**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 04 02:59:58 2015 Mar 04 03:00:06 Oksana, I have low speed at browsing even when using offline files Mar 04 03:00:21 I would love to use tiddlywiki and just can't afford that :( Mar 04 03:01:00 Crank the CPU speed up Mar 04 03:01:06 (with no scripts in it, no images either) Mar 04 03:01:31 What you do is use PK, and crank it up. Then run a video in mplayer and see if it crashes. If it crashes or your computer crashes, up the voltages Mar 04 03:02:11 robbiethe1st: I already have the power kernel installed, I need an actual program from the repositories I guess Mar 04 03:02:16 You just ajust things until it runs at the speed you want, with the minimum voltage needed to not produce decode errors/crashing, then up it by 2 or 3 values Mar 04 03:02:28 kopple: Not sure whether it helps or not: http://wiki.maemo.org/MicroB_tweaks http://wiki.maemo.org/Location_bar_tricks http://wiki.maemo.org/Internet_bookmarklets http://wiki.maemo.org/Internet_custom_styles Mar 04 03:02:37 https://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking Mar 04 03:04:02 thanks for the help Mar 04 03:04:19 https://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking#Manual_Undervolting_.28Legacy.29 is what I'm talking about Mar 04 03:04:32 I'm oldschool I guess... Mar 04 03:05:32 all these things sound so intriguing Mar 04 03:05:39 And, really... I've had three different N900s since I got my first one, and once I got the voltages dialed in I've never had crashing issues. It'll run for months between reboots Mar 04 03:05:46 I hope I will be up to them when I try Mar 04 03:06:00 My N900s have failed due to USB port problems, the rest of the device is fine. Mar 04 03:06:38 mine hasn't failed in two years and I only flashed it once to get rid of the previous owner's possible tweaks Mar 04 03:07:29 :-) Mar 04 03:07:52 when I get it to work a bit faster maybe I will buy some SD for further storage and have my music library in it Mar 04 03:08:08 I'm biased, but I have backupmenu installed, so I can just reimage things if it gets corrupted Mar 04 03:08:15 of to move to a new device etc. Mar 04 03:08:21 speakers are great, and when headphones are plugged in, as with any Nokia, you get a decent sound Mar 04 03:08:28 robbiethe1st: Do you still have the old devices? Would you like new microUSB ports, to try soldering them? Mar 04 03:09:04 Yes, and already tried. Several times, infact. Mar 04 03:09:52 robbiethe1st, I don't know backupmenu. I still haven't found a way to backup my entire device emmc Mar 04 03:09:52 At this point I'm going to have to use extremely thin wire and run leads from the USB port to the fuse chip and other places Mar 04 03:09:59 backupmenu. Mar 04 03:10:00 It' Mar 04 03:10:06 It's in extras-testing at least Mar 04 03:10:37 Gives you rootfs/optfs backup ability(sd and MyDocs are exposed via usb already) Mar 04 03:11:04 as well as a 'offline' root console you can backup with, USB mass storage mode for the optfs, etc. Mar 04 03:11:47 oh my god, how can it happen? That's unbelievably nice to hear Mar 04 03:11:56 Because I wrote it? Mar 04 03:12:01 :D Mar 04 03:12:12 oh god, congrats Mar 04 03:12:13 I had the same damned problems myself, and figured it out. Back when I had free time Mar 04 03:13:08 I'm writing down things from this IRC session. Tomorrow I will have my n900 change the way it's used to existing. Mar 04 03:13:37 But first I need to backup things Mar 04 03:13:40 The great thing is you can backup the root/opt(which is the entire OS, aside from the kernel) and backup.restore it later Mar 04 03:13:52 so you can just 'reset' back to a known point Mar 04 03:14:39 does it restore at reboot? Mar 04 03:14:59 No Mar 04 03:15:29 The way it works is if you have the keyboard open when (re)booting your N900, you get the backupmenu gui Mar 04 03:15:34 since you wrote it, do you know of any documentation file somewhere for reference? Mar 04 03:15:35 if it's closed, you get Maemo Mar 04 03:16:02 very cunning Mar 04 03:16:24 There's a topic http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Mar 04 03:17:08 Wow... 4.5 years ago... been a long time Mar 04 03:17:12 reminds me of clonezilla in a way.. Mar 04 03:18:40 may it make flashing your phone harder in the future? Mar 04 03:18:54 I mean, since it deals with the booting process itself Mar 04 03:19:03 No Mar 04 03:19:07 and you need to press the U key when flashing Mar 04 03:19:13 No, you don't Mar 04 03:19:40 You have the flasher started, it says waiting. With the N900 /off/, plug it into usb Mar 04 03:19:42 I recall having to keep pressing a key for the flasher to connect Mar 04 03:19:43 It starts to flash Mar 04 03:20:06 maybe it wasn't necessary Mar 04 03:20:13 but I did, I'm sure Mar 04 03:20:16 The n900 is damn near foolproof, it's nigh impossible to break. Mar 04 03:20:22 it's always reflashable Mar 04 03:21:33 Okay, tomorrow I will backup all MyDocs folder and double check my sms and phonebook are actually there Mar 04 03:21:47 then will install backupmenu to get a whole image of my OS Mar 04 03:22:02 and then will overclock the hell out of my arm Mar 04 03:22:11 Yup Mar 04 03:22:44 You should be able to get it up to 1150mhz if you try, but 950 is about where you want to leave it long-term(as a max setting) Mar 04 03:22:53 no, I will just overclock it till it responds faster enough without going past 950MHz and as long as I'm able to set up automatic undervolting Mar 04 03:23:09 indeed Mar 04 03:23:51 I've always set it up as speed-based undervolting; each speed gets it's own voltage. The governor will automatically lower the speed based on load, so you get undervolting that way Mar 04 03:24:15 I have no experience with this smartreflex thing, so you're on your own with that. Mar 04 03:24:35 I still have to study the pages you linked to me Mar 04 03:24:46 I'm new to overclocking phones in general Mar 04 03:25:21 unfortunately I didn't take part in maemo's community when it was still thriving because I bought my n900 only in 2012 Mar 04 03:25:28 or 2013.. Mar 04 03:25:42 yeah Mar 04 03:25:52 when I was compelled to buy a better phone to get at least some wi-fi connection when I'm about Mar 04 03:26:25 so I missed so many steps of the technical growth of this OS Mar 04 03:27:30 I will always refure prioprietary OSes since the advent of social networks and - Android - so I'm going to stick with maemo or do without mobile phones in the first place Mar 04 03:27:45 I wouldn't be terrified by a life without a mobile Mar 04 03:27:58 actually, it would be pretty good Mar 04 03:28:26 but if the market needs and craves for my money they will have to cater for the open-source minds Mar 04 03:29:04 neo900 is way more likely to have my money than any other brand nowadays Mar 04 03:30:18 is it obvious to say in an open-source community? Well, these are my feelings Mar 04 03:32:33 ehehe 4:30 am here XD Mar 04 03:32:59 RzR: Is it for Maemo 5 (Fremantle)?.. https://openrepos.net/content/rzr/flite Mar 04 03:33:17 my tongue is starting twisting too :X Mar 04 03:33:27 will get back to you Mar 04 03:33:37 thanks for your help everyone Mar 04 03:33:44 If it is, then could you please upload this new version to Extras-Devel?.. http://maemo.org/packages/view/flite/ Mar 04 03:34:29 * Oksana hopes that RzR reads this ^ because Oksana will likely forget about it a day later... Mar 04 05:17:31 *yawn* Mar 04 05:54:19 * Oksana : Busy today, busy tomorrow, hurrying the day after tomorrow, going insane during weekend... Mar 04 05:54:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6hL6fkJ1_k like that? Mar 04 06:14:41 Oksana: thx for the hint man. Just placed my mugen orde. 40min still left, if someone is interested. Mar 04 06:14:51 i think oksana is a girls name Mar 04 06:14:52 :) Mar 04 06:14:55 order that is Mar 04 06:15:15 ok should have said thx for the hint person :) Mar 04 06:43:46 sup guys Mar 04 06:43:51 snow Mar 04 06:44:29 i've already asked at #neo900, but does anyone knows where to buy the Nokia Standard Toolkit (aka NMP standard toolkit)? Mar 04 06:44:35 this stuff: http://discussions.nokia.com/discussions/attachments/discussions/apps/55242/1/untitled.JPG Mar 04 06:44:42 *know Mar 04 06:44:56 ebay? Mar 04 06:45:08 my advice also Mar 04 06:45:37 haven't found it there, but i'll search again and let you know Mar 04 06:45:40 thanks Mar 04 06:46:04 this is the closest i've got http://stellatech.com/nokia-ss-210-camera-removal-tool,a,en,817659.html Mar 04 06:46:14 or to buy everything separated Mar 04 06:46:41 (btw, worth checking out the whole category: http://stellatech.com/articles.php?cid=818 ) Mar 04 06:46:57 screwdrivers are not hard to find, but some special tools might be Mar 04 06:47:00 @Vajb what does it include exactly, do you know? Mar 04 06:47:09 maybe neo900 guys should bundle camera removal tool Mar 04 06:47:22 as rest is freely available Mar 04 06:47:46 is it possible to make that tool urself? Mar 04 06:47:56 @KotCzarny sure? that's great Mar 04 06:48:09 http://www.ebay.com/itm/OUTIL-NOKIA-LUMIA-800-EXTRACTEUR-OBJECTIF-PHOTO-NOKIA-CAMERA-REMOVAL-TOOL-/111303280563?pt=FR_Pi%C3%A8ces_de_rechange_outils&hash=item19ea3147b3 Mar 04 06:48:22 you should check for compatibility Mar 04 06:48:35 which phone used same camera as n90 Mar 04 06:48:37 n900 Mar 04 06:51:10 this is one of the two camera removal tools mentioned on the service manuals: http://stellatech.com/nokia-ss-210-camera-removal-tool,a,en,817659.html Mar 04 06:51:27 the other one is named: "SS-100 camera removal tool", haven't found it Mar 04 06:51:38 but looks a lot like the one you found on ebay Mar 04 06:51:56 what's the "AV plug"? it's mentioned on the service manuals, too Mar 04 06:52:02 does anyone know? Mar 04 06:52:20 in some guide it is mentioned that camera is easy to remove with credit card or blunt knife Mar 04 06:52:23 3.5 minijack with many rings Mar 04 06:52:46 ie headphone jack Mar 04 06:52:58 just tried google search "nokia n900 camera removal tool" Mar 04 06:52:59 @KotCzarny oh, you mean the one included with n900? Mar 04 06:53:12 the one you use to connect the phone to the tv? Mar 04 06:53:17 yes Mar 04 06:53:20 great, thanks Mar 04 06:53:21 yes Mar 04 06:53:41 @Vajb i'd rather get the tool for it, i don't wanna risk breaking it Mar 04 06:53:49 also stated on that site is that n79 camera fits Mar 04 06:54:14 yup, i know Mar 04 06:54:18 read that on maemo forums Mar 04 06:54:27 cam is available for purchase here, too http://stellatech.com/nokia-x6-camera-module-5mp,a,en,813734.html Mar 04 06:54:33 camera module, i mean Mar 04 06:55:07 most likely you get tool with module Mar 04 06:55:22 how did u break the module btw? Mar 04 06:55:27 so search for the module, then check descriptions Mar 04 06:55:28 i didn't Mar 04 06:55:36 oh Mar 04 06:55:57 i bought my n900 second hand Mar 04 06:56:03 i c Mar 04 06:56:08 camera works sometimes Mar 04 06:56:13 hmm Mar 04 06:56:17 then "operation error" Mar 04 06:56:24 i've read that focus can break Mar 04 06:56:26 may be a software problem Mar 04 06:56:40 physically break Mar 04 06:56:46 i want the tools because i really like the neo900 project Mar 04 06:57:00 i want a kit to gift to my local hackerspace Mar 04 06:57:05 lobito: suggest bundling the tool to them Mar 04 06:57:09 and one for me to sit and learn from the service manuals Mar 04 06:58:06 KotCzarny: to whom, sorry? i didn't understand Mar 04 06:58:16 bundling the module with the tool? Mar 04 06:58:22 to the sellers, you mean? Mar 04 06:58:28 that'd be a good idea Mar 04 06:58:38 yes Mar 04 06:58:40 i just want the tools for the long run, tho Mar 04 06:58:56 for neo900 and to teach/learn at my local hackerspace Mar 04 06:59:39 i just can't find the whole kit Mar 04 07:00:09 i found this guy searching for the same thing http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Phone-Applications/Nokia-Standard-Toolkit/td-p/1145925 Mar 04 07:00:21 the reply he got made me rage so hard Mar 04 07:00:22 lol Mar 04 07:00:38 maybe ask phone service people? Mar 04 07:01:22 well, he asked in 'apps and services' Mar 04 07:01:23 ;) Mar 04 07:02:14 still, nokia is no more Mar 04 07:02:27 i wouldnt ask anything there Mar 04 07:02:39 yeah, now it's microsoft's Mar 04 07:02:40 especially when it requires any knowledge Mar 04 07:03:08 'we know better, you should pay for repairs' etc Mar 04 07:04:15 i came here hoping to find a current or former nokia employee who has access to the official toolkit case Mar 04 07:05:08 you're right, i'm gonna ask at talk.maemo Mar 04 07:05:15 maybe at buy/sell section Mar 04 07:06:07 http://www.futurtek.com/nokia/nokia-ss-100-camera-removal-tool/ Mar 04 07:06:08 hum Mar 04 07:06:26 wonder if its 'catch all site' or they really sell it Mar 04 07:06:44 nice find! Mar 04 07:06:48 i'm gonna find out Mar 04 07:07:01 thanks :) Mar 04 07:13:56 cheaty fucking site Mar 04 07:14:44 doesn't give you the price even if you register an account Mar 04 07:15:22 yeah, dummy then Mar 04 07:15:31 and if you're a "retail customer" at signup, they redirect you to itstek.com Mar 04 07:15:36 where you can't find ss-100 Mar 04 07:17:57 do you guys think "Buy & Sell" is the proper section to post about this on talk.maemo.org? Mar 04 07:18:09 i think neo900 would be good Mar 04 07:18:38 okay, will do Mar 04 07:23:10 i did also some research, but couldn't find complete kit Mar 04 07:33:49 thanks @Vajb :) Mar 04 07:34:01 this post is relevant http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1275839&postcount=6 Mar 04 07:51:33 Oksana, my repo is m6 only Mar 04 07:54:25 lobito: i still think ur best bet is to buy things separately Mar 04 08:17:49 pulseaudio seems to pop up even if i choose alsa in mplayer Mar 04 08:17:59 but it shouldn't use much cpu Mar 04 08:18:06 in such case Mar 04 08:18:46 because filter is off for headphones Mar 04 08:18:46 also mplayer whines about write error from time to time Mar 04 08:19:00 could be system sound playing ? Mar 04 08:19:18 [AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe9:09.0) 10.1% Mar 04 08:19:18 [AO_ALSA] Trying to reset soundcard. Mar 04 08:19:43 i don't have any sounds in use + device is on silent mode atm Mar 04 08:20:38 pulseaudio use around 8 percent of cpu Mar 04 08:20:43 uses Mar 04 08:21:10 and mplayer around 30 Mar 04 08:21:31 also xorg pops up sometimes staying around 10 mostly Mar 04 08:21:48 also, top isn't super exact on cpu usage Mar 04 08:22:13 my player often shows 0% cpu usage, but it uses ~10-40% Mar 04 08:23:22 and now it hanged Mar 04 08:23:37 guess i'll be using pulse Mar 04 08:23:43 :) Mar 04 08:25:06 but it's about same eventually Mar 04 08:25:20 mplayer uses 5 less and pulse 5 more Mar 04 10:10:18 http://i.imgur.com/cnApAdJ.png Mar 04 10:10:38 nice or not? Mar 04 10:12:37 Vajb: mplayer -quiet/-really-quiet helps, sometimes :) Mar 04 10:12:51 oh, and mplayer -ac mad as well if you're listening to mp3 and have mad Mar 04 10:12:54 (libmad) Mar 04 10:57:37 hmm i think i tried quiet, but then it didn't show time Mar 04 10:57:58 you can selectively quiet mplayer Mar 04 10:58:03 but line is more complicated Mar 04 10:59:02 -msglevel :=:...> Mar 04 10:59:05 man mplayer Mar 04 10:59:53 i don't have libmad. It seems to be using mp3lib by default Mar 04 11:01:36 oh ... Mar 04 11:01:45 I guess we should rebuild mplayer with mad support Mar 04 11:01:59 bencoh: why not with gst decoder/ Mar 04 11:02:01 :) Mar 04 11:02:25 at least for supported formats Mar 04 11:03:09 KotCzarny: because mplayer has no support for gst and I dont really want to add it :) Mar 04 11:03:26 well, ssvb hacked it to use gst for mp3 on 770 Mar 04 11:03:34 so it IS possible Mar 04 11:03:37 sure Mar 04 11:03:45 I didnt say it wasnt Mar 04 11:03:51 as for 'want' does libmad decode on dsp? Mar 04 11:03:55 I just dont want to write it myself Mar 04 11:04:38 no, libmad is a fast soft integer implem Mar 04 11:41:24 moin :) Mar 04 11:42:53 hi Mar 04 12:36:40 Vajb: I benched mplayer with mad against internal mp3lib and ffmp3 Mar 04 12:37:43 for a 94sec mp3 file, time says user:13sec for mad, user:28sec for ffmp3, user:32sec for mp3lib Mar 04 12:38:17 shouldn't you use 'real' number? Mar 04 12:38:29 no, since real will just give me elapsed time :) Mar 04 12:39:53 anyway, top says the same ... mplayer -ao -null -really-quiet uses 30%cpu with mp3lib and 10~15% with mad :) Mar 04 12:39:58 top sucks Mar 04 12:40:07 not *that* much Mar 04 12:40:28 seriously? it consistently says 2% esd 1.5% top and 0% oscp Mar 04 12:40:34 even if i play 320kbit file Mar 04 12:41:05 busybox implementation on maemo sucks Mar 04 12:41:39 btw. you should use 'real' number as some decoders could stall cpu Mar 04 12:41:41 I dont use a busybox top Mar 04 12:42:20 just checked 'normal' top Mar 04 12:42:23 same numbers Mar 04 12:42:54 now tell me, does it really take for my decoder 0% cpu to play mp3? Mar 04 12:44:04 I highly doubt that Mar 04 12:44:08 yup Mar 04 12:44:21 that's why i don't believe top in anything else than memory stats Mar 04 12:44:23 but I dont have that kind of results here (havent tried oscp though) Mar 04 12:44:34 is that on n800 ? Mar 04 12:44:37 yes Mar 04 12:44:43 but i think n900 showed same thing Mar 04 12:44:49 let me check Mar 04 12:45:43 784 1 pulse S < 3796 1.6 28.7 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority Mar 04 12:45:43 8977 8976 root S < 2832 1.2 22.0 oscp Mar 04 12:45:55 256kbit mp3 Mar 04 12:46:15 cpu is at 250mhz Mar 04 12:46:28 (at least according to /proc/cpuinfo) Mar 04 12:47:14 wtf Mar 04 12:47:22 btw. you should disable cpufreq changeing Mar 04 12:47:27 *changes Mar 04 12:47:33 for benchmarks Mar 04 12:47:39 hm, true Mar 04 12:49:11 |> ievas polka (basshunter remix) - Loituma (2007, Ievas Polka CDM, TEAM ZzZz) Mar 04 12:50:44 haha Mar 04 12:53:02 http://i.imgur.com/wrDkAHM.png Mar 04 12:53:09 hah, styled on pc too Mar 04 12:59:56 so im using worst case scenario :) Mar 04 13:00:18 is libmad in repo's? Mar 04 13:00:25 most likely Mar 04 13:00:32 or it need to be compiled to mplayer itself? Mar 04 13:01:09 mplayer -ac help | grep libmad Mar 04 13:01:21 if it prints anything then you only need lib Mar 04 13:01:33 http://muarf.org/~bencoh/maemo/mplayer_1.0svn20091221-4_armel.deb for mplayer, mad, fribidi, and gl1 are in maemo and/or extras Mar 04 13:02:28 though, i think it had to be compiled statically in or ldd mplayer binary should show libmad dependence Mar 04 13:02:29 (I had fribidi and gl1 installed in scratchbox so mplayer chose to enable it ....) Mar 04 13:02:46 KotCzarny: it does, indeed Mar 04 13:03:51 mad libmad working libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3 [libmad] Mar 04 13:04:00 says ur command KotCzarny Mar 04 13:04:09 then check -ac mad or -ac libmad Mar 04 13:04:14 and play the mp3 Mar 04 13:04:31 dunno if http://maemo.org/profile/view/sampp/ is still active (at least he's not here) Mar 04 13:05:07 (he's maemo mplayer maintainer) Mar 04 13:05:32 says cannot find codec Mar 04 13:06:03 bencoh: Last Activity: 2011-10-17 17:44 Mar 04 13:06:06 http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=11486 Mar 04 13:06:08 will get to it later. Now is time to make some food Mar 04 13:06:09 Vajb: mad is not enabled in maemo mplayer, that's why I gave you a link :) Mar 04 13:06:11 assuming it's the same person Mar 04 14:20:09 i don't find madlib from ham nor apt Mar 04 14:20:46 isn't it usually pronounced libmad Mar 04 14:23:19 mad libmad madlib Mar 04 14:23:25 not found Mar 04 14:24:28 apt-cache search mad Mar 04 14:26:09 meh libmad0 Mar 04 14:26:10 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/libm/libmad/ Mar 04 14:26:13 sigh Mar 04 14:26:14 right Mar 04 14:26:22 debianizimz Mar 04 14:26:35 :p Mar 04 14:27:07 about debianizm i installed crunchbang to my desktop Mar 04 14:27:23 what's that? Mar 04 14:27:28 but haven't been able to enable nvidia drivers for it Mar 04 14:27:39 debian based os Mar 04 14:27:51 o.o Mar 04 14:28:05 still looking for your favourite os? Mar 04 14:29:01 still suffering bad hd i guess Mar 04 14:29:22 because from time to time my os gets messed to unbootable state Mar 04 14:29:28 hmm Mar 04 14:29:33 ssd ? Mar 04 14:29:44 bah i wish Mar 04 14:29:54 what does the smart say? Mar 04 14:29:59 try something from ide region :D Mar 04 14:30:23 pastebin.com smartctl -A /dev/sda Mar 04 14:30:28 or whatever your hdd is Mar 04 14:31:01 last time i checked with ultimate boot cd tools it gave some errors but seemed to work Mar 04 14:31:14 nvm it's not on right now Mar 04 14:31:34 since n900 i have less and less of need to have desktop Mar 04 14:31:40 if errors clump in one area make a hole around it via partition table Mar 04 14:32:28 thinking of buying some kind of wifi hd or something Mar 04 14:32:30 or if you prefer not reinstalling you can try making bunch of 100MB files then check for errors Mar 04 14:32:36 and deleting good ones Mar 04 14:33:11 it's from year 2000 :) Mar 04 14:33:19 you can just grab 128gb microsd card and put inside n900 Mar 04 14:33:20 ;) Mar 04 14:33:25 1.3ghz thunderbird Mar 04 14:33:53 not so long ago i got me t61 for ~60eur Mar 04 14:33:55 :) Mar 04 14:33:56 i would need 250gb sd card to fit all my music in it Mar 04 14:34:00 thunderbord? Mar 04 14:34:07 athlon Mar 04 14:34:07 :) Mar 04 14:34:08 isnt that an old AMD Mar 04 14:34:14 yeah Mar 04 14:34:15 it is Mar 04 14:34:18 yes, and slow a bit nowadays Mar 04 14:34:24 i think i had an athlon XP Mar 04 14:34:26 i have two athlons in my closet Mar 04 14:34:29 shh u might upset her Mar 04 14:34:33 thoroughbred i think? Mar 04 14:34:49 can't remember Mar 04 14:35:04 vajb: look for x60/x61/t60/t61 (but watch out for nvidia based ones) Mar 04 14:35:20 i remember when i bought new 250gb hd Mar 04 14:35:21 they go cheap and are very good machines Mar 04 14:35:26 i ran those overclocked for 4 years non-stop... Mar 04 14:35:35 i plugged it and everything went dark Mar 04 14:35:37 my first hdd had 6.4gb and cost ~100eur Mar 04 14:35:38 ;) Mar 04 14:35:52 my first hdd was a quantum Mar 04 14:35:58 dont think they even exist anymore Mar 04 14:35:59 mine was wd caviar Mar 04 14:36:01 old reliable 250w powersupply died with glory Mar 04 14:36:07 quantum fireball Mar 04 14:36:21 13G ftw Mar 04 14:36:35 it couldn't handle hd's startup current which was said to be 32A in label Mar 04 14:36:39 later i was experimenting with cf2ata adapters Mar 04 14:36:57 iops in the 0-10 per second range on random write ;) Mar 04 14:37:20 32A is a tad hardcore? Mar 04 14:37:37 even today rarely you see power brick with such amperage Mar 04 14:38:49 thats alot of power ... in some countries thats the borderline for a 3 phase supply Mar 04 14:39:34 that's what i wondered too Mar 04 14:39:46 but 350w power was enough Mar 04 14:40:03 and that was "max peak startup power" Mar 04 14:40:07 what voltage level? 240/110? Mar 04 14:40:38 12v for hd, but power is plugged to 230v mains Mar 04 14:41:03 if its sucking 350w from a 230 main Mar 04 14:41:14 yeah, hdd alone.. Mar 04 14:41:20 what about rest of stuff Mar 04 14:41:32 vajb: what was the model? Mar 04 14:41:54 maybe western digital or seagate Mar 04 14:41:58 thats only about 1.5 amps... are you sure thats right? Mar 04 14:42:07 maybe it was the model Mar 04 14:42:08 250gb Mar 04 14:42:24 no that sounds about right yeah 1.5 amps Mar 04 14:42:26 for a hd Mar 04 14:42:57 dunno where you got the 32 A value from Mar 04 14:43:09 like i say, it might be the model, not the amperage Mar 04 14:43:26 yeah i say it is theres no way its a 32 A motor Mar 04 14:43:45 especially it's quite modern being 250gb Mar 04 14:43:46 from the label attached to hd Mar 04 14:44:08 but connected to ide not even sata Mar 04 14:44:08 i might say those rll 8"" monsters could draw a bit Mar 04 14:44:11 not not 3.5" Mar 04 14:44:15 even 10krpm Mar 04 14:44:18 so not that modern Mar 04 14:44:24 vajb: still Mar 04 14:44:36 well beats me :) Mar 04 14:44:42 do you still own it? Mar 04 14:44:53 yep Mar 04 14:45:01 if you get a chance write the model Mar 04 14:45:02 :) Mar 04 14:45:10 you dont have to open the case Mar 04 14:45:14 lsscsi could show it Mar 04 14:45:19 does anybody have an iomega Mar 04 14:45:20 or hdparm -I Mar 04 14:45:36 i had iomega zip drive long time ago Mar 04 14:45:54 100mb floppies Mar 04 14:45:55 fun Mar 04 14:45:56 :) Mar 04 14:46:53 i wonder if in the future we could have real cloud storage Mar 04 14:47:00 forget about it Mar 04 14:47:10 unless you dont care about security of your data Mar 04 14:47:17 as in charged clouds in the sky hold data Mar 04 14:47:24 real ftw Mar 04 14:47:36 butterfly effect Mar 04 14:47:40 would destroy it Mar 04 14:47:42 and whenever you wanna download something you hold out a lightning rod Mar 04 14:47:50 nah Mar 04 14:48:02 butterfly effect wouldjust transfer it to another location Mar 04 14:48:06 nope Mar 04 14:48:13 it would rearrange the bits Mar 04 14:48:35 so? thats the exciting part Mar 04 14:48:36 btw. origin gives out free syndicate copies Mar 04 14:51:51 only disk drive i ever had that ran on AC power was an 8" full height drive where its motor ran on 120V AC... long gone now. Mar 04 14:52:15 vroom Mar 04 14:52:26 floppy drive. Mar 04 14:52:45 Before the invention of the power supply unit Mar 04 14:52:54 even half height 8" drives used the molex 5 0 0 12 connector IIRC Mar 04 14:53:57 ST412 and TM503, the oldest drives I ever had, used molex 5 0 0 12 Mar 04 14:54:16 (these were 5.25" HDDs FH) Mar 04 14:54:28 i had quantum bigfoot Mar 04 14:54:32 vrooom Mar 04 14:54:55 held a whopping 10MB and 15MB respectively Mar 04 14:56:26 Actually used rust/iron oxide platters. new hard drives use some cobalt high coercitivity coating or something Mar 04 14:57:32 wikipedia says that at the beginning 14" and 8" driver ran on AC Mar 04 14:57:43 no example models tho Mar 04 14:58:01 I dont recall what full height 8" floppy drive I had but that was true, it did run on AC Mar 04 14:58:16 it was a Shugart brand, IIRC Mar 04 14:58:28 which became seagate... Mar 04 14:58:32 or something like that Mar 04 14:59:23 but the 8" DSDD half height floppy did switch over to DC. Mar 04 15:00:18 8" half height is like the same as 5.25" full height... much like 5.25" half height is the same as 3.5" full height... Mar 04 15:16:24 so u guys have been using computers long time Mar 04 15:16:32 kind of Mar 04 15:16:44 i started with atari in 80's Mar 04 15:16:48 atari 800xl Mar 04 15:16:49 ;) Mar 04 15:17:07 i think i first used mac cos my preliminary school bought them around -89 Mar 04 15:17:24 i never had atari Mar 04 15:17:33 :) Mar 04 15:17:37 tho my friend had amiga 500 but we just played Mar 04 15:17:52 yeah, computers boomed as gaming tools Mar 04 15:17:55 and another friend had commodore 64 Mar 04 15:18:09 i still have 2 amiga 500's Mar 04 15:18:15 wow Mar 04 15:18:18 working! Mar 04 15:18:29 and one poll mode scsi adapter Mar 04 15:18:38 also one friend had amiga 1000 with hd! Mar 04 15:18:44 he was our hero lol Mar 04 15:18:56 :) Mar 04 15:19:52 and now we are having more power than those compined in our pocket Mar 04 15:19:59 yup Mar 04 15:20:02 or is it combined... Mar 04 15:20:08 not to mention storage space Mar 04 15:20:23 yeah that's another story Mar 04 15:20:38 would be funny to play mp3 from floppy Mar 04 15:20:46 128gb that's the size of a 1cm^2 Mar 04 15:20:51 i did! Mar 04 15:20:53 on amiga Mar 04 15:20:54 ;) Mar 04 15:20:59 half way through song and change disk Mar 04 15:21:28 we had ~10kB/s connection in uni Mar 04 15:21:41 ;) Mar 04 15:21:45 lightning speed Mar 04 15:21:50 good enough Mar 04 15:21:51 ;) Mar 04 15:22:19 my 56kbps mode sometimes reached speeds near 8kbps Mar 04 15:22:29 according to some download accelerator program Mar 04 15:22:39 100cps? Mar 04 15:22:39 ;) Mar 04 15:22:50 1000 Mar 04 15:22:57 think it was download accelerator + Mar 04 15:23:12 good times, fun times Mar 04 15:23:25 yeah Mar 04 15:23:48 is n900 somewhere round ps1? Mar 04 15:23:57 faster i think Mar 04 15:24:06 but ps1 had more optimized software Mar 04 15:24:15 hardware in n900 is hardly used.. Mar 04 15:24:19 can't remember exact specs for it Mar 04 15:24:32 also, you can't directly compare playstation platform to x86 Mar 04 15:24:47 true Mar 04 15:25:06 MIPS R3000A-compatible 32-Bit RISC CPU with 5KB L1 cache, running at 33.8688 MHz .[9] Mar 04 15:25:07 :) Mar 04 15:25:39 not so much Mar 04 15:25:53 but it has many specialized chips Mar 04 15:25:53 anyone tried any psemu on n900? Mar 04 15:26:08 vajb: yeah, also uae Mar 04 15:26:13 it was king back in the 95 Mar 04 15:26:29 i've used only snes emu Mar 04 15:26:40 http://pupnik.de/software.html Mar 04 15:26:58 Yes it's real. No it's not fast. I get about 0.7-1.3 fps on 770. Mar 04 15:26:58 This is a proof-of-feasability project to show that PS1 emulation is possible and doesn't take up too much RAM. Mar 04 15:26:59 hehe Mar 04 15:27:11 ps1 emu on 770 Mar 04 15:27:50 not too playable i guess :p Mar 04 15:27:57 you know what 770 is? Mar 04 15:27:59 :) Mar 04 15:28:13 granddad of n900 Mar 04 15:28:23 yeah i guessed Mar 04 15:28:37 was n800 after that? Mar 04 15:28:49 yes Mar 04 15:28:52 then n810 Mar 04 15:29:00 which was basically n800 with keyboard Mar 04 15:29:36 hmm after installing bencoh version of mplayer ham claims that there is update Mar 04 15:29:38 And GPS Mar 04 15:29:53 inz, and wimax in some versions Mar 04 15:29:59 but cpu/ram was the same Mar 04 15:30:03 when was n900 first published? Mar 04 15:30:07 2008 i think Mar 04 15:30:08 or 2009 Mar 04 15:30:11 2007? Mar 04 15:30:49 but to be honest n800 has enough specs to make nice media player Mar 04 15:30:49 i remember my friend having it at 2007 Mar 04 15:31:02 or is there possibility to mix it with some other device Mar 04 15:31:08 Release date Mar 04 15:31:11 11 November 2009 Mar 04 15:31:22 he could have got developer version Mar 04 15:31:24 or something Mar 04 15:31:52 Nokia N900 was announced on 17 September 2008 Mar 04 15:31:57 ok Mar 04 15:32:01 so definitely not earlier than that Mar 04 15:32:12 The release of the pre-alpha Maemo 5 software development kit, in December 2008 Mar 04 15:32:13 so my memory palace is even more messy than my hobbydesk Mar 04 15:32:28 The first photo and specifications of the N900, codenamed Rover while being developed, came out in May 2009 Mar 04 15:32:46 no. He got it with sim card and data plan Mar 04 15:32:56 as a regular user Mar 04 15:33:11 then not earlier than december 2009 Mar 04 15:35:08 hmm im puzzled Mar 04 15:35:22 n810 was black a bit Mar 04 15:35:24 it can't have been 810 coz it's not phone Mar 04 15:35:31 n810 had wimax Mar 04 15:35:34 in some versions Mar 04 15:35:44 normal gsm Mar 04 15:36:11 then your memory is flunky Mar 04 15:36:12 bbl food is ready Mar 04 15:45:08 Vajb: does it work, apart from ham bitching about version ? Mar 04 15:45:15 (I dont really see why it would complain but ...) Mar 04 15:47:56 apt-get says it's upgradable as well, but apt-cache policy shows the exact same version number Mar 04 16:39:14 i dont know why ham whines about it Mar 04 16:39:28 it appeared as same version when i installed Mar 04 16:39:56 it works. Can't say anything about efficiency unless i test it longer Mar 04 16:40:15 meaning battery consumption Mar 04 16:40:40 do u use alsa or pulse with it? Mar 04 16:41:22 i tested with pulse and it seemed to use more cpu than default codec Mar 04 16:41:32 tho mplayer used less Mar 04 16:43:36 dumpstream seems to use only 2 percent Mar 04 16:43:47 because it doesnt use audio system Mar 04 16:43:51 but i didn't test it earlier Mar 04 16:43:56 true Mar 04 16:44:08 ie. similar usage as wget Mar 04 16:45:52 ham shows exactly same version and claims that it is upgradeable Mar 04 16:46:06 you know that version string is long? Mar 04 16:46:25 0.8-0osso28diablo2 Mar 04 16:46:27 etc Mar 04 16:46:31 well it does show maybe ten characters Mar 04 16:50:14 for best comparison use apt-get or dpkg to check Mar 04 16:50:25 1.0svn20091221-4 Mar 04 17:01:19 Vajb: yeah that's amazing how pulse uses more cpu when using -ao pulse, compared to default (alsa) Mar 04 17:01:33 bencoh, 2xfft Mar 04 17:01:36 +magic Mar 04 17:59:18 -ao pulse? Mar 04 19:11:39 kerio: mplayer -ao pulse Mar 04 19:18:40 KotCzarny: on maemo5/n900 alsa wraps a pulse compat layer, afaik Mar 04 19:18:54 hmm Mar 04 19:19:02 so ... it's definitely funny :) Mar 04 19:19:09 lightly said Mar 04 19:19:14 i would said it's braindamaged Mar 04 19:19:18 *say Mar 04 19:19:38 dunno why -ao pulse needs more cpu ... maybe a different samplerate Mar 04 19:19:45 or float vs integer Mar 04 19:19:56 pulse goes through mixing Mar 04 19:20:09 ie. many to one Mar 04 19:20:23 mplayer says it's the same output conf, so .... Mar 04 19:20:31 dunno Mar 04 19:20:32 hm? Mar 04 19:20:41 maybe it ignored you Mar 04 19:20:52 44.1khz/2ch/s16le Mar 04 19:21:02 ahm, you mean params Mar 04 19:21:13 yeah Mar 04 19:21:27 but think about it Mar 04 19:21:42 if pulse opens alsa, it has to resample all input streams Mar 04 19:21:57 it can't just open alsa and request some custom rate Mar 04 19:22:07 pulse doesnt open alsa Mar 04 19:22:08 so maybe it resamples EVERYTHING to 48khz Mar 04 19:22:11 alsa opens pulse Mar 04 19:22:20 oh, hmm ... Mar 04 19:22:20 cant be true Mar 04 19:22:24 I see what you mean Mar 04 19:22:34 otherwise you wouldnt damage speakers using alsa direclty Mar 04 19:22:54 but still, userland "alsa" goes through pulse Mar 04 19:22:56 on normal systems alsa does reampling too Mar 04 19:23:11 i shall test it one day Mar 04 19:23:13 maybe tomorrow Mar 04 19:28:03 pulsse is even pc bad idea alsa always... Mar 04 19:28:23 bad speakers much? Mar 04 19:29:10 alsa clean pulse virtual changge them... Mar 04 19:29:32 language much parser fail Mar 04 19:31:01 pulse is some kind of frontend at alsa... Mar 04 19:31:11 it's much more than that Mar 04 19:32:17 it uses alsa and virtually add special efects resample etc... if any problems with sount propably pulse fault... Mar 04 19:32:42 sound* Mar 04 19:32:56 pulse does: 1/ highpass filter (to protect device speakers damage) Mar 04 19:33:10 2/ manage volumes in input streams Mar 04 19:33:26 (so phone has different volume than media player etc) Mar 04 19:33:41 all what You need made by pulse able to do with clean alsa... Mar 04 19:33:45 and different for different profiles (headphone/speakers) Mar 04 19:34:52 KotCzarny: yea it virtually multiplexing sound per app, but it consume cpu bc its virtually made... Mar 04 19:35:23 yup Mar 04 19:35:37 fail on nokia's side for not getting decent hw audio Mar 04 19:36:11 for n900 pulse little hard, bc of cpu usage... Mar 04 19:36:51 and also one disadventage if not wrong it dont use dsp acceleration sadly... Mar 04 19:36:52 if you never use device speakers, yes, you can ignore pulse Mar 04 19:37:26 direct alsa too not able use dsp hw acceleration... Mar 04 19:39:53 in theory not able to broke speakers, needed redirect really long time and overvoltage signal, normal speakers able to connect into 220v w/o harming... Mar 04 20:07:45 htm Mar 04 20:07:53 pygtk doesnt support transparent text Mar 04 20:07:56 o.o Mar 04 20:18:32 N900 was considered "fast enough", so mp3 decoding on dsp wasn't included Mar 04 20:18:45 pity Mar 04 20:18:52 on the previous N800 and N810, dsp was used for mp3 Mar 04 21:13:03 some work in progress: winamp skin loaded by oscp: http://i.imgur.com/GH1h4qo.png Mar 04 21:13:05 :) Mar 04 21:15:18 whoa, slow down bud :3 Mar 04 21:16:25 so, good idea/bad idea? Mar 04 21:17:09 looks great Mar 04 21:17:24 but this would be only for pc gui? Mar 04 21:17:29 rite? Mar 04 21:17:31 nope Mar 04 21:17:34 it's pygtk Mar 04 21:17:38 so independent Mar 04 21:17:53 okok, but how do you manage playlist on n900 then? Mar 04 21:18:08 you click 'open playlist' button, right? Mar 04 21:18:19 then playlist window would pop up Mar 04 21:18:28 err, ok Mar 04 21:18:49 lots of work (?) Mar 04 21:19:01 and of course you can always set style_me to different value Mar 04 21:19:17 and get previous behavior Mar 04 21:19:32 a bit, but so far doable Mar 04 21:19:53 i have to investigate where does those single pixel offset come from Mar 04 21:19:57 so oscp would be 100% old winamp skins compatible? Mar 04 21:20:00 oh, btw ... something that I think might interest some of the n900 users here : https://www.xpra.org/ Mar 04 21:20:31 not 100% but will get as much stuff from the skin file as it needs Mar 04 21:20:44 (the "screen" equivalent to ssh -X, as they call it) Mar 04 21:21:12 i think it was called remote computing Mar 04 21:21:24 but nice idea Mar 04 21:22:25 but.. Mar 04 21:22:31 it still runs vfb Mar 04 21:22:50 i thought maybe someone managed to connect/disconnect x server at will Mar 04 21:22:53 oh well Mar 04 21:23:12 how different it is from nx from nomachine for example? Mar 04 21:23:15 still nice to be able to leave app running there Mar 04 21:23:28 even after disconnecting Mar 04 21:24:06 totalizator: it works at a different level Mar 04 21:24:29 Nomachine/NX allows you to open/reattach a session Mar 04 21:24:54 xpra allows you to run a single X app and dettach/attach Mar 04 21:25:13 oh, that's nice, I love such stuff Mar 04 21:25:19 have to try it Mar 04 21:25:46 KotCzarny: I'm not sure there is a vfb involved here Mar 04 21:25:57 bencoh: check their faq Mar 04 21:26:36 oh, right Mar 04 21:27:01 now that's sad Mar 04 21:28:47 and why is that? Mar 04 21:30:42 because it works by sending (and encoding/decoding) a framebuffer to the client Mar 04 21:31:05 ie. another vnc Mar 04 21:31:12 instead of drawing primitives/calls and fragments Mar 04 21:31:21 and tightvnc already is quite optimized Mar 04 21:34:42 http://i.imgur.com/scYmrn8.png Mar 04 21:34:43 :) Mar 04 21:35:07 *teases* Mar 04 21:35:07 eww :] Mar 04 21:35:17 yeah, colorshocker Mar 04 21:35:26 but wanted to check with random skin Mar 04 21:35:27 :) Mar 04 21:37:11 oh, I see Mar 04 21:37:23 KotCzarny: lel, something less retro maybe? Mar 04 21:37:52 when i finish with it you will be able to select any classic winamp skin you want Mar 04 21:38:15 anyway, enough for today, nite nite Mar 04 21:40:32 o/ Mar 04 21:55:16 Okay, what's the topic of March Photograph competition? Mar 04 21:56:21 I was wondering as well Mar 04 21:57:17 pichlo and chenliangchen : Where are you? Mar 04 23:24:56 hi, is there a dump of maemo.org's wiki in a form compatible with Evopedia? Mar 04 23:25:58 it would be nice to bring it along for offline usage Mar 04 23:28:01 I had researched Evopedia's format myself in the past but couldn't find anything useful around. So probably the only way to know how to build such a dump would be inspecting the program source code, which I'm not able to unfortunately. Maybe somebody already knows here? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 05 02:59:59 2015