**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 10 02:59:59 2015
May 10 04:49:19 <L29Ah> [21:24:20]<KotCzarny> ahm, i dont use it
May 10 04:49:19 <L29Ah> how do you cooperate w/ other ppl then? send tarballs?
May 10 05:53:25 <KotCzarny> L29Ah: i dont cooperate, for maemo i prepare packages, for pc i made tar balls
May 10 05:53:34 <KotCzarny> its my solo project
May 10 05:54:19 <KotCzarny> and for ideas/feedback i use irc/tmo
May 10 05:55:06 <KotCzarny> i primarily made oscp for myself and shared it afterwards for others
May 10 05:56:00 <L29Ah> i think it should close the output device on pause
May 10 05:56:30 <L29Ah> also the photo button is not as easy as unplugging the headphones (:
May 10 05:56:39 <KotCzarny> heh
May 10 05:56:54 <KotCzarny> also, if you have headphones button should work too
May 10 05:57:10 <KotCzarny> short press for pause, long press for track skip
May 10 05:57:25 <KotCzarny> (or ffwd if you prefer)
May 10 05:58:31 <L29Ah> lol camera crashed
May 10 06:09:31 <L29Ah> do i understand it right i need to recompile oscp to add a delay before unpausing after i plug in the headphones?
May 10 06:09:49 <KotCzarny> you can change oscp-dbus-listener.py
May 10 06:10:06 <KotCzarny> as its the part that listens to dbus and informs core about events
May 10 06:10:18 <KotCzarny> its in /opt/oscp/bin/
May 10 06:11:00 <L29Ah> ♥
May 10 06:11:31 <KotCzarny> if you dont know python its very easy to learn
May 10 06:13:21 <L29Ah> yeah took a minute to implement
May 10 06:15:07 <L29Ah> pulseaudio needs >0.5s to understand it needs to switch the output o_O
May 10 06:15:56 <KotCzarny> there is pretty much stuff going on on output switch
May 10 06:16:05 <KotCzarny> but yeah, 0.5s is a lot
May 10 07:03:29 <L29Ah> damn, messing w/ i2cdump eats a lot of energy
May 10 07:03:38 <L29Ah> how's the bme replacement?
May 10 07:04:21 * L29Ah wants to monitor the discharge current
May 10 07:05:11 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: do i need to recompile oscp to make it stop playing on ejecting the jack?
May 10 07:05:36 <L29Ah> as in "stop eating my precious joules"
May 10 07:07:41 <KotCzarny> i dont remember, does dbus listener check the /sys file too?
May 10 07:08:04 <KotCzarny> you can try sending STOP instead of HP 0
May 10 07:08:47 <KotCzarny> though i dont remember if dbuslistener messages go through the same remote commands loop
May 10 07:12:00 <L29Ah> NEXT on insert and STOP on eject did the job
May 10 07:12:16 <KotCzarny> L29Ah: as for amperage measurements grab the bq2700.sh script
May 10 07:12:29 <KotCzarny> you dont have to mess with i2c directly
May 10 07:12:34 <L29Ah> okay, the only problem left is oscp stopping at borked mp3s
May 10 07:12:41 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: it consumes a lot
May 10 07:12:50 <L29Ah> even when polling once in 5s
May 10 07:13:08 <L29Ah> maybe even more than paused oscp + pa
May 10 07:13:12 <KotCzarny> L29Ah: that one is on my todo, still hadnt gotten around to weed it out completely
May 10 07:14:31 <KotCzarny> also, for the list of available command see: https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/binaries/remote.txt/download
May 10 07:14:34 <L29Ah> i wonder what are the world's n900 reserves
May 10 07:14:35 <KotCzarny> *commands
May 10 07:14:45 <L29Ah> will i be able to buy one in three years?
May 10 07:15:01 <KotCzarny> most likely
May 10 07:15:03 <KotCzarny> used tho
May 10 07:15:17 <KotCzarny> remember production ended long time ago
May 10 07:15:22 <L29Ah> sure
May 10 07:16:12 <L29Ah> we already ran out of thinkpad x201s that were produced around the same time
May 10 07:16:29 <KotCzarny> i still see thinkpads x2x/x3x
May 10 07:16:32 <L29Ah> the last one i saw costed about $1500
May 10 07:16:41 <L29Ah> they're quite sucky
May 10 07:16:43 <KotCzarny> s/costed/cost/
May 10 07:16:51 <L29Ah> :3
May 10 07:16:59 <KotCzarny> yeah, just an example that such old machines are still available
May 10 07:17:28 <L29Ah> x201s and n900 are both in the class of the best of their kind machines
May 10 07:17:35 <KotCzarny> x40 is nice
May 10 07:17:36 <KotCzarny> very nice
May 10 07:17:42 <KotCzarny> especially with ssd drive
May 10 07:18:03 <L29Ah> crappy resolution and power consumption afair
May 10 07:18:04 <KotCzarny> with fan off and idle it keeps ~40C
May 10 07:18:15 <KotCzarny> never seen any other machine that can do it
May 10 07:18:26 <KotCzarny> somtimes it even goes under 40C
May 10 07:18:40 <KotCzarny> mind you, fan OFF
May 10 07:18:42 <L29Ah> my x201 goes over 90°C with fan off and idle (:
May 10 07:19:01 <KotCzarny> if it had dual core cpu i would be still using it
May 10 07:19:22 <KotCzarny> and 4:3 screen > any wide crap
May 10 07:20:11 <L29Ah> anyway it's the total amount of pixels matters
May 10 07:20:18 <L29Ah> and x201s has 1400x900
May 10 07:21:25 <KotCzarny> you can get high res 12" 4:3 screens too
May 10 07:22:59 <KotCzarny>  1400x1050 
May 10 07:23:02 <KotCzarny> to be exact
May 10 07:23:55 <kerio> 2880x1800 master race o/
May 10 07:24:08 <KotCzarny> ipad?
May 10 07:24:25 <kerio> macbook pro
May 10 07:24:34 <KotCzarny> i wouldnt call it master race
May 10 07:24:38 <KotCzarny> its not a pc
May 10 07:24:49 <kerio> sounds like someone's jealous
May 10 07:24:53 <KotCzarny> not really
May 10 07:24:59 <KotCzarny> im happy with my 1024x768
May 10 07:25:02 <kerio> so jel
May 10 07:25:52 <KotCzarny> can you run scratchbox on your macbook?
May 10 07:25:57 <kerio> yes
May 10 07:26:10 <KotCzarny> ok, you can do something useful then
May 10 07:26:12 <KotCzarny> :)
May 10 07:27:48 <L29Ah> i thought about putting a macbook air display in the x201's lid
May 10 07:27:58 <KotCzarny> i think wouldnt handle it
May 10 07:28:14 <L29Ah> but it would require some downgrade of the mechanical strength
May 10 07:28:14 <KotCzarny> and chipset doesnt have its native resolution neither
May 10 07:28:53 <L29Ah> macbook air lcd is displayport and you can hook it up to the docking bay connector
May 10 07:29:28 <L29Ah> anyway it won't handle me stomping on the lid, so no
May 10 07:30:13 <L29Ah> kerio: can you stand on your macbook?
May 10 07:30:25 <kerio> no
May 10 07:30:28 <kerio> that would be retarded
May 10 07:31:09 <KotCzarny> its just an example how much pressure it will survive
May 10 07:31:24 <KotCzarny> you can leave your lappy near the bed
May 10 07:31:35 <KotCzarny> or put it into bag
May 10 07:32:32 <KotCzarny> i got t60 for my gf, it's still alive
May 10 07:32:35 <KotCzarny> :>
May 10 07:32:45 <KotCzarny> after so many years
May 10 07:34:02 <L29Ah> i crashed my t60 lcd when a shielving rack collapsed on it being open, got a crack on a side of the lid >_>
May 10 07:42:30 <kerio> may i recommend an actual ruggedized laptop
May 10 07:42:39 <kerio> i fear for your electronics :c
May 10 07:42:40 <KotCzarny> nope
May 10 07:42:48 <KotCzarny> thinkpads ftw!
May 10 07:43:29 <L29Ah> i haven't seen an actual modern rugged laptop w/ a trackpoint and a sensible price tag
May 10 07:43:43 <KotCzarny> yeah, nipple ftw!
May 10 07:49:03 <KotCzarny> bencoh: hint for you: Using laser pen lens as macro lens for camera phone
May 10 07:57:02 <bencoh> hmm ?
May 10 07:57:31 <KotCzarny> if you are into photography tricks
May 10 07:57:50 <bencoh> oh, not that much :)
May 10 07:58:03 <bencoh> I just saw it on the window
May 10 07:58:30 <KotCzarny> biology happens
May 10 07:58:54 <Hurrian> oh wow, it's not just me who hates the display on the X201
May 10 08:01:06 <KotCzarny> :)
May 10 08:01:30 <Hurrian> too bad there isn't a T60-style HiDPI screen mod for it
May 10 08:01:31 <KotCzarny> i was thinking about upgrading my x60 to x20x, but only think better would be ddr3
May 10 08:02:10 <Hurrian> i dunno, Core2->Nehalem was a pretty good jump in power
May 10 08:02:11 <KotCzarny> *thing
May 10 08:02:13 <L29Ah> msata also
May 10 08:02:28 <KotCzarny> yeah, but temperature would rise too much
May 10 08:02:28 <L29Ah> btw somehow x201 eats more power than t60
May 10 08:02:44 <Hurrian> yep my X201's exhaust fan doubles as a blowdryer
May 10 08:02:57 <Hurrian> BUT, the laptop _never_ overheats.
May 10 08:03:13 <KotCzarny> but its uncomfortable to have it in your lap
May 10 08:03:22 <Hurrian> L29Ah: got the 9-cell to go with your X201?
May 10 08:03:31 <L29Ah> my x201 w/ i7 reaches 100°C on especially tough compiles
May 10 08:03:37 <L29Ah> Hurrian: sure
May 10 08:03:45 <KotCzarny> L29Ah: tried undervolting?
May 10 08:03:53 <L29Ah> yep
May 10 08:03:58 <KotCzarny> pity
May 10 08:04:06 <KotCzarny> now i have another reason not to upgrade
May 10 08:04:32 <KotCzarny> as for msata thing, you can get an adapter
May 10 08:04:39 <KotCzarny> my x40 uses msata drive
May 10 08:04:45 <L29Ah> sometimes i think about upscaling my n900 battery hack to x201
May 10 08:04:56 <L29Ah> but fail to think out a sensible case
May 10 08:05:06 <Hurrian> 12-cell upgrade?
May 10 08:05:06 <KotCzarny> backpack accu
May 10 08:05:17 <KotCzarny> grab car's one
May 10 08:05:26 <KotCzarny> 60Ah would be enough for a week
May 10 08:05:28 <L29Ah> Hurrian: more like filling all the bottom surface w/ cells
May 10 08:05:41 <L29Ah> lead is too heavy
May 10 08:05:45 <KotCzarny> bah
May 10 08:05:53 <KotCzarny> that's just an excuse
May 10 08:06:09 <Hurrian> L29Ah: unless you want to take out the SATA disk there's not too much wiggle room inside the laptop though
May 10 08:06:20 <L29Ah> Panasonic 18650s are the state of the art now
May 10 08:06:26 <KotCzarny> paste him the pic
May 10 08:06:27 <KotCzarny> :)
May 10 08:06:33 <KotCzarny> he doesnt know about the hack
May 10 08:06:57 <L29Ah> Hurrian: https://dump.bitcheese.net/files/avijeju/n900-cutie.jpeg
May 10 08:07:48 <Hurrian> :o
May 10 08:07:54 <Hurrian> Are those 18650s?
May 10 08:08:22 <L29Ah> yep
May 10 08:08:46 <Hurrian> GOTTA HAVE POWER
May 10 08:09:16 <Hurrian> speaking of 18650s, I baby the crap out of my 9-cell
May 10 08:09:52 <Hurrian> it's unbelievable how expensive those are
May 10 08:10:07 <L29Ah> chinese ones are $30 or so
May 10 08:10:11 <Hurrian> was just lucky I got a relatively-new one when I picked up my X201 second hand
May 10 08:11:26 <KotCzarny> i got chines 9cell for my t61 for ~30$
May 10 08:11:42 <KotCzarny> still have to see how long it will last after a year
May 10 08:12:25 <Hurrian> KotCzarny: I heard the Chinese chem labs are getting better
May 10 08:12:30 <KotCzarny> yeah
May 10 08:12:45 <KotCzarny> still, only time can tell about their longevity
May 10 08:13:02 <KotCzarny> the original battery for my gf's t60 is still strong
May 10 08:13:16 <Hurrian> tbh when my 9-cell conks out I plan to re-cell the thing with new 18650s
May 10 08:13:24 <KotCzarny> and she usually goes around the house with it, so it cycles often
May 10 08:13:37 <Hurrian> (hopefully Tesla gets their gigafactory up by then, 18650 price will fall through the floor)
May 10 08:14:13 <KotCzarny> i hope for solar panels price to go down
May 10 08:14:31 <KotCzarny> or for more effective peltier cells
May 10 08:15:10 <L29Ah> Hurrian: not much point in recelling unless you go w/ panasonics
May 10 08:15:26 <KotCzarny> he wants to use american produced ones
May 10 08:16:10 <L29Ah> whoa tesla uses panasonics
May 10 08:16:45 <Hurrian> yep the Gigafactory was a joint venture with Panasonic iirc
May 10 08:18:00 <Hurrian> not much surprise there, the Thinkpads forum told me to specifically look for a Panasonic battery when buying
May 10 08:19:05 <L29Ah> too bad panasonics are optimized for 4.2→2.5V discharge cycles
May 10 08:25:02 <Hurrian> KotCzarny: solar is pretty affordable now though
May 10 08:25:32 <KotCzarny> i want them smaller, more effective, cheaper
May 10 08:25:43 <KotCzarny> living in a cloudy country
May 10 08:25:57 <Hurrian> it's not exactly mass market but if you want it, you can have it
May 10 08:26:05 <Hurrian> ah, well that changes things
May 10 08:26:45 <Hurrian> it's tropical out here, so with battery storage you could probably make it off-grid, even in the rainy season
May 10 08:26:55 <KotCzarny> :)
May 10 08:26:58 <KotCzarny> hehe
May 10 08:42:48 <L29Ah> i forgot why did i trash bq27x00_battery >_>
May 10 08:46:47 <L29Ah> better but still a lot: monitoring via `watch -n 4` over wifi doubles the energy consumption over idling
May 10 08:47:09 <KotCzarny> if you just want the data install battery-eye
May 10 08:47:16 <KotCzarny> its quite energy efficient
May 10 08:47:42 <KotCzarny> it only activates on events that otherwise would wake up the device
May 10 08:47:50 <L29Ah> is it compatible w/ bq27x00_battery?
May 10 08:48:24 <KotCzarny> it gathers data into db you can use, but also has a gui so you dont have to process it yourself
May 10 08:54:50 <L29Ah> okay seems like it's not
May 10 08:56:02 <KotCzarny> for real no-waky-waky-devicey i told you to install meter between the battery and the device
May 10 08:56:25 <KotCzarny> and it would be more accurate too
May 10 08:58:26 <L29Ah> i wonder if the internal thing is able to show me the total energy went thru it
May 10 08:58:39 <KotCzarny> battery-eye can
May 10 08:58:51 <KotCzarny> click on the menu and see 'statistics'
May 10 09:09:47 <L29Ah> okay datasheet says AI is the current averaged over 5.12s, good
May 10 09:10:20 <L29Ah> no access to the actual coloumb meter, bad
May 10 09:43:53 <L29Ah> does anyone use some modern kernel on n900?
May 10 09:44:13 <KotCzarny> modern kernel needs modern glibc
May 10 09:44:19 <L29Ah> http://elinux.org/N900 is full of love
May 10 09:44:22 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: how come?
May 10 09:44:38 <KotCzarny> i think its about some functions changed
May 10 09:45:06 <KotCzarny> lol, there is kernel 4.1?
May 10 09:45:08 <L29Ah> i think linus won't break libc
May 10 09:45:18 <KotCzarny> i was so used to 3.xx 
May 10 09:45:43 <L29Ah> linus said he can't count this far so he bumps the major version number
May 10 09:46:12 <KotCzarny> it was easier to ignore kernel releases because of 'i still have 3.xx'
May 10 09:46:25 <KotCzarny> now it feels like i need to upgrade again
May 10 09:46:53 <KotCzarny> not to mention all those external modules relying on KERNEL_VER(2|3), hehe
May 10 09:47:10 <kerio> can't modern kernel on n900 without losing quite a bit of stuff
May 10 09:47:12 <L29Ah> ye, coreutils' ping whines about kernel being too old (:
May 10 09:47:20 <L29Ah> kerio: what stuff?
May 10 09:47:54 <kerio> phone calls, accelerated graphics, stuff like that
May 10 09:48:38 <L29Ah> phone calls? srsly?
May 10 09:48:52 <L29Ah> there's some stuff about "modem protocol" being implemented on that page
May 10 09:51:08 <kerio> we're just way below the critical mass of people needed to bring maemo up to speed, i think
May 10 09:51:30 <L29Ah> http://elinux.org/User:Sre i wonder if he hangs out there
May 10 09:54:15 <KotCzarny> email him
May 10 09:54:23 <KotCzarny> irc is a time waster mostly
May 10 09:57:28 <L29Ah> Userland access goes via /dev/cmt_speech. The API is implemented in
May 10 09:57:28 <L29Ah> libcmtspeechdata, which is used by ofono and the freesmartphone.org project.
May 10 09:57:28 <L29Ah> Apart from that the device is also used by the phone binaries distributed
May 10 09:57:28 <L29Ah> with Maemo. So while this is a new userland ABI for the mainline kernel it
May 10 09:57:28 <L29Ah> has been tested in the wild for some years.
May 10 09:57:47 <L29Ah> sounds like it'll work
May 10 10:20:44 <bencoh> L29Ah: see https://github.com/pali/linux-n900
May 10 10:21:15 <KotCzarny> bencoh, is there some feature summary for it?
May 10 10:21:58 <bencoh> the elinux.org wiki afaik
May 10 10:22:11 <KotCzarny> ahm, so its the same thing
May 10 10:22:36 <bencoh> yeah, just that iirc pali's tree is the most up-to-date since the gitorious "shutdown"
May 10 10:23:29 <bencoh> as for mainline, quite a lot of stuff got merged, but some of it broke at some point
May 10 10:24:10 <bencoh> and ....
May 10 10:24:24 <bencoh> yay, cmtspeech acked for 4.1-rc \o/
May 10 10:25:26 <bencoh> some guy didnt want it at first because of some silly reason (the usual "this is not the way it should work")
May 10 10:46:32 <Wizzup> cool!
May 10 10:47:25 <L29Ah> will hook 4.1 into n900 after the battery calibrates i guess
May 10 10:48:18 <Wizzup> is there a pre-built kernel / way to test it (anything documented)? Also don't mind building it myself, but just wondering
May 10 10:49:19 <Wizzup> I have a few N900's lying around that I wouldn't mind using to test some stuff :) 
May 10 10:51:55 <L29Ah> https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900/source/31fbbf0cb3b3715b93a88ae211c86a7e48775297: seems like the way to go
May 10 10:52:44 <KotCzarny> System notice: Gitorious is being acquired by GitLab and gitorious.org will shut down end of May
May 10 10:52:44 <L29Ah> http://elinux.org/N900#Kernel_git_repository_for_N900
May 10 10:54:04 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: hence why it moved to github [above link]
May 10 10:54:22 <KotCzarny> yes, just said it to l29ah
May 10 10:54:39 <KotCzarny> and bencoh said it too
May 10 10:54:48 <L29Ah> Wizzup: b-but the github link is about 2.6
May 10 10:55:00 <L29Ah> oh nvm
May 10 10:55:31 <KotCzarny> l29ah: use bencoh's link
May 10 10:55:45 <L29Ah> didn't notice there are other branches
May 10 10:55:53 <bencoh> :)
May 10 10:56:07 <Wizzup> you need to switch branch
May 10 10:56:10 <Wizzup> ah,yes.
May 10 10:59:42 <Wizzup> stupid q: I guess it is not possible to charge the n900 in usb host mode?
May 10 11:00:02 <KotCzarny> nope
May 10 11:00:03 <alifakhruddin> Yep.. True
May 10 11:00:40 <Wizzup> Is there a specific reason for that? I can think of a few, but no particular one as to why it would be impossible
May 10 11:01:01 <L29Ah> it must be possible
May 10 11:01:20 <Wizzup> if you create a frankencable, but then the n900 must accept/charge when in host mode
May 10 11:01:43 <KotCzarny> nope
May 10 11:01:48 <L29Ah> afair providing 5v to the usb is done via a hack that you can easily disable
May 10 11:02:12 <alifakhruddin> Usb host mode has a completely diffrnt activity to it. Iev never exprncd my N900 being charged when connected to that.
May 10 11:02:23 <KotCzarny> l29ah: what about chip switching from getting to giving?
May 10 11:02:43 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: the battery chip? just disable this functionality
May 10 11:03:02 <KotCzarny> i think usb wires go through usb chip first
May 10 11:03:11 <Wizzup> you would of course re-write the usb
May 10 11:03:12 <Wizzup> cable
May 10 11:03:19 <L29Ah> usb chip doesn't care about the power afair
May 10 11:03:20 <KotCzarny> which may disable some in/out lines to the rest of the ciruitry
May 10 11:03:31 <L29Ah> but i didn't poke host mode yet
May 10 11:04:27 <KotCzarny> hehe, droid users stupidly enabling host mode and being unable to charge flat baterries afterwards
May 10 11:04:36 <L29Ah> https://bpaste.net/show/48103999e7a3 do i get all the maemo goodness available w/ this setup?
May 10 11:04:37 <KotCzarny> google is lots of funnies sometimes
May 10 11:05:01 <KotCzarny> enabling extras-devel all the times isnt good idea
May 10 11:05:20 <KotCzarny> you should only use it to grab specific packages
May 10 11:05:22 <KotCzarny> and only them
May 10 11:05:31 <KotCzarny> otherwise you will end up with dependency hell
May 10 11:06:11 <KotCzarny> unless you do some pinning tricks
May 10 11:06:46 <L29Ah> k
May 10 11:10:08 <KotCzarny> Three additional ID pin states are defined[4] at the nominal resistance values of 124 k\u03a9, 68 k\u03a9, and 36.5 k\u03a9, with respect to the ground pin. These permit the device to work with USB Accessory Charger Adapters that allows the OTG device to be attached to both a charger and another device simultaneously.[6] These three states are used in the cases of:
May 10 11:12:15 <KotCzarny> so the cable should have some resistor magic to work
May 10 11:12:40 <L29Ah> i doubt n900 looks at the resistors at all
May 10 11:12:52 <KotCzarny> if it follows otg spec it must
May 10 11:12:58 <L29Ah> sure it doesn't
May 10 11:13:13 <L29Ah> host mode is an unofficial hack
May 10 11:13:26 <KotCzarny> unofficial from software side
May 10 11:13:34 <KotCzarny> but chip has its magic too
May 10 11:22:03 <Wizzup> I think it would be possible (wrt my earlier question)
May 10 11:39:02 <L29Ah> mediabox doesn't play my pron
May 10 11:39:10 <L29Ah> and oscp plays only the soundtrack of it
May 10 11:39:14 <L29Ah> :(
May 10 11:39:16 <KotCzarny> click 'vid' button
May 10 11:39:27 <KotCzarny> it will enable video part
May 10 11:40:10 <KotCzarny> but if gstreamer doesnt know that format it wouldnt
May 10 11:40:51 <KotCzarny> but if gstreamer doesnt know that format nothing else would play it (as without dsp code it will be a slideshow)
May 10 11:41:32 <L29Ah> i don't see such a button
May 10 11:41:39 <KotCzarny> click the grid button
May 10 11:41:43 <KotCzarny> it will show more buttons
May 10 11:41:55 <KotCzarny> it may be named [V] and not Vid
May 10 11:41:56 <L29Ah> i'm in the grid mode
May 10 11:42:03 <L29Ah> V:0 thing?
May 10 11:42:06 <KotCzarny> yeah
May 10 11:42:08 <L29Ah> V:1 does nothing
May 10 11:42:11 <bencoh> pr0n has a tendancy to be high profile these days ... a bit hard on our poor C64+ dsp :)
May 10 11:42:13 <KotCzarny> reclick video?
May 10 11:42:24 <bencoh> tendency*
May 10 11:42:51 <KotCzarny> bencoh: watching pr0n on c64?
May 10 11:42:55 <KotCzarny> hardc0re
May 10 11:43:01 <L29Ah> i hanged the core
May 10 11:43:19 <KotCzarny> l29ah: be patient?
May 10 11:43:46 <KotCzarny> also 'hung'
May 10 11:43:50 <KotCzarny> (past tense)
May 10 11:43:56 <bencoh> KotCzarny: C64x+ is the omap3 dsp
May 10 11:44:11 <KotCzarny> becoh, oh, thought about actual c64
May 10 11:44:18 <bencoh> no, I wasnt talking about CGA pr0n ;p
May 10 11:44:47 <L29Ah> how patient should i be?
May 10 11:44:55 <KotCzarny> l29ah: check the top
May 10 11:45:06 <L29Ah> killed it, restarted, ordered it to play, hanging for a minute
May 10 11:45:23 <L29Ah> no one's in top
May 10 11:45:39 <KotCzarny> check if stock player plays that file
May 10 11:45:45 <L29Ah> it doesn't
May 10 11:46:10 <KotCzarny> then you are out of luck
May 10 11:46:29 <KotCzarny> unless you can port libav dsp code to gcc4.2
May 10 11:46:30 <L29Ah> 1280x720 h264 is too good huh?
May 10 11:46:55 <KotCzarny> more likely unsupported codec
May 10 11:47:00 <L29Ah> h264
May 10 11:47:34 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35619
May 10 11:47:50 <KotCzarny> baseline is supported only, not sure what the bitrate and resolution limits are (although |I think 800x480 H264 baseline will work but 720p will not) 
May 10 11:48:20 <zamn900> WHYYYYYY WHYYYY no youtube wtf device support from youtube 
May 10 11:48:32 <L29Ah> youwhat
May 10 11:48:35 <KotCzarny> youtube allows different formats
May 10 11:48:42 <KotCzarny> ask for webm
May 10 11:48:44 <KotCzarny> or something
May 10 11:48:44 <L29Ah> youtube-dl, ask to get the proper size
May 10 11:48:44 <zamn900> shall I definately disinstall cutetube?
May 10 11:49:18 <zamn900> ye I know about youtube-dl but it seems to not work in my n900
May 10 11:49:31 <L29Ah> strange it doesn't
May 10 11:49:36 <zamn900> I supposed that was so normal for all n900
May 10 11:49:43 <zamn900> doesn'it?
May 10 11:50:11 <L29Ah> dunno, never tried to play video on this thing
May 10 11:50:18 <zamn900> lol
May 10 11:50:21 <zamn900> thing?
May 10 11:50:38 <L29Ah> The Nokia N900 Internet Tablet
May 10 11:50:51 * zamn900 trows L29Ah out of the maemo ship
May 10 11:50:56 <KotCzarny> l29ah: anyway, remember that with v:1 it uses device's gstreamer, and v:0 uses libav and other oscp's builtin libs
May 10 11:51:07 <L29Ah> ok
May 10 11:51:44 <zamn900> this is a meessss btw 
May 10 11:51:48 <KotCzarny> quite a few people downloaded clips but usually want to just play audio part
May 10 11:51:49 <zamn900> gosh help us
May 10 11:52:07 <zamn900> how can we survive without cutetube
May 10 11:52:32 <L29Ah> hang out on irc more
May 10 11:52:48 <zamn900> that's not cool
May 10 11:53:10 <L29Ah> install 4.1 and gentoo
May 10 11:53:12 <L29Ah> that's cool
May 10 11:53:25 <zamn900> if you wanna be more on irc you haven' to cut off cutetube 
May 10 11:53:44 <zamn900> man this sucks
May 10 11:54:03 <zamn900> the world sucks without cutetube
May 10 11:54:07 <KotCzarny> l29ah: if you manage to compile libav with dsp code enabled that would work with stock eglibc, let me know
May 10 11:54:27 <L29Ah> i doubt i'll get into this
May 10 11:54:34 <L29Ah> video playback is too useless
May 10 11:54:40 <KotCzarny> useful sometimes
May 10 11:55:26 <KotCzarny> or if you manage to compile stable gcc >=4.8 for stock eglibc
May 10 11:55:34 <KotCzarny> that would be nice too
May 10 12:13:45 <Vajb> L29Ah: have u tried bnf for battery info?
May 10 12:14:46 <L29Ah> bnf is good
May 10 12:14:59 <Vajb> yep
May 10 12:15:23 <L29Ah> in-kernel driver is better, tho it sucks by not showing the current power drain
May 10 12:15:29 <Vajb> but wasn't mentioned before so i thought u forgot it's existence :)
May 10 12:15:49 <Vajb> yeah it's always 5 seconds past
May 10 12:15:58 <L29Ah> eh, i mean it doesn't show the power
May 10 12:16:03 <L29Ah> only current
May 10 12:16:04 <Vajb> but still less than device itself ;)
May 10 12:16:20 <L29Ah> i have to product some numbers ;[
May 10 12:16:30 <L29Ah> and twice as much i2c requests
May 10 12:16:33 <Vajb> it shows power too
May 10 12:16:41 <L29Ah> no
May 10 12:16:50 <KotCzarny> l29ah, external powermeter, no other proper way
May 10 12:16:58 <KotCzarny> as you will be waking device otherwise
May 10 12:17:01 <Vajb> u mean power as wats being used?
May 10 12:17:20 <KotCzarny> power is measured in watts
May 10 12:17:46 <Vajb> and can be calculated since we know mah and voltage
May 10 12:18:39 <KotCzarny> still, you are waking the device
May 10 12:18:48 <KotCzarny> and that disrupts the measurement
May 10 12:18:53 <L29Ah> i guess crap like hal wake it as well
May 10 12:18:58 <KotCzarny> yes
May 10 12:19:09 <L29Ah> so a proper monitor doesn't affect much
May 10 12:19:22 <KotCzarny> will do
May 10 12:19:25 <L29Ah> i.e. not written in bash calling lots of shit
May 10 12:19:32 <KotCzarny> because it wont wake the device
May 10 12:19:36 <Vajb> i guess bq script in loop mode isn't helping either?
May 10 12:19:45 <L29Ah> Vajb: it consumes A LOT
May 10 12:19:52 <KotCzarny> is n900's kernel using nohz?
May 10 12:20:01 <Vajb> yeah i guess
May 10 12:20:17 <KotCzarny> still, doing syscalls is expensive
May 10 12:20:18 <L29Ah> no /proc/config.gz ;[
May 10 12:20:31 <Wizzup> fyi, charging with host mode is supported
May 10 12:20:35 <Wizzup> apparently :) 
May 10 12:21:01 <KotCzarny> l29ah: while [ 1 ]; do grep timer /proc/interrupts; sleep 1; done
May 10 12:21:22 <KotCzarny> if its constant difference then no nohz
May 10 12:21:50 <L29Ah> ~50/s
May 10 12:22:10 <KotCzarny> try with wifi off
May 10 12:22:11 <L29Ah> s/[ 1 ]/:/
May 10 12:22:16 <L29Ah> OH NO
May 10 12:23:37 <Vajb> buy some cheap multimeter and hook it up with ur device hehe
May 10 12:24:07 <L29Ah> i have some multimeters but they suck
May 10 12:24:10 <KotCzarny> vajb, cheap multimeter wouldnt be so exact in mAh range
May 10 12:27:08 <Vajb> oh well
May 10 12:28:52 <L29Ah> is it ok i see no style for http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ ?
May 10 12:29:36 <KotCzarny> refresh?
May 10 12:30:09 <L29Ah> no luck
May 10 12:30:27 <KotCzarny> adblocking got the style?
May 10 12:30:52 <L29Ah> no, looks like the server is down or so
May 10 12:42:10 <L29Ah> static.maemo.org doesn't answer
May 10 12:42:36 <KotCzarny> wfm
May 10 12:42:49 <L29Ah> checked thru tor, same shit
May 10 12:42:56 <KotCzarny> redirected me to :81 tho
May 10 12:42:57 <L29Ah> https://static.maemo.org:81/static/b/b201c4d8680611df803c0f60e87c923e923e_ccchh-dooris-widget_icon
May 10 12:43:01 <L29Ah> does this open for you?
May 10 12:43:12 <KotCzarny> nope
May 10 12:44:01 <KotCzarny> http://static.maemo.org:81/static/b/b201c4d8680611df803c0f60e87c923e923e_ccchh-dooris-widget_icon
May 10 12:44:09 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 10 12:44:17 <KotCzarny> somehow i have it loaded tho
May 10 12:44:25 <L29Ah> i have https everywhere thing on
May 10 12:44:56 <KotCzarny> you know http and https wont work on the same port?
May 10 12:45:16 <L29Ah> i don't
May 10 12:45:23 <L29Ah> https everywhere devs don't as well it seems
May 10 12:45:23 <KotCzarny> anyway, works with http
May 10 12:45:25 <L29Ah> k
May 10 12:45:32 <L29Ah> i'll file them a bug
May 10 15:48:29 <KotCzarny> http://i.imgur.com/cbSQO.jpg
May 10 15:48:35 <KotCzarny> speakers enhancers
May 10 15:49:01 <KotCzarny> and most likely it works
May 10 15:53:37 <kerio> LOL
May 10 16:26:34 <scottc> ha
May 10 16:26:43 <scottc> bought my new battery, it should arrive this week :)
May 10 16:27:05 <KotCzarny> have you checked it was the battery?
May 10 16:41:33 <scottc> KotCzarny: can't confirm since i don't have a spare battery, but it feels a bit swollen and can spin on its side freely like someone suggested
May 10 16:41:40 <scottc> so for 3 euro, i will give it a shot
May 10 16:41:51 <KotCzarny> :)
May 10 16:41:56 <KotCzarny> ask anyone on the street
May 10 16:42:08 <KotCzarny> tell them that you need to call but your battery is 'flat'
May 10 16:42:24 <KotCzarny> and if they have nokia ;)
May 10 16:42:30 <scottc> haha
May 10 16:42:47 <scottc> i'm living in london (temporarily) now, i imagine i'd be punched
May 10 16:43:16 <scottc> sad thing is, i have like 10 spare broken nokia phones at home that family members have given me, i'm sure one would have the right battery
May 10 16:44:30 <krbtgt> i know C3-00s use the same battery
May 10 16:44:41 <krbtgt> carriers here gave the away basically
May 10 16:46:07 <scottc> good to know!
May 10 16:46:15 <scottc> where is "here", for reference?
May 10 16:46:23 <krbtgt> canada
May 10 16:46:31 <scottc> ah
May 10 16:53:00 <KotCzarny> getting punched for owning nokia?
May 10 16:53:04 <KotCzarny> o.O
May 10 16:54:37 <L29Ah> whoa power kernel pulled some u-boot
May 10 16:54:54 <L29Ah> but no /etc/bootmenu.d
May 10 16:55:08 <KotCzarny> hmm, i have power kernel installed too, wonder if it also installed uboot
May 10 16:55:14 <kerio> it didn't
May 10 16:55:32 <L29Ah> uboot-power
May 10 16:55:36 <L29Ah> what does this do?
May 10 16:56:09 <L29Ah> er
May 10 16:56:28 <L29Ah> i suck at apt it seems
May 10 16:56:34 <L29Ah> how to list all the installed packages?
May 10 16:56:40 <kerio> i don't think it's the supported one
May 10 16:56:42 <kerio> L29Ah: dpkg -l
May 10 16:57:01 <L29Ah> okay no u-boot
May 10 17:03:26 <bencoh> please pretty please install uboot :)
May 10 17:03:31 <KotCzarny> :>
May 10 17:03:42 <KotCzarny> 'if it works, dont break it' ?
May 10 17:03:48 <bencoh> nooo
May 10 17:04:03 <L29Ah> sure i will
May 10 17:04:14 <L29Ah> after the battery runs out ;[
May 10 17:04:28 <L29Ah> a week left or so
May 10 17:04:35 <bencoh> calibrating ?
May 10 17:04:38 <L29Ah> yep
May 10 17:04:43 <KotCzarny> launch video in the background
May 10 17:04:46 <KotCzarny> on the loop
May 10 17:04:52 <KotCzarny> should be a quickie
May 10 17:05:13 <L29Ah> nah it's too wasteful ;)
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