**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 02 02:59:58 2015 Mar 02 06:41:19 compiling gcc 4.8.4 Mar 02 06:41:21 cc1: out of memory allocating 4294967272 bytes after a total of 786432 bytes Mar 02 06:41:28 fun, isn't it? Mar 02 07:19:37 ciao a tutti belli e brutti Mar 02 09:32:46 is it possible on n900 to have gprs and wlan connection on same time? Mar 02 09:33:10 is n900's gps any good? Mar 02 09:33:26 gps or gprs? Mar 02 09:33:32 ahm Mar 02 09:33:35 gps Mar 02 09:33:56 as for connection, just try to enable both Mar 02 09:34:00 only tested it few times, but seems to be fine Mar 02 09:34:32 well if i change from one to another it disconnects Mar 02 09:34:47 then i guess you have to use terminal commands Mar 02 09:34:48 so i was wondering if there is a hack for it :) Mar 02 09:35:15 enable gprs then use cmdline to enable wifi manually Mar 02 09:35:56 i need wlan only when i need to copy something to phone or vice versa and it's annoying to have everything else disconnected Mar 02 09:36:20 neat idea will see what happens Mar 02 09:37:05 amazing, i rebuilt oscp and libs with -O3 and binary size went from 4.7M to 4.3 Mar 02 09:37:06 o.O Mar 02 09:37:22 don't say anything important now coz i will disconnect because of connection change :p Mar 02 09:37:28 :) Mar 02 09:37:31 and congrats of that Mar 02 09:37:33 use sme irc bouncer Mar 02 09:37:36 *some Mar 02 09:37:46 i guess it means improved code Mar 02 09:37:53 might be unstable Mar 02 09:37:57 going to package it for test Mar 02 09:52:35 so far it seems that one can only connect to wep wifi from cmd line Mar 02 09:52:50 not wap which im using Mar 02 09:53:21 wpa*. but we have some daemon to handle it ... I dont remember its name Mar 02 09:57:40 ah yes sorry for my spelling Mar 02 09:58:34 so u say it is possible to connect to wifi and gprs simultaneously? Mar 02 09:59:22 I didnt say that, I havent tried :) Mar 02 09:59:48 :p Mar 02 10:00:29 joiku does it so it's probably doable ;) Mar 02 10:00:58 you'd just need to see how it configures everything Mar 02 10:00:59 hardware wise it's possible, don't know about system network manager going mad Mar 02 10:04:29 but isn't joikus point to use gprs connection and share it through wifi? Mar 02 10:13:34 yes, it is possible to connect to both simultaneously :) Mar 02 10:15:37 use wpa_supplicant for 'fancy' wifi networks Mar 02 10:15:57 Sicelo: could u possible spoon fed it to me <3 Mar 02 10:17:25 why do you want to do this in the first place? Mar 02 10:19:04 ooh, we do have wpasupplicant in extras Mar 02 10:19:07 cool Mar 02 10:19:09 yes :) Mar 02 10:19:31 im usually connected to gprs with im, yappari, etc and i only need wifi to move stuff from computer via scp occasionally Mar 02 10:20:05 so everything disconnects when i change to wifi and vice versa Mar 02 10:20:35 basically you want to `stop wlancond`, then use wpa_supplicant to connect the wifi. just check that your default route doesn't get changed Mar 02 10:20:38 actually not that important. Just minor inconvenience Mar 02 10:20:56 Vajb: this is same as any linux machine ... so any tutorial out there will get you going :) Mar 02 10:21:29 ok looking for wpa suplicant over google now Mar 02 10:25:12 https://www.dropbox.com/s/gaw8bjkc32etlkp/wres_con.sh?dl=0 is a little script i use to connect to wifi using wpa_supplicant Mar 02 10:25:45 you will not need the dbus lines for your use case Mar 02 10:27:36 of course the wpa_supplicant.conf is your job ;) Mar 02 10:28:57 only you know how your network is setup. i use this to connect to the wifi at work as the 'normal' way doesn't work on that network Mar 02 10:30:44 yes i figured that :) thx for sharing. Now i have good starting point Mar 02 10:31:37 KotCzarny: N900 is good (if you have a working SIM in your device) .. :) Mar 02 10:32:12 s/N900/N900 GPS/ Mar 02 10:32:12 Sicelo meant: KotCzarny: N900 GPS is good (if you have a working SIM in your device) .. :) Mar 02 10:47:31 hmm it seems that i can't find wpa_supplicant from maemo repo's Mar 02 10:50:53 wpasupplicant .. no space or dash Mar 02 10:51:23 but when you run it, then you have underscore Mar 02 10:57:27 still no go Mar 02 10:58:20 but found new update for yappari heh Mar 02 11:03:09 no go in what way? what is the actuall error you get with wpa_supplicant? or you mean you cannot find it? Mar 02 11:03:11 going to see what apt has to say Mar 02 11:03:26 can't find it Mar 02 11:03:56 moin :) Mar 02 11:04:16 fremantle:~$ apt-cache policy wpasupplicant Mar 02 11:04:16 wpasupplicant: Mar 02 11:04:29 k apt found it Mar 02 11:04:30 Version table: Mar 02 11:04:30 *** 0.7.3-1maemo2 0 Mar 02 11:04:31 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages Mar 02 11:04:35 ok, cool Mar 02 11:04:36 tried ham first Mar 02 11:04:38 :) Mar 02 11:05:45 do i need wpagui or libengine-pkcs11-openssl Mar 02 11:05:54 it's suggesting them too Mar 02 11:18:26 wpagui is only necessary if you want a gui. If you're comfortable configuring by hand (config files), you don't need it. That said, I've never used wpasupplicant on Maemo devices Mar 02 11:20:56 doesn't work on maemo anyway Mar 02 11:23:31 yeah i figured that, but was worth a try :) Mar 02 11:31:28 hmm Mar 02 11:31:47 /home in n800 is on the rootfs? O.o Mar 02 14:03:03 hmm it seems that it didn't work as expected Mar 02 14:03:46 even tho gprs seemed to be connected all the time, it wasn't. Mar 02 14:04:59 show us your 'ip route show' after you habe both gprs & wifi up Mar 02 14:05:35 if you used my script, i did mention you don't need the dbus line (which i use to disconnect all connections) Mar 02 14:14:31 i commented all dbus related lines out Mar 02 14:15:07 im outside wifi for awhile, but will do later Mar 02 14:17:00 ok Mar 02 14:18:54 well, on pc linux you start wpa_supplicant, then just set ip and route Mar 02 14:19:19 maybe network manager in maemo interferes somehow Mar 02 14:24:26 fremantle:~$ ip r Mar 02 14:24:26 172.17.224.0/20 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 172.17.231.72 Mar 02 14:24:28 default dev gprs0 scope link Mar 02 14:26:52 Vajb: you'll have to give us more info ... e.g., did the wi-fi connect? what routes exists, is there a valid IP address for gprs0 & wlan0? also, what dns is used ... check /var/run/resolv.conf.* Mar 02 14:28:06 KotCzarny: there is one functionality that currently no music player has, and i would find useful. Mar 02 14:28:20 zgrr: yes? Mar 02 14:29:20 KotCzarny: i listen to the music ripped from the online radio stations on the internet. such as polish RadioRAM for example. Mar 02 14:29:28 and? Mar 02 14:30:07 i use stream ripper which gives me bunch of files with artist names and titles and other properties. Mar 02 14:30:18 and? Mar 02 14:30:47 while listen it would be useful to be able to delete the file, i don't like with single click. Mar 02 14:31:03 it has such functionality but not exposed to remote Mar 02 14:31:18 if you use ncurses version just press 'delete' then confirm with 'y' Mar 02 14:31:20 or add extra star to uprate tracks i particularly like. Mar 02 14:31:44 i have to give your player a try. it looks very promissing. Mar 02 14:31:59 i also have one, if you press 'insert' it will copy file to predefined dir Mar 02 14:32:11 (and also not exposed to remote, yet) Mar 02 14:34:58 i shall make documentation of all those little features.. i hope such day would come Mar 02 14:43:28 I think, that it's impossible to make a player that could ergonomically accommodate all possible usage scenarios such as playing ebooks vs. listening to the music. Mar 02 14:44:44 unless it is highly user-customisable and one could switch between predefined UI profiles. Mar 02 14:46:49 zgrr, it's highly customizable Mar 02 14:47:03 core-remote model Mar 02 14:47:17 so you can write your own ui if you like Mar 02 14:47:32 great Mar 02 14:47:35 you can even use telnet to control it Mar 02 14:48:07 remote.txt has info about used commands Mar 02 14:48:28 https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/binaries/ Mar 02 14:49:31 remote is written in pygtk, so if you only need 'i want that button moved there', just hack it Mar 02 14:50:17 if you own n900 you have probably noticed that pygtk is the choice of many apps Mar 02 14:50:17 great work, you've done Mar 02 14:50:33 thanks, spread the word, find the bugs, review it Mar 02 14:51:19 right now i'm recompiling everything with -O3 for n8x0 Mar 02 14:51:33 10% gain isn't bad Mar 02 15:08:32 Hi, I've used my N900 as a media player for a couple of years. I just opened it, and noticed my battery had "swollen". It has been connected to the charger 24/7. Mar 02 15:08:49 ditch the battery Mar 02 15:08:53 Now, I realised the N900 doesn't work without a battery Mar 02 15:08:56 it's dangerous Mar 02 15:09:06 yeah Mar 02 15:09:14 also, check my oscp player Mar 02 15:10:31 lol KotCzarny :D Mar 02 15:10:35 :) Mar 02 15:10:39 KotCzarny: :) Mar 02 15:10:48 shameless-plug-mode is ON Mar 02 15:10:54 Think I already have it installed, but I use it as a mpd slave mostly Mar 02 15:11:09 anyway messerting, no mobile device (that i know of) can work without battery Mar 02 15:11:12 you can use oscp as a slave too Mar 02 15:11:47 no offense KotCzarny, but i have yet to know what i 'need' oscp for Mar 02 15:11:59 Sicelo: Sony Ericsson T610 did Mar 02 15:12:08 sicelo: for music play Mar 02 15:12:27 i have stock, omp, and mplayer for that already Mar 02 15:12:58 yes, but they are using all too common library interface Mar 02 15:13:06 :) Mar 02 15:13:22 So, how do you guys run N900 as a media player? Unplug it every night? Mar 02 15:13:23 i stuck to the oldschool play-by-dir and play-the-list Mar 02 15:13:41 i plan on getting cheapo bl-5j replacement Mar 02 15:14:17 yeah, I guess a new battery will give me a year or two more Mar 02 15:14:21 messerting: I dont :) Mar 02 15:14:29 (run it as a mediaplayer) Mar 02 15:14:29 But is it dangerous to have it plugged 24/7? Mar 02 15:14:39 its only bad for battery Mar 02 15:14:48 device doesnt care too much Mar 02 15:15:10 ok, so I need to check once in a while to see if it is about to explode then... Mar 02 15:15:16 :) Mar 02 15:15:19 messerting: iirc there is a manual mode with the bq* battery charger module (used by bme-replacement) Mar 02 15:15:28 so you could manually force "cycles" Mar 02 15:15:32 or put it behind somehing Mar 02 15:15:34 but I'm not sure about that ... at all Mar 02 15:15:55 Pali might know but he's offline Mar 02 15:16:02 bencoh: thanks, will search for that Mar 02 15:16:39 nice thing would be possibility for setting charge start/stop thresholds Mar 02 15:16:50 yeah Mar 02 15:18:32 sicelo, does stock player play midi or modules? Mar 02 15:19:19 not sure I will sleep better with bme-replacement, but I might try it (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90139&page=3) Mar 02 15:19:30 midi, yes (with midi-support). i doubt modules, but i don't have any. i love midi however :) Mar 02 15:19:33 or flv, aac, mpc, flac, ape, ogg? Mar 02 15:19:46 sicelo, then try oscp, it has updated wildmidi Mar 02 15:19:51 for starters Mar 02 15:20:03 KotCzarny: it does for most with gst-ffmpeg ;) Mar 02 15:20:13 most Mar 02 15:20:15 :) Mar 02 15:20:20 yes, bencoh is right. Mar 02 15:20:38 still, there is interface issue Mar 02 15:21:21 Ui, you mean? Mar 02 15:21:24 yes Mar 02 15:21:32 but also ability to control it remotely Mar 02 15:21:34 well, mafw can be embedded/controlled from a "remote" process Mar 02 15:21:51 bencoh, multiarch? Mar 02 15:21:55 ? Mar 02 15:22:04 ie. from a pc? Mar 02 15:22:22 i think it's more a matter of use case :) Mar 02 15:22:23 or reverse way, start oscp core on htpc and control it from n900 Mar 02 15:22:33 oh, no Mar 02 15:22:42 but to be honest, for that we have MPD ;) Mar 02 15:22:58 someone said that mpd gui sucks on n900 Mar 02 15:22:59 :) Mar 02 15:23:24 15:43 < zGrr> I think, that it's impossible to make a player that could ergonomically accommodate all possible usage scenarios such as playing ebooks vs. listening to the music. Mar 02 15:23:27 15:44 < zGrr> unless it is highly user-customisable and one could switch between predefined UI profiles. Mar 02 15:23:30 15:46 < KotCzarny> zgrr, it's highly customizable Mar 02 15:23:30 ;) Mar 02 15:23:33 15:47 < KotCzarny> core-remote model Mar 02 15:23:37 :) Mar 02 15:23:39 overall, it's great that there's a lot of choice, and oscp is great in that regard :) Mar 02 15:23:45 better throught ssh... Mar 02 15:23:52 at server... Mar 02 15:23:54 drathir: you can do it too Mar 02 15:23:55 Sicelo: yeah, diversity is good Mar 02 15:24:00 it also has ncurses interface Mar 02 15:24:06 ncmpcc Mar 02 15:24:11 or if you are hardcore you can do telnet Mar 02 15:24:23 KotCzarny: the only thing that bothers me is still the blob ;) Mar 02 15:24:32 also mocp missing at n900... Mar 02 15:24:39 (and the fact that I dont understand why you had to patch your deps) Mar 02 15:24:57 again, oscp playlist/ui is different than all the others Mar 02 15:25:14 lynx support https too if not fixed yet... Mar 02 15:25:31 bencoh, told you, to integrate libs/subplayers that don't interface by design Mar 02 15:25:45 ie. uade2, libsid2 Mar 02 15:26:02 what's wrong with libsid ? Mar 02 15:26:07 it's c++ Mar 02 15:26:10 without c interface Mar 02 15:26:21 cant the glue go in oscp ? Mar 02 15:26:23 (or upstream) Mar 02 15:27:49 yes, if you be able to contact devs, those projects are old Mar 02 15:29:00 ok Sicelo, what u needed to know? Mar 02 15:29:31 sidplay-libs-2.1.1 was last updated in 2004 Mar 02 15:30:37 Vajb: connect to wi-fi from command line first, then connect your gprs from UI Mar 02 15:31:13 by the way, does your wi-fi even connect yet from cmd line? you get IP address properly? Mar 02 15:32:02 the most important makfs and fsck updated if good remember thats good... Mar 02 15:32:09 mkfs* Mar 02 15:32:50 most important is outdated glibc and compiler :/ Mar 02 15:32:51 yes it did Mar 02 15:33:31 KotCzarny: Yea but touch that and You can scream fire in the hol... Mar 02 15:33:39 i know Mar 02 15:33:53 tried whole day to compile newer gcc in scratchbox Mar 02 15:34:04 if the gprs is your only connection to here, haha, then: (1) take note of /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs, (2) connect to the wifi with command line, (3) check to see that you have *only one* default route, (4) if you have second one, note it, and delete it Mar 02 15:34:05 i have gprs on and i connected wifi and it worked, but gprs got disconnected and applet show that it is connected Mar 02 15:34:08 it worked to a point but couldn't compile anything Mar 02 15:34:42 Vajb: default gateway may have changed :) Mar 02 15:35:07 KotCzarny: sad that os isnt based at arch... Mar 02 15:35:14 restore it manually .. if you have iproute tools, then it's just a matter of `ip r add default dev gprs0` Mar 02 15:35:27 yes im here through gprs Mar 02 15:35:45 ah i guess im missing iproute tools then Mar 02 15:35:47 that will be really up2date... Mar 02 15:35:59 drathir: it doesn't matter, thing is they had to patch things, and stock sources can;t compile/run without them Mar 02 15:36:23 Vajb: you can do it with route alone as well (but i have even forgotten they syntax for `route` command, haha) Mar 02 15:37:01 but iproute is neater .. especially for that gprs .. Mar 02 15:38:00 i have resolv.conf and resolv.conf.gprs and both have different ip Mar 02 15:38:27 hmm let me connect to wlan and see what happens now Mar 02 15:38:32 that's ok. your problem is route afaict. what is your routing table? Mar 02 15:38:33 ok Mar 02 15:38:59 little sad and wonder why nokia not give dev team full access to all closed packages, thats no maatter bc not wanna support anymore mean abaadoned project.. Mar 02 15:39:01 sicelo: route add -net default gw some-ip Mar 02 15:39:10 but he doesn't need route Mar 02 15:39:19 it's the IP part we don't want ;) Mar 02 15:39:25 as he uses internet via gprs Mar 02 15:39:32 and needs wifi part only for local stuff Mar 02 15:39:58 drathir: money money money Mar 02 15:40:08 def by gprs, and wifi local work by auto on ip range match... Mar 02 15:40:15 KotCzarny: yes. but dhcp will automatically change the routing table when he runs udhcpc .. that's why he needs to delete that default gw Mar 02 15:40:46 then: route del -net default; route add -net default dev gprs0 Mar 02 15:41:02 KotCzarny: even n900 isnt produced anymore, nokia not egsist anymore for now also too... Mar 02 15:41:14 drathir: neo900 etc Mar 02 15:41:23 still, too pricey for my blood Mar 02 15:41:27 KotCzarny: yes. that's correct Mar 02 15:41:34 so i'm hacking n900/n800 Mar 02 15:42:10 welcome back Vajb ;) Mar 02 15:42:12 how goes? Mar 02 15:42:14 KotCzarny: Yea like always ppl think the doc and other earn milions at project, there no money at all ;/ Mar 02 15:42:27 hi... Mar 02 15:42:29 * Sicelo is going afk soon Mar 02 15:42:46 guess im using wifi now Mar 02 15:42:54 do: route -n Mar 02 15:42:58 you will find out Mar 02 15:43:31 elisa-mobile.fi ... is that your wifi? Mar 02 15:43:43 :) Mar 02 15:43:52 i guess Mar 02 15:44:15 wlan gateway shows ip but gprs field is just 0.0.0.0 Mar 02 15:44:30 gprs ip doesn't matter Mar 02 15:44:33 it's ppp Mar 02 15:44:37 can you paste the complete lines perhaps... Mar 02 15:44:39 and isp will nat you anyway Mar 02 15:44:56 And honestly for nokia in past will be much better to support full opensource even one device like n900 line, with all source available... Mar 02 15:45:07 * Sicelo is gone :) Mar 02 15:45:14 bb Mar 02 15:45:17 drathir: money Mar 02 15:45:23 kia-N900:/home/user# route -n Mar 02 15:45:23 Kernel IP routing table Mar 02 15:45:23 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Mar 02 15:45:23 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 Mar 02 15:45:23 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 Mar 02 15:45:25 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 gprs0 Mar 02 15:45:28 Nokia-N900:/home/user# Mar 02 15:45:46 you have two default routes Mar 02 15:45:50 so you have 2 default gateways, delete the last one Mar 02 15:45:54 things can get hairy Mar 02 15:45:55 no Mar 02 15:45:58 delete wlan0 one Mar 02 15:45:59 nooo Mar 02 15:46:00 :D Mar 02 15:46:02 yes, haha Mar 02 15:46:05 Vajb_: gprs0 is a point-to-point interface, hence the 0.0.0.0 ("default") route Mar 02 15:46:25 so how i delete it? Mar 02 15:46:32 KotCzarny: they heve money from xxx other lines of phones... Mar 02 15:46:39 route del -net default; route add -net default dev gprs0 Mar 02 15:46:40 try: route del -net default dev wlan0 Mar 02 15:46:51 sicelo: bad line Mar 02 15:46:52 i guess that other wlan0 is remainder of wlancond? Mar 02 15:47:12 no. it came from udhcpc ... Mar 02 15:47:27 so it is technically 'correct' to have it Vajb_ Mar 02 15:48:06 KotCzarny: iproute has messed my `route` fu. that would have been a simple `ip route del default dev wlan0` Mar 02 15:48:10 :( Mar 02 15:48:29 im not using iproute Mar 02 15:48:35 im using ifconfig and route Mar 02 15:48:52 oute: SIOCADDRT: File exists Mar 02 15:48:58 told you Mar 02 15:49:02 bad line Mar 02 15:49:20 you would have to delete default route 'twice' Mar 02 15:49:24 then add once Mar 02 15:49:28 Vajb_: use the one KotCzarny gave Mar 02 15:49:47 15:46 < KotCzarny> try: route del -net default dev wlan0 Mar 02 15:50:51 i think vajb, you should edit some network scripts that run dhcp on wlan0 up Mar 02 15:51:56 i would rather he does that one the wpa_supplicant script .. not the main ones (because udchpc is also used by wlancond) Mar 02 15:52:11 many ways Mar 02 15:52:36 but apparently he can have wlan and gprs at the same time Mar 02 15:52:53 of course. i can Mar 02 15:53:19 :) Mar 02 15:53:48 looks like that route is gone now ... so we should see him come back shortly Mar 02 15:53:57 maybe Mar 02 15:54:13 * Sicelo afk .. 2hours Mar 02 15:54:33 ok now im here? Mar 02 15:54:40 elisa Mar 02 15:55:18 hmm Mar 02 15:55:35 it might show both as elisa as a matter of fact Mar 02 15:55:59 my wifi is gprs router which is sharing connection around the house Mar 02 15:56:26 and it is from same company as my gprs in phone Mar 02 15:57:08 at least i have wifi connected coz i can scp to my phone Mar 02 15:57:11 :) Mar 02 15:57:44 but how to know if gprs is also active? Mar 02 15:57:57 i have gprs icon up there Mar 02 15:57:58 tracert or traceroute ? Mar 02 15:58:10 what does route -n show ? Mar 02 15:59:00 route -n Mar 02 15:59:02 Kernel IP routing table Mar 02 15:59:02 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Mar 02 15:59:02 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 Mar 02 15:59:02 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 gprs0 Mar 02 15:59:22 that seems to be fixed now, yes? Mar 02 15:59:27 then your internet packets go through gprs Mar 02 16:00:02 cool Mar 02 16:00:46 btw how do i disconnect wifi now? Mar 02 16:00:52 yes Mar 02 16:01:14 since there is no icon or anything. Just killall wpa_supplicant? Mar 02 16:01:35 yes, but wifi module will still search for open networks Mar 02 16:01:40 maybe ifconfig wlan0 down ? Mar 02 16:01:56 or iwconfig wlan0 mode off ? Mar 02 16:02:05 or equivalent Mar 02 16:02:14 hmm that might just be where i got two wlan0's Mar 02 16:02:37 coz last time i did killall wpa_supplicant and wlancond start Mar 02 16:02:47 :) Mar 02 16:03:05 yeah, you shall edit system scripts to ignore wlan status/changes Mar 02 16:03:16 make backups Mar 02 16:03:47 ok ifconfig wlan0 down did the trick Mar 02 16:03:59 only gprs showing up on route -n Mar 02 16:04:20 but power wise wifi could still be enabled Mar 02 16:04:34 normal drivers on pc powerdown wifi when ifconfig down Mar 02 16:04:43 Sicelo: one last question. Will all of this work after reboot? Mar 02 16:04:58 vajb: did you change any system scripts? Mar 02 16:04:58 hmm how to check that? Mar 02 16:05:22 you should know if you edited anything Mar 02 16:05:24 i didn't change anything Mar 02 16:05:35 then after reboot everything will go back to stock Mar 02 16:05:49 i installed wpa_supplicant and rest is just shell script Mar 02 16:06:12 check the .deb if it messed with anything Mar 02 16:06:18 ok so i might face two wlan connections again Mar 02 16:06:19 (pre/post-install scripts) Mar 02 16:06:28 not necessarily Mar 02 16:08:06 gotta love computer stuff. Words r english, but i still have no idea what to do about checking .deb lol Mar 02 16:08:21 unpack it Mar 02 16:08:40 http://www.practicalweb.co.uk/blog/2008/06/08/how-to-manually-unpack-a-deb-file/ Mar 02 16:09:42 wpasupplicant doesnt run anything automatically. setup your own scrips Mar 02 16:10:50 Sicelo: so was this ifconfig wlan0 down correct way to disconnect? Mar 02 16:11:42 yes Mar 02 16:11:58 sicelo: would that powerdown the chip? Mar 02 16:12:29 i guess i will notice if it didn't :p Mar 02 16:12:48 eventually :P Mar 02 16:13:09 start wlancond and kill udhcpc as well Mar 02 16:13:24 KotCzarny: afaik disabling wireless (from status-menu applet) unloads modules Mar 02 16:13:36 I guess there is a reason Mar 02 16:13:39 so he should also unload wifi module Mar 02 16:13:54 and reinsert when he wants to connect Mar 02 16:14:42 modules are always loaded afaik Mar 02 16:15:33 ? Mar 02 16:15:50 nope Mar 02 16:15:59 and i can vouch for the soundness of this... i connect this way daily Mar 02 16:16:05 bencoh, just checked Mar 02 16:16:12 KotCzarny: me too Mar 02 16:16:13 lsmod |wc -l shows same number Mar 02 16:16:28 lsmod|grep wl1 doesnt show anything Mar 02 16:17:02 I guess we're not talking about the same applet Mar 02 16:17:06 wl12xx Mar 02 16:17:29 i'm using stock fremantle Mar 02 16:17:45 and using 'select connection' to connect/disconnect Mar 02 16:17:45 stock applet? Mar 02 16:17:48 I use wifi-switcher to enable/disable wireless Mar 02 16:17:49 im using cssu-testing Mar 02 16:47:39 i did digging about wifi. Would modprobe -r wl12xx solve possible chip on issue? Mar 02 16:47:59 yes, it most likely disables device Mar 02 16:48:47 well then it definitely wont draw any power :) Mar 02 16:49:38 tell me if you don't have the module after a reboot ;p Mar 02 16:49:52 why should he? Mar 02 16:50:27 u think it might got lost if it's not loaded when rebooting? Mar 02 16:50:32