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Apr 29 07:08:01 <pentanol> hi there
Apr 29 07:08:17 <pentanol> could someone suggest app for image viewing?
Apr 29 07:09:01 <pentanol> I need make pictures bigger sometimes when I look on it and default app can't make this.
Apr 29 07:43:49 <sixwheeledbeast> Is there much call for an image viewer on Maemo? Sounds like a nice little project for someone.
Apr 29 07:44:40 <KotCzarny> i have one, but unreleased
Apr 29 07:45:02 <KotCzarny> can view png,jpg,gif(animated),bmp,xpm,pdf etc
Apr 29 07:45:15 <KotCzarny> as usual, fast and convenient
Apr 29 07:45:30 <KotCzarny> and low on dependencies
Apr 29 07:51:32 <KotCzarny> and tiff
Apr 29 07:51:51 <KotCzarny> and most likely any other format if i ever need one
Apr 29 08:01:34 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: FOSS? 
Apr 29 08:02:42 <sixwheeledbeast> If there's a good one in the repos I won't look into a Qt one.
Apr 29 08:02:51 <Wizzup> feh? ;)
Apr 29 08:03:16 <KotCzarny> swb: free, yes, but havent' decided if oss
Apr 29 08:03:36 <Wizzup> not sure if it is worth mentioning then ;)
Apr 29 08:03:40 <KotCzarny> and no qt/gtk dep
Apr 29 08:03:51 <KotCzarny> wizzup, have you tried my oscp player?
Apr 29 08:05:03 <KotCzarny> i wrote one because no other player was able to do everything i needed media player to do
Apr 29 08:05:06 <KotCzarny> and the way i wanted
Apr 29 08:05:14 <KotCzarny> same story with that pic viewer
Apr 29 08:06:11 <Wizzup> I only install (f)oss, so ind if it is, but I probably didn't
Apr 29 08:06:20 <Wizzup> I don't use my n900 vor animated media
Apr 29 08:06:23 <Wizzup> for*
Apr 29 08:06:33 <KotCzarny> wizzup, yeah, tell me about your foss device drivers
Apr 29 08:07:25 <KotCzarny> wizzup, everyone who tried oscp liked it
Apr 29 08:07:49 <Wizzup> that is irrelevant, I don't need it
Apr 29 08:08:09 <KotCzarny> just saying about 'worth mentioning' argument
Apr 29 08:08:29 <Wizzup> if it is not foss, I am not interested
Apr 29 08:08:44 <Wizzup> that some drivers are currently closed is not relevant either
Apr 29 08:08:48 <KotCzarny> yeah, but as i said, your device contains closed binaries anyway
Apr 29 08:09:08 <KotCzarny> its either 100% foss or is irrelevant
Apr 29 08:09:16 <Wizzup> not at all
Apr 29 08:09:32 <Wizzup> that's quite black-and-white
Apr 29 08:09:33 <KotCzarny> and even then, silicon can have 'bugs'
Apr 29 08:09:45 <Wizzup> so?
Apr 29 08:09:51 <KotCzarny> so your argument is invalid
Apr 29 08:10:05 <Wizzup> my argument is being twisted into oblivion by you
Apr 29 08:10:14 <KotCzarny> not at all
Apr 29 08:10:18 <Wizzup> lmao
Apr 29 08:10:18 <bencoh> KotCzarny: closed "core"/base blobs vs closed third-party apps
Apr 29 08:10:21 <Wizzup> have a good day
Apr 29 08:10:22 <KotCzarny> you cant have 99.9% foss
Apr 29 08:10:48 <KotCzarny> it's either 100% or your device (might be|is) already owned
Apr 29 08:11:07 <Wizzup> This has nothing to do with owned
Apr 29 08:11:16 <Wizzup> point in case, misrepresenting my argument
Apr 29 08:11:41 <Wizzup> my device is already owned by the shm closed modem
Apr 29 08:11:43 <KotCzarny> point in case of being too vague in argumenting
Apr 29 08:11:49 <Wizzup> hahaha
Apr 29 08:13:26 <bencoh> Wizzup: not on n900
Apr 29 08:13:58 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: maybe we can build something on top of sxiv or feh (both in extras-devel)
Apr 29 08:14:10 <bencoh> they're quite lightweight
Apr 29 08:29:58 <zGrr> moin :)
Apr 29 09:12:46 <Openbot> sixwheeledbeast kotczarny image viewer on maemo is apita i exclusively use fcam mostly just for the shake of imageviewer as that is lightning fast
Apr 29 09:14:09 <bencoh> fcam is "lighting fast" only because it loads the pre-scaled thumbnail in the RAW file
Apr 29 09:14:46 <Openbot> downside is images are in the range of 10.6 mb each so much space is wasted but still when showing photos to someone it just works 
Apr 29 09:15:04 <bencoh> until you start zooming on a few photos
Apr 29 09:15:16 <Openbot> bencoh zooming is fast too but uninitutive
Apr 29 09:15:27 <bencoh> it will slow down after a few pictures
Apr 29 09:15:40 <Openbot> takes a sec or so to zoom
Apr 29 09:15:54 <KotCzarny> are we talking about cam app or pic viewer?
Apr 29 09:16:04 <bencoh> pic viewer
Apr 29 09:16:11 <Openbot> na i am using it for long no slow downs here
Apr 29 09:16:17 <bencoh> but Openbot brough fcam up
Apr 29 09:16:30 <bencoh> (and yeah, it's not a picture viewer :)
Apr 29 09:16:32 <Openbot> kotczarny pic viewer 
Apr 29 09:17:11 <Openbot> i hate to call the stock photo viewer a photo viewer
Apr 29 09:17:54 <Openbot> its nice but switching through photos is a pain
Apr 29 09:19:03 <Openbot> kotczarny i think you should release your app someday
Apr 29 09:19:11 <Openbot> maybe its nice
Apr 29 09:19:15 <KotCzarny> it is
Apr 29 09:19:25 <Openbot> i dont believe
Apr 29 09:19:46 <KotCzarny> just i dont have time/motivation to pack it into a deb (as usual)
Apr 29 09:20:00 <Openbot> dont get offended but there are heck a lot but all a pita
Apr 29 09:20:07 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 29 09:20:14 <KotCzarny> thats why i wrote my own
Apr 29 09:20:23 <Openbot> my god
Apr 29 09:21:03 <Openbot> i choose softmeng as career
Apr 29 09:21:13 <Openbot> typo
Apr 29 09:21:21 <Openbot> soft engg
Apr 29 09:22:01 <Openbot> lol
Apr 29 09:23:59 <Openbot> what features your app has ? does it intregate with system can it be set as default viewer 
Apr 29 09:24:11 <KotCzarny> define 'integrate'
Apr 29 09:24:31 <KotCzarny> because most integration is done via assigning filetype
Apr 29 09:24:33 <Openbot> i.e ability to share images
Apr 29 09:24:53 <Openbot> via sharing plugins
Apr 29 09:24:56 <KotCzarny> never needed one, could be written if one needs
Apr 29 09:25:04 <Openbot> aha
Apr 29 09:25:52 <Openbot> little editing features ike cropping brightness contrast resizing
Apr 29 09:26:27 <KotCzarny> same
Apr 29 09:26:34 <KotCzarny> its a picture viewer, not editor
Apr 29 09:26:44 <KotCzarny> but given enough need, can be easily done
Apr 29 09:27:49 <Openbot> sure but they are essential and its for granted in most image viewers 
Apr 29 09:28:22 <KotCzarny> no, they are essential for camera app
Apr 29 09:28:30 <KotCzarny> pics are already prepared
Apr 29 09:28:37 <Openbot> camera app ??
Apr 29 09:28:48 <KotCzarny> yeah, if your source material is 'raw'
Apr 29 09:29:16 <Openbot> na fcam also saves jpg
Apr 29 09:29:37 <KotCzarny> if you download pictures from internet, they are usually already 'done'
Apr 29 09:30:00 <Openbot> and as you brought up it should show raw files too
Apr 29 09:30:39 <KotCzarny> no, i meant raw as taken from angle or badly prepared scene
Apr 29 09:31:11 <Openbot> you dont get it what if i want to crop a part then upload or just increase the contrast so that loolks pretty on device
Apr 29 09:31:19 <Openbot> aha
Apr 29 09:31:45 <KotCzarny> as i said, you usually edit/share pics taken by yourself via cam
Apr 29 09:32:16 <KotCzarny> picture viewer is for viewing generic pictures/images
Apr 29 09:32:26 <Openbot> humm you are going jpg vs raw 
Apr 29 09:32:58 <Openbot> ok leave raw behind 
Apr 29 09:33:05 <Openbot> :p
Apr 29 09:33:09 <KotCzarny> no, as i said, it was about raw source, not raw as .raw
Apr 29 09:33:47 <Openbot> clarify pls i dont get a word ?
Apr 29 09:34:41 <pentanol> Im still looking for pictures viewer with zoom support.
Apr 29 09:34:58 <KotCzarny> oscv has zoom support
Apr 29 09:35:00 <Openbot> i am not talking something like gimp just things like which are present in stock viewer
Apr 29 09:35:17 <Openbot> oscv nice name
Apr 29 09:35:30 <KotCzarny> yeah, it started from osc app
Apr 29 09:35:39 <Openbot> humm
Apr 29 09:35:43 <KotCzarny> which is a simple oscilloscope with pixel engine
Apr 29 09:36:05 <Openbot> oscp gained some traction
Apr 29 09:36:06 <KotCzarny> then i just added diff formats and bam, picture viewer
Apr 29 09:36:14 <KotCzarny> oscp is a audio player
Apr 29 09:36:19 <Wizzup> feh does all this
Apr 29 09:36:39 <Openbot> i am lisining on oscp now too
Apr 29 09:36:40 <Wizzup> and is fast and lightweight
Apr 29 09:36:53 <Openbot> feh ?
Apr 29 09:36:59 <KotCzarny> picture viewer
Apr 29 09:37:16 <bencoh> feh isnt that fast on n900, but it's "good enough"
Apr 29 09:37:29 <Openbot> let me check where on mother earth is that
Apr 29 09:37:39 <bencoh> and it's not really touchscreen friendly, unfortunately
Apr 29 09:37:54 <Openbot> humm
Apr 29 09:39:02 <Openbot> kotczarny download fcam take some shots swipe up and try scrolling fast
Apr 29 09:39:15 <Openbot> you will feel it
Apr 29 09:39:21 <KotCzarny> feel what?
Apr 29 09:39:45 <pentanol> KotCzarny in what repo oscv exists?
Apr 29 09:39:51 <Openbot> switching speed of pics i.e fastest on maemo
Apr 29 09:40:14 <Openbot> i am waiting for oscv
Apr 29 09:40:25 <Openbot> to change that
Apr 29 09:41:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 09:42:05 <Openbot> also does it open fast like stock viewer
Apr 29 09:42:38 <bencoh> stock viewer "opens fast" because it runs in the background
Apr 29 09:42:49 <Openbot> but pls intregate sharing functions as found in stock viewer
Apr 29 09:42:50 <bencoh> like the browser, or the rtcom UIs
Apr 29 09:43:06 <Openbot> preload stuff u mean
Apr 29 09:43:20 <bencoh> yeah you can call that "preloading"
Apr 29 09:44:03 <Openbot> my netbook got a speed boost after installing preload demon
Apr 29 09:45:00 <pentanol> KotCzarny could you give a link to oscv?
Apr 29 09:45:32 <Openbot> pentanol its unreleased
Apr 29 09:45:51 <Openbot> and no torrents for noe ?p
Apr 29 09:48:06 <Openbot> next if only someone adds flash support and terrible shutter lag in fcam as explaind in garage 
Apr 29 09:48:18 <Openbot> my n900 would fly
Apr 29 09:48:49 <Openbot> high
Apr 29 09:48:50 <bencoh> the shutter lag is a tough one
Apr 29 09:49:21 <bencoh> as explained on the fcam documentation, it's because of the resolution switch handling in the v4l drivers
Apr 29 09:49:54 <Openbot> i don't know i read it coudnt get a thing but there are poeople who know better
Apr 29 09:50:24 <bencoh> so you'd need to either 1. patch the underlying v4l drivers, or 2. use max res for the preview shots
Apr 29 09:50:51 <bencoh> 1. would need some work
Apr 29 09:50:55 <Openbot> also if i read it correct then fixed resolution of 640 would do
Apr 29 09:51:01 <bencoh> 2. would be slow (the camera cant go higher than 12fps at max res iirc) and take more memory
Apr 29 09:51:48 <Openbot> memory should not be a issue if fcam perfoms well
Apr 29 09:51:51 <bencoh> s/be slow/feel slow/
Apr 29 09:51:52 <infobot> bencoh meant: 2. would feel slow (the camera cant go higher than 12fps at max res iirc) and take more memory
Apr 29 09:52:26 <Openbot> seriously stock app feels crap now
Apr 29 09:53:01 <Openbot> stock app only used when something fast is to be shot
Apr 29 09:53:45 <Openbot> and i love the image viewer too :p
Apr 29 09:54:33 <Openbot> kotczarny big question is it touch friendly
Apr 29 09:56:22 <Openbot> things like cutetubes player fcams viewer are exceptional
Apr 29 09:57:27 <Openbot> bye
Apr 29 11:12:30 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: Many don't use the non-free repo because they feel strongly about open software. I don't have many non-free apps. Maybe SMM10 that's it.
Apr 29 11:17:05 <sixwheeledbeast> There was plenty of non-free crap in Ovi which not many used, me and pichlo made 'bander' to replace 'resistors' offscreen app.
Apr 29 11:19:58 <sixwheeledbeast> Touch friendly and Maemo styling would be important. Also is the stock app FOSS? Can the stock app be replaced via CSSU easily?
Apr 29 11:41:05 <sixwheeledbeast> As bencho says stock one is preloaded eating your RAM, so if it was to be replaced I would want to loose the stock one from being in memory. 
Apr 29 11:42:08 <sixwheeledbeast> Come to thing of it, browser being in memory would be annoying too if the browser was replaced.
Apr 29 11:42:14 <sixwheeledbeast> s/thing/think/
Apr 29 11:42:14 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast meant: Come to think of it, browser being in memory would be annoying too if the browser was replaced.
Apr 29 11:43:33 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: you can prevent both of them to be preloaded
Apr 29 11:43:55 <bencoh> erm, you can prevent image-viewer, browserd is still needed for rtcom-ui*
Apr 29 11:43:58 <sixwheeledbeast> but they hang around if loaded?
Apr 29 11:44:01 <bencoh> rtcom-*-ui
Apr 29 11:44:14 <bencoh> no
Apr 29 11:44:47 <sixwheeledbeast> ah yes I remember this now, browserd needed for call-ui
Apr 29 11:44:54 <bencoh> there are a few other preloaded apps on maemo, I "disabled" a few here
Apr 29 11:45:08 <bencoh> there is a single line to change/remove in the desktop file iirc
Apr 29 11:47:05 <bencoh> X-Maemo-Prestarted in /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop
Apr 29 11:56:58 <freemangordon_> guys, programs being "preloaded" is not that bad, as soon as RAM is needed, their executable pages are evicted
Apr 29 11:57:05 <freemangordon_> and data is swapped
Apr 29 11:57:34 <bencoh> true
Apr 29 11:57:51 <freemangordon_> also, iirc, broswerd gets SIGSTOP when not needed
Apr 29 11:58:19 <freemangordon_> *browserd
Apr 29 12:04:13 <sixwheeledbeast> hmm, ok. freemangordon_ do you have an opinion on image-viewer? and how easy a replacement could drop in. if one was found/made.
Apr 29 12:14:53 <KotCzarny> freemangordon_: whats the point then? more swap churning?
Apr 29 12:17:53 <freemangordon_> KotCzarny: the point is that symbol resolution would not take place when the executable is needed
Apr 29 12:18:16 <KotCzarny> best way would be creating software that is slim 
Apr 29 12:18:21 <freemangordon_> faster startup ;)
Apr 29 12:18:28 <freemangordon_> it is already slim
Apr 29 12:18:36 <KotCzarny> slimmer!
Apr 29 12:18:48 <KotCzarny> dos only needs 512kB
Apr 29 12:18:58 <KotCzarny> and can run word
Apr 29 12:18:59 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 29 12:19:04 <KotCzarny> well, kind of
Apr 29 12:19:13 <freemangordon_> sixwheeledbeast: if it is GTK, then it should be ok. I doubt Qt replacement will do it better
Apr 29 12:19:45 <freemangordon_> or even on par
Apr 29 12:19:45 <KotCzarny> ive always perveived qt as a memory hod
Apr 29 12:19:51 <freemangordon_> it is
Apr 29 12:19:52 <KotCzarny> *hog
Apr 29 12:20:13 <freemangordon_> but is waaaay easier than gtk to program with
Apr 29 12:20:26 <freemangordon_> at least to me
Apr 29 12:20:49 <KotCzarny> size vs convenience
Apr 29 12:21:01 <KotCzarny> on n900 its unfortunatelly size
Apr 29 12:21:07 <KotCzarny> so smart apps are needed
Apr 29 12:21:51 <KotCzarny> lcuk started writing his own toolkit
Apr 29 12:21:52 <freemangordon_> sixwheeledbeast: BTW, what about image-viewer? is that the last non-foss application to deal with?
Apr 29 12:21:55 <bencoh> actually image-viewer isnt that slow ... it just doesnt "feel smooth"
Apr 29 12:21:58 <KotCzarny> pity he didnt have a chance to finish :/
Apr 29 12:22:13 <freemangordon_> bencoh: smooth?
Apr 29 12:22:13 <sixwheeledbeast> Yep, I understand Qt has a lot of libs, but many packages use it anyway.
Apr 29 12:22:51 <freemangordon_> bencoh: comeon, it is not IV itself, it is the HW behind it
Apr 29 12:22:57 <bencoh> freemangordon_: yeah, the UI ... you know, when you move/swipe between pictures you have this perceptible "stutter"
Apr 29 12:23:04 <bencoh> maybe
Apr 29 12:23:07 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon_: No, it was just on topic that image-viewer was pants and pretty much useless.
Apr 29 12:23:17 <sixwheeledbeast> I have no idea on ~closed status
Apr 29 12:23:20 <freemangordon_> useless?
Apr 29 12:23:21 <sixwheeledbeast> ~closed
Apr 29 12:23:21 <infobot> it has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900
Apr 29 12:23:54 <sixwheeledbeast> well no features you would expect from a image-viewer. Zoom for example.
Apr 29 12:24:18 <bencoh> it can zoom but it doesnt feel natural either
Apr 29 12:24:21 <freemangordon_> wait, what? you can zoom in image-viewer. as well as rotate, crop, etc, etc
Apr 29 12:25:02 <Wizzup> I doubt qt will be the main memory overhead.
Apr 29 12:25:24 <sixwheeledbeast> [[pentanol: I need make pictures bigger sometimes when I look on it and default app can't make this.]]
Apr 29 12:25:47 <freemangordon_> oh, you meant resize?
Apr 29 12:26:14 <Wizzup> you can zoom in
Apr 29 12:26:57 <freemangordon_> Wizzup: unless someone implements launcher for qt apps the same way as for gtk, qt applications startup times will be alwasys 2-3 times bigger than gtk 
Apr 29 12:27:25 <bencoh> freemangordon_: hm, how would that work, by the way (qt launcher) ?
Apr 29 12:27:25 <freemangordon_> take  clock-ui for example
Apr 29 12:27:28 <Wizzup> startup times are again very different from memory overhead
Apr 29 12:27:42 <freemangordon_> oh, it is the same this time
Apr 29 12:28:02 <freemangordon_> bencoh: you know maemo launcher?
Apr 29 12:28:14 <freemangordon_> applications are basically compiled as .so files
Apr 29 12:28:53 <freemangordon_> and then launcher forks, without need to load the needed libraries every time.
Apr 29 12:29:03 <freemangordon_> that saves both memory and CPU
Apr 29 12:29:21 <bencoh> common libraries should already be loaded ... is it about initialization ?
Apr 29 12:29:26 <freemangordon_> yes
Apr 29 12:29:46 <bencoh> is maemo-launcher opensource ?
Apr 29 12:29:49 <freemangordon_> sure
Apr 29 12:30:04 <freemangordon_> and there is even a sample Qt preloader
Apr 29 12:30:10 <freemangordon_> or whatever it is called
Apr 29 12:30:28 <freemangordon_> http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch07.html
Apr 29 12:32:18 <freemangordon_> bencoh: https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-launcher/source/5148012f57a924472399f11454a3780a86b8afbd:
Apr 29 12:32:40 <bencoh> thx (fetched in sb already :)
Apr 29 12:33:45 <bencoh> oooh, it's supposed to be modular and support different "booster module"
Apr 29 12:33:57 <freemangordon_> :nod:
Apr 29 12:34:09 <bencoh> and there is a booster_qt.c
Apr 29 12:34:30 <freemangordon_> yep, but it is empty
Apr 29 12:34:39 <bencoh> which looks like a placeholder
Apr 29 12:34:40 <bencoh> yeah
Apr 29 12:39:52 <bencoh> does it need anything from the app (apart from being built with correct flags ?)
Apr 29 12:40:14 <freemangordon_> no
Apr 29 12:40:25 <bencoh> it looks like everything should be taken care of, but ...
Apr 29 12:40:39 <freemangordon_> just make sure it exports only main() and all other symbols are static
Apr 29 12:46:10 <sixwheeledbeast> so something can be done to make qt apps load faster?
Apr 29 12:47:36 <bencoh> freemangordon_: do you know how the qt "launcher" on meego/HARM works ?
Apr 29 12:47:48 <bencoh> they have something as well iirc
Apr 29 12:48:31 <bencoh> hmm, it looks like it's just for qtquick stuff
Apr 29 12:48:59 <bencoh> (qtquick/qdeclavaritve/qml)
Apr 29 12:52:36 <freemangordon_> sixwheeledbeast: yes
Apr 29 12:52:41 <freemangordon_> bencoh: no idea
Apr 29 12:53:19 <sixwheeledbeast> hmm, ok. That would be good.
Apr 29 12:54:11 <sixwheeledbeast> Especially now qt FOSS replacements are finally finding there way into CSSU
Apr 29 12:54:30 <bencoh> yeah
Apr 29 12:54:40 <sixwheeledbeast> clock-ui can take an age to load when you need to set an alarm, for example.
Apr 29 13:00:03 <bencoh> I'd love it for marble ;)
Apr 29 14:19:00 <Vajb> i can confirm. I allmost fall asleep while clock-ui loads...
Apr 29 14:21:07 <Humpelst1lzchen> Vajb: did you delete old alarms?
Apr 29 14:22:08 <Humpelst1lzchen> never define more then half a dozen alarms, the MHz CPU can not handle more
Apr 29 14:22:15 <kerio> wut
Apr 29 14:24:18 <Humpelst1lzchen> aye :)
Apr 29 14:26:34 <Vajb> i have one alarm which trickers at same time during week days and other which i edit for nap
Apr 29 14:27:05 <Humpelst1lzchen> Vajb: active or total list?
Apr 29 14:27:19 <Vajb> total list shown in ap
Apr 29 14:28:06 <Vajb> is there some file where it stores those alarms?
Apr 29 14:28:32 <Humpelst1lzchen> yes textfile, but don't remember the name
Apr 29 14:29:24 <Vajb> but if i edit same alarm over and over again will it still save some traces somewhere?
Apr 29 14:29:35 <Humpelst1lzchen> don't think so
Apr 29 14:30:32 <Vajb> i think i agree. Because otherwise it would be rather funny design
Apr 29 14:35:38 <Humpelst1lzchen> check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57598 
Apr 29 14:35:58 <Humpelst1lzchen> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707
Apr 29 14:36:00 <povbot_> 04Bug 10707: Clock application is very slow to start with lots of saved alarms
Apr 29 14:36:07 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 29 14:36:15 <KotCzarny> isnt that ugly?
Apr 29 14:36:39 <zGrr> who is that ugly?
Apr 29 14:38:41 * Humpelst1lzchen has 8 alarms in arlarm_queue.ini
Apr 29 14:40:32 <Humpelst1lzchen> thats why we need GHz CPUs
Apr 29 14:41:36 <bencoh> to be able to program moar alarms ?
Apr 29 14:42:11 <Humpelst1lzchen> at least 200MHz/Alarm
Apr 29 14:42:15 <KotCzarny> pound the alarm!
Apr 29 14:45:17 <Vajb> i have less than 8
Apr 29 16:02:07 <krbtgt_> i've been a while since i've touched my N900 - are these repos down (this is 1.3.1, no CSSU yet, want to check before i install it) http://pastebin.com/SMTw2Ujc
Apr 29 16:38:29 <bencoh> krbtgt_: they are, see talk.maemo.org
Apr 29 16:38:45 <krbtgt_> should i remove them?
Apr 29 16:44:54 <bencoh> krbtgt_: there are some mirrors (and for now you'll need one to install CSSU, until this issue is resolved) ... see TMO :)
Apr 29 16:46:06 <krbtgt_> yeah, i just want to resolve any missing repos and held back packages before i install CSSU
Apr 29 17:32:34 <sixwheeledbeast> Vajb: Humpelst1lzchen: that bug maybe unrelated to Qt. It depends what version of clock-ui you have.
Apr 29 17:34:13 <sixwheeledbeast> CSSU-Testing has a FOSS Qt one. CSSU-Stable has the stock one unless you installed it as an extras package
Apr 29 18:26:35 <Vajb> sixwheeledbeast: im running on cssu-testing
Apr 29 18:27:28 <Vajb> clock is perfectly usable, but it just takes some patience to use it. It starts up in less than 10 seconds i think
Apr 29 18:28:46 <KotCzarny> o.o
Apr 29 18:28:49 <KotCzarny> 10s?
Apr 29 18:29:17 <KotCzarny> what does it has to do to take so long
Apr 29 18:32:05 <merlin1991> bencoh: I think the meego/harm launcher was even open source, but if you're interested in a fairly recent prelauncher for qt stuff I'd look into the sailfish one, it's called mapplauncherd / invoker https://github.com/nemomobile/mapplauncherd 
Apr 29 18:32:51 <merlin1991> if we could adapt that to also support gtk stuff we would have a nice fancy booster package, but I think we'd have to backport MComponentCache to our Qt for that
Apr 29 19:08:59 <bencoh> merlin1991: is it a generic qt loader or just for qtquick/qml/qdeclarative ?
Apr 29 19:19:55 <krbtgt_> what mirrors for the repos do you recommend?
Apr 29 19:45:13 <krbtgt_> (or even better: post your HAM repo config)
Apr 29 19:45:34 <krbtgt_> i'm using the "muarf" mirror but keys expired (is that nokia's fault or mine?)
Apr 29 19:48:20 <KotCzarny> nokia is no more
Apr 29 20:00:04 <krbtgt_> ok, now some packages are held back because mp-fremantle-generic-pr doesnt want them touched
Apr 29 20:00:19 <krbtgt_> what should be done regarding that before SSU is installed?
Apr 29 20:46:41 <krbtgt_> should i upgrade and thus remove that package or keep the packages held back?
Apr 29 21:52:09 <sixwheeledbeast> Vajb: KotCzarny: firing up Qt is what's going on there then I would say. However, the bug link before is for another bug, pre-FOSS clock-ui.
Apr 29 21:56:30 <sixwheeledbeast> krbtgt_: I don't believe there are "recommended" mirrors. KEYEXPIRED has been an issue for years. 
Apr 29 21:56:37 <sixwheeledbeast> ~keysexpired
Apr 29 21:58:11 <krbtgt_> still, there's the held back packages (libgcc, libsdl, libcurl, libstdc++)
Apr 29 21:58:25 <krbtgt_> i want to make sure nothing goes wrong before i install CSSU
Apr 29 22:03:30 <sixwheeledbeast> we where talking about image-viewer before, oddly I just stumbled upon this QML code http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/04/28/magnifying-glass-qml/
Apr 29 22:04:11 <sixwheeledbeast> krbtgt_: I don't believe installing CSSU is possible without the packages from the downloads.maemo.nokia repo.
Apr 29 22:05:51 <krbtgt_> i did find a working mirror
Apr 29 22:06:05 <krbtgt_> i just need to know what should be done with held back packages
Apr 29 22:07:43 <krbtgt_> http://pastebin.com/9V3ubtTW
Apr 29 22:25:17 <sixwheeledbeast> meh, dependency hell welcome to Maemo. 
Apr 29 22:27:25 <krbtgt_> so just go with it?
Apr 29 22:29:19 <sixwheeledbeast> I would say not, you have to be careful with Maemo and dependencies. HAM is recommended way to install packages.
Apr 29 22:29:22 <sixwheeledbeast> ~HAM
Apr 29 22:29:22 <infobot> from memory, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
Apr 29 22:29:35 <sixwheeledbeast> ~hamvsfam
Apr 29 22:29:35 <infobot> rumour has it, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
Apr 29 22:45:48 <krbtgt_> hmmm, i ran the anbler and it said errors occured - i think with pinning.
Apr 29 22:46:03 <krbtgt_> also, it reset my mirror repo to the default down nokia ones (?)
Apr 29 23:28:21 <krbtgt_> fighting ham
Apr 29 23:30:10 <krbtgt_> i can't edit the broken nokia repo - i can edit it from sources.list.d, but HAM will have none of that
Apr 29 23:37:34 <pentanol> hi there, someone know repo for mihphoto?
Apr 29 23:40:54 <krbtgt_> i can't control-v/backspace in HAM
Apr 29 23:48:14 <pentanol> krbtgt_ ctrl+v or ctrl+bsp doesn't work?
Apr 29 23:48:18 <krbtgt_> no
Apr 29 23:48:28 <krbtgt_> i'm trying to replace the nokia repo with the mirror
Apr 29 23:48:45 <pentanol> when nokia bootups did you chose englich or not?
Apr 29 23:48:48 <krbtgt_> i can edit the .list file but HAM tells it to fuck off and replaces it with its own
Apr 29 23:48:54 <krbtgt_> the keys work everywhere else
Apr 29 23:49:10 <krbtgt_> i know because i just used them in MicroB/xterm
Apr 29 23:49:46 <pentanol> how did you edit .list? with vim?
Apr 29 23:49:50 <krbtgt_> yeah
Apr 29 23:49:56 <pentanol> why not just copying
Apr 29 23:50:07 <pentanol> prepare ready .list and copy
Apr 29 23:50:21 <krbtgt_> ham ignores .list and trying to paste the repos into HAM won't work as it won't let me paste
Apr 29 23:59:47 <pentanol> krbtgt_ do you know some image viewer for n900 with zoom support?
Apr 30 00:00:40 <krbtgt_> the stock one - use the volume buttons
Apr 30 00:02:08 <pentanol> I need photos viewer, not video
Apr 30 00:02:32 <krbtgt_> it views pictures
Apr 30 00:02:57 <pentanol> wow
Apr 30 00:03:02 <pentanol> that's it
Apr 30 00:12:46 <krbtgt_> fighting ham is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy
Apr 30 00:33:14 <krbtgt_> i'd prefer to do this upgrade over HAM but with it blowing away the mirror it's pretty hard
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