**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 02:59:59 2015
Feb 16 10:25:51 <KotCzarny> hmm, how reliable is top's 'idle%' field?
Feb 16 14:59:44 <KotCzarny> hrm, pygtk is so slow..
Feb 16 15:00:04 <KotCzarny> maybe i should rewrite remote in c+gtk
Feb 16 18:39:22 <Tekk_> has anyone ever broken their slider mechanism?
Feb 16 18:39:34 <Tekk_> I just accidentally dropped my phone while it was open and it seems to be jammed
Feb 16 18:46:13 <KotCzarny> could be
Feb 16 18:46:26 <KotCzarny> i got it in similar situation once
Feb 16 18:46:33 <KotCzarny> luckily i was able to unwedge it
Feb 16 18:46:51 <KotCzarny> but as in any mechanical damage it doesnt have to be the same
Feb 16 18:47:20 <KotCzarny> google for n900 service manual
Feb 16 18:47:29 <KotCzarny> you will see how its pieced together
Feb 16 18:47:38 <KotCzarny> in case you will have to open it to fix
Feb 16 18:47:51 <KotCzarny> (i just pushed mine hard, but ymmv)
Feb 16 18:48:06 <Tekk_> oh come on..
Feb 16 18:49:26 <Tekk_> shit...
Feb 16 18:52:22 <Tekk_> they don't seem incredibly out of alignment or anything..
Feb 16 18:52:35 <KotCzarny> things are small there
Feb 16 18:52:48 <KotCzarny> even fraction of mm could be too much to slide
Feb 16 18:52:53 <Tekk_> mhm
Feb 16 18:53:03 * Tekk_ keeps poking at it
Feb 16 18:53:28 <Tekk_> slider mechanism *is* the metal bit in the rack on the screen portion right?
Feb 16 18:53:51 <KotCzarny> never been inside n900
Feb 16 18:54:02 <KotCzarny> but service manual has *photos*
Feb 16 18:54:04 <KotCzarny> lots of them
Feb 16 18:54:38 <Tekk_> oh...
Feb 16 18:54:39 <Tekk_> hold on
Feb 16 18:55:22 <KotCzarny> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N900-Slide-mechanism-with-flex-Genuine-Original-A72-10-/170779313875
Feb 16 18:55:30 <KotCzarny> 7gbp
Feb 16 18:55:37 <KotCzarny> the worst case scenario
Feb 16 18:55:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 16 18:55:41 <Tekk_> yeah
Feb 16 18:55:44 <Tekk_> poking at the right thing
Feb 16 18:56:30 <KotCzarny> it doesnt look too complicated in terms of moving parts
Feb 16 18:56:54 <KotCzarny> but if you bend metal thingies..
Feb 16 18:57:05 <Tekk_> exactly
Feb 16 18:57:07 <Tekk_> I'm working on unbending
Feb 16 18:57:27 <Tekk_> I see the problem side at least
Feb 16 18:58:24 <KotCzarny> hrm, sourceforge.net got broken or what.. certificate went boo boo
Feb 16 18:58:41 <Tekk_> hmm...
Feb 16 18:58:50 <Tekk_> wonder if my third hand could handle this or if it'd be too heavy
Feb 16 18:58:53 <KotCzarny> The sourceforge.net website is temporarily in static offline mode.
Feb 16 18:58:55 <KotCzarny> lol
Feb 16 18:59:44 <Tekk_> man, that's a bit gory
Feb 16 18:59:45 <Tekk_> okay
Feb 16 19:00:02 <Tekk_> so what happened was that when it dropped
Feb 16 19:00:14 <Tekk_> it scraped along the coating on the metal back of the screen
Feb 16 19:00:17 <Tekk_> that got jammed all up in there
Feb 16 19:00:22 <Tekk_> raised it off of the track a bit
Feb 16 19:00:26 <Tekk_> let it jump out of the back of the phone a touch
Feb 16 19:00:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 16 19:00:50 <Tekk_> that was pretty scary :)
Feb 16 19:00:55 <bencoh> :-)
Feb 16 19:01:50 <KotCzarny> say what, i installed new camera api one day, then forgot about it, then wanted to take photo and all i saw was black
Feb 16 19:01:54 <KotCzarny> THAT was scary
Feb 16 19:02:11 <KotCzarny> luckily after uninstalling 2 debs it went back to normal
Feb 16 19:02:23 <Tekk_> phone with a bad camera still fits in your pocket :p
Feb 16 19:02:36 <Tekk_> that'd be a fun forum poll "Would you start carrying a handbag if your n900's slider broke, or would you change?"
Feb 16 19:02:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 16 19:03:14 <KotCzarny> you could always have installed velcro
Feb 16 19:03:17 <bencoh> I'm pretty sure most would disassemble it :p
Feb 16 19:03:50 <Tekk_> on the more optimistic side though
Feb 16 19:04:11 <Tekk_> that disassembly is about halfway to installing a neo900 board if I can get my hands on one of those. So...yay for practice? :p
Feb 16 19:04:17 <bencoh> haha
Feb 16 19:04:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 16 19:04:26 <KotCzarny> well
Feb 16 19:04:42 <KotCzarny> bad side would be that board is ok, case is bad
Feb 16 19:04:43 <KotCzarny> ;)
Feb 16 19:04:59 <Tekk_> ugh
Feb 16 19:05:03 <Tekk_> whoever designed this ribbon cable
Feb 16 19:05:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 16 19:05:21 <Tekk_> needs to die by having to attach the ribbon cable until they bleed out from the fingers
Feb 16 19:06:41 <KotCzarny> pity thing is that designers, engineers and testers are three different people in corpos
Feb 16 19:06:53 <KotCzarny> and managers.
Feb 16 19:07:07 <KotCzarny> that bunch is also often responsible
Feb 16 19:07:32 <bencoh> I dont think it was meant to be disassembled/re-assembled at will by end users ;)
Feb 16 19:07:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 16 19:08:45 <Tekk_> yeah
Feb 16 19:08:46 <Tekk_> but still
Feb 16 19:08:49 <Tekk_> one tiny change...
Feb 16 19:08:56 <Tekk_> flip both ends upside down
Feb 16 19:09:11 <Tekk_> then you could much more easily reattach without having the bodies get in the way of eachother
Feb 16 19:18:42 <Tekk_> nah, something's bent..
Feb 16 19:18:45 * Tekk_ has to go in again
Feb 16 19:18:56 <Tekk_> I can see it pressing against the back of the screen when I slide
Feb 16 19:26:25 <Clark44> hi ppl
Feb 16 19:26:35 <Tekk_> hi
Feb 16 19:27:00 <Clark44> MohammadAG in here much?
Feb 16 19:31:23 <KotCzarny> https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/oscp/screenshots/oscp-n800-remote.png
Feb 16 19:31:40 <Tekk_> huh...
Feb 16 19:31:46 <Tekk_> KotCzarny: do you have your phone on you?
Feb 16 19:32:06 <KotCzarny> nope, but it is nearby
Feb 16 19:32:08 <Tekk_> okay
Feb 16 19:32:11 <Tekk_> could you turn your screen on
Feb 16 19:32:19 <Tekk_> WHILE the screen is on, slide it up and down a few times
Feb 16 19:32:25 <Tekk_> do you see anything brushing against the screen near the center?
Feb 16 19:32:41 <KotCzarny> nope
Feb 16 19:32:52 <Tekk_> thanks
Feb 16 19:33:16 <Tekk_> I can't see anything wrong in here...
Feb 16 19:33:25 <KotCzarny> could be bent on fall
Feb 16 19:33:30 <Tekk_> yeah
Feb 16 19:35:33 <Tekk_> yeah, there's a bend there
Feb 16 19:35:35 <Tekk_> fitting it into the case
Feb 16 19:35:59 <Tekk_> luckily steel's a pretty flexible metal...
Feb 16 19:39:15 <KotCzarny> the f*ck
Feb 16 19:39:30 <KotCzarny> i just broke 3.5 headphone plug inside n800
Feb 16 19:39:50 <Tekk_> is an n800 any use?
Feb 16 19:40:21 <KotCzarny> yes
Feb 16 19:40:23 <KotCzarny> definitely
Feb 16 19:40:45 <KotCzarny> i just wrote pygtk gui for my player
Feb 16 19:41:22 <KotCzarny> so right now: stereo + n800 + oscp + oscp-remote == music system
Feb 16 19:41:30 <KotCzarny> plays everything you can imaging
Feb 16 19:42:04 <KotCzarny> from mp3s, through aac, flv, mid, mod, s3m, sid, sc68, mdx, nsf.. etc
Feb 16 19:42:14 <KotCzarny> https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/oscp/screenshots/oscp-n800-remote.png
Feb 16 19:42:21 <KotCzarny> and this is how the gui looks on n800
Feb 16 19:45:14 <KotCzarny> https://sourceforge.net/p/oscp/screenshot/oscp-pc-remote.png
Feb 16 19:45:20 <KotCzarny> and this is how it looks on pc
Feb 16 19:45:30 <KotCzarny> they all connect to oscp running on n800
Feb 16 19:53:41 <KotCzarny> https://sourceforge.net/p/oscp/screenshot/oscp-remote-n900.png
Feb 16 19:53:52 <KotCzarny> and that's how it looks on n900
Feb 16 19:53:59 <KotCzarny> (also connected to the same n800)
Feb 16 20:00:37 <KotCzarny> hrm, i need some plastic-to-metal glue
Feb 16 20:18:15 <bencoh> nice :)
Feb 16 20:18:49 <KotCzarny> bencoh: if you are talking about oscp, ill upload current version in a few
Feb 16 20:19:56 <bencoh> yeah I was
Feb 16 20:20:19 <KotCzarny> cute thing is that you can even control it via telnet
Feb 16 20:20:30 <KotCzarny> or php, or anything
Feb 16 20:20:40 <KotCzarny> as its plaintext
Feb 16 20:21:03 <bencoh> :)
Feb 16 20:21:19 <KotCzarny> handling big lists (>4000) is pain in pygtk tho
Feb 16 20:21:28 <KotCzarny> so i will have to rewrite it in plain c
Feb 16 21:14:21 <KotCzarny> bencoh: ok, new versions are upped
Feb 16 21:14:52 <KotCzarny> pc and n8x0 were tested, n900-PA wasnt
Feb 16 22:49:48 <Melissa_> Hello
Feb 16 22:50:00 <Melissa_> Is it a correct notion that my N900 will increase in value once the Neo900 comes out?
Feb 16 23:00:16 <kerio> lol wut
Feb 16 23:01:49 <Melissa_> You know, because people can use the new motherboard in the same hardware, so people have more reason to buy it
Feb 16 23:02:48 <chem|st> Melissa_: I guess so but would not bet on it
Feb 16 23:03:33 <chem|st> it is cheaper to buy a Jolla with TOHKBD2 then to go Neo900
Feb 16 23:04:24 <Melissa_> If only the Jolla had a hardware keyboard
Feb 16 23:04:29 <Melissa_> I'd go Jo-la-la
Feb 16 23:05:37 <Melissa_> (i.e. it'd make me jolly)
Feb 16 23:08:03 <chem|st> Melissa_: the tohkbd2 is as good as one
Feb 16 23:13:18 <Melissa_> Ooh
Feb 16 23:13:21 <Melissa_> That looks cool
Feb 16 23:14:46 <Melissa_> I'd buy it if it weren't for the UMID Mbook I just ordered. :)
Feb 16 23:16:09 <chem|st> hehe
Feb 16 23:16:58 <chem|st> well I hope the tablet-phone integration will be good so I can have the tablet as huge screen keyboard for phone tasks
Feb 16 23:54:06 <bencoh> impressive ... ebay has no UMID mbook to sell in europe
Feb 16 23:55:17 <bencoh> hm, nothing on ebay world either
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