**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 02 02:59:58 2015
May 02 09:15:38 <freemangordon> Sicelo: hmm, ging to try
May 02 09:22:05 <freemangordon> Sicelo: hmm, yeah, I guess the auth token has expired. But nevertheless sharig plugin should deal with that situation
May 02 09:22:11 <freemangordon> *sharing
May 02 09:38:53 <Sicelo> you mean by re-validating? or you mean something needs improving with the plugin?
May 02 09:46:59 <freemangordon> Sicelo: yeah
May 02 09:47:19 <freemangordon> this "{"error":{"message":"(#200) Requires extended permission: publish_actions","type":"OAuthException","code":200}}" is the error
May 02 09:47:33 <freemangordon> seems they have changes something
May 02 09:48:03 <freemangordon> now the errors are just ignored, I am fixing this
May 02 10:15:09 <freemangordon> Sicelo: hmm, seems something is broken on FB side
May 02 10:15:31 <freemangordon> even after requesting auth again, I still can't share 
May 02 10:19:27 <freemangordon> OMG, seems that someone removed all of the "Nokia N900" application permissions
May 02 10:19:34 <freemangordon> WTF?
May 02 10:19:45 <princefakhan> what?
May 02 10:21:37 <freemangordon> princefakhan: someone (Nokia? FB?) has removed all the permissions of Nokia FB application.
May 02 10:23:11 <princefakhan> what. is it just fb.
May 02 10:23:14 <jonwil> Sounds like Facebook has blocked the Facebook API key used by Maemo
May 02 10:23:25 <princefakhan> I think so too.
May 02 10:23:36 <jonwil> Not that I care, 
May 02 10:23:41 <jonwil> I dont use Facebook :P
May 02 10:23:59 <jonwil> The answer might be to simply clone the Facebook bits and find another API key...
May 02 10:24:16 <jonwil> unless there was something special about what the N900 FB app did
May 02 10:25:01 <freemangordon> jonwil: no, I reimplemented the sharing plugin by useing the new FB API (graph API) and it was working for a while
May 02 10:25:43 <freemangordon> jonwil: and it is not blocked, as I am able to get the auth token
May 02 10:26:03 <freemangordon> but application has permissins to do nothing :)
May 02 10:26:17 <jonwil> Well turning off all the permissions is in practical terms the same thing as blocked :)
May 02 10:26:27 <freemangordon> no, it is not the saem
May 02 10:26:29 <freemangordon> *same
May 02 10:26:45 <freemangordon> I can get user information for example
May 02 10:26:55 <freemangordon> but cannot publish on her behalf
May 02 10:27:04 <freemangordon> I == application
May 02 10:28:00 <freemangordon> I sent a message to Nokia FB lady, lets see what she will respond
May 02 10:32:54 <freemangordon> hmm, someone make that application fubar. there are no administrators ?!?
May 02 10:33:30 <princefakhan> this is happening with the fb widget, isn't it?
May 02 10:34:04 <freemangordon> it is the same application, yes
May 02 10:34:11 <princefakhan> hmmm.
May 02 10:34:31 <princefakhan> there seems to be no problem with the IM service.
May 02 10:37:37 <freemangordon> it is a different thing
May 02 10:38:23 <princefakhan> :)
May 02 10:39:01 <princefakhan> so it does not need any permission. how?
May 02 10:49:49 <freemangordon> because it is using a different protocol
May 02 10:50:25 <scottc> a different protocol that was due to be disabled 2 days ago (!)
May 02 10:50:45 <princefakhan> hmmm.
May 02 10:51:13 <freemangordon> scottc: wasn't it supposed to be disabled on 15th of April?
May 02 10:51:27 <scottc> I thought it was the 30th but I could be mistaken
May 02 10:51:29 <freemangordon> xmpp afaik
May 02 10:51:43 <scottc> https://developers.facebook.com/docs/chat
May 02 10:51:59 <freemangordon> oh, 30th
May 02 10:52:01 <scottc> "After April 30th, 2015 apps will no longer be able to access the service or API. This includes both access to chat.facebook.com and the xmpp_login permission."
May 02 10:52:15 <freemangordon> scottc: maybe it takes time
May 02 10:52:17 <scottc> for some reason I thought it was the 10th of May for a while too, no idea why
May 02 10:52:18 <scottc> perhaps, yeah
May 02 10:52:32 <freemangordon> *BUT* https://developers.facebook.com/docs/apps/api-v1-deprecation
May 02 10:52:43 <freemangordon> I guess this is our problem with sharing application
May 02 10:53:04 <scottc> huh
May 02 10:54:28 <princefakhan> there was some protocol which was to be deprecated years ago but was done this year. I guess it was FB's.
May 02 10:55:13 <freemangordon> scottc: "Require Login Review for all apps that use Facebook Login and ask people for permissions..."
May 02 10:55:19 <freemangordon> that's our problem
May 02 10:55:39 <KotCzarny> hehe
May 02 10:56:17 <scottc> aha
May 02 10:56:24 <princefakhan> oh. but I think the app opens the browser to login.
May 02 10:56:37 <freemangordon> yes, so what?
May 02 10:56:37 <princefakhan> does it not?
May 02 10:56:57 <freemangordon> extended permissions need to be reviewed and approved by FB
May 02 10:57:41 <princefakhan> oh! I thought the users Login Review. 
May 02 10:59:31 <freemangordon> how cute, chat API is deprecated, but there is no replacement
May 02 11:00:13 <scottc> "Was this document helpful" NO
May 02 11:01:19 <freemangordon> scottc: I sent an error report on 4th of april, still no reply
May 02 11:01:40 <scottc> typical facebook
May 02 11:01:40 <freemangordon> you can't upload videos to FB which contain geo tags
May 02 11:01:52 <freemangordon> and even put an example video on my webserver
May 02 11:01:57 <freemangordon> nothing, but silense
May 02 11:02:02 <scottc> great
May 02 11:02:14 <freemangordon> I guess I will just close my account soon
May 02 11:02:16 <scottc> I wish my friends weren't so reliant on Facebook
May 02 11:02:22 <scottc> otherwise I already would have
May 02 11:02:48 <princefakhan> I hope people knew the power of open source.
May 02 11:03:08 <antranigv> may the source be with you...
May 02 11:03:15 <antranigv> use the source, Luke!
May 02 11:03:28 <princefakhan> and then we wouldnt need wa, fb, line and tons of other IM and video/audio calling bullshit
May 02 11:03:43 <antranigv> XMPP for ever!
May 02 11:04:03 <antranigv> i call my gf via Jabber call on our N900s :P
May 02 11:04:03 <princefakhan> yeah. xmpp. why need tons of shit for the same thing.
May 02 11:04:08 <freemangordon> princefakhan: actually there are already tons of FOSS alternatives. well, maybe not to FB, but to all of the other stuff
May 02 11:04:40 <princefakhan> yeah there are. but who uses them. the one who has a linux machine like us people.
May 02 11:04:51 <freemangordon> how's linux related?
May 02 11:05:09 <princefakhan> oops. android is linux too. lol.
May 02 11:05:14 <antranigv> people just need to understand about privacy and free software
May 02 11:05:24 <freemangordon> people just CBA 
May 02 11:05:29 <antranigv> CBA?
May 02 11:05:33 <freemangordon> ~cba
May 02 11:05:33 <infobot> rumour has it, cba is Can't Be Arsed.
May 02 11:05:44 <freemangordon> == don;t care
May 02 11:05:59 <antranigv> I converted many people to freesw and maemo/meego
May 02 11:06:25 <princefakhan> the point is. use somethin that is cross plattform. and not just iOS, Android, WP
May 02 11:06:51 <antranigv> my point is, as I always said, use technology, don't use/be products
May 02 11:06:59 <antranigv> use email, not gmail/hangouts
May 02 11:07:01 <freemangordon> ok, but when she buys her next device, it comes preinstalled with a pile of closed etc stuff
May 02 11:07:09 <antranigv> use xmpp, not 100 products that use xmpp
May 02 11:07:27 <KotCzarny> people are lazy
May 02 11:07:30 <KotCzarny> its just that
May 02 11:07:44 <antranigv> she = my gf? she'll never change her device after the N900
May 02 11:07:49 <freemangordon> so she simply uses what is on the device, without giving a damn whether it is foss/closed
May 02 11:07:49 <KotCzarny> and as usual its not about quality of the product, but marketing
May 02 11:07:50 <antranigv> she's in love the FCamera :D
May 02 11:08:06 <KotCzarny> and coercing bunch of them so the rest will follow
May 02 11:08:09 <princefakhan> just as freemangordon said, people just CBA
May 02 11:08:21 <freemangordon> I speak in general, my lady uses N900 as daily device ;)
May 02 11:08:27 <antranigv> nice!
May 02 11:09:02 <antranigv> there is another problem.. the media
May 02 11:09:16 <princefakhan> I hope I had a lady. so I could gift her a n900. and we would jabber/xmpp.
May 02 11:09:27 <princefakhan> or neo900 when it releases.
May 02 11:09:34 <freemangordon> and I turned out my ex-wife to a linux (well ubuntu) user. But that's not enough when the other people en masse use google devices
May 02 11:09:58 <antranigv> the media will never talk about how we use N900 in 2015, but will talk about windows 10 coming soon :P
May 02 11:10:06 <freemangordon> princefakhan: you'd better do other things with your lady, not jabber etc, otherwise you'll soon have no lady :P
May 02 11:10:07 <antranigv> any news from the neo900?
May 02 11:10:18 <freemangordon> antranigv: sisce when?
May 02 11:10:18 <antranigv> lol freemangordon
May 02 11:10:21 <princefakhan> cuz, marketing. antranigv
May 02 11:10:29 <freemangordon> *since
May 02 11:10:31 <princefakhan> they want money.
May 02 11:10:35 <scottc> I wish the neo900 had a nicer screen, then I'd honestly use it as my main phone
May 02 11:10:39 <scottc> just not resistive touch
May 02 11:10:40 <scottc> pls.
May 02 11:10:46 <freemangordon> scottc: you have n900?
May 02 11:10:48 <scottc> yeah
May 02 11:10:50 <princefakhan> :D
May 02 11:10:53 <princefakhan> haha. freemangordon
May 02 11:10:55 <freemangordon> and you don;t like the screen?!?
May 02 11:11:01 <scottc> resistive touch is the only thing that i don't like about it
May 02 11:11:11 <freemangordon> hmm, are you sure your device is ok?
May 02 11:11:15 <antranigv> freemangordon: Armenian and Russian IT always talks about MS stuff, and google. and etc
May 02 11:11:16 <princefakhan> I dont like capacitive.
May 02 11:11:24 <princefakhan> other than on those lumias
May 02 11:11:35 <scottc> my screen is very scratched and sometimes doesn't register touches
May 02 11:11:41 <scottc> but it was pre-owned and is in poor condition
May 02 11:11:47 <freemangordon> scottc: oh, that makes sence then
May 02 11:11:56 <antranigv> change the screen
May 02 11:11:57 <antranigv> :D
May 02 11:12:12 <freemangordon> otherwise I am still to find a device with better touch behaviour than n900
May 02 11:12:23 <princefakhan> resistive ftw.
May 02 11:12:27 <scottc> getting a new screen might cost more than this phone cost me :P it was only 40 euro!
May 02 11:12:35 <antranigv> anyone tried alpine on N900?
May 02 11:12:42 <scottc> i didn't expect to see so much support for resistive touch, i better go hide :D
May 02 11:12:47 <freemangordon> and I have access to lots of the so-called "flagship" device
May 02 11:13:16 <freemangordon> scottc: see, your device is most-probably broken
May 02 11:13:34 <antranigv> anyone here uses jolla?
May 02 11:13:51 <antranigv> i remember once one said "we need maemo port on Jolla phone" :P
May 02 11:13:57 <antranigv> and that made my day xD
May 02 11:14:06 <scottc> meee antranigv
May 02 11:14:08 <scottc> haha
May 02 11:14:15 <freemangordon> what for?
May 02 11:14:31 <Pali> it would be even worse...
May 02 11:14:41 <Pali> google is fucking email standards
May 02 11:14:50 <antranigv> my friend has jolla, he said he likes the N900 much more.
May 02 11:14:55 <antranigv> what?
May 02 11:14:57 <freemangordon> makes sense
May 02 11:15:00 <antranigv> gmail is standard?
May 02 11:15:12 <Pali> just expects problems also with emails in near future
May 02 11:15:21 <antranigv> you need google account for jolla?
May 02 11:15:22 <antranigv> aha~
May 02 11:15:26 <scottc> I got my Jolla in February, N900 in March or April for fun and I like both :)
May 02 11:15:40 <Pali> google has already implemented DMARC and SPF
May 02 11:15:42 <antranigv> scottc: which one you like more?
May 02 11:16:08 <Pali> we can just wait until in gmail.com DNS record appear DMARC policy=reject
May 02 11:16:15 <freemangordon> scottc: I've nere used jolla, but from the reviews, videos, etc, I think the UI is overengineered
May 02 11:16:22 <Pali> and all mailing lists stopped working with gmail.com addresses
May 02 11:16:34 <antranigv> Google. killing the net since, lately.
May 02 11:16:49 <scottc> antranigv: it depends really. n900 feels much more hackable and "linux", but a bit slower than the jolla. jolla's is getting better all the time though
May 02 11:16:56 <antranigv> then, there will be 2 type of people. who move to gmail and who don't.
May 02 11:17:06 <scottc> freemangordon: I really like the UI, I find it very intuitive
May 02 11:17:14 <antranigv> I think we need the same N90 with better, hardware?
May 02 11:17:19 <freemangordon> well, we can only hope EU to take countermeasures 
May 02 11:17:25 <antranigv> say, camera, CPU, RAM.
May 02 11:17:28 <Pali> no, then there will be: people who leave gmail and who not
May 02 11:18:01 <freemangordon> Pali: I am not sure I understand what exactly google are doing, could you elaborate?
May 02 11:18:06 <antranigv> the only reason I have a gmail account is youtube. hope will install mediagoblin on my server soon.
May 02 11:19:10 <Pali> DMARC is solution how to define policy stored in DNS for DKIM and SPF
May 02 11:19:14 <freemangordon> scottc: how is jolla compared to harmattan?
May 02 11:20:01 <Pali> DKIM is diginal signature of some email headers stored in email. signature is done by SMTP server with private key (which owns only sending SMTP server)
May 02 11:20:24 <Pali> DMARC specify policies what to do if DKIM signature is invalid or missing
May 02 11:20:38 <scottc> freemangordon: I've never actually used harmattan, unfortunately. i wanted to pick up an N9 to try it out but haven't found one cheaply.
May 02 11:20:58 <Pali> obviosly, when you are sending emails from mailinglist STMP server it does not have private keys of gmai.com and therfore cannot sign those emails
May 02 11:21:04 <antranigv> scottc: I was thinking about buying a N9 as well.
May 02 11:21:34 <antranigv> is there FCamera for N9 ?
May 02 11:21:42 <Pali> also mailinglist servers changing subject header (adding [list] prefix) and therefore if there is DKIM signature, it is invalid
May 02 11:21:46 <scottc> antranigv: I'd like to try one, but I'm not sure how practical it would be...
May 02 11:22:09 <freemangordon> Pali: oh, so the result will be - "only use our web interface and android devices"?
May 02 11:22:45 <Pali> in DNS (gmail.com) record can be specified DMARC policy... e.g reject poclicy means to drop all emails from @gmail.com address without valid DKIM signature
May 02 11:23:00 <Pali> and all systems which support DMARC must follow records in DNS
May 02 11:23:18 <Pali> and signing key is only avalilable at smtp.gmail.com
May 02 11:23:40 <Pali> so you need to use that smtp server for sending emails (or web interface which do that too internally)
May 02 11:23:54 <Pali> but DMARC policy for gmail is not reject yet
May 02 11:24:02 <freemangordon> mhm
May 02 11:24:05 <antranigv> scottc: I find N9 very sexy.
May 02 11:24:05 <Pali> but it is expected to change in near future
May 02 11:24:11 <scottc> antranigv: me too!
May 02 11:24:50 <antranigv> it would be nice to have maemo port on N9, if there is not yet.
May 02 11:25:09 <freemangordon> scottc: antranigv: I have n950, and I can tell you that besides being prettier than n900, it losses by several laps in terms of usability
May 02 11:25:22 <scottc> freemangordon: just due to the OS? hmm
May 02 11:25:27 <freemangordon> not only
May 02 11:25:29 <scottc> I'd like an n950 too, seems like a nice device
May 02 11:25:32 <scottc> then how so?
May 02 11:25:35 <freemangordon> only seems
May 02 11:25:42 <Pali> basically I as mailing list admin will disallow sending emails from such hosts (with policy=reject) to mailing list to prevent lot of bouncing (as everybody with DMARC verifycation does not accept those emails...)
May 02 11:26:08 <antranigv> yay you freemangordon :( are you a nokia dev?
May 02 11:26:18 <freemangordon> hmm, no. how so?
May 02 11:26:24 <Pali> as I said... I suggest everybody to stop using all google/gmail services, emails, etc... now!
May 02 11:26:29 <freemangordon> :D
May 02 11:26:43 <antranigv> Pali: any idea for youtube alternative?
May 02 11:26:43 <freemangordon> but...but.. what is the alternative?
May 02 11:26:53 <Pali> own hosting
May 02 11:26:58 <antranigv> freemangordon: check http://prism-break.org/
May 02 11:27:02 <scottc> own hosting is such a pain in the ass
May 02 11:27:02 <freemangordon> brign up my own e-mail server?
May 02 11:27:09 <scottc> protonmail.ch looks good though
May 02 11:27:20 <Pali> yes and without those fucking SPF, DMARC, ...
May 02 11:27:25 <antranigv> yup, I did that one year ago, and now I;m happy~
May 02 11:27:47 <antranigv> now I have personal xmpp server, email, blog, etc.
May 02 11:27:47 <freemangordon> hmm, I'll politely as maemo admins to register an account on maemo.org for me :D
May 02 11:27:59 <freemangordon> *ask
May 02 11:28:17 <antranigv> it would be nice to have user@member.maemo.org jabber accounts
May 02 11:28:31 <antranigv> using prosody, to sync the maemo.org accounts.
May 02 11:28:43 <freemangordon> anyway the only thing I use my gmail account is to post on LKML
May 02 11:29:03 <antranigv> freemangordon: you can do the same without gmail.
May 02 11:29:09 <Pali> https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/gmail.com
May 02 11:29:14 <Pali> policy is still none
May 02 11:29:35 <Pali> but those who have @google.com address have policy quarantine
May 02 11:29:38 <Pali> https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/google.com
May 02 11:29:38 <freemangordon> antranigv: yes, but my other account os on a server I have only http access to. no pop3 or smtp
May 02 11:30:44 <antranigv> freemangordon: how much do you pay for a service like that? the best as i can see is digital ocean
May 02 11:30:55 <antranigv> just 5$ a month, and you get a complete server
May 02 11:31:29 <antranigv> you can also have a owncloud lol :P
May 02 11:31:32 <freemangordon> antranigv: it is free. but it is a public mail sever
May 02 11:31:38 <freemangordon> abv.bg
May 02 11:32:01 <antranigv> russian?
May 02 11:32:05 <freemangordon> bulgarian
May 02 11:32:14 <antranigv> so similar
May 02 11:32:19 <freemangordon> really?
May 02 11:32:31 <antranigv> I can read it :D
May 02 11:32:36 <freemangordon> :D
May 02 11:32:51 <antranigv> how much space for files?
May 02 11:33:08 <freemangordon> 3GB or somesuch
May 02 11:33:23 <antranigv> ohh that's much for free
May 02 11:33:23 <freemangordon> oh, 10GB
May 02 11:33:35 <freemangordon> "Използвате  1 %  от  10000 MB  лимит "
May 02 11:33:50 <freemangordon> this is "you use 1% of 10000 MB limit"
May 02 11:33:55 <antranigv> :D
May 02 11:34:27 <freemangordon> also, there is file sharing service
May 02 11:35:47 <antranigv> it's nice, I was going to show you another service, with IMAP, but it's only 100MB :D
May 02 11:36:08 <RzR> hi are there any kernel committers around ?
May 02 11:36:22 <freemangordon> RzR: which kernel? :)
May 02 11:36:31 <RzR> freex 
May 02 11:36:41 <freemangordon> ~freex
May 02 11:36:54 <freemangordon> ~wiki freex
May 02 11:36:57 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freex (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{refimprove|date=December 2007}} {{Infobox comic book title |title=Freex |image= |imagesize= |caption= |schedule= |format= |publisher=Malibu Comics |date= |issues= |main_char_team=AJAnythingBoomboyCaymanPlugPressureSweetface |writers= |artists= |pencillers= |inkers= |letterers= |colorists= |creative_team_month= |creative_team_year= |creators=Gerard Jones & Ben Herrera |TPB= |ISBN= ...
May 02 11:37:28 <freemangordon> hmm, a comic book?
May 02 11:37:33 <RzR> Freax
May 02 11:37:42 <RzR> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Naming 
May 02 11:37:50 <RzR> mainline
May 02 11:38:11 <RzR> I have a patch to send to maintainers but pre review is welcome
May 02 11:38:23 <freemangordon> none I am aware of, not sure if nishant has push rights
May 02 11:38:24 <RzR>  https://github.com/rzr/linux/commit/a044c60b0
May 02 11:40:50 <Pali> RzR: its ok, go ahead
May 02 11:41:06 <freemangordon> RzR: you can add my "Reviewed by:" if it helps
May 02 11:41:06 <RzR> It's based on master branch it's the good way to do this ?
May 02 11:41:16 <RzR> Sure I can
May 02 11:41:43 <freemangordon> RzR: but I am not the maintainer of that file, so it doesn;t make much of a sesne
May 02 11:41:59 <freemangordon> RzR: just git-send-mail that patch to lkml
May 02 11:42:04 <Pali> use git format-patch to generate patch file
May 02 11:42:14 <Pali> then use ./scripts/get_maintainers.pl <patch_file> to get list of maintainers
May 02 11:42:38 <freemangordon> Pali: oh, what was that script called, for patch checking?
May 02 11:42:42 <Pali> and then use git send-email <patch_file> --to='email1' --to='email2' ... for senfing patch file
May 02 11:42:59 <Pali> freemangordon: ./scripts/check_patch.pl
May 02 11:43:02 <freemangordon> yeah
May 02 11:43:09 <freemangordon> RzR: use ^^^ before sending
May 02 11:43:38 <freemangordon> as I am not sure github correctly shows whitespaces
May 02 11:43:45 <RzR> bbl
May 02 11:52:27 <RzR> can't I just use git send-email ?
May 02 11:52:32 <RzR> yea
May 02 11:52:40 <RzR> ok
May 02 11:52:52 <RzR> I know what to do now
May 02 11:53:17 <Pali> RzR: git send-email can be configured to use smtp server instead local sendmail (if you need it)
May 02 12:00:21 <RzR> thx i got it working fine 
May 02 14:49:24 <Lord_Farkenstein> hello bots
May 02 14:49:28 * Lord_Farkenstein sits back cracks open a beer and reaches for some popcorn
May 02 15:12:27 * Lord_Farkenstein wakes up to find samurai chicken's playing 
May 02 15:15:28 * Lord_Farkenstein hears the sound of a giant chicken marching to the slaughter...
May 02 15:15:41 * Lord_Farkenstein appreciates surround sound
May 02 18:14:10 <princefakhan_> hello.
May 02 18:14:20 <princefakhan_> just testing.
May 02 18:15:31 <princefakhan_> I recieve a "cannot send to this channel" on another channel
May 02 18:16:25 <merlin1991> princefakhan: could be that the channel is +m and you don't have voice
May 02 18:17:24 <princefakhan> no it is not.
May 02 18:17:43 <merlin1991> interesting
May 02 18:17:58 <princefakhan> it is only happening with my secondary nick.
May 02 18:18:15 <princefakhan> guess that's because u have to register urself there.
May 02 18:18:32 <princefakhan> I can have contact with this nick.
May 02 18:19:59 <princefakhan> I have been having frequent connects/disconnects too today.
May 02 18:25:34 <honestly>  /7
May 02 18:26:23 <princefakhan> yes honestly honestly
May 02 18:32:59 <princefakhan> merlin1991, u work on cssu-thumb?
May 02 18:45:40 <merlin1991> princefakhan: freemangordon does
May 02 18:45:44 <merlin1991> I just provide hosting
May 02 18:49:05 <princefakhan> hmmm. right.
May 02 18:49:50 <itsupport> My favorite dish is potatoe. anyone else?
May 02 18:49:51 <princefakhan> I wanted to know what are the cssu dev are doing these days.
May 02 18:50:05 <princefakhan> maybe something exciting.
May 02 18:50:34 <itsupport> oh hm what
May 02 18:50:51 <KotCzarny> you should ask for permission before bringing talking bot
May 02 18:51:29 <itsupport> I'm sorry
May 02 19:54:24 <DerHat> Hi, is Nitrdroid realy using 1150Mhz as default cpu frequency like described in NITDroid_FAQ?
May 02 19:54:48 <DerHat> last time i overclocked maemo to 1150 i got a freeze after less then 1 sec
May 02 19:55:25 <princefakhan> it must be if its in the official faqs
May 02 20:03:54 <ShadowJK> afaik, freemangordon's "dsp" profile works to 950, but you need other profiles to go beyond that
May 02 20:04:08 <freemangordon> it is 805
May 02 20:04:31 <ShadowJK> Ah right
May 02 20:04:36 <freemangordon> 805 CPU 600 DSP
May 02 20:04:59 <freemangordon> anything beyond that is too much for my taste
May 02 20:05:03 <DerHat> Stability Issues?
May 02 20:05:05 <DerHat> NITDroid uses 500 1150 default CPU clock settings which....
May 02 20:05:15 <DerHat> copyied from faq
May 02 20:05:27 <freemangordon> yes, stability and EM considerations
May 02 20:07:10 <ShadowJK> I keep mine at 600 most of the time, occasionally at 905
May 02 20:07:37 <DerHat> well, after i installed nitdroid i cannot boot maemo anymore, pressing 0 or 1 in boot menu results a boot-menu-loop ): 
May 02 20:10:46 <princefakhan> any news about n15
May 02 20:41:58 <merlin1991> b.e.e.r.
May 02 20:44:19 <princefakhan> 404: abbreviation not found
May 02 21:37:02 <DerHat> looks like maemo kernel is not avaiaible or not accessable, can i install it from nitdroid terminal??
May 02 21:38:10 <bencoh> what do you mean by "not available" ?
May 02 21:38:14 <bencoh> and how do you know ?
May 02 21:41:42 <DerHat> on the boot screen, there is some boot informations like kernel, params, filesystem etc... when i try boot maemo there is everything without "Kernel" information empty! somebody posted in forum he reflashed maemo kernel and works for him.
May 02 21:42:08 <DerHat> when i hit 1 the "modules" field shows ext3
May 02 21:42:23 <DerHat> kernel is "2.6.27omap1"
May 02 21:55:55 <Sicelo> that was never an N900 kernel. 2.6.28 is the lowest that we know of (not saying .27 wouldn't work)
May 02 21:57:05 <ShadowJK> I vaguely recall maemo userland relies on some kernel features?
May 02 21:59:29 <DerHat> what can i do now to recover maemo? is there an other way then reflash device using a pc? 
May 02 22:00:18 <DerHat> nitdroid is running well, maybe i can flash from there:P?
May 02 22:12:09 <Sicelo> flash the kernel only
May 02 22:12:24 <bencoh> you can also try booting with a supplied kernel
May 02 22:12:54 <bencoh> (from usb)
May 02 22:20:41 <DerHat> bencoh can you explain or give me a link?
May 02 22:22:14 <DerHat> have this something to do with pressing u while boot device?
May 02 22:27:54 <bencoh> DerHat: flasher allows you to "load" a kernel/initrd instead of flashing it
May 02 22:28:09 <bencoh> -l instead of -f iirc
May 02 22:28:22 <bencoh> (not sure about that one, check the syntax)
May 02 22:28:46 <DerHat> you re right, sounds like a fail-save method 
May 02 23:19:04 <DerHat> lol, i think just the maemo boot entry in bootloader is incorrect. maybe i can fix it
May 02 23:29:54 <DerHat> i found boot menu entries, folder is read only so i cant change them :/ also tryed chmod +r multiboot.d result is: "Bad Mode"
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