**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 15 02:59:58 2015 May 15 03:29:05 Oh, cool. I've got a root console on my phone. :) May 15 03:30:50 Hm... it seems that zsh is not available... May 15 03:30:56 What's a pity. May 15 03:32:49 Hm... But it's easy to package it. I think I have a lot of work here. :) May 15 03:34:01 Wow... No less package. May 15 06:05:20 freehck: learn apt-get May 15 06:05:36 and maybe port synaptic May 15 07:34:39 KotCzarny: have not understood. I've been being a debian user for more then 5 years, and think I know APT perfectly. What am I doing wrong? May 15 07:35:17 KotCzarny: I suppose there's a repository with these utilities, right? May 15 07:37:13 ah, I see. Extras-devel. I didn't add it. Time to do it. May 15 07:41:42 KotCzarny: Thank you. Already installed. ) May 15 07:50:14 freehck: :) May 15 07:50:28 ham is ugly May 15 07:51:18 you should read about upgrading to cssu as it gives many improvements over stock May 15 07:52:10 moin :) May 15 07:52:29 oink May 15 07:54:19 freehck: also, if you add repos outside ham it will overwrite them May 15 07:57:01 KotCzarny: I was a little bit frightened about this upgrade because it was described as non-revertable. May 15 07:57:17 not true, you can always reflash with stock firmware May 15 07:57:21 KotCzarny: What kind of staff will I get if I upgrade to CSSU? May 15 07:57:27 ~cssu May 15 07:57:28 methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) May 15 07:57:46 *stuff May 15 07:58:30 freehck: it's "non-revertable" in the sense that the only sensible way to revert it is to reflash May 15 07:58:50 but if it's the first time you've ever set a n900 up, you WILL have to reflash at least once or twice anyway May 15 07:58:58 because you will fuck things up May 15 07:59:09 the nice part is, it's completely fine May 15 07:59:37 freehck: reflashing its a part of hacking n900 May 15 07:59:55 everyone did it few times, and its completely safe May 15 08:00:09 there's pretty much nothing you can do to a n900 other than overclocking that would damage it May 15 08:00:14 kerio: why will I necessarily fuck up? May 15 08:00:15 software-wise, that is May 15 08:00:24 and best time to learn/test new stuff is when you are just starting with n900 May 15 08:00:52 freehck: because fremantle is less resilient to fuckups than win98se May 15 08:01:24 there's usually a way to unfuck things up, but there's pretty much no documentation May 15 08:01:36 kerio: do you mean that it's not as stable as debian is? May 15 08:01:46 but, if you know debian a bit more than only from gui clicking, you should be fine May 15 08:01:57 you'd think that changing the default shell to bash would be fine May 15 08:02:00 but it makes your system unbootable May 15 08:02:12 freehck: i recently managed fremantle to hang on boot because of bad line in ~/.profile May 15 08:02:15 imagine that May 15 08:02:30 luckily i didnt gave up and fixed it May 15 08:02:52 KotCzarny: I'd rather create a new user for system tests. ) May 15 08:02:54 (without reflashing, just booting rescueos) May 15 08:02:59 nope May 15 08:03:01 no new user May 15 08:03:03 the only "permanent" damage you can do would be to overwrite CAL May 15 08:03:05 it's one user system May 15 08:03:18 unless you hack it May 15 08:03:26 but that only loses you the bluetooth mac address, pretty much May 15 08:03:27 I've just understood that user "user" is something obligatory for system to work. May 15 08:03:29 but too many gui things are bound to default /home/user May 15 08:04:33 KotCzarny: I don't think that console utilities depend on /home/user so much. May 15 08:04:43 it would be ridiculous. May 15 08:04:44 if you like tinkering with partitions, make sure that the first partition on the emmc is vfat and the second is extfs May 15 08:04:54 the third being swap is only used in sbin/preinit May 15 08:04:57 so you can change that May 15 08:05:03 freehck: anyway, feel free to hack May 15 08:05:09 that's why we love n900 anyway May 15 08:05:30 and if you come up with something new/cool, share it on talk.maemo.org May 15 08:05:41 gotcha May 15 08:06:36 btw, many people told me that maemo is a dying platform. Is it true? May 15 08:06:39 and if you hack it beyond unhackable, reflash is quick and easy May 15 08:06:43 yes May 15 08:06:51 too small userbase, nokia is owned by m$ etc May 15 08:07:01 but if you just want linux phone, it's great May 15 08:07:14 I saw that there was a lot of derivatives, but I don't like they're not debian-based. May 15 08:07:24 most linux apps 'just work' after compiling May 15 08:07:36 old glibc and gcc starts biting tho May 15 08:07:57 I see there's emacs24 for maemo5. What could be better? :) May 15 08:08:20 freehck: see my 'just grab the sources and compile it' May 15 08:08:32 KotCzarny: where? May 15 08:08:42 and where you get sources for linux apps? May 15 08:08:52 for compiling see scratchbox env May 15 08:08:53 apt-get source / pbuilder? May 15 08:09:12 you can also compile on device, but it's tricky May 15 08:09:24 hey, what debian is lying under maemo5? May 15 08:09:25 ~scratchbox May 15 08:09:25 hmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB May 15 08:09:29 wheezy? May 15 08:09:34 squeeze? May 15 08:09:39 dont know May 15 08:09:44 something from 2007-2009 May 15 08:09:50 hm... May 15 08:09:54 ,aybe even lenny. May 15 08:10:37 okay, i must work. May 15 08:10:41 see u later. May 15 08:10:51 and thanks for answers. May 15 10:06:47 [11:01:57] you'd think that changing the default shell to bash would be fine May 15 10:06:47 [11:02:00] but it makes your system unbootable May 15 10:06:48 worksforme May 15 10:07:13 it works fine as long as the shell you changed to is in /etc/shells and you don't change root's default shell May 15 10:07:14 iirc May 15 10:07:19 because, you know May 15 10:07:24 8 character passwords are fine May 15 10:07:31 but god forbid a user sets a non-approved login shell May 15 10:07:51 [11:04:44] if you like tinkering with partitions, make sure that the first partition on the emmc is vfat and the second is extfs May 15 10:07:51 i replaced vfat to ext2 okay, fixing only fstab May 15 10:08:05 uboot will not work properly, i think May 15 10:08:13 kerio: i did change the root's shell May 15 10:08:16 unless it uses "the first vfat partition" rather than "the first partition, vfat" May 15 10:09:39 *yawn* May 15 10:09:46 there is always rescueos May 15 10:09:54 for all those hacks May 15 10:10:12 i will make it full blown rescue system one day May 15 10:10:42 define "full blown rescue system" May 15 10:10:43 port systemrescuecd ;] May 15 10:10:56 it's got tools for ubifs, extfs and vfat May 15 10:11:01 :) May 15 10:14:53 sysresc has ubifs support now ? May 15 10:16:25 rescueOS has always been able to mount the maemo root fs May 15 10:16:33 mount yes, but fix? May 15 10:16:35 i doubt systemrescuecd does May 15 10:16:40 KotCzarny: you don't fix ubifs May 15 10:16:48 the fix for ubifs is to nuke it and rebuild May 15 10:16:55 :) May 15 10:16:56 yeah I was talking about sysresccd :) May 15 10:39:05 * Sicelo thinks NIN101 did a very good job with RescueOS May 15 10:39:24 +1 :) May 15 10:39:43 there are just too many possible things that can break Maemo, so a one-for-all rescue system isn't going to be very easy :) May 15 10:44:57 Sicelo: thank you :-) May 15 10:50:21 it has a room for improvements tho May 15 10:50:23 :) May 15 10:50:27 but yes, good job May 15 10:50:50 as a nr1 issue, please print some special key shortcuts May 15 10:50:58 as in shift-space == tab May 15 10:51:09 and fn-ctrl == esc May 15 10:51:12 etc May 15 10:53:09 KotCzarny: it's in the documentation May 15 10:55:06 hmm, maybe not documentation.txt though ... May 15 10:56:37 bencoh: best place is motd May 15 10:59:53 yep, good idea May 15 11:00:21 and placing 2 letters symlinks from /rescueOS to /usr/bin May 15 11:00:30 ie. mm to mount-maemo.sh May 15 11:00:35 and mu to umount-maemo.sh May 15 11:00:58 that makes repeated reboots more passable May 15 11:01:13 and get rid of that ask-on-start stuff May 15 11:01:33 and make a script that will run them (asking) and name it qc May 15 11:01:42 and list all those shortcuts in motd too May 15 11:03:57 you get my idea? May 15 11:04:01 yep. May 15 11:04:24 also, you can run telnetd without asking May 15 11:04:40 and get rid of root pass May 15 11:04:53 it's not that it has to be secure or anything May 15 11:05:06 it has to be quick and handy and helpful May 15 11:05:11 would probably be ok in practise, yes. May 15 11:06:14 at least those are hacks you can do for all, i have more that i did May 15 11:06:37 also, i have tried compiling kernel using your kernel_config and source, but it didnt boot May 15 11:06:55 oh. May 15 11:06:56 so, you should enable /proc/config.gz option May 15 11:07:10 probably won't ever touch the kernel May 15 11:07:25 i might have broken something because i changed few options, but those were unlikely to break booting May 15 11:07:45 did you compile kernel yourself or used meego one? May 15 11:07:57 compiled it myself in scratchbox, using the meego source May 15 11:08:07 and modified the config a bit so it would actually work. May 15 11:08:30 i may try compiling again without changing anything just for checking May 15 11:09:01 anyway, could take a bit till the new release May 15 11:09:21 no worries, it's usable and helped me in current form May 15 11:09:22 a guy commited quite a lot of changes in the build system etc., first I have to make sure this works and everything. May 15 11:09:27 just needed some tweaking May 15 11:44:38 i want a second n900 for hacking ;[ May 15 11:45:10 L29Ah: isn;t n900 cheep these days? May 15 11:45:15 *cheap May 15 11:45:34 $120 avg there May 15 11:45:39 i'm too cheap May 15 11:45:51 in the US ? May 15 11:45:51 $120 O.o May 15 11:45:54 in russia May 15 11:46:00 oh, okay May 15 11:46:01 i got mine for $40 May 15 11:46:23 no one needs a thing that can't run angry birds May 15 11:46:33 I think it can May 15 11:48:13 it can play the webos version using preenv May 15 11:49:43 the android version runs on harmattan with apkenv May 15 11:50:00 it might run on maemo as well ... maybe May 15 11:50:46 O.o May 15 11:50:56 yeah, 40$ is more like it May 15 11:51:49 oh well, some android angry birds variants are known to run on maemo as well, according to wiki May 15 11:52:10 bencoh: at what fps? May 15 11:52:29 starts from $100 on ebay May 15 11:52:37 https://wiki.maemo.org/Apkenv/Game_Compatibility May 15 11:52:43 dunno, but it doesnt look bad May 15 11:54:13 l29ah: global ebay or .ru one? May 15 11:54:23 global May 15 11:54:29 what's "ru ebay"? May 15 11:54:35 we don't have such thing May 15 11:54:41 ebay.ru ? May 15 11:54:51 redirects to ebay.com May 15 11:55:28 you should have local auctioning sites May 15 12:01:40 [14:45:34] $120 avg there May 15 12:01:59 uhum May 15 12:02:51 i hope the battery measurement thing will able to recognize my 5A*h setup on the first run May 15 12:03:09 nope, the chip learns slowly May 15 12:03:18 will take few cycles May 15 12:04:04 i see many n900 with damaged usb port May 15 12:04:14 some as low as ~20$ May 15 13:58:27 ok, i have a real problem now May 15 13:58:48 during calls i can't hear anything and wifi turns on by itself May 15 13:59:20 what the hell might it be? May 15 13:59:32 damaged flex cable? May 15 14:00:49 ~flasher May 15 14:00:49 somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ May 15 14:08:33 usertail, sounds like a hardware problem May 15 14:09:03 ? May 15 14:09:28 yeah, that's definitely hw problem, but i'll try to reflash first May 15 14:09:46 but wifi wouldnt turn on by itself May 15 14:09:48 useretail: speakers work (apart from during a call) ? May 15 14:09:57 bencoh: yes May 15 14:10:17 could it be kernel? May 15 14:10:33 did you do something to kernel? May 15 14:10:35 dunno, but I'd bet "software" :) May 15 14:10:55 (and most probably userland) May 15 14:10:58 also, which speakers we are talking about May 15 14:11:18 bencoh: i mean i can't hear via earpiece, but when i enable loudspeakers i can hear May 15 14:11:25 oh May 15 14:11:49 try oldschool fix by sucking softly on the earpiece May 15 14:11:57 and now when i turned off wifi, it turned on again! May 15 14:12:13 KotCzarny: what's that? May 15 14:12:15 as for wifi, check if you have 'automatically connect on demand' or something May 15 14:12:29 useretail, earpiece hole May 15 14:12:54 oh that May 15 14:13:22 n8x0 had such option, dont remember for n900 May 15 14:14:07 nothing :( May 15 14:14:54 any other info how it came to that state? May 15 14:15:11 i was playing with power-kernel recently May 15 14:15:19 changed profile May 15 14:15:37 to lower voltage May 15 14:16:02 you dont need to change voltage manually, using smartreflex is better May 15 14:17:08 ok, i'm backing up stuff May 15 14:17:20 how to get list of installed apps? May 15 14:17:31 dpkg -l May 15 14:17:48 dpkg --get-selections May 15 14:20:22 KotCzarny: yes, you was right for wifi May 15 14:20:29 'you were' May 15 14:20:51 right May 15 14:21:56 polak? May 15 14:22:06 tja May 15 14:22:28 chyba nick czytelny, w kazdym razie po angielskiemu netykieta wymaga spikac May 15 14:23:46 troche znam polski, ale lepiej wracajmy do angielskiego ;) May 15 14:24:53 any ideas why settings changed? May 15 14:25:06 user? May 15 14:27:47 there's only one user May 15 14:27:59 no, i mean user as in 'you' May 15 14:28:02 unless someone hacked me :( May 15 14:28:27 which i don't think is possible :) May 15 14:28:48 at least on my n900 May 15 14:28:51 yeah, too obscure platform and most know droid May 15 14:35:41 It is NOT obscure May 15 14:36:39 It's part of a Debian ecosystem. May 15 14:40:55 incompatible with debian repos May 15 14:41:11 so similar/forked, but not too close May 15 14:52:18 KotCzarny: fairly close. May 15 19:29:27 how can i turn on the N900 keyboard light from the command line? May 15 19:29:34 like, force it on May 15 19:31:44 there is a way, search wiki.maemo.org May 15 19:44:38 ~vanilla May 15 19:44:39 i heard vanilla is just plain old up & down & up & down & up & down & up & down & ooooh!, or the finest of the flavors May 15 19:44:51 ~combined May 15 19:44:52 from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ May 15 22:43:13 https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption i don't get it, i think i just leave it as is >_> May 15 22:44:32 KotCzarny: i guess you might want to re-measure the media playing stuff, but i think my numbers' deltas are quite reproducible May 16 00:07:36 okay, the thing didn't update the battery capacity after a proper discharge cycle at all May 16 00:07:46 i guess i screw it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 16 02:59:59 2015