**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 30 02:59:58 2015
Apr 30 06:33:29 <KotCzarny> krbtgt_: maybe you have installed some packages from other repos and now you have conflicts
Apr 30 06:34:05 <KotCzarny> instead of fighting in ham try apt-get way
Apr 30 06:34:34 <KotCzarny> in the worst case you might try removing them or forcibly installing via dpkg
Apr 30 06:37:07 <KotCzarny> well, otherwise just backup and flash stock image
Apr 30 06:37:12 <KotCzarny> might be faster
Apr 30 06:37:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 06:49:01 <KotCzarny> or maybe already prepared cssu or cssu-thumb image if there is such thing
Apr 30 07:31:55 <freemangordon_> bencoh: did you play with maemo-launcher? any result?
Apr 30 08:02:49 <bencoh> freemangordon_: havent tried it yet
Apr 30 08:06:04 <freemangordon_> bencoh: http://pastebin.com/uuBp3JiF
Apr 30 08:07:09 <freemangordon_> time is ~550 with   QGuiApplication *gui... commented, vs ~290 with those 2 lines uncommented on my laptop
Apr 30 08:08:29 <freemangordon_> going to try on the device
Apr 30 08:17:08 <bencoh> hmm
Apr 30 08:21:25 <freemangordon_> bencoh: on device it is ~880 vs ~960, using QCoreApplication (seems there is no QGuiApplication in qt4.7)
Apr 30 08:23:13 <freemangordon_> bencoh: by using   QApplication, time is reduced to ~220, but there are some UI artifacts
Apr 30 08:24:54 <freemangordon_> oh, wait, actually those are not artifacts :)
Apr 30 08:24:55 <bencoh> hmm²
Apr 30 08:26:11 <bencoh> so ... it means we'd save at most 10% by writing a qt launcher ?
Apr 30 08:26:39 <bencoh> or am I missing something ?
Apr 30 08:27:01 <KotCzarny> save 10% time but lose part of memory?
Apr 30 08:27:13 <KotCzarny> so it will slow rest of the system?
Apr 30 08:27:33 <freemangordon_> 960 vs 220 is not 10%
Apr 30 08:27:41 <freemangordon_> if I remember what math is :P
Apr 30 08:27:44 <bencoh> oh, 960 vs 220
Apr 30 08:27:46 <bencoh> nevermind
Apr 30 08:28:04 <KotCzarny> you wrote 960 vs 880
Apr 30 08:28:13 <bencoh> I see :)
Apr 30 08:28:26 <freemangordon_> KotCzarny: read it again, please
Apr 30 08:28:53 <KotCzarny> right, missed it too
Apr 30 08:28:55 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 08:29:46 <freemangordon_> but it seems creating qapplication twice, leads that the "real" application is started with GTK style, instead of maemo style
Apr 30 08:29:57 <bencoh> funny
Apr 30 08:30:23 <bencoh> now wait, isnt precisely why it seems to be running "faster" ?
Apr 30 08:30:27 <bencoh> +it
Apr 30 08:30:32 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 30 08:31:05 <freemangordon_> bencoh: look at the code
Apr 30 08:32:43 <bencoh> yeah I'm reading it (10:30am, I should be fully awake ...)
Apr 30 08:33:08 <freemangordon_> http://pastebin.com/Rm6PbFt6
Apr 30 08:33:15 <freemangordon_> this is the latest
Apr 30 08:33:39 <bencoh> now that's different :)
Apr 30 08:33:49 <freemangordon_> see where is QTime::elapsed qDebug()'ed
Apr 30 08:33:55 <bencoh> yeah
Apr 30 08:35:16 <bencoh> (before widgets get drawn ?)
Apr 30 08:36:06 <freemangordon_> yes
Apr 30 08:44:34 <zGrr> moin :)
Apr 30 08:51:34 <freemangordon_> dammit, the wifi I am connected to drives me mad, it disconnects every now and then :(
Apr 30 09:15:53 <bencoh> hmm, looks like https://gitorious.org/meegotouch/maemo-applauncherd hasnt been transfered to github (?)
Apr 30 09:22:26 <bencoh> nor did we move maemo-af (?!)
Apr 30 09:22:49 <KotCzarny> maybe write a script that would check all of the components ?
Apr 30 09:23:18 <bencoh> I thought it was done already, but ...
Apr 30 09:24:18 <bencoh> ooh, that might be on maemo.org ... dunno where though
Apr 30 09:59:45 <bencoh> freemangordon_: looks like maemo-launcher inits every booster for every app
Apr 30 09:59:55 <freemangordon_> hmm?
Apr 30 10:00:12 <freemangordon_> that doesn't make sense
Apr 30 10:00:24 <bencoh>     boosters_init(boosters, prog.argv[0]);
Apr 30 10:00:33 <freemangordon_> ooh
Apr 30 10:00:38 <bencoh> in the child (after fork and before launch_process)
Apr 30 10:00:57 <bencoh> and boosters_init loops on ... well, the boosters chained list
Apr 30 10:01:02 <freemangordon_> do we have problem with that?
Apr 30 10:01:10 <bencoh> dunno, maybe
Apr 30 10:01:30 <freemangordon_> i doubt, after all there should not be n=much work done in that function
Apr 30 10:01:33 <bencoh> if we add a qt booster, gtk apps would init a qt env as well
Apr 30 10:01:39 <bencoh> dunno how long it takes
Apr 30 10:02:11 <freemangordon_> wait, what is "qt env"?
Apr 30 10:02:11 <freemangordon_> it is init *before* fork
Apr 30 10:02:28 <freemangordon_> once , not for every program. that is the whole point
Apr 30 10:02:34 <bencoh> preinit is launched once and for all
Apr 30 10:02:39 <bencoh> init is done for every program
Apr 30 10:02:40 <freemangordon_> :nod:
Apr 30 10:02:52 <bencoh> I dont know what should go there for qt
Apr 30 10:03:11 <freemangordon_> instantiating a QApplication ;)
Apr 30 10:03:22 <bencoh> in init ?
Apr 30 10:03:36 <bencoh> you mean preinit I guess :)
Apr 30 10:03:55 <freemangordon_> yes, preinit
Apr 30 10:04:06 <bencoh> yeah, but what about init ? :)
Apr 30 10:04:46 <freemangordon_> bencoh: see http://pastebin.com/364z6i1H
Apr 30 10:04:50 <bencoh> booster_gtk_init sets an idler, I wonder why
Apr 30 10:05:17 <freemangordon_> bencoh: maybe we'll need to do some hackery because of the QApplication being singelton
Apr 30 10:05:26 <freemangordon_> or argv parsing
Apr 30 10:05:50 <bencoh> hmm
Apr 30 10:07:37 <KotCzarny> please check memory footprint before and after
Apr 30 10:08:06 <freemangordon_> KotCzarny: which memory footprint? parent or child process?
Apr 30 10:08:15 <bencoh> both I guess :]
Apr 30 10:08:33 <bencoh> shouldnt change much for the child though
Apr 30 10:08:37 <KotCzarny> does that preloader keep apps in memory?
Apr 30 10:08:42 <freemangordon_> no
Apr 30 10:08:46 <KotCzarny> when it inits them all
Apr 30 10:08:54 <freemangordon_> it keeps libraries in memory
Apr 30 10:09:26 <KotCzarny> ok, then check how much it stores, wouldnt help if system has to swap more
Apr 30 10:09:28 <freemangordon_> however, /me needs some food, bbl
Apr 30 10:09:31 <bencoh> libraries, and its own copy of initialized structures (that's the point of it)
Apr 30 10:09:42 <freemangordon_> :nod:
Apr 30 10:10:05 <bencoh> (because library objects are already taken care of by ld)
Apr 30 10:10:08 <freemangordon_> KotCzarny: we don't really car if it swaps more, as long as apps launch faster
Apr 30 10:10:13 <freemangordon_> *care
Apr 30 10:10:19 <KotCzarny> ...
Apr 30 10:10:29 <KotCzarny> but then multitasking suffers
Apr 30 10:11:34 <freemangordon_> suffers as in? I'd prefer to have clock-ui launched in 2 seconds instead of 6, no matter that browser in background will have 1 second delay
Apr 30 10:11:56 <KotCzarny> as in swapping in and out
Apr 30 10:12:08 <bencoh> actually it depends on what you're swapping
Apr 30 10:12:08 <KotCzarny> flash is slow
Apr 30 10:12:37 <KotCzarny> and i would really want more free ram than having clock ran 4s faster
Apr 30 10:12:50 <freemangordon_> KotCzarny: also, keep in mind that more things in swap doesn't necessarily mean more lag 
Apr 30 10:13:01 <freemangordon_> KotCzarny: wrong, you don;t need free RAM
Apr 30 10:13:10 <freemangordon_> what you need is used memory ;)
Apr 30 10:13:14 <bencoh> let's say a page with only memleaked structures gets swapped ... you'll never try to access it, so it's not an issue (apart from eating swap)
Apr 30 10:13:23 <freemangordon_> correct
Apr 30 10:13:35 <bencoh> but if you happen to access a variable in this page ... you're doomed
Apr 30 10:13:42 <bencoh> you'll keep swapping back and forth
Apr 30 10:14:24 <freemangordon_> what we need to do is to check launcherd mamory usage *before* and *after* qt booster
Apr 30 10:14:29 <freemangordon_> *memory
Apr 30 10:14:39 <KotCzarny> i dont mind swapping on pc, but on n900 flash wears out
Apr 30 10:14:50 <KotCzarny> that is also a concern to me
Apr 30 10:14:54 <bencoh> ooh
Apr 30 10:14:59 <bencoh> well then, swap on microsd ;)
Apr 30 10:15:10 <freemangordon_> :nod:
Apr 30 10:15:12 <freemangordon_> :)
Apr 30 10:15:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 10:15:17 * freemangordon_ is afk
Apr 30 10:15:44 <KotCzarny> isnt microsd unmounted when usb connects?
Apr 30 10:16:03 <KotCzarny> *doom*
Apr 30 10:19:56 <bencoh> not exactly
Apr 30 11:20:09 <freemangordon_> KotCzarny: what is unmounted, is what was previously mounted. swap is never mounted
Apr 30 11:26:07 <KotCzarny> but if i undestand how it's shared, WHOLE card is shared as a single block device, so any partition cant be used
Apr 30 11:28:56 <freemangordon_> KotCzarny: no, at least in CSSU, only the first fat partition is exported
Apr 30 11:29:20 <KotCzarny> that has positive and negative sides
Apr 30 11:29:26 <freemangordon_> sure
Apr 30 11:29:42 <freemangordon_> but you have no problems if swap is on uSD
Apr 30 12:09:27 <lopx> hi
Apr 30 15:37:11 <freemangordon> bencoh: "Apr 30 18:23:14 Nokia-N900 maemo-launcher[16457]: opening of /usr/bin/worldclock.launch took 644745 usec " :)
Apr 30 15:37:25 <freemangordon> still no qt accel though
Apr 30 15:37:35 <bencoh> oh
Apr 30 15:37:38 <freemangordon> only gtk and cpp
Apr 30 15:37:41 <bencoh> well I have a patch here but havent tried it
Apr 30 15:37:49 <freemangordon> what for?
Apr 30 15:38:02 <bencoh> qt accel in maemo-launcher
Apr 30 15:38:22 <bencoh> http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d2fecc06e
Apr 30 15:39:27 <bencoh> I dunno why I have a strange error when including QMaemo5Style so it's commented out for now
Apr 30 15:39:48 <freemangordon> what error?
Apr 30 15:40:09 <freemangordon> btw i made a similar patch to yours, without actual code though
Apr 30 15:40:20 <bencoh> http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d4822ee03
Apr 30 15:40:20 <freemangordon> with only enabling qt-booster
Apr 30 15:41:06 <freemangordon> bencoh: you're missing a lot of defines
Apr 30 15:41:09 <bencoh> I looked at the gtkmm-booster, it doesnt do anything in preinit
Apr 30 15:41:14 <bencoh> oh okay
Apr 30 15:41:28 <bencoh> I've never used QMaemo5Style, so ... :)
Apr 30 15:42:01 <bencoh> or do you mean, Qt defines ?
Apr 30 15:42:21 <freemangordon> yes
Apr 30 15:42:35 <freemangordon> see the trickery I did https://github.com/community-ssu/feedservice-plugin-fb-common/blob/master/src/oauth/Makefile.am
Apr 30 15:42:54 <bencoh> ugly.
Apr 30 15:42:54 <bencoh> :)
Apr 30 15:43:05 <freemangordon> yeah, I know
Apr 30 15:43:06 <bencoh> qmake yay .... :)
Apr 30 15:43:20 <freemangordon> but did not find other way to get platform qmake defines
Apr 30 15:43:35 <bencoh> I might be missing -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB
Apr 30 15:43:51 <freemangordon> and several others :)
Apr 30 15:44:02 <bencoh> think so ? dunno
Apr 30 15:44:08 <freemangordon> I am sure
Apr 30 15:44:12 <KotCzarny> hacking software - ultimate geek game
Apr 30 15:44:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 15:44:55 <bencoh> tbh I dont really like qt, so ... ;)
Apr 30 15:45:18 <freemangordon> -D_REENTRANT -DQT_GL_NO_SCISSOR_TEST -DQT_DEFAULT_TEXTURE_GLYPH_CACHE_WIDTH=1024 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_MAEMO5_LIB -DQT_DBUS_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED
Apr 30 15:45:37 <freemangordon> that's just an example
Apr 30 15:45:50 <freemangordon> tbh I like it :) (qt)
Apr 30 15:46:18 <KotCzarny> looks like a lot of libs being loaded
Apr 30 15:47:04 <freemangordon> ok, lets try with qt booster
Apr 30 15:52:25 <freemangordon> "Jan  2 06:15:48 Nokia-N900 maemo-launcher[2099]: opening of /usr/bin/worldclock.launch took 110321 usec"
Apr 30 15:53:06 <freemangordon> ok, lets see what will happen if we have qapplication instance :)
Apr 30 16:18:43 <freemangordon> bencoh: qmameo5style error can be workarounded if you change the header files order :)
Apr 30 16:19:04 <bencoh> meh :(
Apr 30 16:23:37 <freemangordon> hmm, ok, qith qapplication in booster-qt, hildon-desktop won't start :D
Apr 30 16:23:41 <freemangordon> *with
Apr 30 16:34:09 <bencoh> huhu
Apr 30 16:34:13 <bencoh> I was afraid of that
Apr 30 16:36:16 <freemangordon> rescueos to the rescue :)
Apr 30 16:36:52 <bencoh> yeahhhhhhhhhhh
Apr 30 16:36:58 <bencoh> wooops, silly bug. "yeah" :)
Apr 30 16:37:55 <bencoh> maybe we should fork another maemo-launcher with qt only
Apr 30 16:38:06 <freemangordon> hmm, why?
Apr 30 16:38:17 <freemangordon> will only waste resources
Apr 30 16:38:41 <freemangordon> it will need gtk and cpp boosters as well
Apr 30 16:38:59 <sixwheeledbeast> did someone say fork?
Apr 30 16:39:04 <sixwheeledbeast> ;)
Apr 30 16:39:17 <freemangordon> oh
Apr 30 16:39:19 <freemangordon> :)
Apr 30 16:42:08 <freemangordon> ooh: "Maemo applications must be run with the run-standalone.sh script!"
Apr 30 16:46:27 <freemangordon> "maemo-launcher: opening of /usr/bin/worldclock.launch took 71228 usec"
Apr 30 17:30:05 <bencoh> wait, what ? 71ms ?
Apr 30 17:30:44 <bencoh> freemangordon: what did you change ?
Apr 30 17:30:52 <bencoh> (to make hildon-desktop start)
Apr 30 17:35:24 <freemangordon> disabled qt booster, then started maemo-launcher from terminal (with qt booster enabled)
Apr 30 17:35:33 <freemangordon> to achieve those 71 ms
Apr 30 17:35:49 <bencoh> oh, okay
Apr 30 17:36:10 <bencoh> and the 110321 usec was with qtbooster but without qapplication in preinit() ?
Apr 30 17:36:18 <freemangordon> yes
Apr 30 17:36:29 <freemangordon> but actually it is qcoreapplication now
Apr 30 17:36:32 <bencoh> and 644745 usec with cpp ?
Apr 30 17:36:35 <freemangordon> otherwise bad things happen
Apr 30 17:36:41 <freemangordon> yes
Apr 30 17:36:43 <bencoh> oh, sad ... okay
Apr 30 17:36:46 <freemangordon> cpp+gtk
Apr 30 17:36:48 <bencoh> well
Apr 30 17:36:54 <freemangordon> well, 71 is not that bad
Apr 30 17:37:00 <bencoh> it's great
Apr 30 17:37:06 <freemangordon> actually the UI appears in 1.5s
Apr 30 17:37:10 <bencoh> but 110321 isnt bad either, if hildon-desktop works
Apr 30 17:37:24 <bencoh> 1.5s vs ... ?
Apr 30 17:37:27 <freemangordon> but with some more smoke and mirrors... it will look great :D
Apr 30 17:37:34 <freemangordon> vs 3-5
Apr 30 17:37:34 <KotCzarny> 110321 is 0.1s
Apr 30 17:37:52 <bencoh> yeah we know that
Apr 30 17:38:00 <bencoh> :)
Apr 30 17:38:17 <KotCzarny> drat, those changing contexts
Apr 30 17:38:28 <bencoh> 1.5s is the perceived time between "click on icon" and "woohoo, window popped" I suppose
Apr 30 17:38:39 <freemangordon> bencoh: I guess you can check the vs by symply starting worldclock :P
Apr 30 17:38:49 <freemangordon> bencoh: yes
Apr 30 17:38:50 <bencoh> freemangordon: cssu-stable here ;)
Apr 30 17:38:55 <freemangordon> oh
Apr 30 17:38:55 <bencoh> it's blazing fast
Apr 30 17:38:56 <bencoh> ;p
Apr 30 17:39:00 <freemangordon> how fast?
Apr 30 17:39:03 <bencoh> (worldclock)
Apr 30 17:39:05 <bencoh> lemme see
Apr 30 17:39:12 <bencoh> where do you run it from ? hildon-status-menu ?
Apr 30 17:39:15 <freemangordon> yes
Apr 30 17:39:21 <freemangordon> "clock and alarms"
Apr 30 17:39:49 <bencoh> hm more than 2sec I'd say
Apr 30 17:39:57 <bencoh> maybe not that fast :)
Apr 30 17:40:22 <freemangordon> :)
Apr 30 17:40:26 <bencoh> yeah a bit more than 2sec
Apr 30 17:40:27 <freemangordon> how much? 2s?
Apr 30 17:40:31 <freemangordon> yeah
Apr 30 17:40:59 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: cssu on your device?
Apr 30 17:41:02 <bencoh> did you rebuild worldclock ?
Apr 30 17:41:20 <KotCzarny> nope, stock
Apr 30 17:41:22 <freemangordon> yes, ofc
Apr 30 17:41:50 <freemangordon> bencoh: BTW, is UI responsive right after it appears?
Apr 30 17:43:20 <freemangordon> or you are presented a screenshot?
Apr 30 17:43:54 <bencoh> it's responsive
Apr 30 17:44:38 <freemangordon> ok
Apr 30 17:46:50 <bencoh> I dont think I've ever seen a "screenshot"
Apr 30 17:59:44 <kerio> what's a decent jabber client that's not Contacts?
Apr 30 17:59:58 <bencoh> pidgin ?
Apr 30 18:36:35 <sixwheeledbeast> I like how jabber works with Contacts TBH.
Apr 30 18:43:33 <krbtgt_> it's probably one of the few mobile OSes to do IM right
Apr 30 18:43:37 <krbtgt_> (along with webOS)
Apr 30 18:43:49 <krbtgt_> SMS, Skype, XMPP, Facebook convos all with one consistent UI
Apr 30 19:04:05 <bencoh> freemangordon: btw, when I said "cssu-stable" I was implying I'm still using stock worldclock ... dunno if that was clear :)
Apr 30 19:05:59 <freemangordon> yeah
Apr 30 19:28:02 <KotCzarny> what i dislike about n900 is low battery situations
Apr 30 19:28:42 <KotCzarny> just now i didnt check battery level and received a call, obviously it turned itself off after few secs
Apr 30 19:28:55 <KotCzarny> but now it cant turn on unless charged for how long?
Apr 30 19:29:02 <KotCzarny> 1-2 mins is not enough
Apr 30 19:29:35 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: replace your battery
Apr 30 19:29:46 <KotCzarny> nope, its not that
Apr 30 19:29:57 <KotCzarny> that situation is since i got it
Apr 30 19:30:16 <KotCzarny> when battery was brand new it behaved same way
Apr 30 19:30:16 <freemangordon> it is, unless you've been warned a couple of thimes that your battery is low
Apr 30 19:30:22 <freemangordon> *times
Apr 30 19:30:42 <freemangordon> how old is that battery?
Apr 30 19:30:45 <KotCzarny> i probably was, but phone was unused whole day
Apr 30 19:30:51 <KotCzarny> s/i/it/
Apr 30 19:30:52 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: it probably was, but phone was unused whole day
Apr 30 19:31:16 <freemangordon> so? how old is the battery?
Apr 30 19:31:17 <KotCzarny> so 'battery low' was probably displayed, just didnt get a chance to see it
Apr 30 19:31:21 <KotCzarny> 2009 ?
Apr 30 19:31:23 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 19:31:32 <freemangordon> oh, sure, it is not the battery ;)
Apr 30 19:31:53 <KotCzarny> i get solid 5-6 days of standby still
Apr 30 19:32:09 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: you're aware that internal battery resistance increases with time?
Apr 30 19:32:14 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 30 19:32:19 <freemangordon> standby does not matter
Apr 30 19:32:40 <KotCzarny> yes, but still im talking about something else
Apr 30 19:32:58 <freemangordon> so, when you receive a phone call, with that increased resistance, the voltage drops bellow emergency shutdown level.
Apr 30 19:33:20 <KotCzarny> im not talking about powering off, because most likely it was already at the red bar
Apr 30 19:33:27 <KotCzarny> im talking about trying to turn it on
Apr 30 19:33:40 <ShadowJK_> I can turn it on instantly after attaching charger
Apr 30 19:33:40 <KotCzarny> and mind you, it was the same story even when new
Apr 30 19:33:51 <freemangordon> ShadowJK_: me too
Apr 30 19:33:54 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 30 19:34:05 <freemangordon> polarcell here, ~1 yo
Apr 30 19:34:37 <KotCzarny> apparently it stops chargine on reboot/boot
Apr 30 19:34:43 <KotCzarny> and powerkernel boots twice
Apr 30 19:35:00 <KotCzarny> and yellow light turn off during boot
Apr 30 19:35:12 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: trust me, just replace your battery. with powercell, ~1600 mAh
Apr 30 19:35:49 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: bootloader charges up to a threshold(voltage), after which it boots the linux kernel. 
Apr 30 19:35:59 <KotCzarny> nah, if i'll be replacing i will get double cap one
Apr 30 19:36:03 <KotCzarny> already got the cover
Apr 30 19:36:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 19:36:22 <freemangordon> but because your battery is with decreased capacity, it can;t hod until bme is started
Apr 30 19:36:27 <freemangordon> *hold
Apr 30 19:36:41 <freemangordon> ShadowJK_: correct? ^^^
Apr 30 19:36:46 <KotCzarny> why cant it just run on charger power?
Apr 30 19:36:53 <KotCzarny> droid can
Apr 30 19:37:21 <freemangordon> heh
Apr 30 19:37:23 <KotCzarny> and i think its the reason why n900 cant run without battery
Apr 30 19:37:58 <freemangordon> because n900 *does not* know what tpe of charger it is attached to
Apr 30 19:38:03 <freemangordon> before bme runs
Apr 30 19:38:06 <ShadowJK_> Electrically it can run without battery, though not on 2G unless you sit right next to celltower
Apr 30 19:39:12 <KotCzarny> ShadowJK_: you can turn on n900 without battery?
Apr 30 19:39:37 <ShadowJK_> It turns on, software sees battery is missing, and turns off ;)
Apr 30 19:39:46 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 30 19:50:36 <KotCzarny> and another thing that irks me is usb port on the top (when talking)
Apr 30 20:35:42 <bencoh> polarcell <3
Apr 30 20:35:57 <bencoh> but they're 1500mAh, not 1600mAh ... at least for mine
Apr 30 20:38:04 <freemangordon> mine is > 1600, if we should trus bq chip
Apr 30 20:38:32 <bencoh> lucky :)
Apr 30 20:38:48 <bencoh> bq says ~1490-ish
Apr 30 20:53:11 <KotCzarny> last measured discharge on mine is 1185
Apr 30 20:53:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:54:02 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: oh, just like a new battery :)
Apr 30 20:54:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:54:15 <KotCzarny> - internal resistance
Apr 30 20:54:28 <KotCzarny> but yes, quite a lot after 6 years for a liion
Apr 30 23:09:37 <Win7Mac> my desktop graphics card just seemed to die today... updated drivers and stuff to no avail :(
Apr 30 23:09:50 <Win7Mac> Then I read about baking them...
Apr 30 23:10:16 <Win7Mac> so aluminium foil around it and 30 mins later at ~125° C - it works again!!!
Apr 30 23:10:27 <KotCzarny> temporary solution
Apr 30 23:10:30 * Win7Mac is very impressed
Apr 30 23:10:32 <KotCzarny> it will die again
Apr 30 23:10:42 <Win7Mac> :(
Apr 30 23:11:00 <KotCzarny> bad solder
Apr 30 23:11:04 <KotCzarny> bad design
Apr 30 23:11:40 <Win7Mac> Gigabyte GTX 470OC
Apr 30 23:12:08 <KotCzarny> no warranty?
Apr 30 23:12:21 <Win7Mac> ~4 years old
Apr 30 23:13:42 <Win7Mac> how much time am I supposed to gain before it dies again?
Apr 30 23:13:56 <KotCzarny> may be days, may be months
Apr 30 23:15:56 <KotCzarny> if reballing costs less than 1/4 of the card do it, otherwise just buy new card
Apr 30 23:17:46 <ecc3g> found this 
Apr 30 23:17:51 <ecc3g> whoops
Apr 30 23:17:55 <ecc3g> ignore that
Apr 30 23:17:56 <ecc3g> :D
Apr 30 23:18:10 <RiD> Win7Mac i did a ghetto ass reflow on my GTX 470, it lasted 6 months
Apr 30 23:18:29 <Win7Mac> guess ill have to look for a new card then
Apr 30 23:18:32 <RiD> then it died again, did another reflow, and ran out of thermal paste
Apr 30 23:18:39 <RiD> so i dont know if it still works
Apr 30 23:18:44 <RiD> too lazy to put some new paste in there
Apr 30 23:18:53 <Win7Mac> ghetto ass reflow?
Apr 30 23:18:57 <KotCzarny> baking
Apr 30 23:18:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 23:19:07 <Win7Mac> :)
Apr 30 23:19:12 <RiD> not on the oven
Apr 30 23:19:29 <RiD> i dont know the name but uh, i happen to have a "heat" gun?
Apr 30 23:19:48 <RiD> i have to set it on one of the lowest levels or the whole thing melts
Apr 30 23:20:04 <Win7Mac> hehe
Apr 30 23:20:25 <RiD> 6 months was still nice
Apr 30 23:20:25 <ecc3g> I have a heat gun used for paint stripping, its fan was strong enough to blow off a surface mount PCB I was testing it on... heh
Apr 30 23:20:28 <Win7Mac> baking (oven) is more even i guess
Apr 30 23:20:50 <RiD> yeah, some say to apply more heat on the "main" chip tho, i don't know
Apr 30 23:20:51 <Win7Mac> and no real reflow
Apr 30 23:21:46 <RiD> oh just scrolled and saw that you also had a GTX 470 lol
Apr 30 23:22:06 <Win7Mac> yeah
Apr 30 23:22:07 <RiD> i had mine clocked to 800/1900 :x
Apr 30 23:22:24 <Win7Mac> mine is OCed by factary
Apr 30 23:22:35 <Win7Mac> *factory
Apr 30 23:26:15 <Win7Mac> and is suppused to have a superb thermal design called "windforce"...
Apr 30 23:26:36 <ecc3g> how long did your video cards last before they croaked?
Apr 30 23:26:56 <ecc3g> so far it's like they last 2 years for me...
Apr 30 23:27:04 <Win7Mac> not really much longer i guess
Apr 30 23:27:21 <ecc3g> though this RadeonHD 5770 has survived a bit so far... forgot when I bought it
Apr 30 23:27:22 <Win7Mac> ~4years
Apr 30 23:27:33 <RiD> thats about the same mine lasted
Apr 30 23:27:41 <RiD> i hope it still works but... lazyness
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