**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 13 02:59:59 2015 Jun 13 12:48:41 Wizzup_: Hey, I've finally just now finished and sent that email to Fairphone that I said I was writing! Jun 13 12:49:05 yo. Jun 13 12:49:07 ack Jun 13 12:51:04 Wizzup_: It's pretty long! GVim's wordcount counts 2371 words! Jun 13 12:51:24 I've pinged the person I know, let me know what I should say Jun 13 12:51:25 ;) Jun 13 12:58:08 Wizzup_: Maybe I should forward you a copy of the email. Right now, I'm going to take a break and talk about it later – I've been writing and thinking hard about this for days (I wanted to make sure I sent it before they made their Fairphone 2 announcement, apparently next week according to an email I received from their announce mailing list) and I need a break now. Jun 13 13:48:24 JamesJRH: ack Jun 13 21:07:08 Wizzup_: So I guess the first thing is to just make sure that they see my email (that it's not in spam or what have you). Jun 13 21:15:49 Wizzup_: To summarise my email, about technological liberty and the Fairphone, I explain that I think that it's strange that an ethical organisation seems to be ignoring or oblivious to libre software, and I endorse FSF's RYF certification. I also stress that open-source hardware is greatly lagging behind software and that Fairphone could help improve this by aiming for the OSH definition. Jun 13 21:19:28 Wizzup_: Then I make a pledge for my support of RYF and OSH, both as money, promotion, and potentially helping out with ideas and software. I say that I'm happy to pay this upfront if they pledge they'll aim for RYF and OSH publicly under the condition that if they don't adhere to their pledge, they refund my pledge. Jun 13 21:26:34 Wizzup_: Then I go off on a bit of a tangent, detailing my dream phone that I'm aiming for and what my minimum requirements for a phone to be my main phone are (which coïncidentally is almost exactly the specification of the Fairphone 1, mainly just missing an FM radio, an anchor point, and video out, but slighly exceeding a couple of other features). Jun 13 21:33:56 It's pretty much just the CPU and the mass that exceed my bare minimum, which I stated as: mass ≤ 300g; CPU at least ARMv7-A dual-core 2×1.2GHz. Jun 13 21:34:33 The Fairphone is 163g and quad core. Jun 13 21:36:24 It's a pretty normal mass actually, most of the smartphones that I've considered getting are around 170g, but I really don't care, hence the very loose constraint there. Jun 13 21:39:45 I'd rather have 1 device with more features than carry multiple devices. If I carry 2 smartphones that are 170g, that's 340g. Jun 13 21:40:33 just put them it two different pockets :> Jun 13 21:40:36 (just kidding) Jun 13 21:40:56 Yep. Jun 13 21:42:01 I sometimes carry my old LG Optimus 3D because, well, it's stereoscopic and my Sony Xperia Z1 doesn't have that. Jun 13 21:44:23 What I'm saying is that I wouldn't complain about the mass of a phone being over the typical 170g by any means, because I'd prefer more features to be packed into a single device. Hence why my mass constraint is pretty lax. Jun 13 21:51:27 Wizzup_: Do you also care about libre software or open-source hardware? If so, it would be good to let the person you know at Fairphone know that you're also interested. Jun 13 21:54:09 the issue with fairphone is not about "opensource hardware" (which usually refers to open schematics/board design and not open chips) but with the SoC itself Jun 13 21:54:16 but we've discussed that already Jun 13 22:00:28 bencoh: Have we? Jun 13 22:00:47 Wasn't that the Neo900 we were talking about? Jun 13 22:01:24 (In #neo900 I think.) Jun 13 22:02:34 I understand that most chip designs aren't libre, but OSH is a step closer, which I wish to support. Jun 13 22:04:47 JamesJRH: we talked about the fairphone using a SoC with a shared-mem/bus design Jun 13 22:04:59 (and the modem has access to everyting) Jun 13 22:11:30 I remember now (with the help of my scrollback). It was on the 9th – wow, it took me so long to write this email. Jun 13 22:12:56 bencoh: I wrote to Fairphone because they're developing a new one. Hopefully they'll take onboard some of what I've said. Jun 13 22:18:05 This email had temporarily taken priority for a few days because I received a couple of emails from their mailing list saying that they're making progress with the Fairphone 2, so the later I left it, the less likely it would be that the Fairphone would be more technologically liberal. Jun 13 22:28:47 I was told about the Fairphone on the 6th, so I've been thinking about the Fairphone for just over a week now. Jun 13 22:36:20 I was also thinking about the Neo900 before that, which I found out about on the 4th – okay, 9 and a half days mainly spent thinking about smartphones in the context of technological liberty. I should get back to my BeagleBone Black and NixOS work. Jun 13 22:38:13 I'm glad to have at least done my best to potentially get something in the pipeline on this matter. Jun 13 22:38:59 Wizzup_: Let me know if there's anything that you can do to help. Jun 14 01:32:10 is there any way to get group chat via MMS to work on maemo? fmms just kind of flops at them **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 14 02:59:58 2015