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Feb 26 07:13:27 <KotCzarny> ok, who accepts projects to garage?
Feb 26 07:55:02 <sixwheeledbeast> You need to register to upload to garage.
Feb 26 08:11:20 <KotCzarny> swb: i already have one project in garage
Feb 26 08:11:35 <KotCzarny> but apparently every new project need manual approval
Feb 26 09:38:53 <KotCzarny> hmm
Feb 26 09:39:07 <KotCzarny> +1 for active garage admins
Feb 26 09:39:17 <KotCzarny> also, i just missed great app name possibility...
Feb 26 10:31:38 <merlin1991> KotCzarny: it was me :D
Feb 26 10:32:48 <merlin1991> btw did you get an email notification when I approved the project? I don't even know if it does that ...
Feb 26 10:33:41 <KotCzarny> merlin: yeah
Feb 26 10:33:55 <KotCzarny> also, it said that it was you
Feb 26 10:34:03 <merlin1991> interesting
Feb 26 10:34:31 <KotCzarny> well, not in the email, but on project page 
Feb 26 10:34:39 <KotCzarny> https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/history.php?group_id=2392
Feb 26 10:34:40 <KotCzarny> here
Feb 26 10:35:14 <bencoh> "This project's administrator will have to grant you permission to view this page" :-)
Feb 26 10:35:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 26 10:35:36 <bencoh> secret stuff is secret ;>
Feb 26 10:35:42 <KotCzarny> but summary should be visible by anyone?
Feb 26 10:35:43 <KotCzarny> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/oscp/
Feb 26 10:35:55 <bencoh> yeah it is
Feb 26 10:37:07 <KotCzarny> now i have to remember how do i package things for release
Feb 26 10:37:39 <bencoh> there is a wiki page for that :)
Feb 26 10:37:56 <KotCzarny> nah, i have built packages for osc few years ago
Feb 26 10:38:03 <KotCzarny> i'll reuse the trees
Feb 26 10:38:45 <KotCzarny> merlin1991: why is short description mangled? it strips html yet, it ignores newlines too
Feb 26 10:39:14 <merlin1991> no idea I can look into it on the weekend
Feb 26 10:39:15 <KotCzarny> easy fix would be adding pre-formatted style for that part
Feb 26 10:39:25 <KotCzarny> shall i make a bug or just nag you?
Feb 26 10:39:35 <merlin1991> just nag me .D
Feb 26 10:39:43 <KotCzarny> i shall
Feb 26 10:39:44 <KotCzarny> ;)
Feb 26 10:40:15 <KotCzarny> not that many people read garage descriptions ;)
Feb 26 10:48:00 <supergaban> ping
Feb 26 11:02:49 <KotCzarny> is libgdbm3 installed by default on fremantle?
Feb 26 11:22:38 <Melissa_> Hello
Feb 26 11:22:56 <supergaban> hai..
Feb 26 11:35:36 <KotCzarny> lol
Feb 26 11:35:45 <KotCzarny> isn't one goodbye enough?
Feb 26 11:35:51 <KotCzarny> or did you buy another n900?
Feb 26 11:51:42 <Melissa_> KotCzarny I'm missing my n900 already :p
Feb 26 11:51:57 <Melissa_> It turned out that a lot of the issues I had with it were softwarematically
Feb 26 11:52:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 26 11:52:22 <Melissa_> After the flash, the vibration mechanism suddenly worked again, battery life was a lot longer
Feb 26 11:52:26 <KotCzarny> i would laugh if the vibra started to work after reflash
Feb 26 11:52:30 <Melissa_> It was fast enough to browse the web normally again
Feb 26 11:52:37 <Melissa_> It did!
Feb 26 11:52:40 <KotCzarny> lol
Feb 26 11:52:53 <KotCzarny> so, you sold fully functioning device?
Feb 26 11:53:05 <KotCzarny> luckily you can buy another for half price
Feb 26 11:53:17 <Melissa_> When I ran the vibration command first, I'd get an error message and I inferred from the information on the forums that it meant the mechanism broke
Feb 26 11:53:29 <Melissa_> But apparently it didin't
Feb 26 11:54:00 <Melissa_> didn't*
Feb 26 11:54:08 <Melissa_> My only issue with it is still the keyboard, but it's bearable
Feb 26 11:55:07 <KotCzarny> yeah, kb is so-so in nits
Feb 26 11:57:00 <bencoh> Melissa_: haha
Feb 26 12:21:38 <KotCzarny> fakeroot: preload library `libfakeroot-sysv.so' not found, aborting.
Feb 26 12:21:40 <KotCzarny> the heck?
Feb 26 12:44:22 <KotCzarny> o.o
Feb 26 12:51:50 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: you don't need manual approval for extras(-devel) packages. There is a voting system to promote packages to extras via extras-testing.
Feb 26 12:52:18 <KotCzarny> sixwheeledbeast: so i don't need to start with garage?
Feb 26 12:52:52 <sixwheeledbeast> If you have uploaded a package already you have a valid garage account
Feb 26 12:53:23 <KotCzarny> yes, but to create a project in garage you have to get approval for that particular project
Feb 26 13:12:39 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: Do you mean a garage project page?
Feb 26 13:12:45 <KotCzarny> yes
Feb 26 13:13:29 <sixwheeledbeast> Ah, I have never bothered with that. It's a part of garage that hardly gets used now.
Feb 26 13:13:36 <KotCzarny> hrm
Feb 26 13:13:55 <KotCzarny> maybe is misunderstood your question
Feb 26 13:14:12 <sixwheeledbeast> I would still think you can setup a page without any hassle
Feb 26 13:14:20 <sixwheeledbeast> possibly
Feb 26 13:14:22 <KotCzarny> no, not the page, whole project
Feb 26 13:14:45 <sixwheeledbeast> define project
Feb 26 13:15:28 <KotCzarny> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/oscp/
Feb 26 13:15:31 <KotCzarny> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osc/
Feb 26 13:15:40 <KotCzarny> those are two projects bound to my login on garage
Feb 26 13:16:58 <sixwheeledbeast> Right well I have packages in extras but don't have project pages for them, as I say some people don't bother with the project page at all.
Feb 26 13:17:32 <KotCzarny> i was sure that to upgrade project to extras-devel one has to have project in garage first
Feb 26 13:17:41 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: no
Feb 26 13:18:14 <sixwheeledbeast> You need a bugtracker link which many point to TMO now.
Feb 26 13:20:58 <sixwheeledbeast> Your method was the correct way 5+ years ago and still is. People do other thinks now, links to github or TMO. Mainly due to Garage downtime at migration from Nokia.
Feb 26 13:20:59 <KotCzarny> anyway, deb is ready, now i have to remember how to upload it and put in extras-devel
Feb 26 13:21:59 <sixwheeledbeast> you can upload using extras-assistant or scp, scp you will need to setup keys in garage if you haven't allready
Feb 26 13:23:51 <sixwheeledbeast> there's a wiki page with all the details on WMO.
Feb 26 13:24:10 <sixwheeledbeast> "Uploading to extras" I beleive the page is called
Feb 26 13:24:30 <KotCzarny> checking the package for any breakage first
Feb 26 13:24:45 <KotCzarny> btw. is there a way to add icon to desktop on install?
Feb 26 13:25:04 <KotCzarny> or some system prompter that would do it?
Feb 26 13:26:03 <sixwheeledbeast> Not that I know off, you could maybe script in a postinst file but I would find adding an icon automatically annoying myself.
Feb 26 13:28:03 <KotCzarny> i know, that's why i ask about proper way
Feb 26 13:28:11 <KotCzarny> on n800 there was a prompt to add to menu
Feb 26 13:31:04 <sixwheeledbeast> never used an N800, on N900 it is added to the applications list menu. If you want it on the desktop you can add a desktop shortcut yourself.
Feb 26 13:34:59 <KotCzarny> ok
Feb 26 13:35:05 <KotCzarny> upped to extras-devel non-free
Feb 26 13:35:11 <KotCzarny> will i get any notification?
Feb 26 13:39:26 <KotCzarny> Server Error
Feb 26 13:39:28 <KotCzarny>  Package oscp can not be found in packages. Lookup in Provides failed too.
Feb 26 13:45:45 <bencoh> I think it takes "some time"
Feb 26 13:45:52 <bencoh> but I'm not sure/dont remember :)
Feb 26 13:46:04 <KotCzarny> any feedback from the tools wouldn't be bad
Feb 26 13:46:25 <KotCzarny> upped the .deb with scp
Feb 26 14:00:50 <KotCzarny> ok, anyone able to look at uploader queue possible errors?
Feb 26 14:04:06 <zGrr> moin :)
Feb 26 14:25:07 <KotCzarny> i think autobuilder runs every 10 minutes
Feb 26 14:25:25 <KotCzarny> and i upped deb more than 30 minutes ago
Feb 26 14:25:37 <KotCzarny> shall i wait more before trying anything else?
Feb 26 14:37:15 <drathir> KotCzarny: i guess it depends on packages in queue...
Feb 26 14:37:36 <KotCzarny> drathir: can i check it somehow?
Feb 26 14:38:58 <drathir> KotCzarny: honestly not sure if queue is publically shared...
Feb 26 14:41:30 <KotCzarny> builder seems idling
Feb 26 14:41:39 <KotCzarny> last package built yesterday
Feb 26 14:42:02 <KotCzarny> and i bet even less traffic in non-free
Feb 26 14:42:30 <KotCzarny> merlin1991: ping
Feb 26 15:19:44 <erlehmann> anyone has an idea how i can get a rell compose key?
Feb 26 15:20:34 <Sicelo> a what?
Feb 26 15:21:39 <erlehmann> Sicelo a real compose key
Feb 26 15:21:45 <erlehmann> Sicelo it seems multi_key opens a dialogue
Feb 26 15:21:50 <erlehmann> for charakters
Feb 26 15:21:57 <erlehmann> but i want real compose behaviour
Feb 26 15:22:53 <erlehmann> Sicelo i found out when i remapped multi_key
Feb 26 15:34:25 <KotCzarny> erlehmann: maybe it's stolen in maemo
Feb 26 15:34:37 <erlehmann> KotCzarny explain!
Feb 26 15:34:54 <KotCzarny> you've said it opens menu
Feb 26 15:35:48 <erlehmann> yes
Feb 26 15:36:28 <erlehmann> how can i unsteal it
Feb 26 15:36:31 <erlehmann> steal it back
Feb 26 15:36:33 <erlehmann> i want composings
Feb 26 15:37:17 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40806
Feb 26 15:38:15 <erlehmann> > The "Compose" key is defined in the rx-51 kbd configuration as "Fn + Ctrl". But that presently triggers the supplementary virtual keyboard...
Feb 26 15:38:17 <erlehmann> that is it
Feb 26 15:38:30 <KotCzarny> apparently typing fn-left then e gets e'
Feb 26 15:39:29 <bencoh> erlehmann: I use dead chars instead of composing
Feb 26 15:39:34 <APic> Herr Lehmann!  ♥
Feb 26 15:39:43 <erlehmann> bencoh i have made unifont
Feb 26 15:39:46 <bencoh> but if you really want a compose key, remap <LCTL>
Feb 26 15:39:50 <erlehmann> i mean
Feb 26 15:39:53 <erlehmann> i made unifont glyphs
Feb 26 15:40:00 <erlehmann> and use unifont on n900
Feb 26 15:40:06 <erlehmann> so i can send elephants and shit
Feb 26 15:40:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 26 15:40:57 <bencoh> erlehmann: {shift,fn}+LCTL is currently mapped to Multi_key
Feb 26 15:41:06 <erlehmann> bencoh yeah
Feb 26 15:41:07 <erlehmann> i know
Feb 26 15:41:13 <bencoh> just change that part :)
Feb 26 15:41:14 <erlehmann> bencoh but that triggers the overlay
Feb 26 15:41:23 <erlehmann> i mapped other keys to multi_key
Feb 26 15:41:27 <erlehmann> and it triggered the overlay then
Feb 26 15:41:29 <erlehmann> no composing possible
Feb 26 15:41:51 <bencoh> it should be the other way around
Feb 26 15:41:54 <erlehmann> 🐇🐈🐉🐊🐋🐌🐍🐎🐏🐐🐑🐒🐓🐔🐕🐖🐗🐘🐙
Feb 26 15:41:56 <bencoh> change the LCTL mapping
Feb 26 15:42:00 <erlehmann> explain
Feb 26 15:42:11 <erlehmann> please
Feb 26 15:42:23 <erlehmann> what exactly should i map if i want a compose key?
Feb 26 15:43:32 <bencoh> LCTL shouldnt map to Multi_key, so just map it to something else ... Menu, for instance
Feb 26 15:43:48 <bencoh> then define a compose key (to the mapped key you just defined)
Feb 26 15:43:54 <bencoh> (eg Menu in my example)
Feb 26 15:45:03 <erlehmann> bencoh i do not explain. i thought multi_key is the compose thing.
Feb 26 15:45:10 <erlehmann> so i mapped shift+fn+a to multi_key
Feb 26 15:45:16 <erlehmann> and it still triggered the overlay
Feb 26 15:45:26 <bencoh> multi_key is not a compose key
Feb 26 15:45:45 <erlehmann> oh okay
Feb 26 15:45:50 <erlehmann> i am of stupid it seems
Feb 26 15:46:06 <bencoh> well, maybe setxkbmap -option compose:Multi_Key would define it as a compose key
Feb 26 15:46:07 <erlehmann> i thought xmodmap, multi_!ey …
Feb 26 15:46:12 <erlehmann> i see
Feb 26 15:46:52 <erlehmann> nope
Feb 26 15:46:54 <erlehmann> it does not
Feb 26 15:47:09 <APic> bencoh: What the Heck is Multi_key then, if not Compose?
Feb 26 15:47:48 <bencoh> APic: it becomes a Compose key if you ask Xorg to use it as one :)
Feb 26 15:48:54 <bencoh> (it might be default on standard desktop conf, but either it's not on maemo, or hildon grabs it
Feb 26 15:49:06 <APic> Ok
Feb 26 15:49:08 <APic> Good
Feb 26 15:49:11 <APic> Thank You.
Feb 26 15:49:57 <bencoh> hmm, actually, looks like it is, I can compose stuff with it in xterm :)
Feb 26 15:50:19 <erlehmann> bencoh oh indeed?
Feb 26 15:50:28 <erlehmann> i cannot
Feb 26 15:50:33 <erlehmann> what is different with you
Feb 26 15:50:54 <bencoh> real xterm, not osso-xterm ;)
Feb 26 15:51:04 <erlehmann> i seeee
Feb 26 15:51:04 <KotCzarny> yeah, apps that dont use hildon
Feb 26 15:51:06 <bencoh> it's not a gtk application
Feb 26 15:51:11 <erlehmann> so where do i get real xterm
Feb 26 15:51:13 <bencoh> (gtk/hildon/qt/whatever)
Feb 26 15:51:51 <KotCzarny> i remember my virtual keyboard triggered showing maemo on-screen-keyboard when i hit 'enter'
Feb 26 15:51:56 <erlehmann> i see
Feb 26 15:52:00 <erlehmann> how do disable hildon
Feb 26 15:52:05 <KotCzarny> you dont
Feb 26 15:52:11 <KotCzarny> or you install debian
Feb 26 15:52:17 <erlehmann> i have
Feb 26 15:52:23 <bencoh> erlehmann: that's why I told you to remap LCTL to something else :)
Feb 26 15:52:36 <erlehmann> bencoh but then i have no LCTL
Feb 26 15:52:40 <erlehmann> so hildon grabs LCTL
Feb 26 15:52:42 <erlehmann> right?
Feb 26 15:52:47 <erlehmann> fn+ctrl triggers overlay
Feb 26 15:53:35 <bencoh> I think hildon grabs Multi_key, but I'm not sure
Feb 26 15:54:07 <bencoh> Multi_Key being fn+ctrl, as defined in rx-51
Feb 26 15:54:24 <KotCzarny> erlehmann: if you only need compose to enter language specific chars, i suggest mapping those chars to unused spaces
Feb 26 15:54:33 <erlehmann> i install xterm now
Feb 26 15:54:38 <merlin1991> KotCzarny: pong, but freemangordon is better acquainted with the builder than me
Feb 26 15:55:17 <KotCzarny> merlin1991: i tried to up the .deb to non-free in extras-devel, is .changes mandatory ?
Feb 26 15:55:33 <merlin1991> iirc .changes triggers the import
Feb 26 15:55:38 <KotCzarny> ahm
Feb 26 15:55:52 <KotCzarny> and then, if i reup .deb with the same name, will it be replaced?
Feb 26 15:55:57 <KotCzarny> or just ignored?
Feb 26 15:56:22 <merlin1991> I think if you don't bump the version the builder goes mad
Feb 26 15:56:56 <KotCzarny> i hate it. version string is in so many places
Feb 26 15:57:04 <merlin1991> huh?
Feb 26 15:57:13 <KotCzarny> in debian/ dir
Feb 26 15:57:21 <merlin1991> it's only once in debian/changelog
Feb 26 15:57:30 <merlin1991> the rest should be done by dpkg-buildpackage for you
Feb 26 15:57:36 <KotCzarny> hmm
Feb 26 15:57:39 <KotCzarny> nice to know
Feb 26 15:57:50 <KotCzarny> right now i'm waiting for the initial import
Feb 26 15:58:03 <KotCzarny> 3 more minutes
Feb 26 15:58:35 <KotCzarny> pity i have no feedback from the uploader script in repository
Feb 26 16:00:48 <KotCzarny> hrm
Feb 26 16:01:16 <KotCzarny> unless clock on repository.maemo.org is wrong, package didn't show up
Feb 26 16:01:20 <KotCzarny> :/
Feb 26 16:02:34 <KotCzarny> merlin1991: can you help me somehow? do you have access to the logs or something?
Feb 26 16:13:02 <bencoh> erlehmann: compose doesnt really work properly in my setup anyway (this could be because I'm using latches, but I'm not sure)
Feb 26 16:13:27 <erlehmann> ._.
Feb 26 16:13:28 <bencoh> I cant compose characters entered with shift for instance
Feb 26 16:13:28 <erlehmann> latches?
Feb 26 16:13:39 <bencoh> ISO_Level2_Latch / ISO_Level3_Latch
Feb 26 16:13:41 <bencoh> xkb latches
Feb 26 16:15:09 <bencoh> allows me to mimic the way shift/fn work in hildon (you dont need to keep fn/shift pressed to get alternate char)
Feb 26 16:15:46 <merlin1991> KotCzarny: I'll have a look
Feb 26 16:18:53 <KotCzarny> merlin1991: much obliged
Feb 26 16:19:15 <merlin1991> by the way where exactly did you upload to and what was the package name?
Feb 26 16:20:08 <KotCzarny> oscp_0.9.7_armel.deb
Feb 26 16:20:15 <KotCzarny> to extras-devel non-free
Feb 26 16:20:41 <merlin1991> no I mean the exact upload path to drop.maemo
Feb 26 16:21:14 <KotCzarny> scp oscp_0.9.7.dsc oscp_0.9.7_armel.changes oscp_0.9.7_armel.deb kotczarny@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/e
Feb 26 16:21:15 <KotCzarny> xtras-devel/incoming-nonfree/fremantle/
Feb 26 16:22:20 <merlin1991> okay at least the file is not there anymore
Feb 26 16:23:02 <KotCzarny> so, any errors or it will show in ~40 minutes?
Feb 26 16:23:35 <merlin1991> but it's not in staging, so I'll go dig up the logs ...
Feb 26 16:23:42 <KotCzarny> thx
Feb 26 16:23:52 <merlin1991> one potential problem is
Feb 26 16:24:03 <merlin1991> you had .changes first on your command line
Feb 26 16:24:15 <merlin1991> it has to go up last
Feb 26 16:24:30 <merlin1991> but iirc the import runs every 5 mins or so, hence you mus have been quite unlucky
Feb 26 16:24:32 <KotCzarny> is .dsc required as well?
Feb 26 16:24:45 <merlin1991> if it is refrenced in the .changes file yes
Feb 26 16:25:11 <KotCzarny> k, upped
Feb 26 16:25:51 <merlin1991> heh this is going to fail
Feb 26 16:26:02 <merlin1991> 14f382a19a7b0b2f23e5c0a08cdbff85 2272502 user/multimedia extra oscp_0.9.7.tar.gz is part of your .changes
Feb 26 16:26:11 <KotCzarny> hrm
Feb 26 16:26:15 <merlin1991> you need to build with dpkg-buildpackage -b so it does not do a source build
Feb 26 16:26:18 <merlin1991> but binary only
Feb 26 16:26:24 <KotCzarny> ahm
Feb 26 16:28:06 <KotCzarny> reupped
Feb 26 16:29:55 <KotCzarny> merlin1991: really good idea would be to send error logs to the developer on failed imports
Feb 26 16:30:05 <KotCzarny> otherwise it's just stabbing in the dark
Feb 26 16:30:14 <merlin1991> heh tell me about it
Feb 26 16:30:27 <KotCzarny> so, anything changed now?
Feb 26 16:31:03 <merlin1991> yeah I don't see the files in the dir, even though the import didn't run yet
Feb 26 16:32:49 <merlin1991> ah wait it did run
Feb 26 16:34:06 <merlin1991> Checking .changes file...
Feb 26 16:34:06 <merlin1991>   oscp_0.9.7_armel.deb ok
Feb 26 16:34:06 <merlin1991> oscp_0.9.7_armel.changes file OK
Feb 26 16:34:06 <merlin1991> Rejecting oscp_0.9.7_armel.changes
Feb 26 16:34:11 <merlin1991> something wrong about your .changes
Feb 26 16:34:15 <merlin1991> I don't have any further info
Feb 26 16:34:58 <KotCzarny> hmm
Feb 26 16:36:18 <KotCzarny> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tWEJ3ep8
Feb 26 16:36:26 <KotCzarny> this is the contents
Feb 26 16:39:14 <merlin1991> hm no idea what exactly the import dislikes about it
Feb 26 16:39:36 <KotCzarny> i'll try to trim it somehwat
Feb 26 16:39:38 <merlin1991> you could try setting up a local reprepro package archive, reprepro usually gives quite descriptive error messages
Feb 26 16:40:21 <KotCzarny> reupped trimmed file, can you check if it went through?
Feb 26 16:41:32 <merlin1991> went through
Feb 26 16:41:35 <merlin1991> what did you trim?
Feb 26 16:41:36 <KotCzarny> woo-hoo!
Feb 26 16:41:53 <merlin1991> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/o/oscp/
Feb 26 16:41:58 <KotCzarny> in debian/control there is XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name:
Feb 26 16:42:11 <KotCzarny> which was described as 'that shows to the users on install prompt'
Feb 26 16:42:21 <KotCzarny> thought it's multiline decription
Feb 26 16:42:25 <KotCzarny> apparently it's now
Feb 26 16:42:27 <KotCzarny> *not
Feb 26 16:43:11 <merlin1991> XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name is just the name in ham
Feb 26 16:45:45 <merlin1991> ie openmediaplayer has "Maemo-Display-Name: Open Media Player"
Feb 26 16:46:00 <merlin1991> it's what you see in the programm manager application list
Feb 26 16:46:12 <merlin1991> the actual description is taken from description (which is multiline)
Feb 26 16:46:25 <KotCzarny> ok, thanks a lot
Feb 26 16:46:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 26 16:47:46 <KotCzarny> next step, betatesting and promoting to extras!
Feb 26 16:50:59 <merlin1991> yeah next step use autobuilder and get aways from the non-free ;)
Feb 26 16:51:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 26 16:51:21 <bencoh> +1
Feb 26 16:51:22 <KotCzarny> merlin, that would be harder
Feb 26 16:51:30 <merlin1991> how come?
Feb 26 16:51:31 <KotCzarny> as i patch few libs to do what i need
Feb 26 16:51:46 <KotCzarny> so i would need to upload them too and make them buildable
Feb 26 16:51:59 <merlin1991> where's the problem with that? :D
Feb 26 16:52:12 <KotCzarny> hem, i hate redundancy :)
Feb 26 16:52:25 <merlin1991> btw how do you deploy the modified libs now then?
Feb 26 16:52:29 <KotCzarny> that's why i figured out how to drop all the deps
Feb 26 16:52:44 <KotCzarny> libxmp.a
Feb 26 16:52:45 <KotCzarny> etc
Feb 26 16:53:19 <KotCzarny> so even if i use ~10 additional media libs, i only actually need system deps
Feb 26 16:53:38 <merlin1991> so statically linked, then just do it like vlc and have everything in your source tree ;)
Feb 26 16:54:17 <KotCzarny> still, i invite you to test oscp
Feb 26 16:54:31 <KotCzarny> you could be positively surprised
Feb 26 16:55:14 <KotCzarny> it can act as standalone player for n900, or you can install oscp-core on htpc or n800 near your hifi setup and use n900 as a remote
Feb 26 17:01:13 <Sicelo> oscp is non-free?
Feb 26 17:01:22 <KotCzarny> non-free in the sense no source
Feb 26 17:01:28 <KotCzarny> otherwise free 
Feb 26 17:01:38 <Sicelo> hmm
Feb 26 17:01:51 <KotCzarny> the source is on sourceforge
Feb 26 17:02:31 <KotCzarny> i just shrugged at the idea of having to do as merlin said
Feb 26 17:02:46 <KotCzarny> would have to setup/upload megs everytime
Feb 26 17:02:58 <KotCzarny> tens of megs
Feb 26 17:06:35 <KotCzarny> and if you have any feedback, please drop it there: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
Feb 26 17:08:55 <KotCzarny> right now my n800 is sitting on top of the stereo and playing flacs from dir mounted via sshfs from the computer i have at another place, and is controlled from the other side of the room from a laptop and/or n900
Feb 26 17:10:41 <KotCzarny> i wonder if there is pygtk for iphone
Feb 26 17:16:26 <zGrr> which player do you use?
Feb 26 17:16:52 <KotCzarny> oscp
Feb 26 17:17:13 <KotCzarny> and if you ask which libs i embedded see the talk.maemo.org page i pasted
Feb 26 17:17:41 <zGrr> so it is console player. I mean no gui
Feb 26 17:17:58 <KotCzarny> not entirely true
Feb 26 17:18:01 <KotCzarny> there is gui
Feb 26 17:18:03 <zGrr> i see
Feb 26 17:18:13 <KotCzarny> but core is ncurses or daemonized
Feb 26 17:18:32 <KotCzarny> gui is written in pygtk now
Feb 26 17:18:40 <KotCzarny> but you can even use telnet to control core
Feb 26 17:18:40 <zGrr> I have to give it a try
Feb 26 17:19:02 <KotCzarny> for keys see mentioned tmo page
Feb 26 17:19:08 <zGrr> didn't touch my n810 for some time
Feb 26 17:19:35 <KotCzarny> for n8x0 i havent' build .deb yet, but you can grab binary from sourceforge
Feb 26 17:19:54 <zGrr> great
Feb 26 17:20:40 <KotCzarny> and pygtk gui works on all platforms (n8x0/n900/pc)
Feb 26 17:20:55 <bencoh> KotCzarny: why did you need to patch your deps ?
Feb 26 17:21:17 <KotCzarny> bencoh: quick example, sid2-libs is c++ only, i had to add c-bindings
Feb 26 17:24:51 <KotCzarny> btw. do fremantle apps work on n9/jolla etc?
Feb 26 17:26:35 <bencoh> hm ... not really
Feb 26 17:28:01 <KotCzarny> eh, all you can grumble about m$ windows, win95 apps mostly work even on latest incarnations
Feb 26 17:29:52 <bencoh> hmm, looks like HtheB had something working at some point
Feb 26 17:29:58 <bencoh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX6axn-Id_E
Feb 26 17:30:25 <KotCzarny> qemu maybe
Feb 26 17:32:04 <bencoh> I doubt that
Feb 26 17:32:29 <KotCzarny> chroot Maemo 5 PR1.3 
Feb 26 17:32:33 <bencoh> probably
Feb 26 17:32:34 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84987
Feb 26 17:33:21 <KotCzarny> Due to the chroot using the Harmattan dbus, and the fact that Maemo relies heavily on dbus to work I think it's futile to try to make hildon-desktop work from within the chroot
Feb 26 17:33:21 <KotCzarny> hehe
Feb 26 17:34:02 <KotCzarny> right. they made it too complcated so the next os iteration couldn't run
Feb 26 17:35:00 <bencoh> it's not the same project ... not even the same team
Feb 26 17:35:19 <KotCzarny> that's why it sucks product-line wise
Feb 26 17:35:47 <KotCzarny> similar thing happening on android
Feb 26 17:35:56 <KotCzarny> 2.3.5? too bad chump
Feb 26 17:36:06 <KotCzarny> </rant>
Feb 26 17:40:27 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: the build cauldron is here https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/ BTW. This is where I get my autobuilder debug info from. Doesn't seem to have non-free packages there tho.
Feb 26 17:41:07 <KotCzarny> swb: but it's only for builder (ie. free)
Feb 26 17:41:16 <KotCzarny> non-free don't go through builder
Feb 26 17:41:45 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: oh; now that's cool :)
Feb 26 17:41:47 <sixwheeledbeast> yes. I spotted your uploading to non-free so binary only.
Feb 26 17:42:08 <KotCzarny> those mails should go to the project owners tho
Feb 26 17:42:19 <KotCzarny> at least via cc
Feb 26 17:42:49 <sixwheeledbeast> A long time ago I believe they did, pre-Maemo migration that I spoke about earlier.
Feb 26 17:48:18 <KotCzarny> i wonder if i can drag-scroll lists in pygtk
Feb 26 20:53:41 <KotCzarny> anyone knows if nokia ca-100 has any electronics inside or is just an ovepriced dump cable?
Feb 26 21:01:42 <Sicelo> not sure if it is the gnuine nokia one, but http://forum.mobiset.ru/viewtopic.php?t=13086 .. see the pic
Feb 26 21:06:46 <Sicelo> protection circuitry for USB
Feb 26 21:38:04 <zed2k> hi
Feb 26 21:38:43 <zed2k> is  Ovekaaven, the developer of the syncevolution port,  here on IRC by any chance?
Feb 26 21:39:07 <zed2k>  that guy -> https://openrepos.net/users/ovekaaven
Feb 26 21:52:41 <zed2k> nevermind. thanks
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