**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 03 02:59:58 2015 Mar 03 07:45:28 * Sicelo wonders what has changed now in work Wi-Fi network .. seems PSM is borked :( Mar 03 07:45:44 could be some interference Mar 03 07:58:14 i suspect misconfigurtion of the Cisco APs. the problem is consistent, and been this way for at least two weeks now. i am positive it's not my N900 because PSM still works fine when I'm at home. Mar 03 07:58:29 cisco doesnt care about psm Mar 03 08:00:38 huh? Mar 03 08:00:50 they make security equipment Mar 03 08:00:58 not best in mobile Mar 03 08:02:46 psm has nothing to do with mobile KotCzarny. it's just a wireless feature. and cisco routers have all that's needed to support it just fine. at lest that's what i understand about psm Mar 03 08:04:45 as i understand psm my introduce lags Mar 03 08:05:02 maybe someone was unhappy and turned it off Mar 03 08:05:08 s/my/may/ Mar 03 08:05:17 yes, agreed Mar 03 08:05:34 KotCzarny: you have (had?) some problems with the autobuilder? Mar 03 08:05:53 but that person would have to be hanged, lol. all you need to do is fix the client for that, not the AP Mar 03 08:06:43 freemangordon: mostly user induced, feedback from the possible errors would be very helpful during initial learning the system Mar 03 08:07:34 so autobuilder works fine? Mar 03 08:07:40 yes Mar 03 08:07:42 ok Mar 03 08:07:53 apart from being unintuitive Mar 03 08:08:01 :) Mar 03 08:08:09 and debugging possible failuires requires human help Mar 03 08:08:25 why don't you just email the errors to the maintainer of the package? Mar 03 08:08:46 oh, and btw. when i create a project it doesnt auto assign me as a maintainer Mar 03 08:08:49 no idea why nokia decided it that way Mar 03 08:08:54 that could be considered a bug Mar 03 08:09:03 create a project? Mar 03 08:09:06 where? Mar 03 08:09:11 on garage Mar 03 08:09:15 i mean Mar 03 08:09:26 that is unrelated Mar 03 08:09:28 i created oscp project Mar 03 08:09:38 then i want to upp it to ectras-devel Mar 03 08:09:44 *extras Mar 03 08:09:47 btw I have no idea who is the garage maintainer Mar 03 08:09:59 it's my project so why isn't it auto assigned to me? Mar 03 08:10:08 no no, in garage it's still fine Mar 03 08:10:25 but when i upload to extras-devel it doesnt autoassigns it to me Mar 03 08:10:39 KotCzarny: if you use extras web interface, it will assign you Mar 03 08:11:05 does extras web interface allow non-free packages? Mar 03 08:11:30 * freemangordon checks Mar 03 08:12:31 hmm, no Mar 03 08:12:36 see? Mar 03 08:12:45 wasn't aware Mar 03 08:12:54 anyway, it should autoassign the maintainer through scp too Mar 03 08:13:30 I guess it uses .dsc or .changes file for that Mar 03 08:13:49 hmm Mar 03 08:14:06 anyway, I am back to the broken facebook API Mar 03 09:46:01 09:12 < KotCzarny> anyway, it should autoassign the maintainer through scp too Mar 03 09:46:10 hmm, it doesnt, even for -free packages ? Mar 03 09:55:54 dont know about free ones Mar 03 09:57:19 so, changing topic, my dictionary skill is failing, how do i search for adapter from headphone out to line in? Mar 03 09:57:28 citing kerio: impedance something something Mar 03 10:08:08 line in as in amplifiers? Mar 03 10:08:13 yes Mar 03 10:08:22 3.5mm jack to rca Mar 03 10:08:33 no, see the impedance something something part Mar 03 10:08:45 hmm Mar 03 10:09:01 i definitely get better sound out of pc soundcard than n800's Mar 03 10:09:29 i never gave any thought to impedance Mar 03 10:09:56 do u use same line in for n800 and pc soundcard? Mar 03 10:10:06 yes Mar 03 10:10:16 switch them for testing Mar 03 10:10:32 probably same audio file too Mar 03 10:17:10 Sicelo: is there a way to prevent udhcpc to get new ip? Because it seems that it always gets new ip and therefore disconnects my gprs. Mar 03 10:17:32 connect manually Mar 03 10:17:57 can i tell udhcpc which ip to use? Mar 03 10:18:12 that question is ambigious Mar 03 10:18:31 and not the correct one i think Mar 03 10:18:35 dunno what ambigious means :) Mar 03 10:18:45 has more than one meaning Mar 03 10:18:54 k Mar 03 10:19:22 my guess is that when interface connects, new instance of udhcpc is spawn Mar 03 10:20:25 so one would have to connect to gprs manually (without dbus and stuff) Mar 03 10:21:18 but what if gprs is already connected? Mar 03 10:21:21 that's why i always hated networkmanager Mar 03 10:21:43 thats's the line from Sicelo's script "udhcpc -i wlan0 -h N900-Linux" Mar 03 10:21:44 that depends on the script that made it connected Mar 03 10:21:55 if you don't want udhcpc, don't call it from the script. comment out that section, and then set a static IP for your wlan0 interface. wpa_supplicant will leave ip stuff alone Mar 03 10:21:55 well Mar 03 10:21:58 :) Mar 03 10:22:01 dont use udhcpc for wlan0 Mar 03 10:22:06 just set static Mar 03 10:22:15 right Mar 03 10:23:23 tbh, i still don't quite understand why you're doing this in the first place, but still a nice opportunity to learn some networking Mar 03 10:24:25 Vajb: getting a (new) ip on wlan0 shouldnt "disconnect" gprs Mar 03 10:24:35 he wants to have cellular internet all the time and be able to use local wifi sometimes Mar 03 10:24:47 your real issue here is probably the fact that you get a default route Mar 03 10:24:52 just occasionally to use scp via wifi without disturbing already open gprs connection :) Mar 03 10:25:14 just i noticed that he has internet on the wifi ... that's why this baffles me Mar 03 10:25:30 maybe he gets in and out of wifi coverage Mar 03 10:25:37 or wants power saving Mar 03 10:26:24 i can't scp to my phone via gprs thats why i need wifi Mar 03 10:26:49 :) Mar 03 10:27:31 Vajb: your wifi already has internet, right? if you're connected to it, you can both browse/whatsapp, as well as scp locally Mar 03 10:27:35 but yes, ymmv Mar 03 10:29:49 yep, but it's just that minor inconvenience of lost connection on irssi when i change from gprs to wlan Mar 03 10:30:05 setup ircbouncer Mar 03 10:30:13 maybe im just stupid or fussy or whatever :) Mar 03 10:30:57 sometimes point of doing something isn't the act itself, but the fact one can do it :) Mar 03 10:31:16 :) Mar 03 10:32:14 ok what if i change my resolv.conf to 0.0.0.0? Mar 03 10:32:36 you will fail Mar 03 10:32:50 it's the ip of dns resolver Mar 03 10:32:52 lol what a suprise Mar 03 10:33:00 Vajb: just don't call udhcpc and you'll be fine Mar 03 10:33:19 if you really want to make it static use google's dns resolver (8.8.8.8) Mar 03 10:33:21 or opendns Mar 03 10:33:36 208.67.222.222 Mar 03 10:34:05 but there is ip address in resolv.conf and it is different than resolv.conf.gprs Mar 03 10:34:19 system only uses resolv.conf Mar 03 10:34:20 that came from udchpc Mar 03 10:35:10 maemo's /etc/resolv.conf is generally best left alone, pointing to 127.0.0.1. dnsmasq takes care of the rest Mar 03 10:35:32 i use opendns Mar 03 10:35:38 and pdnsd Mar 03 10:35:59 oh there is another Mar 03 10:36:17 i was talking about /var/run/resolv.conf Mar 03 10:36:26 system uses /etc/resolv.conf Mar 03 10:36:45 ok Mar 03 10:36:55 yes Vajb, that comes from udhcpc ... when you don't call udhcpc, that resolv file will not be there Mar 03 10:37:43 but dnsmasq can be patched to look for those /var/run/ confs Mar 03 10:37:51 havent checked if it's the case Mar 03 10:37:53 so should /var/run/resolv.conf be same as /etc/resolv.conf? Mar 03 10:38:00 depends Mar 03 10:38:04 what do you want ? Mar 03 10:38:36 ah, but u already know that :D Mar 03 10:39:19 i dont know how 'intelligent' is dnsmasq on n900 Mar 03 10:39:21 you don't need the one in /var/run. you also probably don't need to adjust the one in /etc either Mar 03 10:39:27 * Vajb has a feeling that all this will end to reflash sooner or later Mar 03 10:39:47 you are doing backups of the files you change? Mar 03 10:39:55 sure Mar 03 10:40:15 actually didn't change anything. Just speculated Mar 03 10:40:21 the scp you do ... you use IP addresses, i suppose, or you have a full-blown dns server on your local network? Mar 03 10:40:37 i use ip Mar 03 10:40:59 so you don't need any other resolv.conf files. leave them all alone Mar 03 10:41:02 and wifi router choose wich ip to give for my device Mar 03 10:41:49 oh no, lol.. so you do need udhcpc, or can you tell the router to give your N900 a static IP? usually you need to give it MAC address Mar 03 10:41:59 nah Mar 03 10:42:06 he can setup wifi manually Mar 03 10:42:13 without any udhcpc Mar 03 10:42:37 all he needs is to note what network it's assigning Mar 03 10:42:47 there is maybe six devices which use that router Mar 03 10:42:50 (ie. the ip he has on wifi interface) Mar 03 10:44:24 wifi is manual already .. via wpa_supplicant. the issue now is ip addressing. but yeah, i guess i don't like too much hacks Mar 03 10:44:37 no, wpa_supplicant doesnt assign ip Mar 03 10:44:44 doh Mar 03 10:44:48 of course it does'nt Mar 03 10:44:55 he is using ip or ifconfig to set it (or udhcpcd) Mar 03 10:45:01 moin :) Mar 03 10:45:01 i think i've said that lota of times now Mar 03 10:47:12 hi zgrr Mar 03 10:47:20 once i did that route del and add stuff it worked, but problem is it's needing it always Mar 03 10:47:44 and also when it needs it it's disconnecting gprs Mar 03 10:47:46 sicelo: he is learning basics of networking, so all in all he is gaining from the experiment Mar 03 10:48:04 vajb: it's needed because udhcpcd mangles routes Mar 03 10:49:43 Vajb: add the route del command in your connect script? Mar 03 10:50:30 i did it! Mar 03 10:50:40 doesn't run? Mar 03 10:50:45 :) Mar 03 10:50:48 i got wlan connected and i didn't disconnect here, right Mar 03 10:50:56 ok. Mar 03 10:51:04 just dont run udhcpcd for wifi Mar 03 10:51:14 no no udhcpc Mar 03 10:51:28 just ifconfig wlan0 ip i want Mar 03 10:52:37 i just hope Vajb hasn't also learned that udchpc has a problem lol. <<10:47 < KotCzarny> sicelo: he is learning basics of networking, so all in all he is gaining from the experiment10:47 < KotCzarny> sicelo: he is learning basics of networking, so all in all he is gaining from the experiment>> Mar 03 10:52:50 that would mean we've taught the wrong lesson Mar 03 10:53:17 ehlo KotCzarny Mar 03 10:53:42 udhcpcd doesn't have a problem, it's just the way system is set up Mar 03 10:53:59 hehe it's not about how much we learn, but how much we remember tomorrow Mar 03 10:54:18 if you write a script and comment it inside, you're good Mar 03 10:57:26 yes i have scripts modified now Mar 03 11:04:31 getting things work the way i want (no matter how strange) makes me happy :) Mar 03 11:09:06 Vajb: what does /etc/network/interfaces say ? Mar 03 11:10:08 oh and, regarding dnsmasq/resolv.conf and /var/run, see /etc/dnsmasq.conf, you can safely add/remove /var/run/resolv.conf, maemo shouldnt write there, and dnsmasq will use it Mar 03 11:14:11 bencoh: i suppose it's at stock state. I didn't touch it. Mar 03 11:16:14 all files in /var/run are listed in /etc/dnsmasq.conf Mar 03 13:48:50 there used to be Maemo.org Application Download Statistics but it's not working anymore; is there a way to access the data? Mar 03 13:58:48 i think it's 'not official' Mar 03 13:59:06 and times out when trying to access some resource Mar 03 14:00:09 http://maemo.org/download-stats2/index.php?unixname=oscp&os=Maemo5 Mar 03 14:00:27 could be because of some html rewrite Mar 03 14:02:39 it's just broken, yes Mar 03 14:07:57 statistics are broken, nobody managed to revive them yet Mar 03 14:11:01 i can Mar 03 14:11:28 and also i can add builder/uploader emailer Mar 03 14:11:36 (while i'm at it) Mar 03 14:16:56 that would be great Mar 03 14:21:16 huh, what did i miss? Mar 03 14:22:18 nothing Mar 03 14:22:41 so, any chance of fixing it? Mar 03 14:34:29 i offer my help with fixing it Mar 03 14:56:04 hmm i guess something broke after all. Now email client and opera can't connect to internet. Mar 03 14:56:23 most likely dns resolver Mar 03 14:56:34 try ping google.com from terminal Mar 03 14:57:49 seems like it's not getting any answer Mar 03 14:57:53 ok Mar 03 14:57:59 want a quickfix or good fix? Mar 03 14:58:14 "bad adress www.google.com" Mar 03 14:58:39 right, that means your resolver is broken Mar 03 14:58:43 ie. not set Mar 03 14:58:53 what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ? Mar 03 14:59:59 doh Mar 03 15:01:51 upz accidentally closed this window Mar 03 15:01:57 noticed Mar 03 15:01:57 ok Mar 03 15:02:03 what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf Mar 03 15:02:22 nameserver 127.0.0.1 Mar 03 15:02:24 ok Mar 03 15:02:31 so it's set for dnsmasq Mar 03 15:02:32 now Mar 03 15:02:44 ls /var/run/resolv.conf* Mar 03 15:02:48 and it seems that it was my gprs strangely Mar 03 15:03:11 because when i started irssi again it couldn't connect Mar 03 15:03:20 no, it doesnt matter Mar 03 15:03:26 and now when i connected gprs again it works Mar 03 15:03:31 to connect you have working dns resolver Mar 03 15:03:48 it reset /var/run/ files Mar 03 15:03:58 if you want a fix follow me Mar 03 15:04:04 if not, say it so Mar 03 15:04:28 wait i'll run ls var stuff Mar 03 15:05:18 ls /var/run/resolv.conf* Mar 03 15:05:19 /var/run/resolv.conf /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs Mar 03 15:06:15 cat /var/run/resolv.conf Mar 03 15:06:57 cat /var/run/resolv.conf Mar 03 15:06:57 nameserver 192.168.1.1 Mar 03 15:06:57 nameserver 192.168.1.1 Mar 03 15:07:16 is that your wifi router? Mar 03 15:08:16 today i used .2 but otherwise same Mar 03 15:09:22 hmm Mar 03 15:09:39 yes, it is. remember his routing table yesterday ;) Mar 03 15:09:58 i'm thinking how to easily setup his dns Mar 03 15:10:28 let my try to understand my problem first Mar 03 15:10:29 for a quickie: echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /var/run/resolv.conf Mar 03 15:10:44 to connect you have 2 things Mar 03 15:10:48 1/ working internet connection Mar 03 15:10:55 2/ set up dns resolver server Mar 03 15:11:02 1 was working Mar 03 15:11:15 2 is to be able to translate google.com into ip Mar 03 15:11:18 etc Mar 03 15:11:30 thats why irc worked, but didnt reconnect Mar 03 15:12:10 if you do the line i pasted, it will setup dnsmasq to try opendns servers Mar 03 15:12:33 don't you want to have him just remove that resolv.conf? resolv.conf.gprs is all he will need. but whatever you prefer Mar 03 15:12:39 nope Mar 03 15:12:46 it will break system Mar 03 15:12:50 so irssi, yappari and facebook chat stayed connected because they were connected at the first place, but device couldn't make new connection for opera and email because of what i did earlier? Mar 03 15:13:14 vajb: you could have connect to irc if you used /connect 2.3.4.5 etc Mar 03 15:13:21 to /connect irc.some.server Mar 03 15:13:32 you need set up dns resolver Mar 03 15:13:44 that will translate irc.some.server into Mar 03 15:13:46 2.3.4.5 Mar 03 15:13:59 so, ping 8.8.8.8 would work Mar 03 15:14:07 but ping google.com not Mar 03 15:14:26 i think i'm not good at explaining ... system will *not* break with the absence of /var/run/resolv.conf. this file recreates itself on every successful connection (much like maemo's /etc/fstab) Mar 03 15:14:46 sicelo, ahm, i thought you have suggeste3d removing /etc/resolv.conf Mar 03 15:14:47 :) Mar 03 15:15:28 for connections established from connection UI, the created file is /var/run/resolv.conf.if_name, e.g. resolv.conf.wlan0 Mar 03 15:16:22 :D im somewhat confused Mar 03 15:16:40 let me get this straight Mar 03 15:16:55 Vajb: ignore me, haha. i'm drunk Mar 03 15:18:39 im having everything working now. If i run my scripts to use scp everything which is connected stay connected, but new connections are not possible. And if i remove /var/run/resolv.conf it'll fix it, but file will be recreated at some point. Was it even close? Mar 03 15:19:27 Sicelo: haha drunken experiments r the best coz u never know if u can remeber to reverse what u did before passing out Mar 03 15:19:28 vajb: nope, it's not the problem Mar 03 15:19:53 dnsmasq reads all resolv.conf* files and contacts those dns servers Mar 03 15:20:34 my guess is that /var/run/resolv.conf is static/generic one Mar 03 15:20:38 KotCzarny: i think we must see those scripts, what do you say? (i think there's still a udhcpc in them ..) Mar 03 15:20:45 then what if i put same stuff in resolv.conf than resolv.conf.gprs? Hmm i think i asked that already Mar 03 15:20:53 and .something are used next depending on the route Mar 03 15:21:15 vajb: no, no need to duplicate Mar 03 15:21:23 put the line i gave you Mar 03 15:21:39 echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /var/run/resolv.conf Mar 03 15:22:04 then for a test do: mv /var/run/resolv.conv.* / Mar 03 15:22:09 then try: ping google.com Mar 03 15:22:21 we will see if that file is working Mar 03 15:24:59 hmm Mar 03 15:25:09 dnsmasq could be caching those files Mar 03 15:25:21 just removed all of them for test Mar 03 15:25:58 so something reloads dnsmasq on connect/disconnect Mar 03 15:26:36 only difference was different ip for ping reply Mar 03 15:27:02 anyway, if you put the line i gave you you will have 'static' dns server along others Mar 03 15:27:03 KotCzarny: upstart Mar 03 15:27:20 vajb: you can use 8.8.8.8 instead of 208.67.222.222 Mar 03 15:27:27 208. one is opendns Mar 03 15:27:32 8. is google Mar 03 15:28:07 opendns generally works ok, sometimes it returns bogus results for inexistent domains Mar 03 15:29:45 i c. Does it have any flaws compared to original? Mar 03 15:29:50 Vajb: i would like to see your connect script if that's alright with you :) Mar 03 15:29:57 other than that i mean Mar 03 15:30:10 ok Sicelo Mar 03 15:30:24 vajb: unless google or opendns go bandit way, no Mar 03 15:30:53 i'll paste it in parts Mar 03 15:31:13 #!/bin/sh Mar 03 15:31:13 modprobe wl12xx Mar 03 15:31:13 echo "Shutting down Wireless daemon" Mar 03 15:31:13 stop wlancond Mar 03 15:31:22 vajb: pastebin.com ? Mar 03 15:31:32 echo "Setting up the WNIC" Mar 03 15:31:33 ifconfig wlan0 up Mar 03 15:31:33 iwconfig wlan0 power saving 4 Mar 03 15:31:43 hmm neat idea lol Mar 03 15:35:19 annoying problem Mar 03 15:35:44 when im on pastebin edit mode it fills my screen and i can't get back from there Mar 03 15:35:56 in opera on device Mar 03 15:36:02 use microb ? Mar 03 15:36:20 or go back into windowed mode Mar 03 15:40:23 http://pastebin.com/4dWJnM8m Mar 03 15:41:18 disconnect script is Mar 03 15:41:27 #!/bin/sh Mar 03 15:41:27 ifconfig wlan0 down Mar 03 15:41:27 sleep 2 Mar 03 15:41:27 killall wpa_supplicant Mar 03 15:41:27 sleep 2 Mar 03 15:41:34 modprobe -r wl12xx Mar 03 15:43:14 well now that i think of it i could have deleted those useless lines, but i was lazy and just commented them out Mar 03 15:43:38 i think you must delete the /var/run/resolv.conf then .... shouldn't come back again as far as i can tell Mar 03 15:43:57 the `iwconfig wlan0 power saving 4 Mar 03 15:44:12 sicelo, having opendns or google dns there wouldnt break anything Mar 03 15:44:22 and can be helpful for his situation Mar 03 15:44:54 actually iwconfig line is the line it whines that command is not found Mar 03 15:45:02 will serve as a always available server Mar 03 15:45:02 the `iwconfig wlan0 power saving 4` might slow things down ... if so, experiment with lower numbers, or even remove it completely. just that the wifi chip will deplete battery fast without Mar 03 15:45:11 oh Mar 03 15:45:31 you can install that Vajb (if you feel you need it) Mar 03 15:46:49 wlan is on only few minutes to one hour so i guess it doesn't matter Mar 03 15:47:45 cool. Mar 03 15:48:16 * Sicelo connects for 8 hours with wpa_supplicant, so without that line it gets really bad Mar 03 15:48:28 mostly i need scp when i have added new album or audiobook to laptop and wanna listen on go Mar 03 15:48:54 add nfs to your network Mar 03 15:49:19 radiostreaming through gprs is another story for battery drainage Mar 03 15:49:37 vajb, might i interest you in my player? (oscp) Mar 03 15:49:40 nfs=need for speed, but i guess not :p Mar 03 15:49:48 nfs=network file systenm Mar 03 15:50:15 i have special need on there too Mar 03 15:50:41 i use mplayer for streaming Mar 03 15:51:10 * Sicelo uses mplayer too.. but Mar 03 15:51:13 and i use 60mb cache to be able to pause broadcast for lunch break etc Mar 03 15:51:33 ah, i was about to ask why not the built-in media player Mar 03 15:52:02 vajb: ahm, i might add setting cache in config Mar 03 15:52:27 yes that's the reason. I was asking of setting cache for open media player Mar 03 15:52:49 can ur player also dumpstream? Mar 03 15:53:02 because i need that too Mar 03 15:53:44 hmm actually possibility to listen growing files would remove my need for big cache Mar 03 15:54:02 listen and rewind that is Mar 03 15:54:35 vajb, if i add such option, yes Mar 03 15:54:59 never tried what would happen Mar 03 15:55:30 wanna try? Mar 03 15:55:52 right now i'm preparing packages for n8x0 and n900 (added some other feature) Mar 03 15:56:00 might try after that Mar 03 15:56:17 try dumping stream via mplayer and listening it to ur player and try to rewind past startup point Mar 03 15:56:40 mplayer can rewind till that and then it claims it reached end of file Mar 03 16:01:17 anyone here familiar w/ ddwrt? Mar 03 16:01:26 * timeless is trying to set it up and is only halfway through the headaches Mar 03 16:01:35 whats the problem? Mar 03 16:01:41 not me for sure Mar 03 16:01:42 run it, connect wia www interface Mar 03 16:01:47 click click, done Mar 03 16:02:02 i installed mini Mar 03 16:02:05 but i need voip Mar 03 16:02:15 check for wiki recipes Mar 03 16:02:17 and their web site(s) are totally incomprehensible Mar 03 16:02:25 try openwrt's one Mar 03 16:02:31 should be at least similar Mar 03 16:02:41 ddwrt definitely has it in theory Mar 03 16:02:54 I'm running DD-WRT v24-sp2 (05/27/13) mini (SVN revision 21676) Mar 03 16:03:20 http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F#V24_pre_sp2_K26 Mar 03 16:03:27 claims i want k2.6 VOIP Mar 03 16:03:41 but unless i'm missing somehting, i can't figure out where that *is* Mar 03 16:03:56 please say i'm missing something obvious:) Mar 03 16:05:13 ok Mar 03 16:05:19 maybe i should just try openwrt Mar 03 16:06:03 Sicelo: just to let u know. Removing /var/run/resolv.conf seems to have worked problem. Just tried wlan on and off and everything seemed to work before and after. Mar 03 16:06:25 worked=fixed Mar 03 16:06:51 KotCzarny: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start doesn't list e1200 Mar 03 16:06:55 which isn't particularly reassuring Mar 03 16:07:58 https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=41206 isn't reassuring either Mar 03 16:16:29 *sigh*, such a pain... Mar 03 16:16:36 worked around by adding a stun server Mar 03 16:17:09 KotCzarny: btw about nfs. At one point i tried to share folder in windows vista, but after spending some fruitless hours on it. I decided that scp to device is just so much easier for me :) Mar 03 16:17:56 Vajb: yeah. nfs is never the right answer :) Mar 03 16:17:56 timeless: I guess you were looking for http://lwn.net/Articles/271597/ ? Mar 03 16:18:38 (merged in mainline as nf_nat_sip) Mar 03 16:18:54 (and nf_conntrack_sip) Mar 03 16:19:02 bencoh: i can't understand that entry Mar 03 16:19:24 timeless: basically what you need on a linux router/nat to make SIP work Mar 03 16:19:38 there's something called Mar 03 16:20:00 Milkfish SIP Router Mar 03 16:20:06 oww Mar 03 16:20:10 i was expecting to try to get my router to run that Mar 03 16:20:18 because that's the only thing google turned up Mar 03 16:20:22 http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Siproxd Mar 03 16:20:39 n.b. i don't want a particular solution, i just want things to work Mar 03 16:20:47 seriously I'd try netfilter nat/conntrack before proxying/rerouting SIP and RTP Mar 03 16:21:08 bencoh: that article vaguely implies i probably need unencrypted sip Mar 03 16:21:22 ideally (but probably not in reality), my sip should be encrypted :) Mar 03 16:21:22 timeless: correct Mar 03 16:21:41 anyway, a stun server isn't a big pain Mar 03 16:21:47 otherwise you wouldnt be able to fetch the RTP addr/port in the INVITE Mar 03 16:21:48 it's just "yet another annoying step" Mar 03 16:25:13 i have no problem using nfs Mar 03 16:25:16 even with windows Mar 03 16:25:29 though its harder, but doable Mar 03 16:27:47 smb/sftp/afs all seem like better choices than nfs Mar 03 16:27:58 * timeless wonders if anyone recognizes afs Mar 03 16:28:56 andrew, or apple ? Mar 03 16:29:01 andrew Mar 03 16:30:01 although there is apparently a fuse client for the latter called afpfs-ng Mar 03 16:30:24 huhu Mar 03 16:30:46 timeless: not being supported by openwrt could mean it castrated much Mar 03 16:31:08 KotCzarny: that doesn't sound great :) Mar 03 18:33:01