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Jul 03 03:43:07 <pentanol> hi all
Jul 03 03:43:25 <pentanol> someone know, can I connect flash or cardreader with http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzg3WDc4Nw==/z/zncAAOxyyjpRxCFi/$(KGrHqVHJFYFG93wVJ72BR)CFiZdqw~~60_57.JPG
Jul 03 03:43:29 <pentanol> to my n900 ?
Jul 03 06:39:02 <r00t^home> pentanol: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode
Jul 03 07:02:02 <pentanol> r00t^home I have value in there b_idle
Jul 03 07:02:52 <pentanol> and after I do echo otg > /sys.../mode it happens well, but after cat this in /sys it cat's b_idle
Jul 03 07:03:01 <pentanol> and I can't change it to host value
Jul 03 07:09:15 <pentanol> I can't install usbcontroll.install on my n900
Jul 03 08:03:27 <Vajb> did anyone battle with not working tomtom navigator?
Jul 03 08:40:54 <r00t^home> oh noes, i gave him the wrong google result and he didn't read the big fat warning on top
Jul 03 08:58:37 <KotCzarny> tick tock tick tock .. boom?
Jul 03 08:59:16 <L29Ah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e5KpKUgSVA
Jul 03 10:44:16 <Sicelo> haha, too much hassle with tracker KotCzarny? 
Jul 03 10:45:52 <Sicelo> {-0-}: you're probably the only one getting those directories indexed. are you absolutely sure that's what tracker indexed? or you perhaps have a copy of those directories in MyDocs/ somehow?
Jul 03 10:49:54 <Sicelo> find the PID of `mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer`
Jul 03 10:50:59 <Sicelo> then play one of the sounds via the media player, and at the same time run `lsof -p PID` to see which file is actually being accessed
Jul 03 10:55:22 <KotCzarny> sicelo: trackers are nice when your files have proper metadata, quite a big chunk doesn't, so one need to fallback to directory/name anyway
Jul 03 10:55:40 <KotCzarny> ie. making tracker unneeded
Jul 03 10:57:17 <DocScrutinizer05> alas gallery needs it, or I had killed it years ago
Jul 03 10:57:41 <Sicelo> not necessarily. you still eliminate the need to browse/sort/order your directories. and yes,  it also helps a lot with pictures
Jul 03 10:57:59 <Sicelo> hi DocScrutinizer05 :)
Jul 03 10:58:04 <DocScrutinizer05> hi!
Jul 03 10:58:38 <KotCzarny> doc: just use any replacement
Jul 03 10:58:40 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 03 10:59:11 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod: indeed a modified filemanager might serve same purpose better
Jul 03 10:59:13 <KotCzarny> i shall tidy up my oscv (pic viewer) one day and release it properly
Jul 03 11:00:00 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway tracker once had a bug which defeated proper exclude(?) statements in config from working
Jul 03 11:00:04 <KotCzarny> it handles rarer file formats, animated gifs etc
Jul 03 11:00:18 <DocScrutinizer05> fixed in CSSU
Jul 03 11:00:23 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
Jul 03 11:00:58 <KotCzarny> doc, i like the android way of excluding dirs: if a directory contains file named .nomedia its skipped (and subdirs too)
Jul 03 11:01:08 <DocScrutinizer05> cool
Jul 03 11:01:33 <KotCzarny> who manages trackerd ?
Jul 03 11:01:36 <DocScrutinizer05> not new but cool
Jul 03 11:01:42 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug*
Jul 03 11:02:53 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/tracker/
Jul 03 11:03:25 <KotCzarny> unmaintained
Jul 03 11:03:33 <DocScrutinizer05> sure. it's core
Jul 03 11:03:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ask CSSU
Jul 03 11:09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog ^F: tracker
Jul 03 11:10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Properly care about NoWatch list for discovered removable devices.<<
Jul 03 11:11:44 * DocScrutinizer05 got cssu-t and has no particular problemns like above with tracker, anymore. In early times it was common to have IRreco buttons in gallery and all sorts of sounds in mediaplayer
Jul 03 11:13:26 <KotCzarny> wouldnt it scan all /opt apps sounds?
Jul 03 11:15:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I think it doesn't, and shouldn't
Jul 03 11:16:14 <DocScrutinizer05> in early maemo5 it did
Jul 03 11:17:43 <DocScrutinizer05> I most recently had issues when tracker kicked in during call due to recaler creating a new file, prolly I need to exclude my calls/ dir in my mp3/ folder
Jul 03 11:21:44 <APic> DocScrutinizer05: Ahhh, You are herein again! Welcome back!  *Handshake*
Jul 03 11:22:12 <DocScrutinizer05> tried if I can cope with it
Jul 03 11:22:22 <DocScrutinizer05> so far it feels ok
Jul 03 11:22:54 <DocScrutinizer05> APic: ta!
Jul 03 11:24:00 <APic> Takaaa, You managed it!
Jul 03 11:35:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ever heard of devuan? your smart CSSU devels and council are about to create a cooperation with them, to keep maemo alive
Jul 03 11:36:49 <KotCzarny> is it good or bad?
Jul 03 11:37:04 <DocScrutinizer05> very good, in my book
Jul 03 11:37:10 <DocScrutinizer05> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2015-06-29/?msg=43187784&page=2
Jul 03 11:40:42 <DocScrutinizer05> it actually could be the incarnation of maemo as a 100% proper free distro
Jul 03 11:41:39 <DocScrutinizer05> the integration point of CSSU and FSF with Devuan
Jul 03 11:42:44 <KotCzarny> would be nice to have modern libs etc
Jul 03 11:43:02 <DocScrutinizer05> that wuld be in reach then
Jul 03 11:44:32 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway this will be the future base aka "upstream" for maemo genuine, since debian is moving to systemd which is *not* compatible with maemo at all
Jul 03 11:46:04 <KotCzarny> to be honest, im happy with stock fremantle, but wouldnt mind the options
Jul 03 11:46:39 <Wizzup> would be great to have newer libs
Jul 03 11:46:46 <Wizzup> and updated sw
Jul 03 11:46:59 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't port future debian packages to stock maemo
Jul 03 11:47:43 <DocScrutinizer05> and eventually CSSU guys can't backport bugfixes from debian either. At least not without much effort
Jul 03 11:48:04 <KotCzarny> yeah, but for now it serves me well as a phone/media player/hacking console
Jul 03 11:48:23 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, that's why we should try to keep it alive :-)
Jul 03 11:50:01 <DocScrutinizer05> *I* realy want armel packages (cmdline at least) that simply install and work on maemo. Devuan could provide those
Jul 03 11:50:48 <DocScrutinizer05> armel deb pkgs that is
Jul 03 11:51:08 <KotCzarny> yes, old armel packages work out of the box
Jul 03 11:51:25 <KotCzarny> i have grabbed a bunch in the time (ntpdate and others)
Jul 03 11:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> new ones won't, eventually
Jul 03 11:51:47 <DocScrutinizer05> debian is drifting away
Jul 03 11:52:39 <DocScrutinizer05> devuan explicitly is about compatibility
Jul 03 11:53:10 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly now when we get a devuan900 image
Jul 03 11:53:25 <Wizzup> Of course, as glibc and many other packages update, you won't be able to get the newer ones anymore
Jul 03 11:53:39 <Wizzup> Generally having a more up to date distro is always good
Jul 03 11:54:14 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, that needs special care. But *usually* libs should be able to coexist in different versions. not glibc maybe
Jul 03 11:55:53 <DocScrutinizer05> but unlike debian + systemd that forces in glibc (and prolly a particular version of it), devuan allows arbitrary (g)libs
Jul 03 11:56:42 <DocScrutinizer05> so odds are devuan will serve maemo better than future debian
Jul 03 11:57:26 <L29Ah> DocScrutinizer05: sure it doesn't allow arbitrary libc
Jul 03 11:57:28 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, afk. cya
Jul 03 11:57:33 <L29Ah> w/o recompiling everything
Jul 03 11:57:56 <DocScrutinizer05> devuan is/has a buildjost
Jul 03 11:58:00 <DocScrutinizer05> host*
Jul 03 11:58:02 <KotCzarny> l29ah: but once you have the image and compilation infra you can recompile easily
Jul 03 11:59:08 <DocScrutinizer05> thus on devuan you *can* compile devuan900 with the glibc you like. Unlike debian which manfates a certain version, due to systemd
Jul 03 11:59:33 <DocScrutinizer05> madates. sorry afk now, for good
Jul 03 11:59:45 <KotCzarny> manfate is nice new word
Jul 03 11:59:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 03 12:00:26 <DocScrutinizer05> that happens when optical feedback completely lacks
Jul 03 12:00:51 <DocScrutinizer05> thus afk until that changes
Jul 03 18:00:09 <{-0-}> Sicelo, good call! *hangs head in shame* I'd backed up /home to /media/mmc1p4 and that's where it was finding it
Jul 03 18:01:07 <{-0-}> I'll tar that up and put it out of reach and try again.
Jul 03 18:01:54 <{-0-}> Think I'll stick with oscp for day to day though, it fits my tune collection perfectly
Jul 03 19:34:17 <Sicelo> {-0-}: you're welcome :) and do enjoy oscp, and vote for it on the package interface
Jul 03 19:37:33 <Sicelo> i'd say if you permanently move to oscp, you might find it useful to tell tracker to stop indexing your music directories. might save you some precious CPU time (when building the database)
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