**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 03 03:00:00 2015
May 03 07:33:20 <princefakhan> anybody Indian here? I want a battery for my baby.
May 03 09:18:29 <L29Ah> i've bought a n900 (yay!)
May 03 09:18:43 <bencoh> yay! :)
May 03 09:18:49 <L29Ah> wondering why doesn't it want to charge my battery
May 03 09:18:59 <L29Ah> 0 CHGS  Charge State flag. A 1 in the CHGS indicates a charge current (VSRP > VSRN). Charging.
May 03 09:19:05 <princefakhan> wow! cool
May 03 09:19:32 <L29Ah> it used to, but then i've soldered some two 18650s and it stopped
May 03 09:31:16 <L29Ah> https://dump.bitcheese.net/files/avijeju/n900-cutie.jpeg
May 03 09:31:19 <bencoh> hmm
May 03 09:31:29 <bencoh> wtf
May 03 09:31:53 <bencoh> poor thing
May 03 09:32:46 <princefakhan> lol. 
May 03 09:32:58 <Wizzup_> princefakhan: wrt battery, there are threads on t.m.o and the wiki that lists tons of batteries
May 03 09:33:06 <princefakhan> looks like that would suffice my phones battery need to.
May 03 09:33:16 <princefakhan> *too
May 03 09:33:52 <Wizzup_> https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Batteries
May 03 09:34:22 <princefakhan> Wizzup_: thanks. but are they available in here.
May 03 09:34:33 <Wizzup_> ebay.com is not available in your country?
May 03 09:35:08 <Wizzup_> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568
May 03 09:35:29 <Wizzup_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PolarCell-Batterie-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-XpressMusic-XM-Battery-/390402445382?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item5ae5cc9046
May 03 09:37:51 <princefakhan> it is. I was fraid of the shipping charges.
May 03 09:39:40 <Wizzup_> Postage:
May 03 09:39:41 <Wizzup_> Free 
May 03 09:39:55 <princefakhan> yeah I just saw it.
May 03 09:40:20 <princefakhan> that is the best replacement a/c to the wiki.
May 03 09:40:27 <princefakhan> guess I will buy it.
May 03 09:41:21 <princefakhan> or if I see any larger batteries in the same price on my local stores, I will go for them.
May 03 09:41:29 <bencoh> yeah, polarcells are cool
May 03 09:41:38 <princefakhan> :D
May 03 09:41:44 <bencoh> princefakhan: dont go for "larger batteries"
May 03 09:42:06 <bencoh> unless they're really physically larger (volume), like Mugens
May 03 09:43:05 <princefakhan> huh! but its 2015.
May 03 09:43:15 <princefakhan> I thought thay may be available now.
May 03 09:43:44 <princefakhan> or not. all the phones with bl-5j are dead.
May 03 09:44:09 <bencoh> 2015 or not, it's still the same techno :)
May 03 09:44:26 <princefakhan> hmmm. :)
May 03 09:44:42 <bencoh> and we simply dont have anything better (that would fit in this volume)
May 03 09:45:08 <princefakhan> well then Polarcell it is.
May 03 09:45:28 <bencoh> most of the batteries claiming a higher capacity are just scam :)
May 03 09:46:21 <princefakhan> yeah I saw the tmo page.
May 03 09:46:25 <bencoh> :)
May 03 09:46:36 <princefakhan> one claims to be 1500. and its 1300.
May 03 09:46:54 <bencoh> polarcells are actually ~1500
May 03 09:47:27 <bencoh> (according to the bq272xx chip)
May 03 09:47:32 <princefakhan> and I guess I can find 2000mah bl-5js in marjet today. since people know they need bigger batteries now.
May 03 09:47:38 <princefakhan> hmmm.
May 03 09:47:49 <L29Ah> we need some photos of a fuel cell powered n900
May 03 09:47:57 <bencoh> haha
May 03 09:48:07 <princefakhan> haha.
May 03 09:52:04 <princefakhan> I would rather have neo900 than a fuel cell powered n900
May 03 09:52:31 <L29Ah> it actually might even be cheaper
May 03 09:52:32 <drathir> solar powered ones...
May 03 09:53:13 <princefakhan> what might be. fuel cell or neo900
May 03 09:53:36 <L29Ah> neo900
May 03 09:53:46 <bencoh> ~700e ;p
May 03 09:54:00 <princefakhan> uh! well that's why I'm saying I would want a neo900
May 03 09:54:32 <princefakhan> is there any estimate of how much it will cost though
May 03 10:00:21 <DerHat> fuel cell powered n900 LOL
May 03 10:21:37 <chem|st> princefakhan: ~600eur?
May 03 10:21:51 <bencoh> + a n900 board
May 03 10:22:14 <chem|st> bencoh: + housing, not board
May 03 10:22:18 <bencoh> s/board/case/
May 03 10:22:18 <infobot> bencoh meant: + a n900 case
May 03 10:22:19 <bencoh> yeah :)
May 03 10:22:32 <bencoh> (case+a few components)
May 03 10:23:50 <princefakhan> so 600 eur for just the board.
May 03 10:28:01 <bencoh> rough estimate, but most probably
May 03 10:28:08 <bencoh> there is no official price yet
May 03 10:28:32 <scottc> 600 euro...
May 03 10:28:36 <zzz|princefakhan> okay. 
May 03 10:29:07 <zzz|princefakhan> cuz 600 is well... too much
May 03 10:29:24 <scottc> wasn't the n900 originally about that price?
May 03 10:29:36 <L29Ah> > According to current calculations, the cost of motherboard should be somewhere around 990 EUR. Complete device will cost about 150 EUR more, depending on prices and availability of N900 spare parts.
May 03 10:29:40 <L29Ah> http://neo900.org/faq
May 03 10:29:46 <bencoh> wait, what ?
May 03 10:29:48 <bencoh> 990 ?
May 03 10:29:56 <zzz|princefakhan> whoa!
May 03 10:30:06 <bencoh> Status: 2015-05-01 
May 03 10:30:07 <bencoh> oh
May 03 10:30:13 <scottc> lol...
May 03 10:30:22 <zzz|princefakhan> :P
May 03 10:30:45 <bencoh> wtf.
May 03 10:31:26 <scottc> for 1000 euro you could get a used n900, a jolla, a nexus 5 and a refurb thinkpad
May 03 10:31:37 <scottc> that's a bit mad
May 03 10:31:55 <zzz|princefakhan> yes u can. smartphones are cheaper now.
May 03 10:32:04 <scottc> aye
May 03 10:32:18 <scottc> still, if they have 200 people interested at that price point then more power to them
May 03 10:32:33 <scottc> i'd love to see it get out the door, even if it's too pricey for me
May 03 10:32:48 <zzz|princefakhan> we are getting better hardware on 300 eur phone thn a 600 euro one.
May 03 10:32:58 <bencoh> s/better/different/
May 03 10:33:05 <bencoh> (sure, better specs ... but no isolation)
May 03 10:33:13 <zzz|princefakhan> hmmm.
May 03 10:33:58 <zzz|princefakhan> my point: don't buy samshit
May 03 10:34:00 <bencoh> (modem is just a usb peripheral)
May 03 10:34:21 <zzz|princefakhan> u have 1+ one
May 03 10:34:59 <bencoh> 1+1 has qualcomm/MSM inside
May 03 10:35:10 <zzz|princefakhan> so?
May 03 10:35:44 <bencoh> modem has control over everything
May 03 10:37:13 <zzz|princefakhan> ?
May 03 11:30:33 <KotCzarny> but 18550 are ~1500mAh
May 03 11:30:43 <KotCzarny> so its better to get mugen one i guess
May 03 11:30:59 <L29Ah> 18650 are 2 to 3,5Ah
May 03 11:31:16 <KotCzarny> those are 18650?
May 03 11:31:21 <L29Ah> yep
May 03 11:31:37 <KotCzarny> ah, right, missed it
May 03 11:31:51 <KotCzarny> maybe one of the got discharged too deep?
May 03 11:32:35 <krbtgt_> my windows phone takes the same batteries as my N900, but in a larger mAh
May 03 11:33:33 <L29Ah> eh, i think i've merged myself in a wrong thread
May 03 11:33:43 <L29Ah> or not
May 03 11:33:51 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: what
May 03 11:34:28 <krbtgt_> i also a stack of featurephones that take the same batteries as the n900
May 03 11:34:29 <KotCzarny> dont know, got discharged, damaged internally and is shorted
May 03 11:34:37 <krbtgt_> so i can use them as battery chargers
May 03 11:34:40 <KotCzarny> thats why bme refuses to charge
May 03 11:35:09 <L29Ah> no, they're all good
May 03 11:35:16 <bencoh> L29Ah: how did you take care of the BSI ?
May 03 11:35:20 <L29Ah> except the internal one that is just old
May 03 11:35:42 <L29Ah> i didn't touch it
May 03 11:35:45 <KotCzarny> so you have 3 batteries now connected in parallel?
May 03 11:35:48 <L29Ah> ye
May 03 11:35:50 <KotCzarny> lol
May 03 11:36:17 <KotCzarny> check without internal?
May 03 11:36:27 <L29Ah> i have to destroy it
May 03 11:36:36 <L29Ah> this way
May 03 11:37:13 <L29Ah> or not
May 03 11:37:24 <bencoh> L29Ah: what is it plugged to, then ?
May 03 11:37:24 <L29Ah> but i don't have crocodile connectors
May 03 11:37:30 <bencoh> (the BSI pin)
May 03 11:37:36 <KotCzarny> to the internal battery
May 03 11:37:40 <KotCzarny> bl-5j
May 03 11:38:31 <L29Ah> anyway the battery is charging fine via an external charger
May 03 11:38:57 <bencoh> oh, 'k
May 03 11:38:58 <L29Ah> but i'm going to be away from home for a month so i'd love to have the usb charging option
May 03 11:39:19 <L29Ah> and the calculated runtime for this setup is a week or two
May 03 11:39:36 <L29Ah> i should set up some suspend to ram thing btw
May 03 11:39:51 <bencoh> does it work on n900 ?
May 03 11:39:54 <bencoh> (s2ram)
May 03 11:39:58 <L29Ah> yeah
May 03 11:40:32 <L29Ah> bencoh: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
May 03 11:41:05 <bencoh> hm, is that a real s2ram ?
May 03 11:41:31 <bencoh> nevermind, echo mem >/sys/power/state :)
May 03 11:42:32 <bencoh> hmm, it already says "mem"
May 03 11:42:50 <KotCzarny> what it says is what is available
May 03 11:43:04 <KotCzarny> you choose one of the options
May 03 11:43:13 <bencoh> oh, okay
May 03 11:43:17 <bencoh> let's try
May 03 11:43:25 <bencoh> erm, before trying ... how do you get it back on ?
May 03 11:43:38 <KotCzarny> power button i guess
May 03 11:44:07 <L29Ah> or the unblock hook
May 03 11:44:15 <L29Ah> or an incoming call (didn't test yet)
May 03 11:45:15 <bencoh> soo ... screen went black, then a lot of (kernel ?) logs, then black
May 03 11:45:37 <bencoh> and ... power botton brings back the powermenu
May 03 11:46:19 <bencoh> hmm, actually, closing keyboard brings it back on as well ...
May 03 11:46:21 <KotCzarny> you would have to measure how much power it takes
May 03 11:46:28 <KotCzarny> then might be it doesnt work
May 03 11:46:33 <KotCzarny> check dmesg
May 03 11:46:58 <KotCzarny> or write a script writing date every second to /tmp
May 03 11:47:03 <KotCzarny> and check if it gets suspended
May 03 11:48:42 <bencoh> it works all right, just that closing keyboard changes a gpio
May 03 11:48:47 <bencoh> and it wakes it
May 03 11:49:03 <KotCzarny> cool
May 03 11:49:23 <KotCzarny> wonder how much power it draws in this state
May 03 11:49:30 <bencoh> me too
May 03 11:49:34 <bencoh> wiki says 2ma
May 03 11:50:53 <krbtgt_> making calls on an n900?
May 03 11:50:58 <KotCzarny> :>
May 03 11:51:07 <krbtgt_> i thought that was something made up by nokia to sell n900s
May 03 11:51:08 <KotCzarny> amazing, isnt it?
May 03 11:52:12 <bencoh> haha
May 03 11:53:06 <bencoh> I'll try calling it
May 03 11:56:14 <bencoh> it does wake up, but I get the "no sim" icon on wake up, then no phone services (2G status and phone services provider's name disappear)
May 03 11:56:32 <bencoh> and I eventually get the "not available" tone at the other end
May 03 11:56:44 <L29Ah> :[
May 03 11:56:44 <bencoh> TL;DR: nope. :)
May 03 11:56:57 <bencoh> not far though
May 03 12:22:56 <CATP> Finishing flashing... done
May 03 12:22:59 <CATP> CMT flashing failed
May 03 12:23:01 <CATP> What is CMT?
May 03 12:23:04 <CATP> Please?
May 03 12:38:31 <Pali> cellular modem
May 03 12:39:23 <CATP> Thank Ya
May 03 12:39:41 <CATP> How can i reset the Lock-Code?
May 03 12:39:43 <CATP> Please?
May 03 12:59:30 <kerio> who cares about the lock code
May 03 12:59:32 <kerio> you can just crack it
May 03 12:59:35 <kerio> boot from rescueos
May 03 12:59:38 <kerio> ~rescueos
May 03 12:59:39 <infobot> from memory, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
May 03 13:00:09 <kerio> and then the code is crypt()ed in the CAL mtd partition
May 03 13:00:12 <kerio> easily reversed
May 03 13:00:50 <kerio> if the flashing is failing because your modem is fucked up, you can just tell the flasher to flash everything else
May 03 13:59:06 <Openbot> princefakhan you can try belief premium 1500 mah 
May 03 14:00:01 <Openbot> princefakhan costs about rs 200 to 250
May 03 14:02:04 <Openbot> princefakhan also stock battrey is 1300 mah but now a days  few manufacturers also provide 1500 mah  battreys 
May 03 14:03:08 <Openbot> so you also get a noticeable more uptime than stock
May 03 14:06:22 <keesj> it has been 10 years since I brought my 770. And I can truelt say this is the device that changed my life (and certainly career) !
May 03 14:06:28 <keesj> truly
May 03 14:06:45 <KotCzarny> life
May 03 14:06:59 <KotCzarny> if i had 770 i could compile decent player for it
May 03 14:07:09 <Openbot> well 770 is too low for my taste
May 03 14:07:14 <keesj> found this one in my archieves http://www.keesj.dds.nl/n770/oneko/
May 03 14:07:46 <Openbot> does 770 do fb chat 
May 03 14:08:14 <keesj> I was so great to have one of the first, the first? hackable (linux) device
May 03 14:09:51 <Openbot> i love my n900 as i can fire multiple instances of opera mini  have dozens of tabs open 
May 03 14:10:04 <Openbot> so much pleasure
May 03 14:10:18 <Openbot> also its smoooth
May 03 14:10:49 <Openbot> nither it eats too much batrey 
May 03 14:10:54 <keesj> I haven't played lately with my devices (I have lots of different hardware now)
May 03 14:11:53 <keesj> http://cosy-home.garage.maemo.org/ it is all still there!
May 03 14:11:54 <Openbot> my primary music player is a jxd 661 which i bought years back
May 03 14:12:06 <Openbot> aha
May 03 14:12:28 <keesj> and an other unfinished project http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=SDL_gfx 
May 03 14:12:44 <keesj> Still. it was lots of fun and changed my life
May 03 14:13:00 <bencoh> :)
May 03 14:13:29 <Openbot> on n900 i use that awakard oscp and car mode pf omp when in transist
May 03 14:13:40 <krbtgt_> my n900 is my bedside IRC device
May 03 14:13:46 <Openbot> \of
May 03 14:14:20 <Openbot> krbtgt_ i got a dedside n900 too
May 03 14:14:27 <Openbot> :)
May 03 14:14:44 <krbtgt_> i have an N800 too but its not as practical
May 03 14:15:36 <joga> I've set up my n800 to just be a skype phone but never actually use it
May 03 14:16:45 <L29Ah> [17:06:22]<keesj> it has been 10 years since I brought my 770. And I can truelt say this is the device that changed my life (and certainly career) !
May 03 14:16:47 <krbtgt_> i think my N800 has more games on it
May 03 14:16:49 <L29Ah> are you a jolla developer nowadays?
May 03 14:17:04 <krbtgt_> it has more buttons for doing games so that's nie
May 03 14:17:45 <keesj> L29Ah: Well I recently started looking into Jolla but I work for an ethical  phone manufacturer (Fairphone.com)
May 03 14:18:05 <keesj> we currently ship Android
May 03 14:19:58 <L29Ah> :3
May 03 14:21:43 <keesj> I had a very good time with this community(maemo summit, mozilla week-end in copenhagen, linuxtag) 
May 03 14:22:54 <keesj> I don't konw why but I also re-started playing with my c64 lately
May 03 14:59:37 <DerHat> hey, its me. again): need som help with flasher for n900
May 03 15:00:23 <DerHat> each time i tryed to flash device i lost usb connection ->black screen-> again and again
May 03 15:00:41 <DerHat> i read the problem is that the battery is to low
May 03 15:01:32 <DerHat> now i tryed "flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -l -R" and the "maemo loading dots" was coming up, looks like usb is charging the device now, am i right?
May 03 15:01:55 <DerHat> because, i cant boot maemo. just damaged system by installing multiboot
May 03 15:03:22 <DerHat> tryed to charge by using nitdroid without success :/ now nitroid also wont boot
May 03 15:03:45 <DerHat> the flasher detected the usb device but lost connection before start flashing
May 03 15:06:08 <Sicelo> ~multiboot
May 03 15:06:08 <infobot> well, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot
May 03 15:06:18 <Sicelo> anyway
May 03 15:06:44 <Sicelo> the BL-5J is also used in a number of other Nokias. Get hold of one & charge it there
May 03 15:07:59 <DerHat> so it is not charging yet? yellow led is lighting up every second
May 03 15:09:19 <bencoh> it's probably charging then
May 03 15:10:26 <DerHat> okay, i mean, because of this: http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f148/nokia-n900-fake-charing-1535097/ im not sure
May 03 15:11:01 <DerHat> there is a lot of ppl who say n900 fake charge
May 03 15:12:12 <KotCzarny> derhat: someone here said that device can charge even without system loaded, failsafe charing kick in after ~30s
May 03 15:12:22 <Sicelo> if you have flashing amber, generally it should charging.
May 03 15:12:42 <KotCzarny> krbtgt_: n800 not useful? check my oscp and turn it into perfect media device
May 03 15:12:54 <Sicelo> and that means your system is working .. what makes you say it's damaged?
May 03 15:13:02 <KotCzarny> he cant boot
May 03 15:13:08 <DerHat> yep
May 03 15:13:14 <KotCzarny> played with nolo i guess
May 03 15:13:31 <Sicelo> ~flabat-recover
May 03 15:13:42 <Sicelo> ~flatbat-recover
May 03 15:13:47 <Sicelo> hmm
May 03 15:13:53 <Sicelo> ~flatbatrecover
May 03 15:13:54 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)
May 03 15:14:34 <KotCzarny> he broke nolo, so i guess no rootfs/initrd
May 03 15:14:52 <CATP> kerio: ktnx
May 03 15:15:04 <DerHat> Kot, multiboot still loading, but when i choose system there is only error
May 03 15:15:08 <Sicelo> strange. he shouldn't have flashing amber
May 03 15:15:25 <KotCzarny> sicelo, maybe its failsafe charging
May 03 15:16:09 <Sicelo> iirc doesn't do flashing amber .. there's different pattern (steady amber if i'm not mistaken)
May 03 15:16:11 <DerHat> i loaded RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM using flasher to phone, the only chance to show up the maemo loading dots
May 03 15:16:19 <DerHat> good idea?
May 03 15:16:56 <DerHat> i mean without -f because i cant flash with low battery
May 03 15:17:13 <DerHat> -l -R instead
May 03 15:17:32 <KotCzarny> grab any device that can charge bl-5j and reflash with full battery?
May 03 15:17:47 <KotCzarny> i guess you can ask someone to borrow phone for 30-60mins
May 03 15:19:50 <DerHat> well, idk anyone who got nokia devices, most ppl use iphone. but i got a voltage regulator 1.5-70V maybe i can use this??
May 03 15:20:01 <DerHat> also got a multimeter and oscilloscope to view ampere
May 03 15:20:06 <KotCzarny> if you are adventurous
May 03 15:20:22 <KotCzarny> and if you know electronics you can make your own charger for li-ions
May 03 15:21:25 <bencoh> KotCzarny: he didnt break nolo
May 03 15:21:34 <bencoh> he wouldnt be able to go that far if he did
May 03 15:21:38 <KotCzarny> ahm
May 03 15:22:25 <bencoh> DerHat: just wait for it to charge in blinking/breathing yellow state
May 03 15:22:44 <DerHat> yea its going to be green right?
May 03 15:23:39 <bencoh> I guess so :]
May 03 15:23:43 <Sicelo> only green when full
May 03 15:23:53 <DerHat> okay
May 03 15:24:19 <DerHat> thx for support! :- ) 
May 03 15:25:40 <bencoh> meanwhile you can gather some doc about uboot, flasher, bootmenu vs multiboot and preinit :)
May 03 15:26:08 <DerHat> is it possible to load/boot anyway maemo from usb/flasher?
May 03 15:26:36 <bencoh> I know how to load rescueos
May 03 15:26:39 <bencoh> I dunno about maemo
May 03 15:27:01 <Sicelo> you can only load kernel :)
May 03 15:27:24 <Sicelo> so Maemo.. no. 
May 03 15:27:28 <bencoh> kernel+initrd ... kernel should be enough if you think your maemo kernel is (why ?) corrupted
May 03 15:27:48 <bencoh> Sicelo: given correct kernel args it should be able to boot maemo rootfs
May 03 15:27:54 <KotCzarny> i think he only has wrong params for multiboot
May 03 15:27:56 <bencoh> but if the fs is corrupted ...
May 03 15:28:00 <KotCzarny> so the rest is untouched
May 03 15:28:12 <bencoh> could be
May 03 15:28:36 <Sicelo> you can't load the rootfs .. has to be properly in place. too big for ram
May 03 15:28:50 <bencoh> Sicelo: I mean, inplace
May 03 15:28:52 <bencoh> from the nand
May 03 15:28:54 <bencoh> like a regular boot
May 03 15:28:54 <Sicelo> :)
May 03 15:29:03 <Sicelo> so yes, you loading only kernel
May 03 15:29:15 <bencoh> yeah
May 03 15:29:31 <KotCzarny> kernel cam have initrd glued in
May 03 15:29:36 <KotCzarny> s/cam/can/
May 03 15:29:36 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: kernel can have initrd glued in
May 03 15:29:49 <Sicelo> yep
May 03 15:30:03 <DerHat> okay
May 03 15:30:19 <KotCzarny> one should prepare such rescueos
May 03 15:30:38 <KotCzarny> or is there one already? (bootable wholly from usb flasher)
May 03 15:30:46 <bencoh> there is
May 03 15:30:48 <Sicelo> yep.
May 03 15:31:00 <Sicelo> ~rescueos
May 03 15:31:00 <infobot> hmm... rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
May 03 15:31:12 <KotCzarny> nice, perfect setup for trying diff. builds
May 03 15:31:23 <Sicelo> builds of?
May 03 15:31:27 <KotCzarny> kernel
May 03 15:31:33 <KotCzarny> and maybe glibc
May 03 15:32:20 <Sicelo> you can even setup your own OS for that, which is tailored to your exact needs
May 03 15:32:51 <DerHat> wuuuut?? can i just load rescueOS using flasher and boot them???
May 03 15:32:53 <KotCzarny> yeah, and mount --bind or symlink things 
May 03 15:33:00 <KotCzarny> derhat: yes
May 03 15:33:03 <DerHat> then flash from that os??
May 03 15:33:08 <KotCzarny> nope
May 03 15:33:14 <KotCzarny> just run it 
May 03 15:33:21 <KotCzarny> nothing written to flash
May 03 15:33:32 <DerHat> isnt that a unix os?
May 03 15:33:32 <KotCzarny> but needs correct params to util
May 03 15:33:50 <KotCzarny> what is 'that' ?
May 03 15:34:14 <DerHat> rescueOS
May 03 15:34:15 <bencoh> rescueos is a linux kernel + some userland
May 03 15:34:32 <KotCzarny> yeah, kernel + filesysystem loaded into ramdisk
May 03 15:34:56 <bencoh> mounting the nand can be a pain sometimes iirc
May 03 15:34:57 <DerHat> yea, then mount filesystem and rewrite to it? why should it not work?
May 03 15:35:15 <bencoh> I think last time I tried I had some issue, dont remember why
May 03 15:35:31 <bencoh> (but it worked in the end)
May 03 15:35:51 <Sicelo> DerHat: you won't have complete access to the nand that way
May 03 15:36:00 <Sicelo> CAL area for example
May 03 15:36:00 <KotCzarny> sicelo: why not?
May 03 15:36:27 <Sicelo> you can fix problems in your rootfs for sure
May 03 15:36:40 <bencoh> because CAL isnt standard in anyway and you need libcal and other fancy tools
May 03 15:36:45 <Sicelo> but there's no way to "flash" from a secondary OS
May 03 15:37:04 <DerHat> okay:/
May 03 15:37:04 <KotCzarny> bencoh, but if you mount rootfs (even ro) then you have access to tools
May 03 15:37:14 <DerHat> right:D
May 03 15:37:36 <Sicelo> there's a complete protocol to flashing
May 03 15:37:51 <Sicelo> not just an overwrite of files
May 03 15:38:09 <DerHat> ok, then i wait for battery and flash with usb
May 03 15:41:40 <Sicelo> so Nitdroid still only works with Multiboot? No way to use it via uboot+bootmenu?
May 03 15:43:48 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 03 15:44:14 <KotCzarny> pity there is no way to run nitdroid as a virtual machine in maemo
May 03 15:44:32 <KotCzarny> or maybe with xen?
May 03 15:45:59 <DerHat> sicelo pretty sure i saw tutorials for nitdroid+uboot
May 03 15:46:36 <DerHat> isnt uboot a bootmenu?
May 03 15:51:30 <DerHat> just remember they wrote multiboot sux!
May 03 15:51:55 <DerHat> and going to damage nand flash or something
May 03 15:55:10 <Sicelo> uboot is not a boot menu, but a special kernel
May 03 15:55:42 <Sicelo> that allows you to load another kernel :) so uboot is a bootloader in much simpler terms
May 03 15:56:04 <bencoh> it does provide a kind of boot menu with its bootscript feature though
May 03 16:56:24 <L29Ah> okay, ditching the camera cover brought some unintended consequences
May 03 16:56:44 <KotCzarny> get a magnetic piece from it
May 03 16:56:46 <L29Ah> i need some trigger to reset camera after it fucks up
May 03 16:56:57 <L29Ah> i've glued a white paper
May 03 16:56:58 <KotCzarny> that's what triggers it
May 03 16:57:06 <L29Ah> nope
May 03 16:57:07 <KotCzarny> maybe wrong orientation
May 03 16:57:26 <bencoh> why dont you just keep a bl-5j and an extra (external) usb battery ?
May 03 16:57:41 <L29Ah> eh, regluing it doesn't work
May 03 16:57:44 <L29Ah> rebooting does
May 03 16:58:06 <L29Ah> bencoh: because usb battery have effective capacity /2
May 03 16:58:10 <L29Ah> due to extra conversions
May 03 16:58:25 <L29Ah> and unneccessary recharging of the internal battery
May 03 16:58:31 <L29Ah> or even worse than /2
May 03 17:00:22 <L29Ah> board_rx51_camera       5088  1 
May 03 17:00:22 <L29Ah> omap34xxcam_mod        18308  10 
May 03 17:00:22 <L29Ah> i wonder what uses all these
May 03 17:01:18 <bencoh> L29Ah: yeah but permanently strapping 2 batteries on the back of your n900 isnt exactly great
May 03 17:01:23 <bencoh> but .... your call :)
May 03 17:02:21 <L29Ah> they aren't permanently strapped
May 03 17:02:31 <L29Ah> it's a case for removable batteries
May 03 17:02:37 <L29Ah> so i could carry more and replace as needed
May 03 17:02:40 <L29Ah> :]
May 03 17:03:51 <bencoh> oh
May 03 17:05:02 <KotCzarny> l29ah, make a nun-chucks case
May 03 17:05:17 <KotCzarny> it will double as a self defense tool
May 03 17:05:26 <bencoh> :]
May 03 17:08:09 <L29Ah> posessing nunchucks in russia is a criminal offence
May 03 17:08:15 <L29Ah> i don't wanna get jailed for n900
May 03 17:08:18 <KotCzarny> you can say its a battery case
May 03 17:08:21 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 17:08:27 <KotCzarny> but seriously, it is?
May 03 17:08:55 <L29Ah> yea
May 03 17:08:57 <L29Ah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunchaku
May 03 17:08:59 <L29Ah> /russ
May 03 17:09:21 <totalizator> Defiant: I have installed Nitdroid with multiboot years ago, upgraded to uboot and then fixed it (Nd) so it works - there should be a thread on TMO how to do it
May 03 17:10:20 <KotCzarny> wow, its also illegal in poland
May 03 17:11:01 <KotCzarny> also in .uk
May 03 17:11:10 <L29Ah> okay the camera app puts the photos into some /dev/null
May 03 17:11:33 * L29Ah wonders if it's because he formatted mmcblk0p1 as ext2
May 03 17:11:38 <KotCzarny> and in new york/california
May 03 17:12:27 <L29Ah> seriously dangerous stuff!
May 03 17:12:48 <KotCzarny> yeah..
May 03 17:12:54 <KotCzarny> piece of wood
May 03 17:12:58 <KotCzarny> and a bit of chain
May 03 17:13:00 <totalizator> in US everything is illegal
May 03 17:13:05 <totalizator> except firearms
May 03 17:13:10 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 17:15:02 <bencoh> krkr
May 03 17:20:11 <L29Ah> what is the most awesome camera app?
May 03 17:20:23 <KotCzarny> not much choice there
May 03 17:20:26 <KotCzarny> fcam and stock
May 03 17:20:53 <princefakhan> I use blessn900 when I have to take hdr
May 03 17:21:18 <princefakhan> I have fcam installed, but don't use it.
May 03 17:21:40 <KotCzarny> ah, right, blessn900
May 03 17:21:45 <princefakhan> :)
May 03 17:22:16 <KotCzarny> and i guess you can try looking for some webcam apps
May 03 17:22:21 <bencoh> blessn900 is closed-source thoug
May 03 17:22:30 <KotCzarny> is n900 camera using v4l2 ?
May 03 17:22:32 <bencoh> you can try rawcam as well
May 03 17:22:37 <bencoh> KotCzarny: it does
May 03 17:22:51 <L29Ah> n900 camera is a sick thing
May 03 17:22:54 <KotCzarny> then you can try grabbing some desktop linux webcam/photocam apps
May 03 17:23:04 <L29Ah> it comes with an autofocus mech i'd love to utilize
May 03 17:23:08 <L29Ah> so webcam mode is no-no
May 03 17:23:26 <KotCzarny> if you know how to code, you can do it yourself
May 03 17:23:56 <princefakhan> I had some webcam app in my phone in the early days
May 03 17:24:01 <L29Ah> if i'm to code, i'm to finish moving maemo stuff to gentoo :]
May 03 17:24:35 <princefakhan> :)
May 03 17:24:51 <KotCzarny> you can code now, it will run on gentoo too
May 03 17:25:03 <KotCzarny> so no need to wait
May 03 17:25:05 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 03 17:25:45 <Defiant> totalizator?
May 03 17:26:11 <princefakhan> ~totalizator
May 03 17:26:23 <princefakhan> infobot has nothing.
May 03 17:26:35 <KotCzarny> try /whois
May 03 17:26:47 <L29Ah> blessn900 won't start
May 03 17:26:52 <princefakhan> I just did
May 03 17:27:13 <KotCzarny> maybe something grabbed camera
May 03 17:27:21 <KotCzarny> or you need newer version
May 03 17:27:28 <L29Ah>  blessn900 depends on fcam-drivers (>= 1.0.6-1); however:
May 03 17:27:28 <L29Ah>   Package fcam-drivers is not configured yet.
May 03 17:27:30 <DerHat> re
May 03 17:27:33 <DerHat> flash successful
May 03 17:27:36 <L29Ah> i'm new to debian, what do i press?
May 03 17:27:38 <princefakhan> do u have camera launcher too
May 03 17:27:50 <KotCzarny> apt-get update
May 03 17:27:56 <KotCzarny> or apt-get update -f
May 03 17:27:59 <KotCzarny> dont remember
May 03 17:28:22 <princefakhan> L29Ah u have used linux before hvent u?
May 03 17:28:46 <L29Ah> hwat
May 03 17:28:58 <princefakhan> nevermind
May 03 17:29:02 <L29Ah> i've used linux for like 10 years
May 03 17:29:19 <L29Ah> but debian is just too scary for me so i never invested any time in it
May 03 17:29:27 <KotCzarny> you shouldn't liek use like like every word or like comma
May 03 17:29:56 <L29Ah> like ≈ about
May 03 17:29:57 <KotCzarny> it's a grammar weed
May 03 17:30:00 <princefakhan> :)
May 03 17:30:03 <L29Ah> no?
May 03 17:30:23 <KotCzarny> it's a teen speech
May 03 17:30:32 <KotCzarny> bad in every sense
May 03 17:30:33 <DerHat> like a teen speech
May 03 17:30:33 <L29Ah> i'm a cool kid yo
May 03 17:30:40 <DerHat> :D
May 03 17:30:50 <L29Ah> w/ fashionable gentoo and n900
May 03 17:31:07 <KotCzarny> and might i say, like a stupid blonde teen speech
May 03 17:31:09 <princefakhan> well someone did aske me on a channel: u liek madkipz
May 03 17:31:17 <princefakhan> or something like that.
May 03 17:31:18 <Sicelo> debian scary? which distro are you using hten?
May 03 17:31:20 <bencoh> :))
May 03 17:31:25 <L29Ah> gentoo
May 03 17:31:29 <Sicelo> heh
May 03 17:31:30 <princefakhan> I had to google madkipz.
May 03 17:31:41 * L29Ah googles this
May 03 17:31:45 <KotCzarny> gentoo, like someone said, ooh, new openoffice minor version, compile time!
May 03 17:31:58 <princefakhan> madkipz is some pokemon I guess
May 03 17:32:00 <bencoh> krkr :)
May 03 17:32:13 <princefakhan> never had much interest in anime.
May 03 17:32:18 <Sicelo> that's why i don't get why a gentoo user would find debian scary. should be the other way round instead
May 03 17:32:22 <L29Ah> good thing i don't use bloatware
May 03 17:32:31 <KotCzarny> i use slackware
May 03 17:32:34 <L29Ah> debian is overcomplicated and too hard to hack
May 03 17:32:38 <KotCzarny> the best and only one
May 03 17:32:41 <princefakhan> I actually got invilved in the internet culture lately
May 03 17:33:19 <L29Ah> okay i got some progress
May 03 17:33:29 <L29Ah> after a reboot it loads for some time and then exits
May 03 17:33:39 <L29Ah> i'll go for fcam i guess
May 03 17:33:44 <princefakhan> L29ah: blessn900
May 03 17:33:52 <L29Ah> ye, i was talking about it
May 03 17:33:58 <KotCzarny> dont be scared if stock camera wont work now
May 03 17:34:07 <princefakhan> hehe.
May 03 17:34:07 <KotCzarny> i had to uninstall fcam to make it work again
May 03 17:34:12 <L29Ah> :D
May 03 17:34:20 <KotCzarny> got me pretty scared
May 03 17:34:28 <L29Ah> E: Couldn't find package fcam
May 03 17:34:28 <princefakhan> looks like fcam phucked things up.
May 03 17:34:29 <KotCzarny> because i dropped my phone in the meantime
May 03 17:34:44 <KotCzarny> and thought i physically broke it
May 03 17:35:03 <KotCzarny> l29ah: dpkg -l|grep -i cam
May 03 17:35:13 <princefakhan> KotCzarny: lol
May 03 17:35:19 <KotCzarny> also, you should map ~ and | to some blue keys
May 03 17:35:24 <princefakhan> *fcam or cam
May 03 17:35:32 <L29Ah> fcam-drivers
May 03 17:35:32 <KotCzarny> pretty essential if you use command line on device
May 03 17:35:36 <L29Ah> that's it
May 03 17:36:00 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: i've added | to the touchscreen thingy
May 03 17:36:17 <L29Ah> but i guess i'll remap some stuff to the hardware keys eventually
May 03 17:36:25 <L29Ah> the keyboard is more awesome than i thought
May 03 17:36:29 <KotCzarny> ive mapped long press z to ~ and long press c to |
May 03 17:36:42 <L29Ah> the learning curve is quite gentle
May 03 17:36:54 <KotCzarny> its pretty easy
May 03 17:37:03 <KotCzarny> and there are examples in the wiki
May 03 17:37:28 <princefakhan> Kotczarny: is there any gui for mapping keys.
May 03 17:37:32 <KotCzarny> nope
May 03 17:37:40 <KotCzarny> but you have to edit simple text file
May 03 17:37:41 <KotCzarny> really
May 03 17:37:43 <princefakhan> oh!
May 03 17:37:44 <L29Ah> there's a straightforward description file in x
May 03 17:38:04 <bencoh> L29Ah: just remap everything :)
May 03 17:38:21 <L29Ah> i won't
May 03 17:38:28 <L29Ah> i like the default mappings for now
May 03 17:38:37 <KotCzarny> but missing ~ and | is a bummer
May 03 17:38:37 <bencoh> well, I mean, for the missing chars
May 03 17:38:39 <KotCzarny> for shell
May 03 17:38:40 <L29Ah> except the currency stuff
May 03 17:38:41 <bencoh> yeah
May 03 17:38:47 <princefakhan> can I get a link for this stuff
May 03 17:39:07 <L29Ah> princefakhan: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/
May 03 17:39:15 <bencoh> https://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard
May 03 17:39:19 <L29Ah> rx-51
May 03 17:40:31 <princefakhan> thanks.
May 03 17:42:16 <L29Ah> i wonder how much power does a composite video output consume
May 03 17:42:45 * L29Ah has a sick idea of turning n900 into a proto-wearable computer hooking a cheap HMD in it
May 03 17:43:22 <princefakhan> not a great idea I guess.
May 03 17:43:36 <princefakhan> the phone alone is bulky enough
May 03 17:43:59 <L29Ah> i have a 2l waistbag always w/ me
May 03 17:44:26 <L29Ah> and a 50l backpack when i'm out
May 03 17:45:14 <princefakhan> oh! :)
May 03 17:45:15 <L29Ah> wearable computer must be super kool
May 03 17:45:42 <L29Ah> http://twiddler.tekgear.com/
May 03 17:45:47 <princefakhan> I would like a computer inside my hand.
May 03 17:45:55 <princefakhan> like in deus ex
May 03 17:46:40 <L29Ah> can't google it out
May 03 17:46:59 <princefakhan> can't what google out?
May 03 17:47:15 <L29Ah> the deus ex thing
May 03 17:47:40 <princefakhan> oh! well deus ex is just a game series.
May 03 17:47:47 <KotCzarny> http://www.eecs.umich.edu/eecs/about/articles/2015/Worlds-Smallest-Computer-Michigan-Micro-Mote.html
May 03 17:48:01 <KotCzarny> computers are already small enough
May 03 17:48:05 <L29Ah> anyway, where do i get the fcam thing?
May 03 17:48:06 <KotCzarny> its about interfaces
May 03 17:48:16 <L29Ah> i have community{,-testing} and extras{,-testing}
May 03 17:48:32 <princefakhan> the protagonist has it surgically installed ynder his skin.
May 03 17:48:40 <bencoh> fcam is in extras
May 03 17:49:05 <bencoh> -testing should be fine/enough
May 03 17:49:05 <princefakhan> L29ah: u get can't find fcam when u apt?
May 03 17:49:07 <KotCzarny> extras-testing, what a wonderful place for user's software needs!
May 03 17:49:13 <L29Ah> princefakhan: yep
May 03 17:49:17 <bencoh> KotCzarny: please no ;p
May 03 17:49:20 <KotCzarny> :P
May 03 17:49:23 <princefakhan> Kotczarny: ah yes.
May 03 17:49:25 <L29Ah> huh? :3
May 03 17:49:36 <bencoh> L29Ah: apt-cache search fcam
May 03 17:49:48 <KotCzarny> or apt-cache search camera
May 03 17:49:54 <L29Ah> whoa fcamera
May 03 17:49:56 <L29Ah> thx
May 03 17:49:57 <bencoh> and/or apt-cache policy fcam-drivers
May 03 17:50:08 <princefakhan> I had a thought about maemo.org's motto.
May 03 17:50:10 <L29Ah> dpkg thing didn't find it
May 03 17:50:20 <DerHat> can anybody give me a maemo compatible sources.list? mine is empty.
May 03 17:50:22 <KotCzarny> dpkg is raw
May 03 17:50:24 <bencoh> dpkg doesnt handle repositories
May 03 17:50:32 <KotCzarny> apt is more intelligent
May 03 17:50:38 <DerHat> and slow
May 03 17:50:43 <princefakhan> too much noise. I forgot the motto.
May 03 17:50:57 <bencoh> DerHat: there is one around on the "downloads.maemo.nokia.com down" thread
May 03 17:51:01 <L29Ah> DerHat: https://bpaste.net/show/3809b41265ae
May 03 17:51:03 <L29Ah> i use this
May 03 17:51:21 <DerHat> ohh you got unstable:P
May 03 17:51:45 <KotCzarny> what is that bokomoko thing?
May 03 17:51:51 <princefakhan> L29ah: what cam apps u currently have installed
May 03 17:51:53 <L29Ah> "unstable" as in "3y fresh" instead of 4y?
May 03 17:52:13 <bencoh> :))
May 03 17:52:21 <KotCzarny> ahm, navit
May 03 17:52:50 <princefakhan> haha.
May 03 17:53:30 <princefakhan> L29ah: uninstall them first. and install them again.
May 03 17:53:42 <L29Ah> failed to make navit draw zoom in/out icons btw ;[
May 03 17:53:53 <L29Ah> and zoom in/out via volume buttons
May 03 17:54:08 <KotCzarny> source included, hackaway?
May 03 17:54:13 <L29Ah> fcamera hanged yay
May 03 17:54:28 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: it's DEEEEBIAAAAN
May 03 17:54:39 <KotCzarny> what is?
May 03 17:54:51 <L29Ah> the thing that handles the keys now
May 03 17:54:58 <KotCzarny> erm
May 03 17:55:00 <DerHat> where is yappari oO? or an other whatsapp client....
May 03 17:55:10 <KotCzarny> context failed
May 03 17:55:28 <princefakhan> DerHat: testing I guess.
May 03 17:55:31 <L29Ah> i'm afraid to recompile the parts of the system
May 03 17:55:45 <KotCzarny> navit isnt part of the system
May 03 17:55:48 <L29Ah> (so i grow a gentoo chroot in emmc instead :O)
May 03 17:55:49 <KotCzarny> it's optional app
May 03 17:56:00 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: i guess i need to hack the volume control sw to let go the keys
May 03 17:56:08 <L29Ah> otherwise navit won't get the keypresses
May 03 17:56:14 <KotCzarny> now that would be a pain
May 03 17:56:14 <L29Ah> as far as i understand Xorg
May 03 17:56:59 <KotCzarny> in ppython you just need to add a flag to windowing system
May 03 17:57:05 <KotCzarny> probably same thing in x
May 03 17:57:44 <KotCzarny>   self.w0.window.property_change(gtk.gdk.atom_intern("_HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM"), gtk.gdk.atom_intern("
May 03 17:57:44 <KotCzarny> INTEGER"), 32, gtk.gdk.PROP_MODE_REPLACE, [1]);
May 03 17:58:18 <KotCzarny> so you have to add that atom somewhere near x window init in navit
May 03 18:02:01 <DerHat> extra devel, here we go
May 03 18:02:10 <KotCzarny> :>
May 03 18:03:04 <L29Ah> wow sick stuff
May 03 18:03:11 * L29Ah goes to read how does this work
May 03 18:03:40 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/howto_grab_all_maemo5_zoom_key_events_in_sdl-sdl_gles_app/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1
May 03 18:03:48 <KotCzarny> here you have c example
May 03 18:03:52 <DerHat> L29AH you want take control over volume-buttons?
May 03 18:03:56 <L29Ah> :*
May 03 18:04:05 <L29Ah> i don't know what i want
May 03 18:04:17 <DerHat> okay
May 03 18:04:38 <KotCzarny> he wants to zoom with volume keys
May 03 18:04:40 <KotCzarny> in navit
May 03 18:04:43 <L29Ah> i'm actually quite surprised the maemo community is still alive
May 03 18:04:50 <L29Ah> as the packages seem old and rotten
May 03 18:04:52 <KotCzarny> check if someone didnt have a patch already
May 03 18:05:06 <KotCzarny> l29ah: do you listen to music?
May 03 18:05:13 <L29Ah> i plan to
May 03 18:05:18 <L29Ah> didn't try yet
May 03 18:05:25 <princefakhan> maemo community is very hopeful.
May 03 18:05:31 * L29Ah is gradually moving from an android phone
May 03 18:05:41 <KotCzarny> if you like oldschool playing check my oscp player
May 03 18:05:51 <krbtgt_> i'm still waiting for modern OpenSSH
May 03 18:05:58 <L29Ah> krbtgt_: go gentoo
May 03 18:05:58 <krbtgt_> but my daily driver is a Lumia 520
May 03 18:06:04 <KotCzarny> krbtgt_: dont wait, hack one
May 03 18:06:22 <L29Ah> it's yet to be able to do calls tho
May 03 18:06:23 <krbtgt_> the batteries are just larger capacity versions of the N900's
May 03 18:14:28 <princefakhan> well, the maemo motto I was talking about is this.
May 03 18:14:44 <princefakhan> Maemo, we always be testing.
May 03 18:15:03 <KotCzarny> not true
May 03 18:15:09 <KotCzarny> i dont use -testing repos
May 03 18:15:24 <princefakhan> then what. devel.
May 03 18:15:30 <KotCzarny> yup
May 03 18:15:40 <princefakhan> me too.
May 03 18:15:45 <KotCzarny> but only when the software is missing from extras
May 03 18:16:11 <L29Ah> who maintains those repos btw?
May 03 18:16:14 <princefakhan> oh! well I always install apps from testing or devel.
May 03 18:16:21 <KotCzarny> community
May 03 18:16:30 <KotCzarny> as nokia is no more
May 03 18:16:56 <princefakhan> I'm confused. doesn't hildon own maemo.org
May 03 18:17:19 <Sicelo> hildon is software :)
May 03 18:17:36 <KotCzarny> hildon is a foundation
May 03 18:17:42 <Sicelo> lulz
May 03 18:17:57 <KotCzarny> http://hildonfoundation.org/
May 03 18:17:58 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 18:18:12 <KotCzarny> its not only maemo
May 03 18:18:13 <Sicelo> heh, that's not hildon
May 03 18:18:21 <princefakhan> hildon foundation.
May 03 18:18:23 <ecc3g> hildon is annoying ... no source :(
May 03 18:18:31 <princefakhan> i guess they made hildon.
May 03 18:18:36 <KotCzarny> The Hildon Foundation, founded in September 2012, is a nonprofit organization elected by the
May 03 18:18:36 <KotCzarny> Maemo Community to represent it in legal and other official matters and to preserve the maemo.org infrastructure
May 03 18:18:47 <Sicelo> hildon? afaik large parts of hildon are open-source
May 03 18:18:54 <Sicelo> and Hifo did not make hildon
May 03 18:18:57 <princefakhan> well so are many core maemo softwares.
May 03 18:19:10 <KotCzarny> they have one member, he he
May 03 18:19:22 <L29Ah> i guess i meant "how is community and extras different?"
May 03 18:19:27 <KotCzarny> and jum jagielski photo is oversized, hehe
May 03 18:19:41 <princefakhan> okay. this is interesting.
May 03 18:19:41 <KotCzarny> l29ah: never used community repos
May 03 18:19:47 <KotCzarny> i only use extras
May 03 18:20:06 <L29Ah> i got wireless-tools from community afair
May 03 18:20:13 <L29Ah> wanna share 3G via wifi
May 03 18:20:24 <KotCzarny> isnt there an app for that?
May 03 18:20:54 <princefakhan> a closed source one. Joikuspot or something.
May 03 18:20:57 <L29Ah> it pulls wireless-tools
May 03 18:21:05 <L29Ah> the opensource one
May 03 18:21:07 <KotCzarny> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mobilehotspot/
May 03 18:21:14 <L29Ah> ye, it does
May 03 18:21:19 <princefakhan> ahh. there is also a open sourrce one.
May 03 18:21:23 <princefakhan> yes. that.
May 03 18:22:14 <L29Ah> okay now all the camera sw went fubar
May 03 18:22:24 <KotCzarny> hehe, fcam
May 03 18:22:27 <L29Ah> i guess the reinstalling advice made sense
May 03 18:23:01 <princefakhan> :D
May 03 18:26:19 <L29Ah> Hmm, seems like the AutoRemover destroyed something which really
May 03 18:26:19 <L29Ah> shouldn't happen. Please file a bug report against apt.
May 03 18:26:33 <L29Ah> i got debian!
May 03 18:27:07 <KotCzarny> never ever use autoremove
May 03 18:27:10 <KotCzarny> even on debian
May 03 18:27:12 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 18:27:26 <L29Ah> well, the corresponding gentoo feature works fine (:
May 03 18:28:07 <Sicelo> if you look at what autoremove wants to remove, and you 'know' all of the packages to remove, then it's safe to use
May 03 18:28:15 * Sicelo has used it many times on maemo
May 03 18:31:44 <L29Ah> fcamera shows only gray screen instead of image
May 03 18:32:23 <L29Ah> googlable sry
May 03 18:33:12 <princefakhan> just reading about hildon. on the wiki it says that hildon is part of gnome now.
May 03 18:33:56 <L29Ah> Package omap3camd is not available, but is referred to by another package.
May 03 18:33:56 <L29Ah> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
May 03 18:33:56 <L29Ah> is only available from another source
May 03 18:33:56 <L29Ah> E: Package omap3camd has no installation candidate
May 03 18:34:02 <princefakhan> so is there a better alternative for desktop env on linux tablets
May 03 18:34:06 <L29Ah> okay i guess i've made a mistake purging this on
May 03 18:34:08 <princefakhan> esp. maemo
May 03 18:34:11 <Sicelo> UNITY :)
May 03 18:34:12 <Sicelo> haha
May 03 18:34:17 <KotCzarny> bah
May 03 18:34:22 <KotCzarny> good gtk theme
May 03 18:34:25 <KotCzarny> and you are good
May 03 18:34:36 <KotCzarny> no need for twinkies
May 03 18:34:42 <KotCzarny> and crapload of deps
May 03 18:34:58 <princefakhan> hmmm. lol. not good with customisations.
May 03 18:35:15 <princefakhan> I prefer out-of-the-box.
May 03 18:35:23 <KotCzarny> nokia made one for you
May 03 18:35:41 <princefakhan> yeah. its good enough.
May 03 18:35:59 <princefakhan> but I'm open to changes.
May 03 18:36:18 <KotCzarny> the file is 150kB long
May 03 18:36:29 <KotCzarny> so its a pain in the ..
May 03 18:37:02 <KotCzarny> but if you arent picky you can make nice finger friendly theme in ~10-30lines
May 03 18:37:47 <princefakhan> ooh! looks like I have to start learning all dem languages now.
May 03 18:38:08 <princefakhan> I sit all day at home and do nothing.
May 03 18:38:14 <KotCzarny> gtk theme is not a language
May 03 18:38:25 <KotCzarny> just a bunch of keywords
May 03 18:38:40 <princefakhan> oh.
May 03 18:38:44 <princefakhan> well still...
May 03 18:38:56 <princefakhan> I sit at home doing nothing. xD
May 03 18:38:58 <KotCzarny> and you can google for gtk2 themes
May 03 18:39:00 <L29Ah>  You can only locate the package through your device and/or the SSU repositories of your device and the package is non-distributable.
May 03 18:39:01 <L29Ah> wat
May 03 18:39:21 <princefakhan> :)
May 03 18:39:27 <KotCzarny> l29ah: if in doubt, reflash
May 03 18:39:35 <L29Ah> ;O
May 03 18:39:44 <KotCzarny> but hacking is fun
May 03 18:39:50 <princefakhan> haha. looks to me. he has to. in a while.
May 03 18:40:05 <KotCzarny> and one can learn most from breaking things
May 03 18:40:11 <KotCzarny> and trying to fix them
May 03 18:40:16 <princefakhan> Kotczarny: I have.
May 03 18:40:35 <princefakhan> evrytime I reflash my phone is because I break it.
May 03 18:40:49 <princefakhan> and learn more about it.
May 03 18:40:55 <KotCzarny> i reflashed it only when new firmwares popped out
May 03 18:41:11 <KotCzarny> never really broke it so seriously i couldnt make it work
May 03 18:41:22 <princefakhan> u mean the stock nokia fw
May 03 18:41:25 <KotCzarny> yes
May 03 18:41:28 <KotCzarny> 1.3
May 03 18:41:38 <princefakhan> well u r not a child like me.
May 03 18:42:06 <princefakhan> this device introduced me to linux
May 03 18:42:08 <L29Ah> omap3camd.deb any1?
May 03 18:42:19 <L29Ah> i promise i won't tell nokia you sent me it!
May 03 18:42:29 <L29Ah> or how is it called, microsoft mobile?
May 03 18:42:34 <princefakhan> L29ah: I suppose it must be in repos somewhere.
May 03 18:42:55 <princefakhan> oh! right. we have mirrors I think.
May 03 18:43:42 <L29Ah> doesn't seems to be on repository.maemo.org
May 03 18:44:12 <princefakhan> it must be in the nokia repos. or msft mobile. lol.
May 03 18:44:29 <princefakhan> I'm talking about those repos' mirrors
May 03 18:48:58 <KotCzarny> oh, and never use dpkg to remove packages (unless you know what you are doing)
May 03 18:49:24 <KotCzarny> apt will check dependencies and breakages
May 03 18:52:01 <bencoh> L29Ah: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1467566&postcount=112
May 03 18:52:04 <bencoh> probably there
May 03 18:53:04 <DerHat> i flashed my n900 using this emmc RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and this other file RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin now i got no email (*#06# is empty) what can i do without flash again??
May 03 18:53:24 <DerHat> email lol i mean imei
May 03 18:53:50 <L29Ah> bencoh: :*
May 03 18:54:22 <princefakhan> bencoh: I just realized I have the nokia repos still enabled.
May 03 18:54:39 <princefakhan> and ham makes me cringe everytime I open it.
May 03 18:55:14 <princefakhan> so thanks.
May 03 18:56:18 <bencoh> yw :)
May 03 18:56:33 <princefakhan> L29ah: those are the mirrors for nokia repos if u r wondering.
May 03 18:56:35 <princefakhan> :)
May 03 18:57:24 <princefakhan> will the repos come back or stay down.
May 03 18:58:20 <princefakhan> I'm really bad at reading long posts. I stopped following tmo posts cuz I was away for a time.
May 03 18:58:43 <princefakhan> oops. threads.
May 03 18:59:16 <L29Ah> k fcamera is fucked anyway
May 03 18:59:34 <bencoh> princefakhan: most probably stay down
May 03 18:59:47 <princefakhan> hmmm.
May 03 19:00:09 <princefakhan> L29ah: I believe u fucked up ur phone.
May 03 19:00:20 <L29Ah> no way
May 03 19:00:20 <princefakhan> omap packages are essential I guess.
May 03 19:00:26 <bencoh> DNS say "go hang yourself", and when asking the (akamaï) repository server (dns entry in /etc/hosts) you dont get any positive result
May 03 19:00:43 <bencoh> L29Ah: fcamera works
May 03 19:00:48 <bencoh> pretty well
May 03 19:00:53 <princefakhan> bencoh: haha.
May 03 19:00:59 <KotCzarny> bencoh: maybe it need special kernel?
May 03 19:01:19 <bencoh> or more recent drivers
May 03 19:01:32 <bencoh> iirc -testing fcam-drivers wont work with kp55
May 03 19:01:39 <L29Ah> Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l unknown
May 03 19:01:52 <bencoh> err, 53 :)
May 03 19:01:57 <bencoh> or 52 for that matters
May 03 19:02:18 <L29Ah> what kernels do you guys use?
May 03 19:02:41 <KotCzarny> Linux x61 3.16.0+ #2 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 21 17:55:27 CET 2014 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7300  @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
May 03 19:02:43 <princefakhan> when are fcam drivers needed exactly. if u have fcamera u have those drivers too. right?
May 03 19:02:44 <KotCzarny> i use this one
May 03 19:02:44 <bencoh> I'm still on 52 with fcam-drivers 1.0.7-2
May 03 19:02:57 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: x201 > x61
May 03 19:03:04 <KotCzarny> x61 is nice
May 03 19:03:11 <KotCzarny> but x40 is the best!
May 03 19:03:34 <L29Ah> i meant on n900
May 03 19:04:02 <KotCzarny> bencoh: so which kernel/fcam driver one should have?
May 03 19:04:16 <L29Ah> princefakhan: yeah they were pulled and asked me to reboot
May 03 19:04:42 <bencoh> KotCzarny: dunno, I only know what I'm using
May 03 19:05:03 <princefakhan> Well then I have kp53 (i guess that the latest one) and fcamera
May 03 19:05:06 <bencoh> but I'm pretty sure 1.0.6 fcam-drivers are too old for kp53
May 03 19:05:07 <princefakhan> works fine.
May 03 19:05:39 <L29Ah> 1.0.7-1 there
May 03 19:05:50 <L29Ah> bencoh: where did you get -2?
May 03 19:05:59 <L29Ah> -devel?
May 03 19:06:08 <KotCzarny> :>
May 03 19:06:14 <bencoh> I think they're in devel ... I had those rebuilt in scratchbox though :)
May 03 19:06:35 <KotCzarny> -devel, even better place for userend software then -testing!
May 03 19:06:36 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 03 19:06:43 <bencoh> MEH ;)
May 03 19:06:52 <princefakhan> haha.
May 03 19:06:54 <KotCzarny> oscp got 5 votes!
May 03 19:07:30 <bencoh> push it to free instead of non-free and it'd probably get 25
May 03 19:07:37 <KotCzarny> unlikely
May 03 19:07:42 <KotCzarny> i bet it will get 6
May 03 19:07:59 <princefakhan> tmo folks are not well informed about how the packages get pushed i guess.
May 03 19:08:02 <KotCzarny> but yes, im considering free
May 03 19:08:13 <bencoh> \o/
May 03 19:08:14 <bencoh> at last
May 03 19:08:18 <princefakhan> if they are theu don't know where to vote
May 03 19:08:25 <KotCzarny> nope, it was a plan from the start
May 03 19:08:29 <princefakhan> I didn't too.
May 03 19:08:38 <princefakhan> oh! okay.
May 03 19:08:41 <KotCzarny> princefakhan: i put the link into my signature
May 03 19:08:54 <KotCzarny> with description and polite request
May 03 19:09:15 <KotCzarny> so it's not that they didnt know how or where to
May 03 19:09:20 <KotCzarny> just didnt bother
May 03 19:09:22 <L29Ah> okay the stock camera fucks up when i pull the hook to block the device
May 03 19:09:27 <L29Ah> or it just times out itself
May 03 19:09:31 <princefakhan> but why. it is not the plan I guess.
May 03 19:09:32 <L29Ah> and fixes by rebooting
May 03 19:09:46 <KotCzarny> L29Ah: remove fcam before using stock cam
May 03 19:09:53 <L29Ah> i did
May 03 19:09:56 <L29Ah> and rebooted
May 03 19:10:06 <L29Ah> got the behaviour i came with
May 03 19:10:12 <princefakhan> I guess its more that they don't bother.
May 03 19:10:16 <KotCzarny> k, might be something else blocking it
May 03 19:10:51 <KotCzarny> what dmesg/logs say?
May 03 19:11:35 <L29Ah> what logs?
May 03 19:11:40 <L29Ah> nothing interesting in dmesg
May 03 19:12:00 <KotCzarny> dont know if messages or debug in /var/log is used
May 03 19:12:01 <bencoh> there are no interesting logs unless you start syslogd ;)
May 03 19:12:05 <KotCzarny> yeah
May 03 19:12:13 <KotCzarny> was going to suggest it
May 03 19:12:35 <KotCzarny> you can run camera from terminal
May 03 19:12:35 <L29Ah> no metalog :[
May 03 19:12:36 <L29Ah> k
May 03 19:14:37 <L29Ah> Note, selecting sysklogd instead of syslogd
May 03 19:14:55 <KotCzarny> but remember to not leave it running
May 03 19:15:00 <KotCzarny>  /tmp is only 1MB or so
May 03 19:15:17 <KotCzarny> i mean /var
May 03 19:15:22 <KotCzarny> or both
May 03 19:16:28 <Sicelo>  /var is on the rootfs .. 'unlimited' (of course rootfs itself is limited, unfortunately)
May 03 19:17:18 <KotCzarny> right, still, rootfs is very limited
May 03 19:20:56 <L29Ah> W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package binutils
May 03 19:21:11 * L29Ah wonders if binutils will get pulled on n900 someday
May 03 19:21:19 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 19:21:25 <KotCzarny> i did pull them on mine
May 03 19:21:34 <L29Ah> still no syslogd
May 03 19:21:37 <L29Ah> did you mean sysklogd?
May 03 19:21:40 <KotCzarny> as i did gcc/g++ etc
May 03 19:21:43 <KotCzarny> yes
May 03 19:21:50 <L29Ah> g++ failed to compile boost on n900
May 03 19:21:58 <L29Ah> eating all the ram and swap
May 03 19:21:58 <KotCzarny> 4.2 is old
May 03 19:22:08 <L29Ah> 4.8.3 :P
May 03 19:22:08 <KotCzarny> make more swap
May 03 19:22:25 <L29Ah> no, i'll setup some qemu-user and nfs stuff
May 03 19:22:38 <KotCzarny> swap over nfs over wifi?
May 03 19:23:29 <KotCzarny> you can also use distcc
May 03 19:23:33 <L29Ah> no, compiles on a pc pulling toolchain and headers from and installing ready packages to over wifi
May 03 19:23:37 <KotCzarny> could be easier
May 03 19:23:58 <L29Ah> distcc won't save me from stuff like ghc that i will eventually want to have 
May 03 19:24:11 <L29Ah> damn
May 03 19:24:14 <L29Ah> need to stop hacking
May 03 19:24:18 <L29Ah> start doing useful stuff
May 03 19:24:22 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 03 19:32:49 <L29Ah> camera-ui somehow doesn't want to start from a terminal
May 03 19:32:59 <L29Ah> ~]camera-ui
May 03 19:32:59 <L29Ah> method return sender=:1.34 -> dest=:1.107 reply_serial=2
May 03 19:32:59 <L29Ah> method return sender=:1.40 -> dest=:1.108 reply_serial=2
May 03 19:33:11 <L29Ah> it doesn't quit, just doesn't spawn a window
May 03 19:33:51 <L29Ah> didn't get any cues from /usr/share/applications/hildon/camera-ui.desktop
May 03 19:37:28 <L29Ah> yay the devel fcamera works!
May 03 19:37:56 <bencoh> :)
May 03 19:38:26 <L29Ah> and it survives the hook
May 03 19:38:30 <L29Ah> thank you
May 03 19:39:53 <bencoh> L29Ah: syslogd is in busybox-power iirc
May 03 19:42:24 <L29Ah> wow 5cm focus
May 03 19:42:29 <L29Ah> that's unexpected
May 03 19:42:39 <L29Ah> fcamera doesn't use the flash :(
May 03 19:43:48 <bencoh> try rawcam :)
May 03 19:44:35 <L29Ah> also wtf it didn't put the captures to the target dir
May 03 19:44:42 <L29Ah> but somehows shows me them in the ui
May 03 19:45:50 <L29Ah> ah it's owned by root
May 03 19:50:41 <L29Ah> whoa DNG
May 03 19:55:55 <L29Ah> zsh: segmentation fault  cameratopam photo2015.05.03_22.46.21.51.dng
May 03 19:55:57 <L29Ah> nice job
May 03 21:21:44 <DerHat> cannot register yappari anymore :/
May 03 21:21:52 <DerHat> server response was: old_version
May 03 21:28:39 <ceene> DerHat: which yappario version are you using?
May 03 21:29:01 <DerHat> 1.1.51
May 03 21:29:05 <ceene> so...
May 03 21:29:07 <DerHat> build4809
May 03 21:29:09 <ceene> that version stopped working
May 03 21:29:10 <ceene> like
May 03 21:29:12 <ceene> ages ago
May 03 21:29:14 <DerHat> ops^^
May 03 21:29:15 <ceene> where have you been?
May 03 21:29:15 <ceene> :P
May 03 21:29:30 <DerHat> reflashed phone 1h ago, this is why.....
May 03 21:29:35 <ceene> latest release is 2.0.10
May 03 21:29:42 <ceene> but since people won't vote for it
May 03 21:29:46 <DerHat> yea i remember from last week i got it :D
May 03 21:29:48 <Sicelo> ceene: what fixes are you planning for 2.0.11
May 03 21:29:48 <ceene> it hasn't reached stable
May 03 21:30:05 <ceene> Sicelo: not much, to be honest
May 03 21:30:09 <ceene> i've been testing a small patch
May 03 21:30:17 <ceene> that should fix some segfaults
May 03 21:30:25 <ceene> and another one that should fix those frequent disconnects
May 03 21:30:39 <DerHat> ceene maybe some cool feats like in real whatsapp^^ i want to help but dont know where to start
May 03 21:31:08 <DerHat> i like location share in whatsapp
May 03 21:31:12 <ceene> truth is, since i took over yappari maintanaice my free time has decreased greatly :(
May 03 21:31:13 <DerHat> this make life easyier
May 03 21:31:22 <ceene> yep, that's something on the todo list
May 03 21:31:26 <ceene> but since bugs keep appearing
May 03 21:31:32 <ceene> i never have time for new features
May 03 21:31:32 <ceene> :(
May 03 21:31:56 <Sicelo> any idea RE: status update issue :)
May 03 21:32:04 <ceene> yep, that's another thing
May 03 21:32:17 <ceene> that's something i really want to do
May 03 21:32:29 <ceene> even if it's just to remove some wrong messages that are sent
May 03 21:32:39 <DerHat> noo that status thing is like a yappari feat:D i like that
May 03 21:32:39 <ceene> just in case they happen to detect them and decide to shut us down
May 03 21:33:01 <ceene> although i don't understand yet why that happens to you, Sicelo 
May 03 21:33:03 <Sicelo> DerHat ?
May 03 21:33:13 <ceene> i've tested it with an android phone and my status seems to change fine
May 03 21:33:30 <ceene> maybe it depends on which version of whatsapp has the other party?
May 03 21:33:42 <DerHat> do we still talk about yappari?
May 03 21:34:06 <Sicelo> possibly, because on further testing 3 users could see my status change, but the vast majority do not
May 03 21:34:25 <ceene> that's quite strange, nevertheless
May 03 21:34:32 <Wizzup_> yappari also stopped working for me in the last few weeks
May 03 21:34:47 <Wizzup_> server closes conn. or something
May 03 21:34:59 <ceene> that's probably solved on next release
May 03 21:35:00 <Sicelo> Wizzup_: your number isn't blocked?
May 03 21:35:05 <ceene> although i planned to release it next weekend
May 03 21:35:10 <ceene> i may be able to release it earlier
May 03 21:35:15 <DerHat> wizzup_ maybe your number is blocked, happen to my old number
May 03 21:35:23 <Wizzup_> Sicelo: I don't think so, why would it?
May 03 21:35:27 <ceene> it depends on the free time i have tomorrow at work :P
May 03 21:35:39 <ceene> on the other hand, coderus has almost finished his libwa
May 03 21:35:47 <ceene> and i'd like yappari to be ported to his library
May 03 21:35:53 <ceene> but this is going to take a lot of time
May 03 21:35:59 <ceene> and i don't know if i have it :/
May 03 21:36:22 <ceene> but he's really the one who truly understands jabber and WA's particular implementation
May 03 21:38:05 <ceene> also, I think I've discovered that having a full / partition leads to lots of application crashes
May 03 21:38:15 <ceene> so I'll make a note of that too
May 03 21:38:20 <ceene> just to warn people
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