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Jul 23 04:23:45 <endsormeans> Kotczarny: ping
Jul 23 04:46:08 <R0b0t1> what version of libusb does 0xfffff need to compile?
Jul 23 05:26:40 <n7903> hi
Jul 23 05:26:43 <n7903> peo
Jul 23 05:26:46 <n7903> people
Jul 23 05:27:38 <n7903> toc
Jul 23 05:27:40 <n7903> toc
Jul 23 05:30:26 <Sicelo> ?
Jul 23 07:07:46 <Fiorenza> ~flashing
Jul 23 07:07:47 <infobot> i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Jul 23 07:14:55 <Fiorenza> Hi, cannot find the file maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz
Jul 23 07:15:30 <Fiorenza> Where can I download it, please ?
Jul 23 07:16:03 <Fiorenza> ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk
Jul 23 07:16:11 <Fiorenza> ~tabletsdev
Jul 23 07:16:12 <infobot> i guess tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads
Jul 23 07:16:38 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/
Jul 23 07:16:42 <KotCzarny> try this way
Jul 23 07:17:06 <Fiorenza> it works, thanks !
Jul 23 07:17:29 <Fiorenza> Is there another O.S. I can install on my N900 ?
Jul 23 07:17:39 <KotCzarny> depends
Jul 23 07:17:40 <Fiorenza> Someone has tried Firefox OS ?
Jul 23 07:17:46 <KotCzarny> do you need all functionalities?
Jul 23 07:17:51 <KotCzarny> like phone etc
Jul 23 07:18:18 <KotCzarny> if you only need wifi, then yes, there are choices
Jul 23 07:19:01 <KotCzarny> otherwise you are stuck to fremantle (and to some extent chroot based distros)
Jul 23 07:19:02 <Fiorenza> I need to phone, whatsapp, calendar, address book
Jul 23 07:23:44 <Fiorenza> How does flash-it-all.sh work ? I connect my N900 via USB to my Linux PC and then I run the script ?
Jul 23 07:24:04 <KotCzarny> open it in some editor? maybe there are comments inside
Jul 23 07:24:09 <KotCzarny> or some readme in the package
Jul 23 07:24:19 <Fiorenza> Ok, I'm looking it.
Jul 23 07:24:25 <KotCzarny> but i guess you just start it and read what it says
Jul 23 07:24:55 <KotCzarny> it was meant to flash many n900 with as little user inteaction as possible
Jul 23 07:27:52 <Fiorenza> Yes, I'm reading the script: it tell when I have to remove the battery and what should I do.
Jul 23 07:29:06 <Fiorenza> Ok. Thanks. If I cannot resolve my whatsapp problem with Yappari, I'll have to buy a new phone, so I can use N900 as a tablet: so, what OS can I install ?
Jul 23 07:29:24 <KotCzarny> for yappari then just update to newest version
Jul 23 07:29:49 <KotCzarny> it was changing much lately
Jul 23 07:30:15 <Fiorenza> I just did it, but I don't receive messages from other, while I can send.
Jul 23 07:30:30 <KotCzarny> and you can write to yappari developer (either via talk.maemo.org page about your problem or here on irc 'ceene')
Jul 23 07:30:43 <KotCzarny> what version do you have?
Jul 23 07:30:51 <Fiorenza> It is strange, but I receive the messages of the group
Jul 23 07:31:18 <Fiorenza> I have the latest version of Yappari: 2.0.15
Jul 23 07:31:50 <Fiorenza> But I installed a patch on my N900 to resolve the problem of Gmail: I cannot read messages any more
Jul 23 07:32:42 <Fiorenza> So I wanted to reset N900 to have a clean behaviour...maybe it is the problem.
Jul 23 07:45:11 <bencoh> the latest yappari version might still be in -devel
Jul 23 07:45:34 <bencoh> hm, nevermind, promoted in -testing
Jul 23 07:46:54 <Fiorenza> It is 2.0.15 version ?
Jul 23 07:48:20 <bencoh> looks like it is http://maemo.org/packages/view/yappari/
Jul 23 07:50:53 <Fiorenza> In fact. I think it is my N900 problem, probably I installed something wrong. For this I want to reflash it and install new version of Yappari. 
Jul 23 08:16:14 <Fiorenza> ~flasher
Jul 23 08:16:14 <infobot> rumour has it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Jul 23 08:25:09 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: Re: no access to m.o, was a router glitch in the end BTW, just rebooted.
Jul 23 08:25:23 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 23 08:26:08 <sixwheeledbeast> jabber stopped working and then more ports stopped working slowly.
Jul 23 10:20:16 <ceene> Fiorenza: which patch is that for gmail that you installed?
Jul 23 10:20:23 <ceene> i don't see how can that affect to yappari
Jul 23 10:31:22 <ceene> ~repos
Jul 23 10:31:23 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./
Jul 23 10:31:55 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Jul 23 10:31:55 <infobot> [maemo-repos] http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Jul 23 10:33:42 <ceene> cool, thanks
Jul 23 10:33:47 <ceene> i'm going to post there my mirror :)
Jul 23 10:34:11 <KotCzarny> add proper comments
Jul 23 10:35:06 <KotCzarny> hmm, someone duplicated muarf entry
Jul 23 10:35:26 <KotCzarny> ahm, its for app manager
Jul 23 10:35:32 <bencoh> "slow, but better than nothing" is it that slow ?
Jul 23 10:35:46 <KotCzarny> bencoh: you've said it i think
Jul 23 10:35:57 <bencoh> I said it was slow ?
Jul 23 10:36:09 <KotCzarny> i mioght be wrong, my memory is flunky sometimes
Jul 23 10:36:16 <bencoh> it's hosted behind FTTH at 100mbps
Jul 23 10:36:35 <KotCzarny> no limiting?
Jul 23 10:36:54 <bencoh> that should be way more than any n900 could ever need :p
Jul 23 10:37:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 23 10:37:10 <KotCzarny> some people use wget -r etc
Jul 23 10:37:13 <bencoh> no rate-limit no
Jul 23 10:37:24 <KotCzarny> i can remove that comment
Jul 23 10:37:58 <ceene> i'm editing it right now to add my repos
Jul 23 10:38:03 <ceene> so i can remove that comment myself
Jul 23 10:38:05 <bencoh> I don't really mind it, but I was just wondering whether someone experienced some issue
Jul 23 10:38:28 <KotCzarny> ceene, just remove comment about being slow
Jul 23 10:38:33 <KotCzarny> leave the rest
Jul 23 10:38:38 <ceene> ok
Jul 23 10:38:48 <KotCzarny> unless muarf gets the 'official' status
Jul 23 10:39:34 <bencoh> it wont :)
Jul 23 10:39:42 <ceene> http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#fremantle_repos_.28copy.26paste_sources.list.29
Jul 23 10:39:44 <ceene> there :)
Jul 23 10:42:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 23 10:43:09 <ceene> it's hosted on the university
Jul 23 10:43:17 <ceene> i don't know which connection we have here
Jul 23 10:43:25 <ceene> but i'm sure it's fast enough
Jul 23 10:46:00 <KotCzarny> i wouldnt mind if you guys added n8x0 repos too, at least for diablo
Jul 23 10:46:44 <bencoh> unfortunately I never mirrored it
Jul 23 10:47:06 <ceene> it was http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/?
Jul 23 10:47:13 <ceene> i didn't mirror it neither :(
Jul 23 10:47:48 <bencoh> wonder if there is some mirror out there
Jul 23 10:48:09 <bencoh> maybe someone has an offline copy
Jul 23 10:48:35 <ceene> if it appears i wouldn't mind hosting it too
Jul 23 10:49:01 <bencoh> same
Jul 23 10:51:58 <KotCzarny> i have a mirror of chinook and part of diablo
Jul 23 10:52:15 <KotCzarny> mirrored it when before diablo came out
Jul 23 10:53:06 <ceene> if you want to upload it i can set something up
Jul 23 11:07:40 <KotCzarny> will get around it later
Jul 23 11:08:13 <KotCzarny> luckily its mostly unneeded stuff
Jul 23 11:08:31 <KotCzarny> but having firmware images handy is ncie
Jul 23 11:08:33 <KotCzarny> *nice
Jul 23 12:52:14 <shaggycat> Hi all
Jul 23 12:52:29 <shaggycat> I have a problem: Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel.
Jul 23 12:52:35 <shaggycat> 77.246.99.70
Jul 23 12:53:33 <shaggycat> Also I try to use tor for read forum, and also can't :(
Jul 23 12:53:45 <shaggycat> Please delist my office IP address
Jul 23 12:55:29 <bencoh> xes: ^
Jul 23 12:56:07 <warfare> I could do something about it but I don't have the right ssh keys on my work machine. 
Jul 23 13:15:16 <sixwheeledbeast> that IP has been used for brute force attacks in the past according to search engines
Jul 23 13:15:29 <KotCzarny> bad office, bad!
Jul 23 13:17:36 <L29Ah> good tmo, good!
Jul 23 13:25:44 <KotCzarny> yeah, google says this ip has some bad people behind
Jul 23 13:33:33 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jul 23 13:33:54 <KotCzarny> how come i see powertop reporting 1150mhz while i have max set to 500?
Jul 23 13:34:36 <ShadowJK> powertop doesn't work with kernel power
Jul 23 13:35:35 <bencoh> hmmm ... which part of doesnt work ?
Jul 23 13:36:34 <ShadowJK> frequencies
Jul 23 13:41:31 <KotCzarny> could be just cosmetic, because time_in_state shows ok
Jul 23 13:41:42 <KotCzarny> though otoh it doesnt enter 125mhz, hmm
Jul 23 14:00:06 <KotCzarny> hmm, anyone got a clue why non mafw apps get interrupted on events like window change, blank/unblank etc? omp seems to be unaffected, anything else (panucci, oscp, mplayer) does
Jul 23 14:04:11 <KotCzarny> bah, even gstreamer
Jul 23 14:13:40 <ShadowJK> 125MHz is broken, iirc.
Jul 23 14:14:00 <KotCzarny> for now it's as broken as 'not using it at all by cpufreq'
Jul 23 14:15:04 <ShadowJK> 125 MHz has nevee been used by N900
Jul 23 14:15:35 <KotCzarny> i remember some people saying that they've used it. were they misinformed?
Jul 23 14:15:53 <ShadowJK> They might've tried to use it, yeah
Jul 23 14:16:03 <ShadowJK> I remember it said it's unstable
Jul 23 14:17:18 <KotCzarny> for me it's just not entering it at all, even with setting scaling_min_freq ok. was it some patch in kernelpower?
Jul 23 14:18:20 <ShadowJK> could be. freemangordon might know
Jul 23 14:24:00 <bencoh> KotCzarny: changing window doesnt stop/pause gst-launch here, but I can see a glitch
Jul 23 14:24:18 <bencoh> I think it does something with the video surface
Jul 23 14:24:42 <KotCzarny> bencoh, i don't mean 'stop', but 'click'
Jul 23 14:25:19 <bencoh> then I've experienced that as well under some conditions, yeah
Jul 23 14:25:39 <bencoh> (and I still think it's related to the way surfaces are handled)
Jul 23 14:25:39 <KotCzarny> funny thing is that system media player is unaffected
Jul 23 14:25:56 <bencoh> hmm, iirc system media player pauses when switching window
Jul 23 14:26:03 <KotCzarny> try omp
Jul 23 14:26:15 <bencoh> oh, omp
Jul 23 14:26:49 <bencoh> what about cutetube ?
Jul 23 14:27:01 <KotCzarny> didnt try as i dont use it
Jul 23 14:45:44 <KotCzarny> bencoh, it somehow boils down to find out what tricks mafw uses 
Jul 23 16:19:03 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: renice?
Jul 23 16:20:03 <L29Ah> i suggest cute gui animations are niced so a user won't scream that n900 is slow in blogs scaring nokia customers away
Jul 23 16:20:58 <bencoh> what do you want to renice ?
Jul 23 16:21:24 <KotCzarny> l29ah: nope
Jul 23 16:21:33 <KotCzarny> it's something at system level, maybe pulseaudio
Jul 23 16:21:41 <KotCzarny> renicing doesnt do a thing
Jul 23 16:21:47 <KotCzarny> and its not cpu starvage
Jul 23 16:21:58 <KotCzarny> as i can do some cpu intensive ops without glitches
Jul 23 16:22:14 <L29Ah> rtprio?
Jul 23 16:22:22 <KotCzarny> just do the test and run mplayer
Jul 23 16:22:34 <KotCzarny> then just blank/unblank screen
Jul 23 16:22:40 <KotCzarny> or switch windows
Jul 23 16:23:30 <bencoh> KotCzarny: I dont think it's pulseaudio but a change in the video sink (probably the underlying surface) and audio/video sync is responsible for the audio "click"
Jul 23 16:24:01 <KotCzarny> no, its just as if audio thread was blocked for some time
Jul 23 16:24:11 <KotCzarny> sometime short, sometimes a bit longer
Jul 23 16:24:21 <KotCzarny> but never happens for mafw (omp)
Jul 23 16:39:51 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: I use 125Mhz with no noticeable issues
Jul 23 16:40:33 <L29Ah> so?
Jul 23 16:40:44 <sixwheeledbeast> 125Mhz-600Mhz SR
Jul 23 16:40:51 <KotCzarny> swb: problem is i can set 125 as min, but kernel doesnt go there
Jul 23 16:41:18 <sixwheeledbeast> avoid_frequencies setting in kp
Jul 23 16:41:26 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jul 23 16:41:34 <KotCzarny> where to find it in /sys/ ?
Jul 23 16:41:38 <sixwheeledbeast> 125000 is set as avoid you have to remove this
Jul 23 16:41:50 <sixwheeledbeast> I find it
Jul 23 16:41:54 <sixwheeledbeast> momplz
Jul 23 16:42:59 <KotCzarny>  /sys/./devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/avoid_frequencies
Jul 23 16:43:07 <sixwheeledbeast> yep
Jul 23 16:43:16 <KotCzarny> so, i just echo "" into the file
Jul 23 16:43:21 <sixwheeledbeast> echo > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/avoid_frequencies
Jul 23 16:43:41 <KotCzarny> we shall see
Jul 23 16:44:27 <sixwheeledbeast> also I use with echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/ignore_nice_load
Jul 23 16:44:50 <KotCzarny> that mean everything >0 ?
Jul 23 16:44:54 <KotCzarny> or >=0 
Jul 23 16:45:52 <sixwheeledbeast> blank, so removes content
Jul 23 16:46:31 <KotCzarny> i mean, when set to 1, which priorities are ignored
Jul 23 16:46:41 <sixwheeledbeast> oh
Jul 23 16:48:03 <sixwheeledbeast> not sure I remember it being a "thing" for running 125 sucessfully.
Jul 23 16:48:19 <KotCzarny> uhum
Jul 23 16:51:49 <bencoh> KotCzarny: it is "blocked" because it needs to be kept in sync with video
Jul 23 16:52:05 <bencoh> afaiu
Jul 23 16:52:19 <bencoh> I havent really investigated much into this
Jul 23 16:52:34 <KotCzarny> bencoh, but omp somehow manages it
Jul 23 16:54:39 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: " ignore_nice_load > When set to 0, all processes are counted towards the cpu utilization value.  When set to 1, the processes that are run with a 'nice' value will not count "
Jul 23 16:54:58 <KotCzarny> so >0
Jul 23 16:55:10 <KotCzarny> because by default you get prio0
Jul 23 17:46:18 <KotCzarny> bencoh: still, solving that mafw audio trick is more important to me
Jul 23 18:47:38 <vectis>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER vectis fufpaedpytki
Jul 23 18:50:30 <kerio> good job
Jul 23 18:51:14 <vectis> :D
Jul 23 18:52:57 <KotCzarny> :>
Jul 23 21:06:59 <trumee> ~ping
Jul 23 21:07:00 <infobot> ~pong
Jul 23 22:47:11 <Ponchale> some senior developer connected?
Jul 23 22:48:12 <Ponchale> hi
Jul 23 22:51:44 <L29Ah> https://pp.vk.me/c625218/v625218627/14756/zu3fSwfwkKc.jpg
Jul 23 22:51:50 <sixwheeledbeast> Ponchale:  try #maemo-ssu
Jul 23 22:57:34 <KotCzarny> lol, what's a senior developer?
Jul 23 22:57:41 <KotCzarny> and where is he/she connected to?
Jul 23 23:17:24 <trumee> ~ping
Jul 23 23:17:45 <trumee> ~ping
Jul 24 00:15:45 <DocScrutinizer05> KotCzarny: use zzztop instead powertop
Jul 24 00:17:07 <DocScrutinizer05> 125MHz is reported to be unstable
Jul 24 00:18:01 <DocScrutinizer05> btw SR also is said to be unstable, and it's unclear if those TI&Nokia guys were really too incompetent to fix the efuse SR settings
Jul 24 02:31:38 <lopx> trying to install android simulator. Nitroid?
Jul 24 02:31:54 <lopx> all went well but couldn't boot, I need kernel I think.
Jul 24 02:32:08 <lopx> the link is dead to its download ;_:
Jul 24 02:33:53 <lopx> anyone know? I need android badly
Jul 24 02:37:18 <lopx> I have nokia900. Anyone? Please...
Jul 24 02:47:33 <lopx> great help ###maemo :D
Jul 24 02:48:31 <DocScrutinizer05> cmd: Fr 24. Jul 04:48:31 CEST 2015
Jul 24 02:48:46 <pentanol> never use this on n900
Jul 24 02:50:37 <lopx> pentanol: can you explain?
Jul 24 02:51:53 <Luke-Jr> any other potential N900 replacements besides Neo900 and Pyra?
Jul 24 02:52:04 <Luke-Jr> disappointed the Pyra will lack cameras :x
Jul 24 02:54:34 <lopx> maemo is dead and it's frustrating as fuck ugh...
Jul 24 02:54:54 <lopx> tricks on emulating android apps?
Jul 24 02:55:04 <lopx> what if I go debian?
Jul 24 02:55:54 <Luke-Jr> lopx: Pyra community is apparently planning to have Android in VM(s)
Jul 24 02:56:22 <lopx> Luke-Jr: good news
Jul 24 02:56:51 <Luke-Jr> but only 2 GB RAM, so not sure it will be practical :x
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