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Feb 21 07:56:32 <sixwheeledbeast^> kong: cutetube WFM, which version are you using?
Feb 21 07:59:17 <sixwheeledbeast^> flash videos will not work in a browser, IIRC flash faker stopped working. QML Browser (all be it a bit buggy) will play html5 video.
Feb 21 08:19:13 <KotCzarny> hmm
Feb 21 08:19:14 <KotCzarny> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/releases/7.0.1/maemo5-gtk/en-US/
Feb 21 08:21:23 <KotCzarny> wonder if there is a way to take a source, then patch it up to higher releases
Feb 21 08:26:26 <sixwheeledbeast^> KotCzarny: IIRC that was the last available version possible for some reason.
Feb 21 08:26:53 <KotCzarny> reason being nokia stopping support for n900?
Feb 21 08:32:12 <KotCzarny> html5 webm was added in fx5
Feb 21 08:32:27 <KotCzarny> does it mean it we can have youtub/html5 ?
Feb 21 08:33:14 <KotCzarny> gotta try it now
Feb 21 08:36:05 <sixwheeledbeast^> KotCzarny: It wasn't nokia. I can't remember the details but the death and slowness of fennec spawned embedlite and alopex projects.
Feb 21 08:38:16 <sixwheeledbeast^> fennec was very memory intensive and practically usable from version 2
Feb 21 08:40:34 <sixwheeledbeast^> it would be great if the issues were fixed with QML browser IMO. I would use it as my default browser then.
Feb 21 08:41:16 <KotCzarny> internet says that fx7 used half of the earlier versions memory
Feb 21 08:41:23 <KotCzarny> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Firefox#Version_7
Feb 21 08:45:56 <sixwheeledbeast^> KotCzarny: Fennec and Firefox are different. 
Feb 21 08:47:33 <sixwheeledbeast^> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_for_mobile  As you can see Mozilla dropped support for fennec after 4, someone on TMO built 7.0.1 for Maemo.
Feb 21 08:48:14 <sixwheeledbeast^> dropped Fennec support for Maemo, I should say.
Feb 21 08:51:40 <KotCzarny> hrm
Feb 21 08:51:45 <KotCzarny> it works
Feb 21 08:51:48 <KotCzarny> in a way
Feb 21 08:51:58 <KotCzarny> youtube detects webm support
Feb 21 08:52:08 <KotCzarny> but videos open in system player
Feb 21 08:52:15 <KotCzarny> still, works out of the box
Feb 21 08:52:42 <Luke-Jr> does 7.0.1 work reasonably? or still too slow to use?
Feb 21 08:52:57 <KotCzarny> luke: depends
Feb 21 08:52:59 <KotCzarny> just try it
Feb 21 08:54:03 <sixwheeledbeast^> Luke-Jr: It's not usable IMO. 7.0.1 was the last version for Maemo
Feb 21 08:54:41 <KotCzarny> swb: still, you can browse youtube/watch videos without any hacking
Feb 21 08:54:41 <Luke-Jr> hm, I currently appear to have 17.0a1
Feb 21 08:54:54 <KotCzarny> luke, lol
Feb 21 08:54:59 <sixwheeledbeast^> Luke-Jr: thumb?
Feb 21 08:55:01 <Luke-Jr> yes
Feb 21 08:55:07 <sixwheeledbeast^> that's why
Feb 21 08:55:12 <Luke-Jr> is 7.0 better?
Feb 21 08:55:19 <sixwheeledbeast^> there are thumb bulds about too
Feb 21 08:55:22 <KotCzarny> i would say newer is better
Feb 21 08:55:32 <Luke-Jr> KotCzarny: well, the 17 is entirely unusable
Feb 21 08:55:34 <KotCzarny> faster js etc
Feb 21 08:55:35 <sixwheeledbeast^> Luke-Jr: no the thumb version would be better
Feb 21 08:56:00 <KotCzarny> luke, you can install tar.bz2 version and run from some dir
Feb 21 08:56:09 <KotCzarny> without interfering with installed one
Feb 21 08:56:15 <Luke-Jr> :<
Feb 21 08:56:24 <Luke-Jr> wish there was a browser that worked with Uber
Feb 21 08:56:41 <sixwheeledbeast^> I wouldn't bother IMO but if you like to experiment go for it.
Feb 21 08:58:10 <sixwheeledbeast^> I so wished fennec to work. I used it from version 1, but it's been unusable for so long.
Feb 21 09:00:04 <KotCzarny> well, it's not that bad
Feb 21 09:00:09 <sixwheeledbeast^> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88682 thumb build thread
Feb 21 09:00:21 <KotCzarny> i can live with a bit of slowness as long page renders and works
Feb 21 09:00:35 <Luke-Jr> KotCzarny: I tried for 2 hours to call an Uber.
Feb 21 09:00:40 <Luke-Jr> that is beyond slow
Feb 21 09:00:45 <KotCzarny> i only browse web on n900 when i'm on-the-go
Feb 21 09:00:50 <sixwheeledbeast^> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89506 alopex thread
Feb 21 09:00:58 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~alopex
Feb 21 09:00:59 <infobot> somebody said alopex was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1329671
Feb 21 09:01:20 <Luke-Jr> yeah, usually when you want to call Uber, it's because you're on-the-go… :P
Feb 21 09:01:21 <KotCzarny> would thumb build work on stock fremantle?
Feb 21 09:01:30 <Luke-Jr> KotCzarny: no
Feb 21 09:01:32 <sixwheeledbeast^> doh, infobot worked for a change :(
Feb 21 09:01:35 <KotCzarny> luke: don't know what uber is
Feb 21 09:01:41 <KotCzarny> hehe
Feb 21 09:01:43 <Luke-Jr> KotCzarny: cheap taxi
Feb 21 10:22:37 <Kamping_Kaiser> bencoh: i have collected a few. I can't list them now but I'll definitely come back and ask about them in the next few days :)
Feb 21 10:22:41 <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
Feb 21 11:55:26 <kong> How can i change n900 default media player to KMPlayer? it just support most video formats not like the standard video player
Feb 21 14:09:22 <kong> kong you can change default applications in /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
Feb 21 14:09:43 <kong> thx kong!
Feb 21 14:36:19 <Sicelo> kong: yes it's possible, BUT .. consider that the N900 has a DSP which KMPlayer cannot access/use. So when playing videos, you lose the benefit of the DSP as now everything must be handled by main CPU.
Feb 21 14:36:49 <KotCzarny> sicelo, some mplayer builds DO USE dsp 
Feb 21 14:37:00 <Sicelo> oh, didn't know
Feb 21 14:37:16 <KotCzarny> at least they did in 2009 when i was playing with it
Feb 21 14:37:32 <Sicelo> i have mplayer .. you know which build versions we're talking about?
Feb 21 14:37:34 <KotCzarny> don't know which kmplayer uses
Feb 21 14:38:27 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mplayer/
Feb 21 14:38:49 <KotCzarny> for diablo
Feb 21 14:39:09 * Sicelo is using SVN-r30099-4.2.1 on Maemo.
Feb 21 14:40:02 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: you're talking about diablo? or you also tested on Maemo? (bear in mind i'm not saying you're wrong, but i need enlightenment:)
Feb 21 14:40:04 <KotCzarny> [root@Nokia-N800-43-7:/]# mplayer
Feb 21 14:40:04 <KotCzarny> MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.29.n8x0 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
Feb 21 14:40:04 <KotCzarny> CPU: ARM
Feb 21 14:40:04 <KotCzarny> Internet Tablet OS version: RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0
Feb 21 14:41:55 <KotCzarny> you can always grab it and check if it's better than the one you have
Feb 21 14:42:11 <KotCzarny> but i assume people managed to improve mplayer in fremantle
Feb 21 14:43:06 <Sicelo> tbh i think most people have zero issues with stock player. there is OMP which is a FOSS gui front-end and is way nicer
Feb 21 14:43:22 <Sicelo> ymmv
Feb 21 14:43:39 <KotCzarny> kmplayer most likely is just a gui for mplayer
Feb 21 14:43:54 <KotCzarny> which can have gui protocol compiled in
Feb 21 14:44:53 <kong> i got in 1 of my movies fps loss but rest is well now
Feb 21 14:45:24 <kong> much better then the no video codec message!
Feb 21 14:45:45 <Sicelo> what format was the video? what codecs in use?
Feb 21 14:46:02 <Sicelo> if it's public, a link will also help :)
Feb 21 14:46:41 <kong> flv, avi, mp4, mov
Feb 21 14:46:54 <kong> movies are on sd card
Feb 21 14:47:12 <Sicelo> you have an example you can share publicly somewhere? want to test with mine
Feb 21 14:47:26 <KotCzarny> sicelo: you can grab flv from youtube
Feb 21 14:47:50 <kong> i received a video from whatsapp, also not playable without kmplayer for me
Feb 21 14:47:52 <kong> or mplayer
Feb 21 14:48:36 <Sicelo> i've downloaded many videos from youtube (using cutecube), and they play with stock
Feb 21 14:48:54 <KotCzarny> most likely cutecube downloads supported format
Feb 21 14:50:16 <KotCzarny> in firefox install 'youtube video and audio downloader'
Feb 21 14:50:32 <KotCzarny> it will present you with multiple links
Feb 21 14:52:16 * Sicelo xfers some flv from his pc (downloaded with youtube download helper .. will test now
Feb 21 14:53:37 <kong> firefox on n900?
Feb 21 14:53:53 <KotCzarny> nah, on lapyop
Feb 21 14:53:57 <KotCzarny> *laptop
Feb 21 14:54:23 <KotCzarny> on n900 it's called fennec, but is slow
Feb 21 14:54:24 <Sicelo> <from his pc> ;)
Feb 21 14:54:54 <kong> KotCzarny: does it works?
Feb 21 14:54:58 <KotCzarny> yes
Feb 21 14:55:08 <kong> also on youtube?
Feb 21 14:55:40 <KotCzarny> on youtube i have set format to html5 (webm) and it launched system player which played videos fine
Feb 21 14:56:09 <KotCzarny> cumbersome a bit but workede
Feb 21 14:56:11 <KotCzarny> *worked
Feb 21 14:59:29 <Sicelo> www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex0XUS6ppas
Feb 21 14:59:33 <KotCzarny> but if you scroll up, someone mentioned 2 alternative 
Feb 21 14:59:47 <Sicelo> i'm playing that flv right now in stock media player .. just fine :)
Feb 21 15:00:02 <KotCzarny> <infobot> somebody said alopex was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1329671
Feb 21 15:02:21 <KotCzarny> needs cssu-thumb apparently
Feb 21 15:15:41 <Pali> anything which use gstreamer for playback use DSP
Feb 21 15:16:01 <Pali> and I think that all versions of mplayer does not have support for video decoding on DSP
Feb 21 15:16:50 <KotCzarny> pali: ask ssvb, he was the one that hacked it
Feb 21 15:17:04 <KotCzarny> and probably the only one
Feb 21 15:19:08 <ssvb> Pali: MPplayer only used DSP for audio on Nokia 770 (hooking gstreamer in a very roundabout way)
Feb 21 15:20:08 <KotCzarny> ssvb: didn't it also hack video device?
Feb 21 15:20:18 <ssvb> no
Feb 21 15:20:34 <KotCzarny> oh, well
Feb 21 15:20:52 <Sicelo> btw, kong's videos play fine on my N900
Feb 21 15:21:19 <ssvb> KotCzarny: Nokia 770 has a very bad DSP video decoder implementation, that's why the ARM core could run circles around it :)
Feb 21 15:22:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 21 15:22:10 <ssvb> it was OK for offloading audio though
Feb 21 15:25:32 <Sicelo> if only gstreamer wasn't such a nightmare to understand :(
Feb 21 15:25:56 <KotCzarny> if you like nightmares, look at pulseaudio api
Feb 21 15:26:55 <Pali> I know some parts of PA :-(
Feb 21 15:27:54 <Pali> Sicelo: and do you think ffmpeg/libav has better api then gstreamer?
Feb 21 15:28:11 <KotCzarny> libav has better support for different codecs
Feb 21 15:28:17 <Pali> and if you are really hard hacker, look at dbus API :D:D
Feb 21 15:28:36 <Pali> even official documentation say: you do not want to use it! :D
Feb 21 15:28:45 <KotCzarny> writing own player with ffmpeg/libav is very simple
Feb 21 15:28:47 <Pali> (that C dbus api library)
Feb 21 15:29:15 <KotCzarny> pity it won't compile assembly on n800's default gcc :/
Feb 21 15:29:28 <Sicelo> well, i'm not even at the API level .. but what i meant was from a user point of view ... trying to stream N900's camera for example ... 
Feb 21 15:29:47 <Pali> there is missing application for streaming...
Feb 21 15:30:01 <Pali> and using low level gst-launch is just hack :D
Feb 21 15:34:26 <kong> there is phonestream
Feb 21 15:34:33 <kong> can stream to vlc and much other
Feb 21 15:48:24 <KotCzarny> woo, hoo, softvol is in
Feb 21 15:48:39 <KotCzarny> (f*ck the pulse audio)
Feb 21 15:49:11 <kerio> fuck the plebs
Feb 21 15:49:29 <KotCzarny> plebs?
Feb 21 15:51:55 <Luke-Jr> softvol?
Feb 21 15:52:33 <Luke-Jr> this doesn't appear to address the N900's special needs
Feb 21 15:52:55 <KotCzarny> n900 pa
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