**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 27 02:59:58 2015 Jul 27 03:27:56 hi all, can someone suggest me player for midi on n900? Jul 27 03:29:41 um... wildmidi Jul 27 03:41:24 How do I install packages not listed in application manager? I'm trying to install 0xFFFF, some dependencies are missing. Jul 27 03:56:25 ~repos Jul 27 03:56:26 well, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ Jul 27 04:08:33 now if only there were one with signed debs Jul 27 04:08:51 ? Jul 27 04:09:48 signed by whom? Jul 27 04:11:32 By DocScrutinizer05 of course. Jul 27 04:11:39 Who else would we trust? Jul 27 04:11:41 by anything Jul 27 04:12:22 if all packages are signed at least the chances of someone mitming them is greatly reduced, which is probably the only viable threat there is Jul 27 04:12:29 well, I'd think they are *all* signed by Nokia Jul 27 04:12:46 afaik all of the repos but the maemo.org ones are dead Jul 27 04:13:05 *sigh* Jul 27 04:15:16 could you please repeat what's your problem? Jul 27 04:18:23 I ponted you to repos, they have e.g. http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/Packages.gz which in turn has md5sum for each package. the file Packages.gz itself *is* signed by Nokia with a key that expired years ago Jul 27 04:18:37 aiui Jul 27 04:20:15 so neither "all of the repos are dead" nor "if only there were one with signed debs" really makes any sense to me Jul 27 04:22:54 http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/Release http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/Release.gpg Jul 27 04:24:06 maybe I'm too tired and completely mistaken, but it seems to me there hardly could be any better signature than that Jul 27 04:35:19 btw I think iEYEABECAAYFAk is rather funny, reading it like i EYE ABECA AY FAk Jul 27 05:15:19 DocScrutinizer05: oic Jul 27 07:23:52 pentanol: oscp can play midis Jul 27 07:41:56 KotCzarny maybe I will try this Jul 27 08:01:54 actually the only real solution to this (non-)"issue" would be to have the packages resigned by one of the maemo keys, but ... :) Jul 27 08:02:23 the real problem is there is no security on n900 Jul 27 08:03:00 I noticed Jul 27 08:03:05 much like everything, really Jul 27 08:03:30 but ecosystem for n900 is so small no hackers really bothered with it Jul 27 08:03:43 i mean crackers Jul 27 08:04:37 you mean "bad guys" :) Jul 27 08:04:45 yeah, crackers Jul 27 08:04:55 but yeah, there is no "security" indeed Jul 27 08:06:32 KotCzarny, I am not so sure. There were instances of all mirrors except the non-SSL ones being down, or something. Jul 27 08:07:07 The Haskell package system is currently not secured very well. Jul 27 08:07:14 One could make the argument nobody would care, Jul 27 08:07:31 except for the fact haskell finds use on supercomputers that someone may want access to. Jul 27 08:17:46 "except the non-SSL ones being down" ? Jul 27 08:22:27 i'm a big proponent of https everywhere Jul 27 08:22:35 but it's not really needed for debian repos Jul 27 08:23:15 for https you need valid cert Jul 27 08:24:12 which is free Jul 27 08:24:16 and thus not a real issue Jul 27 08:26:29 is startssl included in the cert bundle ? Jul 27 08:26:32 (on maemo) Jul 27 08:27:49 i think it is Jul 27 08:28:53 it is Jul 27 08:29:09 junethack.net verified by StartCom ltd. Jul 27 14:47:19 ((there is no "security" indeed)) it's called QA testers, maemo-testing, promotion Jul 27 14:48:20 there's a reason why you're not supposed to have extras-devel enabled unless you're capable and willing to evaluate security by your own Jul 27 14:49:04 DocScrutinizer05: regarding soldering on the N900 USB (& N9) ..with flux, solder braid, and thin soldering tip ... one should manage if they are careful? Jul 27 14:49:05 actually, if you create 10 fake accounts you can put malicious app in extras, right? Jul 27 14:49:08 admittedly that QA testers concept never *really* worked that great Jul 27 14:49:20 yeah KotCzarny :p Jul 27 14:50:22 Sicelo: soldering the electric contacts is virtually impossible even with very thin tip, unless you remove some of the dang "roof" that covers the contacts/pins Jul 27 14:50:50 yes, i intended to remove that Jul 27 14:51:47 solder paste and hot air should work Jul 27 14:52:36 i can't get hold of someone with hot air station, and it's a bit over my budget to buy one (just for this one job). Jul 27 14:52:49 it comes in handy that there are no other heat sensitive (unshielded) components nearby (except camery) Jul 27 14:52:52 camera* Jul 27 14:53:02 camera is detachable Jul 27 14:53:08 yes Jul 27 14:53:25 the cellphone shops around here just use soldering irons, and i trust myself better than them .. have seen some of their work :( Jul 27 14:53:29 or you simply wrap and shield it with a piece of alu foil Jul 27 14:53:48 alu foil. ;) will use that Jul 27 14:54:03 Sicelo: one trick is: use thin wires, maybe 1 inch long or shorter Jul 27 14:54:48 removing camera module is feasible but actually risky Jul 27 14:54:53 wires? where? Jul 27 14:55:04 between USB receptacle and PCB Jul 27 14:55:14 5mm ideally Jul 27 14:55:16 i won't remove camera .. tried it, and looks very difficult without the proper tool Jul 27 14:55:22 yep Jul 27 14:55:27 hmm, that's an idea :) Jul 27 14:55:42 wires? Jul 27 14:56:15 yep, short 0.1mm dia varnish-isolated wires Jul 27 14:56:19 but, when i place the connector back on the board, i wonder if the heat won't melt the insulation (and i won't know) Jul 27 14:57:16 i'll try this whole job on a dead Xpressmusic Nokia, before I work on my 2 N900 and a friend's N9 Jul 27 14:57:18 use regular varnish-isolated wire, not heat-sensitive one used for wirewrap (so called soldering wire) Jul 27 14:57:32 weekend job though Jul 27 14:58:03 ok, will look for that wire tomorrow at the electronics shop (which are rather scarce and poorly stocked here) Jul 27 14:58:07 do NOT use wire with plastic (PVC) isolation Jul 27 14:58:33 rather revamp an old transformer or sth like that Jul 27 14:58:57 I dont get it, what's the purpose of the wires here? Jul 27 14:59:19 to extend soldering points a 5mm away from USB receptacle Jul 27 14:59:41 the USB receptacle's pins are basically "under" the component Jul 27 15:00:08 so you can solder them when receptacle is not in place on PCB Jul 27 15:00:18 SMD? Jul 27 15:00:32 then you can move USB a 5mm out of place and solder the wires to the PCB pads Jul 27 15:00:38 SMT* Jul 27 15:00:41 yes Jul 27 15:01:25 then you move the USB into place, bending the 4mm wires, and fix it by soldering down the mech fixing posts Jul 27 15:01:33 I see Jul 27 15:01:52 cant you do it with solder paste and an iron? Jul 27 15:02:14 no, you can't heat the pins with soldering iron Jul 27 15:02:45 unless you cut away parts of the "roof" that covers the pins Jul 27 15:02:51 sounds like a pain Jul 27 15:02:56 it is Jul 27 15:02:58 it is Jul 27 15:03:29 though, actually cutting the roof is not as bad as it may sound Jul 27 15:04:08 depending on your particular build of USB component Jul 27 15:04:13 i definitely will cut it .. it doesn't really serve a major purpose as far as i could tell Jul 27 15:04:27 yep, it's basically useless Jul 27 15:04:52 nfc why it's there Jul 27 15:05:32 it holds down the plastic piece haha, but who in their right mind will be pushing too hard into the receptacle anyway Jul 27 15:05:36 except of course when it holds the inner plastic of receptacle Jul 27 15:06:14 the type i bought has two additional holding things ... so i'm reasonably safe Jul 27 15:06:22 in that case a drip of cyanoacrylate will do wonders Jul 27 15:06:57 make sure the glue doesn't cover the contacts inside jack Jul 27 15:07:45 then solder down the complete sides of the USB to PCB, to reinforce Jul 27 15:08:51 you want a 60W soldering iron (class) for that, and a not-too-pinpointed tip Jul 27 15:09:39 for soldering the pins you want a 15W class and quite thin tip Jul 27 15:10:43 i'.. be able to get those easily :) thanks for the advice Jul 27 16:33:35 ~me had to do ~flatbattrecover today at about lunchtime, I think it maybe time for ~polarcell Jul 27 16:33:35 moi? Jul 27 16:33:53 * sixwheeledbeast facepalm Jul 27 16:36:01 ~me Jul 27 16:36:06 ~meh Jul 27 16:36:07 meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase Jul 27 16:38:45 infobot: :D Jul 27 16:38:45 d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. Jul 27 16:38:57 >_< :D Jul 27 16:43:46 can somebody apply ##fix_your_connection to mavhk? Jul 27 16:47:26 DocScrutinizer05 see ^^^ Jul 27 16:51:40 Pali: dorry? Jul 27 16:52:22 ooh, join/part trouble? (I got "hide join/part/nick") Jul 27 16:52:24 see above connection spam from mavhk^^^ Jul 27 16:52:28 yes Jul 27 16:52:42 please c&p one relecvant line Jul 27 16:52:54 see log: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html Jul 27 16:53:11 sorry, this has no IPs Jul 27 16:53:30 [18:51:03] --> mavhk (mavhc@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) has joined #maemo Jul 27 16:53:30 [18:51:03] <-- mavhk (mavhc@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jul 27 16:53:33 ta Jul 27 16:53:41 again Jul 27 16:55:37 you forgot to add ##fix_your_connection Jul 27 16:56:41 I actually dunno how to do that Jul 27 16:57:22 maybe /mode +b $x:mavhk*$##fix_your_connection Jul 27 16:57:49 know what? Jul 27 16:58:05 ;-) Jul 27 16:59:26 so I will try what happen :-) Jul 27 17:00:00 you should remove the first one I think Jul 27 17:00:16 what's the $x: ? Jul 27 17:10:45 bencoh: I also need to lookup on http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml each time Jul 27 17:11:14 :) Jul 27 17:11:18 >>This type takes a string parameter that is matched against a client's full nick!username@host#gecos. If a match is found, the user is banned.<< Jul 27 17:11:49 bencoh: like grep -x Jul 27 17:16:27 anyway $x:mavhk*$##fix_your_connection doesn't look right Jul 27 17:23:34 I dunno about the second $ in there, the rest looks like matching to a gecos field containing #fix_your_connection Jul 27 17:25:43 aaaah! Channel forwards in bans Jul 27 17:26:57 forwards don't need $x: though, afaik Jul 27 17:49:39 does gTranslate still work for someone? As it stopped here, out of the sudden, google sends an answer wanting me to solve a CAPTCHA :D Jul 27 17:50:43 translate.google.com? works here (haven't tried on maemo though) Jul 27 17:51:23 bencoh: there is maemo client, called gTranslate Jul 27 17:52:57 oh Jul 27 17:54:41 libespeak Oo Jul 27 17:55:56 yeah, there is "Say" button :) Jul 27 17:57:02 "Please enter valid text!" Jul 27 17:57:41 that doesnt look too cool Jul 27 17:58:41 start it from the terminal Jul 27 17:58:45 /opt/ Jul 27 17:59:25 /opt/gTranslate/bin/gTranslate Jul 27 17:59:41 yeah, dpkg -L ftw ;) Jul 27 17:59:58 okay, CAPTCHA Jul 27 18:00:04 toldya Jul 27 18:00:33 that's sad Jul 27 18:01:00 I solved it by using microb, no change, seems it needs cookies :( Jul 27 18:03:30 changing the user-agent maybe (haven't check) Jul 27 18:03:39 checked* Jul 27 18:03:57 yeah, trying it Jul 27 18:06:06 shit, qemu was recently updated, PC needs a reboot :(. bbl Jul 27 18:06:23 what ? Jul 27 19:22:39 :) Jul 27 19:30:48 (( /opt/gTranslate/bin/gTranslate)) when will devels ever learn to symlink to their binary from somewhere inside $PATH, like /usr/bin or somesuch? Jul 27 19:31:58 dang windows 'devels' Jul 27 19:37:06 when to symlink and when to change $PATH? Jul 27 19:37:10 dang unix kludgeware Jul 27 19:37:35 always symlink Jul 27 19:37:43 unless you compile for normal os Jul 27 19:37:51 when just place binaries in /usr/bin Jul 27 19:37:51 :P Jul 27 19:38:09 *then Jul 27 19:39:38 :) Jul 27 19:58:43 L29Ah: you don't change $PATH to add a single silly app Jul 27 19:59:51 its his system, he can do what he wants! Jul 27 19:59:53 ;) Jul 27 20:02:06 i have special entries for perl and gcc in $PATH Jul 27 20:02:08 single silly apps Jul 27 20:02:42 don't have an access to a non-gentoo machine to see how it goes in other desktop distros Jul 27 20:03:02 they are in /usr/bin Jul 27 20:03:07 on normal distros Jul 27 20:03:47 oh all those dirs are gone in fact Jul 27 20:03:58 seems like i have crappy leftovers to clean Jul 27 20:07:57 yeah, lots of orphan stuff in /etc/env.d Jul 27 21:16:44 Guys, I'm trying to resurrect old good N900 which is in a reboot loop, using this guide http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Wirr/N900_The_Original_Perfect_Setup Jul 27 21:17:00 Unfortunately http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ is down, to download the flasher. Can someone provide me with a working link? Jul 27 21:17:24 And same for the firmware itself Jul 27 21:21:34 Anyone? Jul 27 21:23:10 ~flasher Jul 27 21:23:12 ~0xffff Jul 27 21:23:19 i guess flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Jul 27 21:23:19 i heard 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 Jul 27 21:24:20 What's recommended between the default flasher and 0xffff? Jul 27 21:30:23 Kabouik: 0xffff does not support flashing emmc image (yet) Jul 27 21:30:40 Alrirght, thanks Jul 27 21:30:48 By the way, just found these links too: http://web.archive.org/web/20131117084237/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ Jul 27 21:30:53 http://web.archive.org/web/20131117073524/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ Jul 27 21:31:03 and you should use last version of 0xffff (0.6.1) Jul 27 21:31:22 older versions of 0xffff have problems with flashing Jul 27 21:31:30 I will use the Nokia flasher I think Jul 27 21:32:00 I don't remember anything about flashing the N900. What firmware should I download if I want to start from scratch? Is it the VANILLA or EMMC version? Jul 27 21:32:51 if you have working rootfs do: 1. emmc 2. vanilla Jul 27 21:33:17 I don't know what I hawe working :D The N900 does not start, reboot loop Jul 27 21:33:20 if you do not have working rootfs do: 1. vanilla 2. emmc 3. vanilla Jul 27 21:33:27 And it's like that since years, so I forgot what was the issue Jul 27 21:33:42 errr Jul 27 21:33:42 Ok, so I need to download both anyway. Thanks! Jul 27 21:33:57 there is COMBINED image and EMMC=VANILLA Jul 27 21:34:03 so again: Jul 27 21:34:38 not working rootfs: 1. COMBINED, 2. EMMC, 3. COMBINED Jul 27 21:34:58 working rootfs: 1. EMMC, 2. COMBINED Jul 27 21:35:48 I don't think in my situation there is any disadvantage into doing 1, 2 and 3. So even if my rootfs is perhaps working, it seems optimal to me Jul 27 21:36:28 yes, this should cleanup format and program everything Jul 27 21:36:42 Good, thanks Jul 27 21:36:52 I can go to PR 1.3 directly, or shall I use 1.2 first? Jul 27 21:37:12 PR1.3 Jul 27 21:37:16 Thanks Pali Jul 27 21:37:23 or PR1.3.1 better Jul 27 21:37:34 ~pr1.3.1 Jul 27 21:37:35 well, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Jul 27 21:38:25 Kabouik: PR1.3.1 is the last version Jul 27 21:38:43 from year 2011 Jul 27 21:39:34 Ah, I missed infobot's message! Jul 27 21:59:07 It seems I can't flash because "Suitable USB device not found, waiting.", and my N900 keeps rebooting Jul 27 22:05:17 Nothing works :( Jul 27 22:17:31 you're using the failsafe/foolproof method outlined there? do you have enough battery power? Jul 27 22:18:39 try another cable or rear ports on pc Jul 27 22:18:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 Fixed it using that! Jul 27 22:19:03 Flasher currently working Jul 27 22:19:25 glad you got it solved :) Jul 27 22:19:30 :] Jul 27 22:19:51 * Sicelo hasn't flashed in over 4 years .. so no longer good at it Jul 27 22:20:18 Approximately the same for me! Jul 27 22:21:29 ;) Jul 27 23:11:51 It seems I can't install nano Jul 27 23:12:00 I have enabled extras-devel and extras-testing Jul 27 23:12:11 But nano requires libncursew5, which is not installable Jul 27 23:14:27 vi ftw Jul 27 23:14:33 ~repos Jul 27 23:14:33 methinks repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ Jul 27 23:19:08 This is the replacing repo for Maemo (base)? Jul 27 23:19:49 Kabouik: Jul 27 23:19:54 ~flashing Jul 27 23:19:54 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Jul 27 23:20:24 It's flashed already DocScrutinizer05 Jul 27 23:20:33 fine :-) Jul 27 23:21:35 a hint: "the ideal setup" (or whatever the name) is a rather biased and non-official thing driven by users (mostly) during their first encounter with maemo Jul 27 23:22:04 I'm not sure how to add these repos from infobot into the App manager, I don't know what they correspond to and I'm a bit dumb when it comes to this sort of things... I'd need name/url/distrib/user :p Jul 27 23:22:29 to me "the ideal setup" starts on a bare PR1.3.2+VANILLA replash, with CSSU-stable on top Jul 27 23:22:43 sorry, 1.3.1 Jul 27 23:23:06 Yes that's what I thought, but I need a working N900 by Wednesday, possibly with a rather good selection of packages, and doing it myself would be very long because I remember it took me ages to get a full customized N900 back in the old days. I just hope the wiki here is up to date Jul 27 23:23:12 And I'll further customize over time Jul 27 23:23:53 well, customization is highly individual Jul 27 23:23:58 maybe helps: Jul 27 23:24:02 ~jrtools Jul 27 23:24:02 jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 27 23:25:13 I didn't update this stuff since ages, and I didn't add many "ordinary apps" there either Jul 27 23:25:24 Crap, I forgot to resize /home. I thought about it, but it was not in the wiki so I figured "Well, maybe everything is optified with CSSU-thumb and it's not necessary anymore' Jul 27 23:25:51 actually nowadays everything *aought* to be optified Jul 27 23:27:12 I got quite a lot of "crap" installed on "rootfs" (aka /home opt-symlink) and I'm still not short on space on /opt, despite not resizing Jul 27 23:27:23 Alright Jul 27 23:27:37 Shall I skip my current "optimal" Wiki and switch to your jrtools? Jul 27 23:28:11 I had my share of "optimal setup" reading. Never found it particularly useful Jul 27 23:28:58 it's assuming a lot, and also quite a number of factually incorrect stuff in it, last I looked Jul 27 23:29:21 Ok, I'll use your wiki instead then Jul 27 23:29:23 But first Jul 27 23:29:37 Wasn't there a wiki somewhere with all the repos that could be added just by clicking on links? Jul 27 23:29:56 All repos seem to have changed, and cssu-thumb uses different repos I guess, so I'm a bit lost Jul 27 23:30:10 And adding them from links would be easier and lest prone to errors than typing them with the hwkb Jul 27 23:30:45 * DocScrutinizer05 glares furiously at the bold title "The OPTIMAL setup" Jul 27 23:31:16 ~repos Jul 27 23:31:16 i guess repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ Jul 27 23:31:22 ~maemo-repos Jul 27 23:31:22 well, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Jul 27 23:31:50 I don't understand anything at this: Jul 27 23:31:51 i guess repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ Jul 27 23:31:53 DocScrutinizer05: are you anywhere near Wacken? Jul 27 23:31:54 Why are there two urls? Jul 27 23:32:17 I'd be willing to update my on-click-URL on jrtools when somebody *with expoerience* provides the officially recommended new repo list Jul 27 23:32:31 freemangordon: Wacken? nope Jul 27 23:33:02 Kabouik: one is base, the other updates Jul 27 23:33:16 they replace the dead Nokia repos Jul 27 23:33:43 DocScrutinizer05: I am going there, in a couple of hours, was hoping it is near your location so we can have a beer or so :) Jul 27 23:33:48 freemangordon: will you join cccamp15? Jul 27 23:34:27 DocScrutinizer05: I guess no Jul 27 23:34:28 And shall I add "fremantle free non-free" after the urls in App-manager too? Plus Distrib: "fremantle", and User:" free non-free"? Jul 27 23:35:25 freemangordon: https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Nuremberg/Wacken/@51.7382519,10.7907225,7z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m2!1m1!1s0x479f57aeb5b61cd3:0xdd5daf85a98c21b7!1m2!1m1!1s0x47b3ea7e0a920bb1:0x4248963c6586900!3e0?hl=en-DE Jul 27 23:35:59 yeah, no way Jul 27 23:36:21 Kabouik: I don't know for sure about how to add in app manager. some is "distribution" iirc Jul 27 23:36:42 Another way to add them then? I'm currently sshing the N900 (but don't have nano) Jul 27 23:37:03 funny how none of us use app manager for that kind of things :D Jul 27 23:37:26 Kabouik: just compare to stock nokia repos and how they are set up. muarf is just a mirror with different URL Jul 27 23:38:12 And what should I do with "./" and "./;;"? Jul 27 23:38:32 where once been downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ you now make that http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ Jul 27 23:39:23 the rest stays the same afaik Jul 27 23:39:31 yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Jul 27 23:39:38 wow, sorry. Jul 27 23:39:42 freaking bug :D Jul 27 23:39:57 huh? Jul 27 23:40:27 DocScrutinizer05: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/ticket/443 (keyboard bug on macox/X11) Jul 27 23:40:34 lol Jul 27 23:40:41 afk Jul 27 23:41:11 anyway, yeah, the rest stays the same. just make sure you're not using https unless you added CACert to your rootca bundle Jul 27 23:42:52 I surely haven't done anything like that :D Jul 27 23:54:17 Shall I install backupmenu before or after cssu? Jul 28 00:39:08 Kabouik: irrelevant, but recommedned is before. You'll need the muarf repos for installation to succeed Jul 28 00:39:14 afaik Jul 28 00:39:44 Alright Jul 28 00:39:58 But I'm stuck at trying to install cssu-thumb Jul 28 00:40:17 It says that libqtm-bearer (and probably other libqtm-xxx too) are conflicting Jul 28 00:41:06 yeah, well. cssu-thumb is very special and for sure not recommended for somebody to initially set up a working basic system Jul 28 00:42:55 Perhaps I have problems with repos though Jul 28 00:43:11 muarf mirrors say that keys have expired if I try apt-get upgrade Jul 28 00:43:16 And skeyron just fails Jul 28 00:43:44 Not sure what I should do to make them work Jul 28 00:57:42 "keys expired" is a warning (ignore it, it been same with original Nokia repos), apt-get upgrade is an absolute NoGo, and skeiron repos are not needed Jul 28 01:00:42 "keys expired" is a warning (ignore it, it been same with original Nokia repos), apt-get upgrade is an absolute NoGo, and skeiron repos are not needed Jul 28 01:01:09 *sigh* Jul 28 01:01:30 ooh, still there Jul 28 01:02:01 thought you left again, juist the moment I repeated the above Jul 28 01:03:31 maemo is _not_ really a standard debia. Packaging is massively different, and thus `apt-get upgrade` is destructive Jul 28 01:04:50 apt-get upgrade *might* be recommended when you have a very specifically and precisely defined particular set of repos enabled Jul 28 01:05:12 and particularly DISabled Jul 28 01:05:49 an apt-get upgrade with e.g. axtras-devel enabled will most likely fsck up your system in very subtle ways Jul 28 01:08:29 generally maemo upgrades by installing a new version of mp-*-pr package Jul 28 01:09:03 everything else is just dependencies of that master metapackage Jul 28 01:09:34 other dependencies are basically non-supported in core maemo Jul 28 01:11:34 the whole cssu-installer magic is just to replace the nokia mp by mp-fremantle-community-pr and same time add the cssu repo to list of repositories Jul 28 01:14:08 prolly somebody eventually should write a comprehensive exhaustive "howto reflash and keep alive maemo fremantle - and cssu" Jul 28 01:14:49 I did a tiny initial part by Jul 28 01:14:55 ~flashing Jul 28 01:14:55 maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Jul 28 01:15:18 I'm sorry DocScrutinizer05, my Internet is very unstable tonight Jul 28 01:15:59 btw there's version2 of flash-it-all.sh now, which allows to flash COMBINED only (without touching VANILLA) Jul 28 01:16:45 Unfortunately I'm afraid I just did an apt-get upgrade like 15 min ago :/ Jul 28 01:16:47 For a reason: Jul 28 01:17:19 I launched CSSU-thumb from application after I installed it (so that it does its work), and it failed during the process because my Internet failed again Jul 28 01:17:34 And then, when I wanted to launch it again, it said "CSSU already installed" or something like that Jul 28 01:17:43 well Jul 28 01:17:47 And it wouldn't update anything, despite the previous failure Jul 28 01:17:48 :-/ Jul 28 01:18:00 So I did an upgrade and everything seemed to go well, but now I'm concerned :/ Jul 28 01:20:49 maybe you should start anew, get http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, reflash all, fix the nokia repos (muarf), install backupmenu, do a snapshot backup of your freshly installed and basically personalized system, then install cssu-stable (not thumb) Jul 28 01:21:25 I thought thumb was stable now, and more efficient Jul 28 01:21:54 protip: move your fiasco images you already got into the dir where you unpacked http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz before you start flash-it-all.sh Jul 28 01:22:08 Do you really think this small upgrade (before I installed anything but rootsh and cssu-thumb) has actually messed my system up? Jul 28 01:22:36 The url to your tgz doesn't work by the way Jul 28 01:22:53 thumb is immanently less "stable" than "normal" maemo, since it fails epically with standard kernels Jul 28 01:23:20 I won't use my N900 with standard kernels anyway, I really can't bear the sluggyness without OC Jul 28 01:24:00 dang, try http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tar.gz Jul 28 01:24:12 Better Jul 28 01:24:37 I'll save the url for later, I have linux on my laptop at work but not here (well, I have the laptop here, but it's off) Jul 28 01:25:24 there's no sluggyness without OC. OC is extremely overrated. Sluggishness is caused by short-of-RAM and swap Jul 28 01:26:08 But yet I remember I had a beecon with like 4 OC speeds, including a normal one, and I did notice huge improvements with OC Jul 28 01:26:35 are there any post-2.6.28 kernels that fully support Maemo? (eg, not mainline) Jul 28 01:26:37 How is it possible then? (I really trust you, you're the one who probably know the N900 the best, but I'm trying to understand if the OC did something else beneficial) Jul 28 01:26:39 wich in turn often is caused by installation of a lot of useless poorly designed apps and desktop widgets Jul 28 01:27:56 Now I'm concerned, I don't know if this small and single apt-get upgrade (again, with just rootsh and cssu-thumb installed) has messed up things and if I actually should start from scratch again :| Jul 28 01:28:23 many of which are installed by user to fight sluggishness and then causing exactly the opposite Jul 28 01:29:18 It's true that N900 freshly reflashed is rather smooth, but well, I have nothing installed at the moment Jul 28 01:29:30 when you had installed and enabled any of the maemo-extras repos then most likely the upgrade had negative effects, yes Jul 28 01:29:47 when you had enabled extras-devel then for sure Jul 28 01:30:02 Crap :| Jul 28 01:30:46 Setting this repos takes ages everytime I reflash, fff. Jul 28 01:32:31 you might be interested in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs Jul 28 01:32:53 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt Jul 28 01:34:30 Could you elaborate which catalogs it enables? I should make a .sh of that, chmod +x it, and then execute it from N900? Jul 28 01:36:51 it saves and restores your current catalog aka repo list Jul 28 01:37:05 faster than you could do that via HAM GUI Jul 28 01:37:12 manually Jul 28 01:37:28 Oh! Jul 28 01:37:40 you however first need to save a list under a name like "all" or "foo" before you can restore it Jul 28 01:38:24 So it's like "/etc/enable-catalogs foo", and it saves it, and then to restore them on a freshly reflashed device? Jul 28 01:38:35 IroN900:~# enable-catalogs save all Jul 28 01:38:37 Ok, got it Jul 28 01:39:34 Thanks a lot, will be very useful Jul 28 01:39:57 enable-catalogs save foo; #mess-with-catalogs-to-your-liking; enable-catalogs save messedup; enable-catalogs foo #initial foo restored, messedup safed away Jul 28 01:40:57 Cool Jul 28 01:41:29 And the only catalogs I need after a reflash are muarf (Nokia and Nokia updates), nothing else? CSSU will add catalogs it needs by itself? Jul 28 01:41:31 http://privatepaste.com/d619db872c Jul 28 01:41:49 err basically yes Jul 28 01:42:00 you also might want maemo-extras Jul 28 01:42:24 There's a muarf mirror too? I guess the original maemo-extras is dead too Jul 28 01:42:40 maemo-extras is alive and kicking Jul 28 01:42:44 ! Jul 28 01:43:40 Ok, and well, two last questions: If I reflash with maemo-flasher (Windows) instead of your script, do I lose any particular feature? It'll decide if I reflash tomorrow at work or tonight here Jul 28 01:44:05 don't forget apt-get update after switching catalogs list with enable-catalogs ! Jul 28 01:44:45 And last question: you really see no advantage into cssu-thumb instead of cssu-stable? Do people actually have issues with thumbs? I feel that I might ultimately install kernelpower at some point anyway, but that probably is only one of many differences Jul 28 01:44:51 flashing with windows is equivalent to flashing under linux Jul 28 01:45:08 Yes but your script might have some DocScrutinizer05's special recipe :P Jul 28 01:45:21 my script just simplifies finding the fiasco images and doing flashing the right way Jul 28 01:45:56