 22:22:56 <Oksana> Like hungry vampire eating blood pops, you mean? It still works better than anything else. Disclaimer: I did not try Opera. Note: I apparently mis-configured MicroB, to the point it cannot handle any re-directs.
Jan 08 22:29:49 <vakkov> what about qml browser?
Jan 08 22:30:00 <vakkov> never tried it because hildon-components is broken
Jan 08 22:31:28 <vakkov> https://github.com/sjnewbury/fennec-qt-maemo5/commits/master
Jan 08 22:31:36 <vakkov> is this the latest repo used for fennec 17
Jan 08 22:32:13 <vakkov> since there is no deb anywhere :D i just thought i could build it ..
Jan 08 22:34:36 <nox-> "Official support for the Nokia N900 Maemo device ceased with version 7.[65]"
Jan 08 22:34:42 <nox-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_for_Mobile
Jan 08 22:35:48 <Oksana> effing, qmf-facebook, qfacebook...
Jan 08 22:35:58 <Oksana> vakkov: Some help on building: http://www.vladislavonline.com/building-firefox-for-mobile-fennec-on-maemo-sdk/
Jan 08 23:28:29 <vakkov> Oksana: thanks!
Jan 08 23:28:45 <Oksana> np. Good luck!
Jan 08 23:55:53 <bencoh> vakkov: what's wrong with sociality ?
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