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May 04 08:33:02 <princefakhan> Kotczarny: oscp is great.
May 04 08:33:42 <princefakhan> I have a lotta music videos. but don't want to keep the video playing. this does it.
May 04 08:41:07 <KotCzarny> princefakhan: if you ever want to enable video play too its under 'v' button
May 04 08:41:37 <KotCzarny> also, there is a lots of features and configurability options, so explore and have fun
May 04 08:42:26 <KotCzarny> also, you might want to grab oscp from extras-devel, as its a bit newer and has few bugs squashed
May 04 08:43:17 <princefakhan> Kotczarny: I believe its from the extras-devel. I have it always enabled.
May 04 08:43:25 <KotCzarny> ok
May 04 08:43:36 <princefakhan> the UI is not very informative for me though.
May 04 08:43:42 <Sicelo> I have a lotta music videos. but don't want to keep the  video playing. this does it
May 04 08:43:50 <Sicelo> what does that mean?
May 04 08:44:01 <KotCzarny> that it has a feture to play only audio
May 04 08:44:05 <princefakhan> but I guess I will get around it after some time.
May 04 08:44:05 <KotCzarny> and that he likes it
May 04 08:44:17 <princefakhan> Kotczarny: :)
May 04 08:44:20 <Sicelo> the first part..
May 04 08:44:28 <KotCzarny> princefakhan: read the quick help, it answers most faq
May 04 08:44:53 <KotCzarny> sicelo: that he has many video clips
May 04 08:44:58 <princefakhan> uh! okay. but I read it. the one that comes on first opening the app.
May 04 08:45:28 <KotCzarny> princefakhan: good, also you might want to read the oscp thread on tmo, as there is also few bits of information and tips
May 04 08:46:02 <princefakhan> sure. when the need arises. that's the place to look for.
May 04 08:46:13 <Sicelo> trying to play only the audio track out of a video?
May 04 08:46:35 <princefakhan> Kotczarny
May 04 08:46:42 <KotCzarny> sicelo: yes
May 04 08:46:52 <KotCzarny> and not trying, doing it
May 04 08:47:05 <princefakhan> I would like to know though. It is actually only playing audio.
May 04 08:47:23 <princefakhan> or the video runs too in the background.
May 04 08:47:45 <KotCzarny> its only playing audio
May 04 08:48:06 <KotCzarny> if you enable vid play it plays the file through system's gstreamer
May 04 08:48:07 <princefakhan> ahh! so it uses less battery. right.
May 04 08:48:17 <princefakhan> oh! Smart.
May 04 08:48:44 <Sicelo> ok
May 04 08:49:02 <KotCzarny> princefakhan: for even more battery performance you can close the gui, it will keep on playing in the background
May 04 08:49:26 <KotCzarny> and you can always start gui and it will reconnect to core
May 04 08:49:29 <princefakhan> looks like I didn't read the faq after all. xD
May 04 08:49:52 <princefakhan> Now I see why there has been so much praise for your work.
May 04 08:50:09 <KotCzarny> i like the part 'now i see why'
May 04 08:50:34 <princefakhan> hehe. :)
May 04 08:51:21 <KotCzarny> to encourage others please use it for a while and post the experience/thoughts at the tmo thread
May 04 08:51:28 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
May 04 08:51:30 <KotCzarny> this one
May 04 08:51:37 <princefakhan> Yeah I know.
May 04 08:52:00 <princefakhan> will do. once I have get around it.
May 04 08:52:04 <KotCzarny> thanks
May 04 08:52:08 <princefakhan> :D
May 04 08:52:10 <Sicelo> :)
May 04 08:52:44 <bencoh> KotCzarny: wait, so you use gstreamer in the end ?
May 04 08:52:56 <KotCzarny> bencoh: only when video play is enabled
May 04 08:53:07 <bencoh> okay
May 04 08:53:11 <KotCzarny> if its disabled i play through libav decoder
May 04 08:53:39 <KotCzarny> which is nice because it supports many more formats
May 04 08:54:00 <KotCzarny> and you can actually play audio tracks of videos unknown to gst
May 04 08:54:08 <princefakhan> you can use mplayer too i huess.
May 04 08:54:17 <KotCzarny> oscp started as a mplayer gui
May 04 08:54:19 <princefakhan> I remember that bit from the faq
May 04 08:54:28 <KotCzarny> but decided its better to use lib directly
May 04 08:54:46 <KotCzarny> yes, on anything other than n900 mplayer is used for video play
May 04 08:55:08 <princefakhan> hmmm.
May 04 08:55:26 <KotCzarny> yes, it works on linux pcs too
May 04 08:55:27 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 04 08:55:37 <Sicelo> mplayer works on N900, doesn't it
May 04 08:55:39 <KotCzarny> and you can control oscp-core on pc from n900's oscp-remote
May 04 08:55:48 <KotCzarny> sicelo: but doesnt use dsp for decoding
May 04 08:55:52 <KotCzarny> so.. slow
May 04 08:55:59 <Sicelo> i know that
May 04 08:56:11 <princefakhan> I saw that. I can play my pc files on my device if I have the pc version.
May 04 08:56:23 <KotCzarny> princefakhan: it can work other way too
May 04 08:56:33 <KotCzarny> ie. you can connect n900 to stereo system and control via pc
May 04 08:56:41 <princefakhan> yeah. one more thing. is it on windows.
May 04 08:56:53 <KotCzarny> oscp-remote.py will work on windows
May 04 08:57:04 <KotCzarny> i havent gotten around to compile recent oscp-core in cygwin tho
May 04 08:57:15 <princefakhan> :)
May 04 08:57:24 <KotCzarny> too lazy to boot windows ;)
May 04 08:57:28 <princefakhan> hehe.
May 04 09:02:00 * princefakhan opens tmo to see if there is some new activity
May 04 09:06:29 <scottc> huh, my n900 isn't turning on anymore
May 04 09:06:49 <svetlana> @.@)
May 04 09:06:50 <scottc> it just stays on the "nokia" screen with a very low backlight
May 04 09:06:57 <svetlana> maybe battery?
May 04 09:07:02 <princefakhan> the first question that comes to mind: is it charged?
May 04 09:07:08 <svetlana> :-)
May 04 09:07:14 <scottc> i charged it overnight, so that should be fine
May 04 09:07:21 <princefakhan> hmmm
May 04 09:07:47 <princefakhan> how did it turn off. what was the last thing u did
May 04 09:08:01 <scottc> maybe my cable or charger is faulty, i'll try another later today
May 04 09:08:28 <scottc> i just held the power key to turn it off last
May 04 09:08:29 <bencoh> scottc: solid green led ?
May 04 09:08:34 <Sicelo> if charged overnight, did you find it with "green" led pattern in the morning?
May 04 09:08:50 <scottc> I don't see any LED now
May 04 09:08:53 <KotCzarny> chargers die
May 04 09:08:55 <princefakhan> exactly what I was to ask.
May 04 09:08:57 <scottc> maybe the charger just is faulty
May 04 09:09:03 <KotCzarny> remove the battery
May 04 09:09:10 <KotCzarny> wait 5s, reinsert, connect charger
May 04 09:09:13 <KotCzarny> wait for green
May 04 09:09:55 <Sicelo> scottc: what pattern did you find when you unhooked device from charger? :)
May 04 09:10:35 <scottc> just now: inserted the charger, an amber LED appeared, 5 seconds after the low-light "nokia" screen appeared and the LED turned off
May 04 09:10:43 <scottc> the LED is pulsing now, which i don't think happened last night
May 04 09:10:44 <KotCzarny> wait
May 04 09:10:50 <KotCzarny> for green
May 04 09:10:56 <scottc> alright
May 04 09:11:14 <scottc> this is a different charger to last night, at least
May 04 09:11:26 <princefakhan> if the led wasnt pulsing. it wasnt charging.
May 04 09:11:30 <svetlana> you have two different chargers?
May 04 09:11:48 <scottc> yeah svetlana, I was using my "primary" one for my Jolla since it's my main phone
May 04 09:11:54 * scottc needs 4g for work
May 04 09:12:06 <KotCzarny> chinese unbranded one overnight?
May 04 09:12:10 <KotCzarny> they die
May 04 09:12:12 <KotCzarny> often
May 04 09:12:13 <KotCzarny> :)
May 04 09:12:16 <svetlana> thats sexist ;)
May 04 09:12:22 <svetlana> or racist i mean
May 04 09:12:24 <svetlana> i need more sleep
May 04 09:12:28 <scottc> KotCzarny: sony-ericsson "eco" one overnight!
May 04 09:12:33 <scottc> but a chinese cable
May 04 09:12:33 <svetlana> but yes, i've had some like this, it fall apart
May 04 09:12:38 <svetlana> ooo
May 04 09:12:52 <KotCzarny> maybe it was too eco
May 04 09:12:55 <KotCzarny> self destroyed
May 04 09:12:56 <bencoh> haa
May 04 09:12:58 <scottc> haha
May 04 09:13:02 <svetlana> :D
May 04 09:13:11 <scottc> by "eco" I think they mean 0.2 amps
May 04 09:13:23 <bencoh> 0.2A ?
May 04 09:13:26 <scottc> vs. the Nexus 4 charger I'm using now which is 1 or 2A
May 04 09:13:28 <scottc> yes
May 04 09:13:36 <bencoh> that's ... nothing
May 04 09:13:41 <scottc> yep...
May 04 09:13:58 <bencoh> how would you expect to charge ... or even keep a device alive with screen on with that ?
May 04 09:14:11 <scottc> it's charged my androids fine in the past :)
May 04 09:14:21 <princefakhan> I have a portable charger. It has two ports. one is 1 amp the other is 2.1
May 04 09:14:28 <princefakhan> I use the second one.
May 04 09:14:35 <bencoh> scottc: it's probably not 0.2A max then
May 04 09:14:51 <scottc> princefakhan: is it bright coloured and rectangular with curved edges? i have one too!
May 04 09:14:58 <scottc> bencoh: aha, perhaps
May 04 09:15:15 <princefakhan> scottc: what is?
May 04 09:15:32 <scottc> portable charger
May 04 09:15:55 <princefakhan> its white actually. frome ambrane
May 04 09:16:02 <princefakhan> looks chinese to me.
May 04 09:16:11 <scottc> ah
May 04 09:16:15 <scottc> mine is unbranded, chinese
May 04 09:16:20 <princefakhan> but is 10400 mAh.
May 04 09:16:35 <princefakhan> and I got it very cheap in a deal.
May 04 09:16:41 <princefakhan> works fine.
May 04 09:17:10 <princefakhan> question: is there a diff b/w portable charger and power bank
May 04 09:17:23 <KotCzarny> yes
May 04 09:17:36 <KotCzarny> one has battery inside, and doesnt
May 04 09:17:44 <princefakhan> scottc: it is rectangular with round edges though. xD
May 04 09:17:47 <KotCzarny> s/and/and one/
May 04 09:17:47 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: one has battery inside, and one doesnt
May 04 09:18:04 <princefakhan> mine is power bank then.
May 04 09:18:30 <princefakhan> i thought they were the same thing
May 04 09:18:37 <scottc> princefakhan: probably the same OEM, or the person that sells mine stole it from the factory where yours is made :D
May 04 09:19:42 <scottc> i use "portable charger" and "power bank" interchangably
May 04 09:20:02 <KotCzarny> portable charger is usually regular charger but smaller
May 04 09:20:24 <princefakhan> don't know where it has been made. but is marketed by Ambrane India.
May 04 09:20:42 <KotCzarny> you would have to open it and compare innards 
May 04 09:20:46 <princefakhan> scottc: I have been too until now.
May 04 09:21:45 <princefakhan> I think this is made in India.
May 04 09:22:56 <princefakhan> oh! its somewhat of a top of the line electonics company.
May 04 09:28:00 <princefakhan> Kotczarny: if you could just add one more feature to oscp.
May 04 09:28:39 <princefakhan> play next file in the playlist after pressing headphone button.
May 04 09:29:06 <KotCzarny> its already done
May 04 09:29:19 <princefakhan> doesn't work on mine.
May 04 09:29:33 <KotCzarny> does it do anything when you press the button? pause maybe?
May 04 09:29:43 <princefakhan> oh it works. yes.
May 04 09:29:52 <princefakhan> only when it is open
May 04 09:30:03 <KotCzarny> then you would have to edit oscp-remote.py and change pause to next
May 04 09:30:07 <KotCzarny> let me check the line
May 04 09:31:00 <KotCzarny> ahm, right, its already set to next
May 04 09:31:14 <KotCzarny> yeah, i detect dbus button events in gui for now
May 04 09:31:38 <KotCzarny> started writing the code into core but didnt commit yet
May 04 09:32:37 <princefakhan> hmmm. so we can see this feature working in the background in the next update maybe.
May 04 09:32:48 <KotCzarny> most likely
May 04 09:32:53 <princefakhan> :)
May 04 09:32:57 <princefakhan> great!
May 04 09:33:02 <KotCzarny> but i have to think about how to resolve double press events
May 04 09:33:11 <KotCzarny> because both core and remote will detect the button
May 04 09:34:14 <princefakhan> but remote runs on top of remote I guess
May 04 09:34:34 <princefakhan> so only one of them must be registering the buttons.
May 04 09:35:51 <princefakhan> *remote runs on top of core.
May 04 09:40:11 <KotCzarny> you might say that
May 04 09:40:33 <KotCzarny> core is the part that plays and manages files, remote is the gui and user interaction
May 04 09:42:12 <princefakhan> so which one them handles the button presses.
May 04 09:42:30 <KotCzarny> gui
May 04 09:42:41 <KotCzarny> and sends info about those events to the core
May 04 09:43:27 <princefakhan> so should it be a problem. that means its not double presses.
May 04 09:44:03 <princefakhan> this doesn't happen with the keyboard buttons.
May 04 09:44:43 <KotCzarny> but for core to react with gui closed?
May 04 09:45:07 <princefakhan> ahh!
May 04 09:47:18 <princefakhan> can you not register the headphone buttons to core only.
May 04 09:47:33 <princefakhan> since remote is closed.
May 04 09:48:12 <KotCzarny> yes, but as i said, i have to think how to resolve it with the gui
May 04 09:48:32 <KotCzarny> because sometimes you might have gui opened on the same device, and sometimes on different
May 04 09:48:52 <princefakhan> ooh!
May 04 09:50:07 <princefakhan> well you can revoke headphone button presses from the gui and map it only to the core.
May 04 09:50:44 <princefakhan> so it can work on the same device atleast.
May 04 09:50:45 <KotCzarny> yes, but as i said, i have to think how it would be most convenient for me to code it
May 04 09:51:10 <princefakhan> ahh! well I don't have any ideas for coding.
May 04 09:51:16 <princefakhan> :)
May 04 09:51:38 <KotCzarny> no worries
May 04 09:51:44 <princefakhan> :D
May 04 10:33:51 <zGrr> moin :)
May 04 10:39:43 <princefakhan> hello
May 04 10:39:56 <princefakhan> moin means hello, right?
May 04 10:40:25 <zGrr> correct :)
May 04 10:40:31 <princefakhan> :)
May 04 10:40:46 <zGrr> princefakhan:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin
May 04 10:41:11 <princefakhan> I looked up urbandictionary, just now.
May 04 10:41:20 <princefakhan> xD
May 04 13:08:32 <grammoboy> ~flasher
May 04 13:08:32 <infobot> well, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
May 04 13:10:46 <grammoboy> ~tabletsdev
May 04 13:10:46 <infobot> well, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads
May 04 13:12:29 <grammoboy> ~combined
May 04 13:12:29 <infobot> i guess combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
May 04 13:13:12 <grammoboy> ~emmc
May 04 13:13:12 <infobot> rumour has it, emmc is is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc2
May 04 14:35:05 <jaap> ~flasher
May 04 14:35:06 <infobot> from memory, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
May 04 14:38:39 <jaap> ~emmc
May 04 14:38:40 <infobot> [emmc] is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc2
May 04 14:47:13 <jaap> ~tabletdev
May 04 14:47:18 <jaap> ~tabletsdev
May 04 14:47:18 <infobot> [tabletsdev] http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads
May 04 14:47:38 <jaap> ~combined
May 04 14:47:38 <infobot> i heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
May 04 15:08:46 <pigeons> hit and run
May 04 15:12:47 <L29Ah> [11:55:49]<KotCzarny> sicelo: but doesnt use dsp for decoding
May 04 15:12:47 <L29Ah> i wonder why wasn't it patched instead
May 04 15:31:34 <slapin_> hi, all!
May 04 15:31:53 <slapin_> where can I get up to date tzdata for n900?
May 04 15:32:06 <L29Ah> :3
May 04 15:32:17 <stryngs> compile it slapin_ 
May 04 15:32:50 <slapin_> also, will n900 charger be able to charge 2 18650 batteries? any projects available?
May 04 15:32:56 <L29Ah> i can package you the compiled one from my n900 gentoo
May 04 15:33:24 <slapin_> L29Ah: is it compatible with n900 stock glibc?
May 04 15:33:32 <L29Ah> slapin_: i attached 2 18650s and it stopped charging, dunno why
May 04 15:33:44 <L29Ah> dunno
May 04 15:33:47 <slapin_> L29Ah: I think not as it is pre-eglibc tzdata which is arch-dependant...
May 04 15:34:45 <L29Ah> but there's a guy on the forum who attached them and it worked
May 04 15:34:55 * L29Ah considers reflashing his beast
May 04 15:35:08 <slapin_> is there some instructions on building of tzdata and setting-up scratchbox environment for n900?
May 04 15:37:36 <slapin_> L29Ah: can you link me to the post on forum?
May 04 15:38:23 <slapin_> I think batteries should be synchrinized before attaching them, or special charger should be used
May 04 15:42:19 <L29Ah> googleable
May 04 15:42:36 <L29Ah> i did synchronize, also an external charger works fine
May 04 15:43:05 <L29Ah> and the voltage and current sensing of n900 work well
May 04 15:49:42 <L29Ah> ntpd doesn't want to resync my clock after a reset due to power loss :(
May 04 15:49:58 <kerio> use ntpd -q
May 04 15:50:10 <L29Ah> ntpd: invalid option -- q
May 04 15:50:13 <KotCzarny> killntpd with fire
May 04 15:50:17 <KotCzarny> use ntpdate
May 04 15:50:39 <slapin_> you can run ntpd as normal
May 04 15:50:43 <L29Ah> i want it work /automagically/
May 04 15:50:47 <L29Ah> i guess i'm on my own
May 04 15:50:57 <slapin_> run ntpdate -u -s pool.ntp.org once
May 04 15:51:07 <L29Ah> > by hand
May 04 15:51:10 <slapin_> then ntpd will pick up
May 04 15:51:25 <slapin_> you don't need to restart it or anything
May 04 15:51:28 <L29Ah> also is there a gps time sync sw?
May 04 15:51:53 <slapin_> L29Ah: if it is possible to run gpsd somehow, then it is good old ntpd
May 04 15:52:13 <L29Ah> E: Couldn't find package ntpdate
May 04 15:52:26 <KotCzarny> just grab debians armel package and unpack ntpdate binary
May 04 15:52:33 <KotCzarny> wfm
May 04 15:52:51 <slapin_> L29Ah: IIRC it was available somewhere
May 04 15:53:23 <L29Ah> nvm, asked my gentoo chroot to compile it
May 04 15:54:18 <KotCzarny> what glibc are you using in your chroot?
May 04 16:10:31 <bencoh> L29Ah: do you run ntpd on n900 ?
May 04 16:11:04 <lobito> cant see talk.maemo.org via tor :(
May 04 16:11:06 <lobito> "Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist."
May 04 16:11:25 <lobito> nor using anonymouse.org proxy either
May 04 16:11:45 <L29Ah> now it's 2.19, going to update to 2.20 someday after setting up cross-compiling env
May 04 16:11:57 <bencoh> lobito: antispam policy I guess
May 04 16:11:58 <L29Ah> bencoh: yep
May 04 16:12:03 <lobito> yeah
May 04 16:12:05 <lobito> that's one thing
May 04 16:12:15 <lobito> now i can't reach it directly either
May 04 16:12:26 <lobito> but it doesn't show the notice
May 04 16:12:35 <lobito> browser says "could not connect"
May 04 16:12:54 <lobito> i'll try a traceroute, see what i get
May 04 16:13:03 <L29Ah> it's sad that it fights spam by blocking even read-only access
May 04 16:14:07 <bencoh> L29Ah: indeed
May 04 16:14:28 <KotCzarny> is ntpd power conscious?
May 04 16:14:32 <L29Ah> dunno
May 04 16:14:36 <L29Ah> but it seems like
May 04 16:15:00 <lobito> this is weird:
May 04 16:15:06 <lobito> lobito@edubuntu:~/Desktop$ traceroute talk.maemo.org
May 04 16:15:06 <lobito> traceroute to talk.maemo.org (213.128.137.28), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
May 04 16:15:06 <lobito>  1  edubuntu.lan (192.168.1.102)  0.092 ms  0.230 ms  0.304 ms
May 04 16:15:09 <bencoh> I'm pretty sure ntpd keeps the cpu awake
May 04 16:15:13 <lobito> it stops there :/
May 04 16:15:21 <KotCzarny> l29ah, if you can attach powermeter between battery and device?
May 04 16:15:27 <bencoh> lobito: try mtr
May 04 16:15:29 <L29Ah> why would i?
May 04 16:15:50 <KotCzarny> to check if it draws significiantly more power
May 04 16:16:05 <L29Ah> i've measured current w/ n900, it doesn't make any noticeable difference
May 04 16:16:26 <L29Ah> via the internal current sensing circurity
May 04 16:16:34 <KotCzarny> but you measure finite amperage
May 04 16:16:41 <L29Ah> huh?
May 04 16:16:47 <KotCzarny> and power meter would let you check in 10-30minutes
May 04 16:16:54 <L29Ah> ah
May 04 16:17:10 <KotCzarny> without waking up the device
May 04 16:17:10 <L29Ah> anyway i trashed it
May 04 16:17:24 <L29Ah> as the only use case for it is syncing after a power loss
May 04 16:17:40 <KotCzarny> my n900 is almost exacly 1 minute off in 30 days
May 04 16:18:09 <KotCzarny> thats what i see from checking every few days with ntpdate and writing log
May 04 16:18:31 <bencoh> it's much more than that here
May 04 16:38:30 <lobito> mtr says:
May 04 16:38:41 <lobito> last 132 pings
May 04 16:38:42 <lobito> Scale:  .:984 ms  1:937 ms  2:859 ms  3:749 ms  a:609 ms  b:437 ms  c:234 ms
May 04 16:40:19 <lobito> lobito@edubuntu:~/Desktop$ ping talk.maemo.org
May 04 16:40:19 <lobito> PING talk.maemo.org (213.128.137.28) 56(84) bytes of data.
May 04 16:40:20 <lobito> From edubuntu.lan (192.168.1.102) icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable
May 04 17:14:03 <lobito> help? can't reach talk.maemo.org :<
May 04 17:22:04 <L29Ah>  * ERROR: sys-libs/glibc-2.20-r2::gentoo failed (unpack phase):
May 04 17:22:04 <L29Ah>  *   Kernel version too low!
May 04 17:22:05 <L29Ah> mkay
May 04 17:22:13 <KotCzarny> hehe
May 04 17:22:26 <KotCzarny> aiming high?
May 04 17:27:07 <princefakhan> wtf, xchat keeps crashing
May 04 17:28:11 <KotCzarny> run from terminal
May 04 17:28:16 <KotCzarny> maybe it will print something
May 04 17:28:36 <princefakhan> oh! okay
May 04 17:29:04 <princefakhan> can we have two instances though or do I have to logiut from this client
May 04 17:29:14 <KotCzarny> yes you can
May 04 17:37:54 <scottc> hello again
May 04 17:38:20 <scottc> left my N900 charging since this morning and it's still pulsing amber! uh-oh
May 04 17:38:36 <KotCzarny> o.o
May 04 17:38:42 <scottc> i'm pretty sure it was like this when I got it originally, and it resolved itself after 2-3 hours of charging 
May 04 17:38:46 <scottc> but yeah, weird
May 04 17:38:53 <KotCzarny> disconnect
May 04 17:39:00 <KotCzarny> check if battery is physically ok
May 04 17:39:05 <krbtgt_> the batteries are everywhere for them anyways
May 04 17:39:07 <KotCzarny> then reconnect and try booting
May 04 17:39:15 <scottc> the battery seems fine
May 04 17:39:16 <krbtgt_> so if your battery is fscked, it's not much to replace
May 04 17:39:28 <scottc> though i do keep it held in with a piece of sellotape :D
May 04 17:39:30 <krbtgt_> (nokia still uses the same battery on modern phones)
May 04 17:39:32 <KotCzarny> krbtgt_: yeah, but if it splodes in his face, he wouldnt get replacement so easy
May 04 17:39:40 <krbtgt_> well it'd bulge likely
May 04 17:39:49 <krbtgt_> in which case he'd need to dispose it ASAP
May 04 17:39:58 <KotCzarny> krbtgt_: that's why i suggested physical examination
May 04 17:40:04 * scottc ejects it out the window
May 04 17:40:06 <KotCzarny> scottc: check it from both sides
May 04 17:40:21 <scottc> no obvious bulging
May 04 17:40:50 <KotCzarny> is it cold or hot?
May 04 17:40:52 <krbtgt_> to check for builging spin it around
May 04 17:41:00 <krbtgt_> if it rotates with ease then it is bulging
May 04 17:41:21 <scottc> haha, might be it
May 04 17:41:22 <scottc> it's cold
May 04 17:41:38 <scottc> it spins fairly well too
May 04 17:41:47 <scottc> battery's probably just fooked
May 04 17:41:51 <KotCzarny> it's dead jim
May 04 17:42:02 <KotCzarny> but try booting anyway
May 04 17:42:03 <KotCzarny> :)
May 04 17:42:05 <scottc> I'm a doctor, not an electrician!
May 04 17:42:18 <scottc> no luck
May 04 17:42:59 <princefakhan> ah! its segfaulting.
May 04 17:43:33 <princefakhan> I dunno whats segfault tho. its something bad from what I have learned so far.
May 04 17:43:45 <KotCzarny> segfault is when program is corrupted in some way
May 04 17:43:52 <KotCzarny> either by a bug or external
May 04 17:44:04 <KotCzarny> and system kills it 
May 04 17:44:07 <princefakhan> ahh! I'm talking about xchat guys. it crashes.
May 04 17:44:18 <scottc> people always complain about segfaults when coding C, but I think it's better to get a segfault than to not have memory segmentation at all :P
May 04 17:44:22 <KotCzarny> (that's simplification but it's close)
May 04 17:44:25 <krbtgt_> i'm curious if the N900 can handle the higher capacity version of the BL-5J seen in the new lumias though
May 04 17:44:39 <scottc> krbtgt_: i will order one and let you know :D
May 04 17:44:45 <KotCzarny> krbtgt_: n900 can handle any battery you can fit
May 04 17:44:52 <krbtgt_> that's nice
May 04 17:44:54 <KotCzarny> mugen sells 2500 one i think
May 04 17:44:55 <scottc> i don't have a permanent address where i'm staying right now so i might have to wait
May 04 17:45:00 <krbtgt_> i have a Lumia 520 here with the high capacity one
May 04 17:45:00 <princefakhan> N900 can handle anhything yo throw at it
May 04 17:45:01 <KotCzarny> but its wider
May 04 17:45:11 <KotCzarny> liions charge the same 
May 04 17:45:23 <KotCzarny> some are rated for lower amperage, some for higher tho
May 04 17:45:28 <KotCzarny> but li-ion is a li-ion
May 04 17:45:58 <KotCzarny> go to shop and try it for a size
May 04 17:46:46 <scottc> buying a battery in a shop? sounds like a nice way to get ripped off :P
May 04 17:46:56 <scottc> i'll get one on ebay or allegro.pl
May 04 17:48:23 <KotCzarny> scottc, im not suggesting buying it, just physically fitting
May 04 17:48:27 <KotCzarny> :)
May 04 17:48:47 <scottc> right right
May 04 17:49:27 <KotCzarny> sometimes one has to get ripped off when in a hurry (i got minijack extender for ~6eur...)
May 04 17:49:40 <KotCzarny> mediamarkt, nie dla idiotow
May 04 17:49:41 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 04 17:50:01 <KotCzarny> but it was the only shop open nearby i needed the cable asap
May 04 17:50:26 <KotCzarny> for a comparison, similar cable online is 0.5-1eur
May 04 17:56:02 <scottc> hah yeah, mediamarkt is insane
May 04 18:21:56 <princefakhan> yo infobot
May 04 19:08:22 <princefakhan> ~infobot
May 04 19:08:31 <infobot> well, infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command!
May 04 19:09:04 <princefakhan> ~commands
May 04 19:09:12 <KotCzarny> ~doabarrelroll
May 04 19:09:27 <KotCzarny> broken
May 04 19:09:38 <princefakhan> how do I know what commands can I give him
May 04 19:09:47 <KotCzarny> ~help
May 04 19:09:53 <KotCzarny> type ~help
May 04 19:10:12 <princefakhan> ~help
May 04 19:11:13 <princefakhan> :)
May 04 19:23:37 <princefakhan> anyone on freenode can msg infobot right
May 04 19:24:32 <princefakhan> or does he need to be in a chan where infobot is too
May 04 19:25:22 <KotCzarny> he is made by one of maemo members
May 04 19:25:33 <KotCzarny> ie. not a freenode staff creation
May 04 19:26:12 <princefakhan> but if you want to /msg someone does he need to be in the same chan as you
May 04 19:26:24 <KotCzarny> dont know, most likely
May 04 19:26:45 <princefakhan> hmmm.
May 04 19:29:00 <L29Ah> he doesn't
May 04 19:29:09 <L29Ah> everyone can msg everyone else in an irc net
May 04 19:29:37 <KotCzarny> but he may be programmed to answer only to those on the same channels
May 04 19:29:56 <princefakhan> hmmm. and how is he programmed.
May 04 19:30:10 <KotCzarny> do a test
May 04 19:30:23 <princefakhan> I am.
May 04 19:30:53 <princefakhan> just dunno many channels
May 04 19:31:00 <KotCzarny> start new xchat
May 04 19:31:04 <KotCzarny> dont join any channel
May 04 19:31:06 <KotCzarny> msg the bot
May 04 19:31:24 <princefakhan> oh right. I don't have to join a chan. my bad
May 04 20:46:27 <princefakhan> nick princefakhan_
May 04 20:46:44 <krbtgt_> msg nickserv identify hunter2
May 04 20:46:51 <KotCzarny> lol
May 04 20:47:04 <princefakhan_> why would I do that?
May 04 20:47:15 <Sicelo> change your pass krbtgt_ 
May 04 20:47:42 <krbtgt_> doesn't it display as stars to you?
May 04 20:47:46 <KotCzarny> nope
May 04 20:47:53 <KotCzarny> <krbtgt_> msg nickserv identify hunter2
May 04 20:48:23 <princefakhan_> he missed slash
May 04 20:48:26 <princefakhan_> like me
May 04 20:48:34 <KotCzarny> slash time
May 04 20:48:46 <L29Ah> i read your message
May 04 20:48:47 <princefakhan_> lol
May 04 20:48:49 <L29Ah> and your
May 04 20:49:13 <krbtgt_> http://bash.org/?244321
May 04 20:49:38 <Sicelo> haha
May 04 20:49:42 <Sicelo> you fell for it?
May 04 20:49:53 <KotCzarny> i guess you might need non-hacker ecosystem for that
May 04 20:52:16 <Sicelo> hehe, i see you krbtgt_ :p
May 04 20:53:08 <princefakhan_> lol! wth.
May 04 20:53:40 <princefakhan_> is this just a joke.
May 04 20:53:48 <Sicelo> yeah, haha
May 04 20:54:05 <princefakhan_> oh! looked real enough.
May 04 20:54:22 <KotCzarny> real, but missed the joke
May 04 20:54:23 <KotCzarny> :)
May 04 20:54:44 <princefakhan_> nah! I didn't.
May 04 20:57:36 * princefakhan_ motors over to tmo
May 04 21:04:15 <princefakhan_> you guys following the yappari thread
May 04 21:04:19 <princefakhan_> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94465
May 04 21:05:08 <L29Ah> looks useless
May 04 21:05:30 <princefakhan_> huh! a lotta people use it.
May 04 21:06:10 <Sicelo> not by choice, some of us 
May 04 21:06:17 <L29Ah> mobile-only messenger
May 04 21:06:24 <L29Ah> must be a bunch of masochists
May 04 21:06:37 <Sicelo> and i don't like the proposed icon princefakhan_ :p
May 04 21:07:19 <princefakhan_> Sicelo: i like it.
May 04 21:07:47 <princefakhan_> ofc, u see that. I'm way too excited about that.
May 04 21:07:54 <Sicelo> yeah, haha :)
May 04 21:08:40 <princefakhan_> :D
May 04 21:10:01 <princefakhan_> UI change could be good though. 
May 04 21:10:11 <princefakhan_> if it reduces the lag
May 04 21:10:29 <Sicelo> super-imposing time stamp on profile pic? um..
May 04 21:13:51 <princefakhan_> :D
May 04 21:14:57 * princefakhan_ yawns
May 04 21:15:06 <princefakhan_> gonna sleep now. bye guys
May 04 22:23:08 <bencoh> us not appreciating whatsapp/facebook/the-like, yappari still is one of the great projects that help quite a few people stick with their n900 :)
May 04 22:25:44 <L29Ah> chmod a-w FCamera/ saved me from wasting my emmc on raws while jpegs are still generated :3
May 04 22:27:39 <bencoh> erm
May 04 22:50:31 <L29Ah> damn how to use teh flashlight w/ fcamera installed?
May 04 22:51:04 <bencoh> you cant
May 04 22:51:22 <bencoh> well you can force it with some /sys entry ... iirc
May 04 22:51:54 <bencoh> but if you really want to use the flashlight with a fcam-power app, try rawcam
May 04 22:52:10 <bencoh> it's more or less a fcamera rewrite
May 04 22:55:45 <L29Ah> it's not in /leds/ sysfs entry
May 04 22:55:58 <L29Ah> ok i'll try rawcam
May 04 22:58:44 <L29Ah> E: Package strace has no installation candidate
May 04 22:58:49 <L29Ah> maemo is unuzbl!
May 04 22:59:49 <bencoh> uh what ? I have strace
May 04 23:00:01 <L29Ah> where did you get it from?
May 04 23:01:17 <bencoh> apt-cache policy says repository.maemo.org
May 04 23:01:38 <bencoh> http://maemo.org/packages/view/strace/
May 04 23:03:00 <bencoh> probably extras-devel
May 04 23:03:10 <L29Ah> i have extras-devel
May 04 23:04:02 <L29Ah> W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )
May 04 23:04:02 <L29Ah> i wonder what does this mean
May 04 23:04:36 <bencoh> hmm
May 05 00:24:42 * Oksana had some problems with extras-devel recently... Will try to re-enable the repository, to see if it helps... Like, apt-cache and aptitude both weren't working because of some Depends-or-something problem in extras-devel...
May 05 01:05:58 <Tekk_> Anyone familiar with editing the metromaps maps?
May 05 01:06:22 <Tekk_> I'm in DC and the map is good enough for me to use right now, but the map is a little bit out of date
May 05 01:06:32 <Tekk_> A new rail line opened up in the last 8 months or so
May 05 02:39:31 <L29Ah> okay rawcam produced no apparent executable
May 05 02:39:59 <L29Ah> oh no
May 05 02:40:02 <L29Ah> so unicode
May 05 02:45:21 <L29Ah> rawcam is totally awesome but produces only raws :(
May 05 02:45:53 <L29Ah> nvm found config
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