**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 23 02:59:59 2015 Feb 23 03:12:45 is this still valid fix for bme-replacement applet? talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1436323&postcount=27 Feb 23 04:26:15 Not sure... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1436323&postcount=27 Feb 23 04:46:33 so my new external battery gets me 14 hours runtime with GPS, 3G, etc active Feb 23 04:46:47 whilest making annoying high pitch noise Feb 23 04:52:00 Where does noise come from?.. Feb 23 04:59:49 Luke-Jr: just as a general tip.... Feb 23 04:59:58 if the thing which is very happy to explode is making high pitched noises Feb 23 05:00:01 probably shouldn't be using it Feb 23 05:00:04 Oksana: dunno Feb 23 05:00:16 Tekk_: it's brand new Feb 23 05:00:28 and high pitched noises seem the norm for USB charging stuff Feb 23 05:01:50 They weren't the norm for me... When my USB port was still working. Feb 23 05:31:56 All my original Nokia chargers also made noise even when new Feb 23 05:32:17 though they're pretty quiet compared to some Asus and generic china stuff Feb 23 05:33:34 What's the declared capacity of your battery, Luke? Feb 23 05:41:42 Electricity and noise: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1704418 Feb 23 05:43:51 I think my nokia charger is a fake. My god there are so many fake chargers out there... Feb 23 05:43:54 sigh. Feb 23 05:56:48 :) Feb 23 06:10:35 ecc3g, just get a ton from Hongkong you should be fine Feb 23 06:14:12 or buy used Feb 23 06:46:18 http://i.imgur.com/4lB7jaa.png Feb 23 06:46:24 erm, wrong channel Feb 23 07:30:02 I have an LG and a pantech chargers, they work tons better than the fake Feb 23 07:30:18 dump it, use them Feb 23 07:32:29 was doing some qualitative testing on the USB chargers that I have... the LGs are rated only 700mA and they sure get 700mA. The Pantech is a 2A, and really gets 2A. The phony nokia has trouble at 300mA, and so do the fake "cube" iphone chargers. Feb 23 07:32:55 also, those knockoffs are very noisy e-m Feb 23 07:33:27 ecc3g, well the lower the charge rate the better it is for you battery Feb 23 07:33:41 unbreakable: not true with li-ion Feb 23 07:33:44 not better for my time Feb 23 07:34:16 you can use as much amps as you want, as long you keep battery temperature in line Feb 23 07:34:41 the 300mA max chargers take ungodly long to charge, and tends to even stop charging when you're using the phone... utter crap Feb 23 07:35:02 the 700mA and 2A chargers will charge the phone while using it... Feb 23 07:36:26 KotCzarny, http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries Feb 23 07:37:07 seems just as sensitive as any other battery tech Feb 23 07:38:05 if it dont make forward progress charging while the phone is being used, it's a crap charger :D Feb 23 07:38:44 ha i guess thats a good rule of thumb Feb 23 07:39:49 though if youre doing heavy stuff then the combined heat of charging and CPU activity could lower your battery's life Feb 23 07:40:09 but then again everybody throws away their phone after a couple of years anyways so Feb 23 07:40:51 i'm still using the battery that came with my n900 Feb 23 07:40:58 i'm surprised the BL5J I have in my n900 has survived this long... it has degraded but still holding on... not completely dead yet Feb 23 07:41:02 and it still has ~1290mAh Feb 23 07:41:07 6 years Feb 23 07:41:11 constant use Feb 23 07:41:22 ~1 charge cycle per week Feb 23 07:41:48 yeah thats taking care of your battery ... alot of people just plug it in every moment they can Feb 23 07:42:28 i tend to let mine fall to about 20% before charging Feb 23 07:42:41 i just usually go into 'red' Feb 23 07:43:02 often it lasts half a day Feb 23 07:43:10 once in a while i go red to calibrate the readout Feb 23 07:43:12 sometimes more than one Feb 23 07:44:15 as for that page you linked, yes, it needs intelligent charger Feb 23 07:44:33 but still, high amps at the start are not hurting it Feb 23 07:44:43 ie. quick charge to ~80% Feb 23 07:44:48 then just top off Feb 23 07:47:06 pity we can't control charge/discharge levels Feb 23 07:47:10 the current bl5j in my phone is down to about 1.04 Ah capacity... it had a former life in a 5230. now I think it's being abused in my n900... Feb 23 07:47:22 i set mine in laptop to 25% and 85% Feb 23 07:47:32 (3G/wifi is always on) Feb 23 07:48:30 battery lasts 2 days in my n900 full -> red/empty... and then it gets charged and the cycle begins once more. Feb 23 07:48:50 hmm, 3g wouldn't suck much more thant regular 2g Feb 23 07:48:52 battery abuse. but meh... Feb 23 07:48:55 but wifi.. Feb 23 07:49:09 constant beacons received wake up the device Feb 23 07:50:52 sometimes I leave BT on by mistake... but that doesnt seem as bad as leaving a network app on in the background... Feb 23 07:51:45 then again for my use, #1 battery eater: using it as a phone :D Feb 23 07:53:16 but I still find it surprising over the past 2 years after finally being able to calibrate, the battery hasn't lost much if any capacity despite the full charge-discharge cycles every 2 days or so Feb 23 07:55:18 KotCzarny, the problem with battery chargers even in that battery chemistry is non-linear and its really hard to come up with a practical model so rules of thumb based on current values & voltage are about as high tech as you need Feb 23 07:55:46 it's a 4 year old battery total now (but its first 2 years were on the less demanding 5230 nuron)... this battery should be on its last legs... Feb 23 07:58:31 technically speaking, the less time the battery stays totally full, and never gets totally empty, the battery should last a while. Feb 23 08:01:52 yeah i have my laptop set to maintain 80% and then once in a while i do a whole discharge and full charge and then trickle back to 80% Feb 23 08:02:06 i also use the battery once in a while Feb 23 08:02:27 i think the best analogy i read somewhere is that batteries are like muscles Feb 23 08:02:39 you gotta keep them busy or they just decay Feb 23 08:02:48 too much work you tear something Feb 23 08:03:19 too little work and the muscle loses its oomph Feb 23 08:08:27 well, my battery in n900 goes full charges, from full to empty (almost) Feb 23 08:08:42 still, lasts long after 6 years Feb 23 10:14:23 hello @all Feb 23 10:15:37 on fedora to search for software I do: "yum list | grep something" Feb 23 10:16:08 apt-cache search something Feb 23 10:16:09 what do I have to do on maemo to list an grep available packages? Feb 23 10:16:13 thank you! Feb 23 10:16:15 dpkg -l |grep something Feb 23 10:16:22 first for available to install Feb 23 10:16:25 second for installed Feb 23 10:18:34 and for future reference, it works on any debian based system (ubuntu etc) Feb 23 10:49:20 ~ Feb 23 10:50:03 ~flasher Feb 23 10:50:04 well, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Feb 23 11:05:00 antranigv what about 0xffff Feb 23 12:32:50 moin :) Feb 23 16:53:59 KotCzarny: re battery .. most users have found that wifi, via a properly configured AP, uses less battery than 3G. if the psm on the AP is really good, N900 will draw even less power than 2G ;) Feb 23 16:54:59 assuming your ap does psm Feb 23 16:55:35 for me enabling wif means it goes down in ~2 days Feb 23 16:55:42 most do. my ancient CWA-854, which was a low end AP, did it, and very beautifully. Feb 23 18:07:38 with battery issues don't rule out third party app settings. Feb 23 18:12:02 Sicelo: what is psm? Feb 23 18:12:59 power saving mode? Feb 23 18:13:10 https://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_power_saving_mode Feb 23 18:13:54 but as i said, it depends on the ap, and most likely network/noise Feb 23 18:24:49 oh, wow, what are the odds Feb 23 18:39:13 my only battery issue is bme-replacement not showing accurate info... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 24 02:59:58 2015