**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 02 02:59:58 2015
Feb 02 03:05:05 <Maxdamantus> Now LMD is 1161 mAh.
Feb 02 03:24:07 <Vajb> 1486 here
Feb 02 03:24:43 <Vajb> applet shows 1303 so it's getting closer, but ci is still 1
Feb 02 09:43:12 <zGrr> moin :)
Feb 02 17:26:03 <Luke-Jr> is there a way to get an updated browser on Maemo? :/
Feb 02 17:26:21 <Luke-Jr> Uber Mobile does not like the current one
Feb 02 17:27:43 <totalizator> ~qml-browser
Feb 02 17:28:39 <bencoh> Luke-Jr: wait, we dont need an app to use uber anymore ?
Feb 02 17:29:41 <Luke-Jr> bencoh: m.uber.com works by manual approval
Feb 02 17:30:32 <kerio> Luke-Jr: fennec 17 is pretty recent
Feb 02 17:30:53 <bencoh> Luke-Jr: manual approval, as in "user approved from the app" ?
Feb 02 17:31:08 <Luke-Jr> bencoh: as in you need to send a support request asking them to enable it
Feb 02 17:31:17 <bencoh> oh
Feb 02 17:32:12 <bencoh> well, that's still better than not being able to use it at all ... thx for the tip :)
Feb 02 17:33:00 <bencoh> m.uber.com doesnt seem to load in qmlbrowser
Feb 02 17:33:08 <Luke-Jr> :/
Feb 02 17:34:39 <Luke-Jr> can't figure out how to get extras-devel to work
Feb 02 17:34:51 <Luke-Jr> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list has: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free
Feb 02 17:34:57 <Luke-Jr> but aptitude update doesn't mention it
Feb 02 17:35:08 <bencoh> that's extras, not extras-devel
Feb 02 17:35:39 <bencoh> create a new .list next to it with -devel ... but set apt-pinning before updating/upgrading
Feb 02 17:35:47 <Luke-Jr> I guess if QMLBrowser doesn't work I don't need it anyway
Feb 02 17:38:02 <bencoh> https://developer.uber.com/
Feb 02 17:38:10 <bencoh> looks like we might be able to do something :)
Feb 02 17:42:47 <Luke-Jr> OS:  2.6.28.10-power50/armv7l - CPU: 0 x  ( MHz) - Processes: 154 - Uptime:  12:43:14 up 16 days, 14:36, load average: 0.68, 0.45, 0.28 - Memory Usage: 299MB/229MB (130%)
Feb 02 17:42:48 <Luke-Jr> hum
Feb 02 17:45:03 <Luke-Jr> is there a SUPL server that works with N900 these days?
Feb 02 17:45:27 <bencoh> google's supl, or your mobile service provider
Feb 02 17:46:01 <Luke-Jr> any way to confirm when I have one that works?
Feb 02 17:47:45 <bencoh> if your time to first fix is lower than 12mn it prolly means it works
Feb 02 17:47:58 <bencoh> (first cold fix)
Feb 02 17:49:34 <Luke-Jr> supl.google.com:3425 ?
Feb 02 17:50:19 <bencoh> default port (none specified here)
Feb 02 17:51:26 <Sicelo> supl.google stopped working on N900 ages ago
Feb 02 17:51:37 <Sicelo> use supl.nokia.com ...
Feb 02 17:51:57 <Sicelo> you will need the certificate fix as well, which will already be installed if you're on CSSU
Feb 02 17:52:06 <bencoh> Sicelo: hm, it works here (?!)
Feb 02 17:53:11 <Sicelo> wow. you sure? it could simply be that you have working SIM card on the N900, which makes a biiig difference in getting unassisted GPS lock on N900
Feb 02 17:53:37 <Luke-Jr> is there a safe/clean way to update to CSSU?
Feb 02 17:53:45 <bencoh> Sicelo: working card what ?
Feb 02 17:54:13 <Sicelo> yes bencoh. Docscrutinizer has a name for that .. RRLP or some such.
Feb 02 17:54:14 <bencoh> Sicelo: and I double-checked recently by disabling it afterwards
Feb 02 17:54:27 <Sicelo> interesting.
Feb 02 17:55:06 <bencoh> (actually it was a discussion with Doc on #neo900 ;)
Feb 02 17:55:24 <Luke-Jr> I'm not seeing any attempts to talk to supl.google.com at all
Feb 02 17:55:31 <Luke-Jr> oh, there it goes
Feb 02 17:55:36 <Luke-Jr> but no response to SYN :p
Feb 02 17:56:00 <bencoh> Luke-Jr: I dunno about the safe part, but there is a working step-by-step in wiki
Feb 02 17:56:27 <Sicelo> it's very safe. just updated my 2nd N900 to CSSU-T yesterday
Feb 02 17:58:53 <Luke-Jr> is it safe even if I have a boot menu with Gentoo? <.<
Feb 02 17:59:12 <Sicelo> sure. it doesn't touch that :)
Feb 02 17:59:47 <Sicelo> btw, you should make an image of your gentoo and share
Feb 02 18:00:26 <Luke-Jr> Sicelo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 has existed for quite some time
Feb 02 18:02:26 <Sicelo> thanks. never seen it before. i just knew about your gps.c
Feb 02 18:03:21 <bencoh> Luke-Jr: "Note the other end will probably get silence, and you won't hear them either. I'm working on an ALSA plugin to fix this" is that still true ? :)
Feb 02 18:04:16 <Luke-Jr> no
Feb 02 18:04:30 <Luke-Jr> hm, I changed SUPL to supl.nokia.com and it is still trying google
Feb 02 18:04:36 <bencoh> meaning it does work, or you're not working on it anymore ? :)
Feb 02 18:04:44 <Luke-Jr> bencoh: not the latter at least
Feb 02 18:04:52 <bencoh> okay
Feb 02 18:12:10 <bencoh> Luke-Jr: http://rix.si/blog/2015/01/01/2014-how-did-i-do/
Feb 02 18:12:19 <bencoh> "That's really all I use a phone for besides ordering an Uber, which I can user m.uber.com for."
Feb 02 18:12:26 <bencoh> I guess you should ask him :)
Feb 02 18:13:18 <Luke-Jr> Fennec seems to work, though not with GPS yet(?)
Feb 02 18:13:48 <bencoh> dunno, the maemo location extension might use a custom api
Feb 02 18:14:25 <Luke-Jr> nah, I just can't get a GPS fix :p
Feb 02 18:25:12 <Luke-Jr> CSSU instructions did not work
Feb 02 18:25:22 <Luke-Jr> "5. Hildon Application Manager (HAM) will launch and begin processing (be patient as nothing seems to happen for some minutes). There are a series of installations for which it will prompt you with messages and warnings. Click "Accept" and "Done" for each to install."
Feb 02 18:25:43 <Luke-Jr> I only got the initial prompt to add the repo, then a longish wait, and nothing
Feb 02 18:25:52 <Luke-Jr> there is no Community SSU icon in the app menu
Feb 02 18:35:43 <Vajb> i kinda feel that u didn't wait long enough
Feb 02 18:36:02 <Vajb> it is literally several minutes
Feb 02 18:38:45 <Luke-Jr> at the default HAM screen?
Feb 02 18:39:27 <Luke-Jr> ie, no indication of anything going on
Feb 02 19:06:34 <freemangordon> Luke-Jr: yeah, stock HAM is veeeery slow
Feb 02 19:06:54 <freemangordon> you need about 7-10 minutes, depending on the repos you have enabled
Feb 02 19:07:09 <freemangordon> also, Nokia supl sever works
Feb 02 19:07:16 <freemangordon> (with CSSU that is)
Feb 02 19:09:21 <freemangordon> Pali: still no reply from FatPhil :(
Feb 02 19:11:51 <Luke-Jr> how do I know when/if I get CSSU on there successfully?
Feb 02 19:15:11 <freemangordon> you should have "About CSSU" in settings :)
Feb 02 19:15:39 <freemangordon> do you have mp-fremantle-pr uninstalled by chance?
Feb 02 19:15:45 <freemangordon> Luke-Jr: ^^^
Feb 02 19:16:33 <Luke-Jr> no
Feb 02 19:16:37 <Luke-Jr> just /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-community-pr.
Feb 02 19:17:14 <freemangordon> what "dpkg -l | grep mp-fremantle" says?
Feb 02 19:17:49 <Luke-Jr> ii  mp-fremantle-community-pr                           21.2011.38-1Smaemo7              Community SSU package, includes latest fixes from Gitorious an
Feb 02 19:18:27 <freemangordon> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable#21.2011.38-1Smaemo7_.2803.09.2014.29
Feb 02 19:18:32 <freemangordon> seems you have it
Feb 02 19:18:37 <Luke-Jr> great
Feb 02 19:18:49 <Luke-Jr> any idea what power kernel has the Thumb2 workaround?
Feb 02 19:18:58 <freemangordon> !cssu-thumb
Feb 02 19:19:04 <freemangordon> ~cssu-thumb
Feb 02 19:19:05 <infobot> from memory, cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
Feb 02 19:19:27 <freemangordon> "...If you have kernel-power v51r1 or above..."
Feb 02 19:19:42 <Luke-Jr> oh well, seems stable is only 50
Feb 02 19:19:53 <freemangordon> hmm, no, KP53 is in extras
Feb 02 19:20:00 <freemangordon> and it is stable
Feb 02 19:20:32 <freemangordon> at least I am not aware of issues
Feb 02 19:21:21 <freemangordon> Luke-Jr: does Nokia supl server work now?
Feb 02 19:21:27 <freemangordon> (it should)
Feb 02 19:21:37 <Luke-Jr> I have no way to reliably determine that afaik
Feb 02 19:22:10 <freemangordon> oh, you have, look in the syslog
Feb 02 19:22:49 <freemangordon> put location widget on your desktop 
Feb 02 19:23:07 <Luke-Jr> there's a syslog? :p
Feb 02 19:23:11 <freemangordon> then check the messages in the syslog
Feb 02 19:23:25 <freemangordon> if you have it installed :P
Feb 02 19:23:25 <kerio> sure, in busybox-power :>
Feb 02 19:23:35 <freemangordon> kerio: what?
Feb 02 19:23:51 <kerio> you heard me
Feb 02 19:23:57 <freemangordon> I don't have bb-power, yet I have syslogd (and klogd) installed
Feb 02 19:24:10 <kerio> sure, there's also *the* syslog available as a package
Feb 02 19:24:19 <freemangordon> and (how weird) I have /var/log/syslog ;)
Feb 02 19:24:20 <kerio> but busybox-power is probably more popular
Feb 02 19:24:24 <Luke-Jr> do any of these have a RAM-only syslog? :p
Feb 02 19:25:06 <freemangordon> Luke-Jr: ok, scratch that syslog thingie - if you can gat a lock in 10-15 seconds, then *most probably* the supl server works
Feb 02 19:25:13 <freemangordon> *get
Feb 02 19:25:17 <Luke-Jr> I doubt I can
Feb 02 19:25:36 <freemangordon> took 5 seconds here, indoors
Feb 02 19:28:18 <Luke-Jr> bah, CSSU broke my Gentoo chroot
Feb 02 19:28:31 <Luke-Jr> nm, reboot fixed it
Feb 02 19:28:36 <Sicelo> :)
Feb 02 19:29:06 <Luke-Jr> nothing in syslog, but it did get a fix in ~60 sec
Feb 02 19:29:22 <freemangordon> hmm, that's slow
Feb 02 19:29:27 <freemangordon> should be way faster
Feb 02 19:29:32 <Luke-Jr> heh, it's fast for me
Feb 02 19:29:38 <Luke-Jr> usually I get to my destination before I get a fix
Feb 02 19:29:49 <freemangordon> :)
Feb 02 19:29:58 <freemangordon> nothing in syslog?
Feb 02 19:30:07 <Luke-Jr> not about GPS
Feb 02 19:30:12 <Luke-Jr> lots of glib warning bs
Feb 02 19:30:31 <Luke-Jr> Feb  2 14:30:46 sanji user.debug location-daemon[2082]: GLIB DEBUG default - GPS STATE: search
Feb 02 19:30:54 <freemangordon> yep, location-daemon it is
Feb 02 19:31:04 <Luke-Jr> weird
Feb 02 19:31:07 <Luke-Jr> maybe it didn't get a fix
Feb 02 19:31:13 <freemangordon> "GLIB DEBUG default - location-sb: fix status changed: 1->2"
Feb 02 19:31:26 <Luke-Jr> its icon went solid, but AGTL says no fix
Feb 02 19:31:38 <freemangordon> if the icon is solid, then you have a fix
Feb 02 19:33:51 <freemangordon> Luke-Jr: BTW, if you want geolocation working as well, you need to either install CSSU-t/thumb or manually install nokiamaps-navigation-provider 0.200-2+0m5
Feb 02 19:34:48 <Luke-Jr> eh, it's always worked for me, so I must have the latter
Feb 02 19:34:48 <freemangordon> hmm, I meant geotagging (in camera, etc)
Feb 02 19:34:52 <Luke-Jr> oh
Feb 02 19:38:09 <Luke-Jr> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.28.10-power53/armv7l - CPU: 0 x  ( MHz) - Processes: 154 - Uptime:  14:38:32 up 16 min,  0 users,  load average: 2.14, 2.64, 1.73 - Memory Usage: 366MB/229MB (159%)
Feb 02 19:38:16 * Luke-Jr wonders how risky Thumb2/testing would be
Feb 02 19:38:51 <freemangordon> well, I guess i am not the one to answer :)
Feb 02 19:40:01 <freemangordon> but it should be safe and stable for everyday use.
Feb 02 20:06:16 <Luke-Jr> Get:41 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free modest-l10n-frca 6.11+0cssu4 [11.1kB]                           
Feb 02 20:06:22 <Luke-Jr> can I tell Maemo I don't need non-English? <.<
Feb 02 20:21:27 <Luke-Jr> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.28.10-power53/armv7l - CPU: 0 x  ( MHz) - Processes: 132 - Uptime:  15:21:40 up 1 min,  0 users,  load average: 4.04, 1.82, 0.67 - Memory Usage: 110MB/229MB (47%)
Feb 02 20:21:30 <Luke-Jr> much better
Feb 02 20:39:19 <Sicelo> what command produces that output Luke-Jr?
Feb 02 20:58:50 <bencoh> hmm, is it just me, or fennec is freaking slow ?
Feb 02 21:04:18 <nox-> last i knew fennec was "eating ram like candy"
Feb 02 21:04:41 <nox-> so maybe you're swapping
Feb 02 21:05:31 <bencoh> yeah, I am (heavily)
Feb 02 21:05:41 <bencoh> and it does eat it
Feb 02 22:34:45 <Luke-Jr> Sicelo: shell script I wrote
Feb 02 22:34:54 <Luke-Jr> http://codepad.org/rY0qaC2I
Feb 02 22:39:04 <Luke-Jr> $ fennec 
Feb 02 22:39:05 <Luke-Jr> XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /opt/fennec-17.0a1/libxpcom.so:
Feb 02 22:39:06 <Luke-Jr> libQtFeedback.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Feb 02 22:40:12 <kerio> you need cssu-thumb installed
Feb 02 22:40:27 <Luke-Jr> it is
Feb 02 22:46:58 <bencoh> ?
Feb 02 22:54:56 <Luke-Jr> cssu-thumb is installed
Feb 02 22:58:16 <Luke-Jr> installing libqtm-12-feedback fixed it, guess it's missing a dependency on it
Feb 02 23:04:24 <Luke-Jr> Fennec seems too slow to be usable
Feb 02 23:13:29 <bencoh> yeah
Feb 02 23:14:01 <bencoh> Luke-Jr: does m.uber work properly for you with it ?
Feb 02 23:16:35 <Luke-Jr> bencoh: until I get to the point where I need to position the location because GPS accuracy sucks
Feb 02 23:17:26 <Luke-Jr> not to mention my battery dying within 15 minutes with GPS enabled, apparently :|
Feb 02 23:33:59 <bencoh> woot ?
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