**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 27 02:59:58 2015 Feb 27 06:22:28 sicelo: thx a lot, just wanted to make sure it's not dumb cable Feb 27 07:21:48 moin :) Feb 27 08:00:19 zgrr: hello Feb 27 08:05:51 hi KotCzarny :) Feb 27 08:06:11 have you tried oscp yet? Feb 27 08:06:24 nope Feb 27 08:06:37 I have very little time to spare to my toys. Feb 27 08:06:44 do you use any audio player usually? Feb 27 08:07:00 Panucci. Feb 27 08:07:29 and you play music only on n900? Feb 27 08:07:34 it's very well suited to audiobooks and the podcasts. Not very good for the music. Feb 27 08:07:47 At the moment, yes. Feb 27 08:07:53 It's my primary phone. Feb 27 08:08:38 I gave up on N9. Never liked it. I think it was badly designed. Feb 27 08:08:44 :) Feb 27 08:09:32 I still have some hope for the Neo900 Feb 27 08:09:56 neo900 is gonna be too pricy too me Feb 27 08:10:11 yes it will. Feb 27 08:10:17 and they aren't big corpo to promote developers :/ Feb 27 08:11:25 do not expect MBA morons, who rule corpo world to be capable of understanding these things at all. Feb 27 08:12:09 still, nokia gave out a bunch of devices to devs Feb 27 08:12:51 nokia ceased to exist long ago. Feb 27 08:12:56 that's true Feb 27 08:13:04 i'm talking about pre 2010 nokia Feb 27 08:13:17 do you mean n950? Feb 27 08:13:23 that too Feb 27 08:13:34 they were sending earlier models to devs too Feb 27 08:14:51 I have read, that the N950 was supposed to be mass produced cheap smartphone designed for users in developing countries. Feb 27 08:15:04 ['] Feb 27 08:15:10 rip n950 Feb 27 08:15:16 It was great concept in my opinion. it's a shame that it failed. Feb 27 08:15:31 actually it didn't fail Feb 27 08:15:35 it was assasinated. Feb 27 08:17:38 zGrr: no, N950 was never to be a cheap smartphone. you're likely mixing it up with Meltemi OS, which fits your description Feb 27 08:18:23 cheaper than N9? Feb 27 08:19:27 nokia asha is the successor of meltemi os Feb 27 08:19:55 and to think whole line could have had linux :/ Feb 27 08:20:13 Meltemi? yes zGrr. seems that was the plan Feb 27 08:20:25 N950 is just an early N9 :) Feb 27 08:20:58 which of course is a great device because of the HW-kbd Feb 27 08:21:10 english wikipedia doesnt even had an entry on meltemi Feb 27 08:21:15 http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltemi_%28system_operacyjny%29 Feb 27 08:21:16 and the resistive touchscreen Feb 27 08:21:18 polish one has Feb 27 08:23:29 tmo has a thread on it Feb 27 08:23:36 ... and the "simplified" Chinese one. Feb 27 08:25:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_X_platform Feb 27 08:25:22 nice, nokia flavour of android Feb 27 08:25:29 * KotCzarny shrugs Feb 27 08:25:35 at least this one died Feb 27 08:26:08 i wouldn't call _any_ flavour of nice. Feb 27 08:26:25 yeah, should've wrote 'nice' Feb 27 08:34:27 i wonder if anyone has hacked the N1 tablet yet.. Feb 27 08:34:49 or even the Nokia X's Feb 27 10:22:02 so, i would like my package promoted to extras Feb 27 10:22:06 what i do? Feb 27 10:22:23 ask people to vote for it to be promoted :) Feb 27 10:22:35 bencoh, would you vote? Feb 27 10:22:36 :) Feb 27 10:23:00 https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#Promoting_packages_to_extras-testing Feb 27 10:23:11 I haven't tested it, since it's non-free/binary-only ;) Feb 27 10:23:46 you need to promote to extra-testing first, and for that you should check a few things first Feb 27 10:24:43 looking at the list at '[edit] Promotion checks' it checks out Feb 27 10:25:08 that's automatic, see the next section Feb 27 10:26:56 i think that also checks out Feb 27 10:30:39 Pali kknows a way to 'self-promote? ... not sure if that is time-based Feb 27 10:32:02 hmm, it complains that i have no bugtracker link, but it is in control file Feb 27 10:32:20 Bugtracker: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?group_id=2392 Feb 27 10:32:28 unless name is different for maemo? Feb 27 10:43:06 Sicelo: self-promote to extras ? Feb 27 10:50:52 something like that, yes Feb 27 10:53:53 or is it to extras-testing ... not too sure Feb 27 11:02:31 merlin1991: ping Feb 27 12:32:13 hmm Feb 27 12:32:38 according to some other page there should be a 'promote' button: Feb 27 12:32:40 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/oscp/0.9.7-2/ Feb 27 12:32:47 but there isn't any Feb 27 13:20:54 you are not the maintainer of your own package :3 Feb 27 13:21:00 O.o Feb 27 13:21:03 lol? Feb 27 13:21:31 Promotion checks: Promoting person is maintainer for the package Feb 27 13:21:41 o.O Feb 27 15:23:46 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Feb 27 16:02:21 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Feb 27 16:13:38 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Feb 27 18:04:29 /var/lib Feb 27 18:04:38 cant i bind this to another directory? Feb 27 18:04:43 ln -sf Feb 27 18:07:08 but it's not recommended Feb 27 18:07:14 why not Feb 27 18:07:23 as some mounts aren't available early in boot Feb 27 18:07:28 specifically /var/lib/dpkg Feb 27 18:07:35 and thats my question Feb 27 18:07:40 the boot thing Feb 27 18:08:15 i want to move var/lib/dpkg to /dev/mmcblk0p2 Feb 27 18:08:26 its hoggin 34mb on / Feb 27 18:08:28 not cool Feb 27 18:08:31 isn't that already optified? Feb 27 18:08:39 at least on n800 Feb 27 18:08:44 haven't checked n900 Feb 27 18:09:07 but dpkg/apt stuff is safe to move and symlink Feb 27 18:10:22 right but /var/lib Feb 27 18:10:27 would like to move it as a whole =) Feb 27 18:10:40 i wouldn't move it without checking /etc first Feb 27 18:10:56 or doing mmc boot Feb 27 18:11:21 cant do mmc boot Feb 27 18:11:23 sd card dead Feb 27 18:11:29 i/o jacked up Feb 27 18:11:33 o.o Feb 27 18:11:42 internal? Feb 27 18:11:52 yea Feb 27 18:11:56 o.O Feb 27 18:12:14 why don't you just empty that directory Feb 27 18:12:17 what did you do to the poor thing Feb 27 18:12:27 sicelo: bad idea Feb 27 18:12:29 Sicelo: it's essential to apt-get is it not? Feb 27 18:12:46 Nokia-N900:/var/lib# du -h | tail -n 1 Feb 27 18:12:46 34.5M . Feb 27 18:12:52 thats a lot of space Feb 27 18:12:57 it's not the pkg cache Feb 27 18:13:01 don't you have debs in there? Feb 27 18:13:02 its info about what's installed etc Feb 27 18:13:03 ah Feb 27 18:13:09 sicelo: apt has cache on mmc Feb 27 18:13:26 its how u would do Feb 27 18:13:31 dpkg -S Feb 27 18:13:34 etc... Feb 27 18:13:47 i'm just wondering if i can rbind it at boot to mmcblk0p2 Feb 27 18:13:51 and save space Feb 27 18:14:31 specifically i'd like to move /var/lib to mmcblk0p2 Feb 27 18:14:38 considering it holds gems and crap Feb 27 18:15:03 i guess one way to find out... Feb 27 18:15:05 =/ Feb 27 18:16:15 :) Feb 27 18:16:25 leonard nimoy (spock) is dead Feb 27 18:16:27 :/ Feb 27 18:16:33 Hes dead jim! Feb 27 18:16:34 DEAD Feb 27 18:16:48 \\// Feb 27 18:17:05 hmm Feb 27 18:17:07 var and lib Feb 27 18:17:12 i'd like to move em both Feb 27 18:17:21 prepare to reflash and go Feb 27 18:17:27 meh Feb 27 18:17:33 gunna wait till my friend answers me Feb 27 18:17:35 hes smart =) Feb 27 18:17:37 hehe Feb 27 18:17:40 i tell you Feb 27 18:17:44 ? Feb 27 18:17:46 /var has importants Feb 27 18:17:53 don't touch it Feb 27 18:18:13 right Feb 27 18:18:13 but /var/lib Feb 27 18:18:19 or at least /var/lib/dpkg Feb 27 18:18:31 i told you, you can move /var/lib/dpkg and symlink it Feb 27 18:18:41 it's safe Feb 27 18:18:41 Ah Feb 27 18:18:42 k Feb 27 18:18:44 great Feb 27 18:18:45 ! Feb 27 18:18:47 and /lbi? Feb 27 18:18:53 don't Feb 27 18:18:53 prolly not? Feb 27 18:18:57 =( Feb 27 18:18:58 ok Feb 27 18:19:00 hey thats 34mb! Feb 27 18:19:04 big boost Feb 27 18:19:36 you can also move /usr/local Feb 27 18:19:44 unless it's already optified Feb 27 18:19:59 some packages badly put stuff there Feb 27 18:20:20 and if you have installed gcc on the device you can move /usr/lib/gcc Feb 27 18:21:07 i've moved all of /usr =) Feb 27 18:21:16 no, you didnt Feb 27 18:21:17 :P Feb 27 18:21:35 I did Feb 27 18:21:36 http://termbin.com/3uzq Feb 27 18:21:41 And i also dont optify Feb 27 18:21:48 pymaemo-optify is an empty deb for me Feb 27 18:21:50 did it boot after that? Feb 27 18:21:55 just fine Feb 27 18:21:58 snappy too Feb 27 18:22:00 :) Feb 27 18:22:17 you sure not placebo effect? Feb 27 18:22:28 no Feb 27 18:22:29 sicelo: it's possible that it's faster Feb 27 18:22:32 My n900 is very snappy Feb 27 18:22:34 2 different devices Feb 27 18:22:41 instead of one internal flash Feb 27 18:22:42 Thats true too Feb 27 18:22:47 ^ Feb 27 18:23:00 I recommend my way over any cssu way any day of the week Feb 27 18:23:05 hehe Feb 27 18:23:07 minus the tweaks for cssu Feb 27 18:23:17 as long some smartass don't break your system Feb 27 18:23:30 *doesn't Feb 27 18:23:31 http://ethicalreporting.org/pwn Feb 27 18:23:39 pwnphone v3 =) Feb 27 18:23:41 Enjoy Feb 27 18:23:45 You'll thank me for it Feb 27 18:23:57 nah, i'm good Feb 27 18:24:08 Nokia-N900:/var/lib/dpkg# bash --version Feb 27 18:24:09 GNU bash, version 4.3.33(1)-release (armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi) Feb 27 18:24:11 * stryngs flexes Feb 27 18:25:36 heh Feb 27 18:25:39 I have /lib done too Feb 27 18:25:41 didnt know that Feb 27 18:26:40 alright KotCzarny, attempting var/lib/dpkg freedom Feb 27 18:27:06 i think i have moved dpkg/apt dirs long time ago Feb 27 18:50:15 did bash finally get updated in the repo for shellshock? Feb 27 18:50:24 does it matter? Feb 27 18:50:36 maemo most likely has more holes than shellshock Feb 27 18:51:21 it shows a sign of the liveliness of maemo community and willingness to fix bugs regardless of perceived importance. Feb 27 18:51:42 not fixed for a month, fine. Not fixed ever... this is sad. Feb 27 18:52:07 i treat n900 as a personal media player with phone feature Feb 27 18:52:32 even 1024x768 is too small to browse web nowadays Feb 27 18:57:15 i updated bash ecc3g Feb 27 18:57:26 if u want the deb u can grab it from my repo Feb 27 18:57:35 or build yourself Feb 27 18:57:43 that's the beauty of n8x0/n900 Feb 27 18:57:44 i treat the n900 as a shell in my pocket Feb 27 18:57:51 i want to fix ghost Feb 27 18:57:56 just havent gotten around to it Feb 27 18:58:10 and yeah the screen size sucks Feb 27 18:58:12 hence, ssh Feb 27 18:58:18 its shell in jy pocket=) Feb 27 18:59:02 well as the reasons already said, it doesn't really matter, heck I don't even use bash... but having the repo modified means a lot... Feb 27 18:59:21 yep Feb 27 18:59:27 I will always have an n900 Feb 27 18:59:30 and im always tinkering Feb 27 18:59:35 or even better, remove it from the repo... Feb 27 18:59:39 that's what Gentoo does... hah. Feb 27 19:00:00 TO date, i've built 77 .debs for it =) Feb 27 19:00:02 but leaving known buggy software there... that's just not right. Feb 27 19:00:45 i agree Feb 27 19:00:47 stryngs: as i said, that's the beauty of this device Feb 27 19:00:52 you can fix it yourself Feb 27 19:01:17 true Feb 27 19:01:21 but if people dont share the work Feb 27 19:01:26 it defeats the community concept Feb 27 19:01:31 everything you can fix yourself, but it reflects poorly on the community that these repos not modified Feb 27 19:01:39 ^^ Feb 27 19:01:44 ecc3g: what about android devices stuck with 2.x ? Feb 27 19:01:47 etc? Feb 27 19:01:54 they suffer the same problem. Feb 27 19:02:00 you have no chance to fix them Feb 27 19:02:11 but u can fix bash on maemo is what hes sayiong Feb 27 19:02:14 they are often locked to prevent modifying Feb 27 19:02:15 i did.. Feb 27 19:02:29 the reason i dont push to the maemo archives is because of my build technique Feb 27 19:02:39 i use dpkg-deb -b . Feb 27 19:02:51 as well as custom make instructions etc... Feb 27 19:02:51 Plus Feb 27 19:02:53 I don't optify Feb 27 19:02:58 because optification is retarded Feb 27 19:03:11 So my debs would kill anybody's normal n900 on / Feb 27 19:04:34 problem with bash is that people are afraid to touch system thingies needed to boot Feb 27 19:04:54 scripts could rely on some unsupported syntax, bugs etc Feb 27 19:06:00 but we just said most people dont use bash, it will not affect boot. Feb 27 19:06:28 ^ Feb 27 19:06:38 then there is no shellshock problem Feb 27 19:06:41 if it's not used Feb 27 19:06:42 :) Feb 27 19:06:52 for people who DO use it, it's a problem. Feb 27 19:06:58 ^ Feb 27 19:07:07 people who use it have to install it anyway Feb 27 19:07:15 to have newer version Feb 27 19:07:26 right Feb 27 19:07:29 but it should be apt-get Feb 27 19:07:31 not ./configure Feb 27 19:07:43 otherwise, what the hell is the pt of a debian system Feb 27 19:08:06 I don't know why people would defend the bad software. It also looks bad to potential neo900 users who may end up using this too Feb 27 19:08:24 ^^ Feb 27 19:08:36 hmm Feb 27 19:08:39 extras has http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/b/bash4/ Feb 27 19:08:43 4.2.20 Feb 27 19:08:46 yep Feb 27 19:08:48 and thats vuln Feb 27 19:08:57 needs update Feb 27 19:09:06 13:24 < stryngs> GNU bash, version 4.3.33(1)-release (armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi) Feb 27 19:09:41 http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash/ Feb 27 19:09:45 no maintainer Feb 27 19:09:50 anyone up for grabs? Feb 27 19:10:06 sure Feb 27 19:10:06 http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash4/ Feb 27 19:10:11 Ill do it Feb 27 19:10:16 if i can build without scratchbox Feb 27 19:10:16 and this one should be notified Feb 27 19:10:26 stryngs: build on the device Feb 27 19:10:28 :) Feb 27 19:10:45 yep Feb 27 19:10:46 I do Feb 27 19:10:51 and i have dh_make working finally Feb 27 19:10:57 the problem is the optify crap Feb 27 19:11:03 does optify affect /usr/share? Feb 27 19:11:07 mailto:milang@tal.org Feb 27 19:11:18 you can start with mailing the guy to update bash4 Feb 27 19:11:21 for starters Feb 27 19:11:40 no, he gave up on it apparently. Someone else needs to take over. Feb 27 19:11:44 Heh, he's obviously a bit behind Feb 27 19:11:44 if only I knew how to build these. As I am not a Debian user I have utterly no clue how to do debs... Feb 27 19:11:50 taint hard ecc3g Feb 27 19:11:55 Ill give u a class if uw ant Feb 27 19:11:59 stryngs: take the bash4 maintenance Feb 27 19:11:59 both the right and hacker way =) Feb 27 19:12:04 well Feb 27 19:12:07 Does it need optifying Feb 27 19:12:09 thats the trick Feb 27 19:12:15 cause i cant optify Feb 27 19:12:19 not using dh_make anyways Feb 27 19:12:22 has to be the "right" way plus whatever the maemo rep autobuilder does Feb 27 19:12:23 stryngs: nah Feb 27 19:12:36 just trim the unneeded stuff Feb 27 19:12:37 <- Gentoo user... so stuck doing things the gentoo way... Feb 27 19:12:38 pymaemo-optify is an empty deb on my system Feb 27 19:12:48 ecc3g: Steps to build a .deb: Feb 27 19:13:24 get ssource, tar zxf it. cd to it. ./configure --prefix=/usr;make;make install DESTDIR /root/foo;cd /root/foo;mkdir DEBIAN Feb 27 19:13:28 well, it would involve scratchbox or whatever x-compile system the autobuilder uses so whatever is here, isn't complete... Feb 27 19:13:31 make a control file, throw it in DEBIAN Feb 27 19:13:33 cd /root Feb 27 19:13:35 dpkg-deb -b foo . Feb 27 19:13:36 done Feb 27 19:13:37 =) Feb 27 19:13:38 you can even grab the source from the debian page Feb 27 19:13:44 and build it Feb 27 19:13:49 as it's already debianized Feb 27 19:13:55 doesnt involve scratchbox ecc3g Feb 27 19:13:58 but not maemonized. Feb 27 19:14:04 there is no maemonized Feb 27 19:14:09 it's called optification Feb 27 19:14:19 and it simply takes stuff from / and puts it on /home Feb 27 19:14:22 for space purposes Feb 27 19:14:25 and its gay Feb 27 19:14:28 shoulda been done way diff Feb 27 19:14:58 still, we can get away with bash4 being >400kb Feb 27 19:15:42 Nokia-N900:/bin# ls -lih bash 235270 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 818.5K Dec 31 16:18 bash Feb 27 19:20:30 as for maemoizing, just take a diff and see what they patched Feb 27 19:20:34 if anything Feb 27 19:30:48 if they didnt change anything, then it should be trivial to update... Feb 27 19:31:03 most likely Feb 27 19:47:05 who assigns package maintainers on maemo.org? Feb 27 19:54:37 that's a good question Feb 27 22:19:38 KotCzarny: it's merlin1991 imho Feb 27 22:23:24 |> Xenon II (Xenon II.sc68) - David Whittaker (430154 1/2, Bomb The Bass, 001 Amiga/Paula, built Feb 27 22:23:39 one of the best modules from amiga Feb 27 22:25:03 heh, I played it on pc, but I love the beeper tune Feb 27 22:25:20 amiga had the best soundtracks at the time Feb 27 22:58:23 hah, it reminds me Savage music so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8NDwMqaGWA Feb 27 23:40:58 Do any of you folks happen to know why tcpdump would not pick out IP addressess nor payload data whilst using a wifi nic in monitor mode? Feb 27 23:41:04 What could I have broken/built wrong? Feb 28 00:30:33 bah, i missed xx:28 uploader mark Feb 28 00:43:27 hah. oscp-0.9.7-4 uploaded Feb 28 00:48:14 merlin1991: ping Feb 28 00:55:38 |> DAVID WHITTAKER - Shadow of the beast [the plains - subtune 3].dw (1/4, 84208, uade2) Feb 28 02:16:51 Hi, when i run application "cpufreqUI" to overclock n900 or view temperature it shows always: Temperature: -40C° real / 0 raw, by fault after a crash i found out it shows correct values when message comes after boot up "kernel-power not loaded because no correct shutdown" or something like that Feb 28 02:18:38 i mean should that happen to them? :- ) Feb 28 02:20:51 ~oc Feb 28 02:20:51 methinks oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s Feb 28 02:20:58 ~overclocking Feb 28 02:20:58 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Feb 28 02:23:07 ~cpufrequi Feb 28 02:23:26 thx for warning Feb 28 02:23:31 np Feb 28 02:23:40 be careful, be very careful... Feb 28 02:23:49 or just dont bother with oc Feb 28 02:23:55 i only overclock for webbrowsing Feb 28 02:24:01 your n900 will live longer Feb 28 02:24:37 not if it break before cpu give up :- D Feb 28 02:25:15 well yeah but oc degrades the cpu quickly Feb 28 02:26:55 i keep freq mostly < 600mhz, for webbrowsing about 800mhz. thats all, what do you think about that? Feb 28 02:27:56 as i siad i wouldnt bother Feb 28 02:28:20 there are sure forum threads Feb 28 02:30:57 bbl Feb 28 02:43:51 hmm Feb 28 02:43:56 overclocking is that bad for it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 28 02:59:59 2015