**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 08 02:59:58 2015 Aug 08 03:15:24 Does anyone have SFLPhone working on the N900? There is sflphone-common and sflphone-client-gnome in extras-devel but their versions don't match, so they don't install. Aug 08 03:16:12 AFAICT, it is the only SRTP/ZRTP capable softphone currently ported on the N900. Aug 08 03:46:09 ~flashing Aug 08 03:46:09 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Aug 08 03:59:38 ~combined Aug 08 03:59:38 [combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Aug 08 06:47:10 recharged: set up usb networking and then access resuceos via telnet, then you can have several terminals Aug 08 06:52:46 nin101: is screen binary included? Aug 08 06:53:13 properly configured it can act as a window manager Aug 08 06:54:46 no, it's not included atm. Aug 08 06:55:05 I'm surprised so many bother to do things directly on the N900 keyboard, it's inconvenient :-). Aug 08 06:55:25 nin101, needs a hint in motd? Aug 08 06:55:33 it's not obvious ;) Aug 08 06:57:54 also, hint idea: 'reinit-emmc.sh Aug 08 06:57:54 hmm, maybe. but people should read the readme, and there it's mentioned. Aug 08 06:57:54 KotCzarny: to restore parittion table etc.? Aug 08 06:57:54 nin101, i did read, yet i forgot, that's why motd is a fine place for it Aug 08 06:58:08 nin101: that's another thing, i thought about fsck/mkdosfs (with cluster size ask)/reinit file structure (tar -x of defaults?) Aug 08 06:58:54 and maybe emmc size changer, maybe Aug 08 06:59:29 but the last one is very optional Aug 08 06:59:38 ok, I'll add it to the todo. Aug 08 06:59:40 nin101: how do I do that? sorry Aug 08 07:00:14 recharged: check if ifconfig usb0 on pc prints out anything Aug 08 07:00:31 (when connected to rescueos) Aug 08 07:02:12 /rescueOS/usbnetworking-enable.sh is the script, then check for usb0 on your PC. Aug 08 07:02:40 nin101: does usbnetworking work with charging script? Aug 08 07:02:55 should Aug 08 07:03:03 why not enable it by default then? Aug 08 07:03:21 "Use it only with the wallcharger, Aug 08 07:03:21 as it pulls 950 mA, and USB is not designed for that Aug 08 07:03:21 (some ports can do it though, don't try if in doubt.)" Aug 08 07:03:37 so yeah actually it could be a problem :-). Aug 08 07:03:46 and print in motd: you can now (on pc) modprobe g_ether; ifconfig usb0 something; telnet something Aug 08 07:04:13 i mean, enable usb networking by default Aug 08 07:04:29 preconfigured and announced in motd how to connect from pc Aug 08 07:05:09 it will have bonus points for fixing n900s with broken screens ;) Aug 08 07:05:13 i'm getting some issues when trying to boot rescueos, want me to copy it to pastebin? Aug 08 07:05:21 (if there are such things) Aug 08 07:05:24 KotCzarny: ok, I'll add it to the todo Aug 08 07:05:40 recharged: ok Aug 08 07:06:30 http://pastebin.com/wVqH2bYF Aug 08 07:07:02 ummm Aug 08 07:07:21 0xffff can boot without flashing too? Aug 08 07:07:51 yes Aug 08 07:15:17 I have never tried it with 0xffff, people just told me it works Aug 08 07:15:36 it did for me yesterday and this morning Aug 08 07:15:45 and now it didn't Aug 08 07:15:50 although my phone may be dead Aug 08 07:17:07 recharged: define dead, what exactly did you do Aug 08 07:18:41 well, I let it sit in my car earlier while it was doing fsck and I was at work. it was connected to cable to charge because I knew it would die, it was at 40% and nowhere close to finishing. Aug 08 07:18:44 there is no such thing as dead n900 Aug 08 07:18:54 lol Aug 08 07:19:10 I thought that maybe after it died while attempting to fsck it would start charging and it would be charged after work Aug 08 07:19:23 but it probably didn't Aug 08 07:20:22 maybe battery is flat Aug 08 07:20:45 do you nave anything where you can charge it externally? Aug 08 07:21:09 yes Aug 08 07:21:15 i'm charging it now Aug 08 07:26:05 you can buy some cheap bl-5j replacement, just for torturing n900 while you fix it Aug 08 07:26:36 which you won't be sorry to cycle so much Aug 08 07:27:05 they are usually good enough in first few tens/hundreds of cycles Aug 08 07:27:45 yeah, i got one of them Aug 08 07:27:53 i can't remember if that one died or my original Aug 08 07:28:04 but it died really quickly Aug 08 07:28:13 could be original Aug 08 07:28:20 probably Aug 08 07:28:34 is there such a thing as a good nokia battery? Aug 08 07:29:11 properly stored, even few years old ones should be good enough Aug 08 07:29:22 eh Aug 08 07:29:36 do they make new bl-5j batteries? Aug 08 07:29:58 they were used in nokia first ashas Aug 08 07:31:56 nokia asha 302 (released march 2012) Aug 08 07:32:12 yup, plenty of them online Aug 08 07:32:31 totalizator, i think he asked about nokia brand new ones Aug 08 07:32:39 are they still produced? Aug 08 07:33:01 define "new" Aug 08 07:33:19 new as in 'out of factory in 2014/2015' Aug 08 07:34:49 yeah Aug 08 07:35:00 nokia lumia 530 (released august 2014) Aug 08 07:35:11 it also uses bl-5j Aug 08 07:35:52 the new nokia's bl-5j has 1430mAh Aug 08 07:36:48 and the n900 one is? Aug 08 07:37:01 12x0 something Aug 08 07:37:10 erm. 1320 Aug 08 07:37:16 oh, neat Aug 08 07:37:58 then maybe I will finally reflash my N900 (never done it) and buy new battery Aug 08 07:38:10 totalizator, one word, polarcell Aug 08 07:38:19 ~polarcell Aug 08 07:38:19 i guess polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement Aug 08 07:38:36 noted that, thx Aug 08 07:40:11 reflashing my n900 after all these years feels almost like killing it Q__Q Aug 08 07:40:17 :> Aug 08 07:40:17 I don't want to Aug 08 07:40:20 one word: Aug 08 07:40:22 ~backupmenu Aug 08 07:40:23 backupmenu is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Aug 08 07:41:50 yeah, I'm obsessed with creating disk images of all kinds aaand I never use them later :3 Aug 08 07:42:03 i think backupmenu uses tar Aug 08 07:43:02 I will try it, thx Aug 08 10:51:05 KotCzarny: can you remind me what is avg power consumption of n800? Aug 08 10:51:13 hmm Aug 08 10:51:22 never checked n800 i think Aug 08 10:51:31 but should work ~7-10 days in idle Aug 08 10:51:42 and few hours under load with screen and wifi on Aug 08 10:51:48 I would like to know if it's pore eco than raspi and others Aug 08 10:51:57 more eco* Aug 08 10:53:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38652 Aug 08 10:53:19 I have decomissioned my HP terminal from my home network ;) and I want take n800 a replacement - finally, after all these years Aug 08 10:53:34 he he Aug 08 10:54:03 complete with home audio server? Aug 08 10:54:50 permament on-charger will kill battery i think though Aug 08 10:56:07 I don't care :3 I had it connected via usb-power cable for ~1 year (irc monitor) and it works just fine Aug 08 10:56:15 cool Aug 08 10:57:32 if I could create www control panel for oscp then it would be perfect audio server replacement (for my needs) Aug 08 10:57:42 you can Aug 08 10:57:46 it's trivial Aug 08 10:58:31 and i think there is undocumented feature that writing command to a file in /tmp will make it read and execute it Aug 08 10:58:49 but if you know a little python or php you can easily write your own cgi-script Aug 08 10:59:20 oh, that's cool, I'll try Aug 08 10:59:24 and if you really want i may built simple www interface directly Aug 08 10:59:55 and pleeeease - try to create PKGBUILD and put oscp in Archlinux AUR Aug 08 11:00:29 KotCzarny: that would force me to buy you a large beer finally :3 Aug 08 11:01:20 i rhink file is named /tmp/oscp.slave Aug 08 11:02:09 code path could be disabled temporarily though Aug 08 11:03:51 anyway, controlling oscp is as simple as opening socket at port 44322 (default), writing something there, closing socket Aug 08 11:04:06 fancy, little solution; thanks for the forum link Aug 08 11:05:55 btw. oscp also can be controlled via lirc (ie. infrared remote on usb) Aug 08 11:06:23 OR radio remote on usb Aug 08 11:06:48 radio remote has a bonus points for working from different rooms without direct line to receiver Aug 08 11:07:14 i use cheapest on i've found on allegro Aug 08 11:10:08 similar to this one: http://allegro.pl/promocja-nowy-pilot-pc-9725-czujnik-usb-fv-gw-i5591983400.html Aug 08 11:10:33 it reports 2mA max power usage Aug 08 11:11:01 never tried it on n800 though, just pc Aug 08 11:13:46 neat! Aug 08 11:14:52 I have bought dvbt stick (for my home IP TV) without a remote and this solves the problem haha Aug 08 11:14:54 yeah, if you have display visible and readable you can even navigate the same way as from keyboard Aug 08 11:15:18 mapped buttons for quickdirs too etc Aug 08 11:15:52 i never thought it's so cheap Aug 08 11:16:33 i bet you can get it even cheaper from china/hk Aug 08 11:17:20 Hey hi, i have just got an used n900. To update it to CSSU, is the previous method okay or do i need tomake some changes to repos. ?? And , it is PR1.3 and no update for 1.3.1 is being notfied. :/ Aug 08 11:17:34 ~cssu Aug 08 11:17:34 somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Aug 08 11:18:36 i guess you can use one-click installs at the top Aug 08 11:18:55 but read the whole page first Aug 08 11:18:57 KotCzarny: Yep I know that. *Nokia Repos enabled* its writeen there. Are they working ?? Aug 08 11:19:06 ~maemo-repos Aug 08 11:19:06 i guess maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Aug 08 11:19:11 see there for replacements Aug 08 11:19:21 KotCzarny: Thanks :) Aug 08 11:19:40 KotCzarny: Was not getting any noptification for 1.3.1 Aug 08 11:20:24 don't worry, 1.3.1 is included in CSSU as well Aug 08 11:20:27 but remember to use application manager, apt won't do you good there Aug 08 11:20:33 actually CSSU prought it to maemo Aug 08 11:20:36 iirc Aug 08 11:20:44 brought* Aug 08 13:55:09 KotCzarny: just a thought but could oscp run as media server for ps3? I once fiddled with media servers, but couldn't get them to work for some reason. Aug 08 13:55:16 hmm Aug 08 13:55:24 media server in which way? Aug 08 13:55:26 dlna/ Aug 08 13:55:51 i think ps3 asks for certain type of media server Aug 08 13:56:33 it wants files or streams (encoded/decoded/raw) ? Aug 08 13:57:33 i can't answer correctly right now, but if you wish you can google which type it needs or I can try to find out later. Aug 08 13:58:00 mind you, i never owned any ps Aug 08 13:58:46 so it would be like widening your conciousness :D Aug 08 13:58:55 more like poking in the dark Aug 08 13:58:56 ;) Aug 08 13:59:00 haha Aug 08 13:59:30 but to be honest thought just crossed my mind and i babled it out before i forgot :) Aug 08 14:00:22 define your need Aug 08 14:00:33 what plays, from where, where is the control ui Aug 08 14:05:59 vajb: http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/about/ Aug 08 14:05:59 n900 is on the device support list Aug 08 14:06:44 though i think n900 and ps3 is the client Aug 08 14:09:23 and yeah, if you want n900 to server media for ps3, you need dlna server that would run on n900 Aug 08 14:20:20 doh Aug 08 14:24:36 actually i was remembering that you said oscp runs on any distro Aug 08 14:25:00 so you want to run oscp on ps3 ? Aug 08 14:25:05 so i was thinking of installing it on my linux box and servering music for ps3 Aug 08 14:25:29 it's debian based crunchbang distro Aug 08 14:25:30 hmm, does ps3 have line-in jack? Aug 08 14:25:40 i think not Aug 08 14:25:54 does your amp have multiple inputs? Aug 08 14:26:24 because you can connect linux box to amp, then ps3 to line-in to linux box Aug 08 14:26:46 s/to li/on li/ Aug 08 14:26:46 KotCzarny meant: because you can connect linux box to amp, then ps3 on line-in to linux box Aug 08 14:26:50 erm Aug 08 14:26:53 fail. Aug 08 14:28:32 ps3 doesnt have line-out Aug 08 14:28:33 o.O Aug 08 14:28:48 do you have digital-in on your linux box? Aug 08 14:30:00 hmm not sure, but they are on different stores anyway Aug 08 14:30:18 so not possible to connect with wire Aug 08 14:30:21 ok, where are the files, pc box, ps3, amp Aug 08 14:30:37 pc Aug 08 14:32:08 so pc would act as server. ps 3 would act as client to select file to play from pc and ps3 and amp are connected already Aug 08 14:32:24 hmm Aug 08 14:33:04 your best bet would be now mounting pc box exports (either via nfs or samba) on ps3, then using any audio player on ps3 Aug 08 14:34:45 unless you have ps3 players and like oscp interface Aug 08 14:35:59 well last time my problem was that when i created server i couldn't find it in ps3 Aug 08 14:36:18 samba or nfs? Aug 08 14:36:40 i think it was that ps3mediaserver thingy you linked Aug 08 14:37:17 maybe it was blocked on firewall Aug 08 14:37:55 hmm but i tried to work in lan Aug 08 14:38:02 another way would be running oscp on pc box with icecast server, then connecting ps3 to this stream Aug 08 14:38:43 i have 4g router Aug 08 14:38:53 so all conections go through that Aug 08 14:38:53 but then there is a question how would you control it, html interface is on the todo in oscp Aug 08 14:39:22 yes then it would be more like my own radiostream Aug 08 14:39:24 so right now it's either telnet/ssh or pygtk on ps3 Aug 08 14:40:07 but, you have n900, right? you can run pygtk-remote on n900 to control oscp-core on pc box which would icecast music to ps3 Aug 08 14:40:10 hehe Aug 08 14:40:34 hah Aug 08 14:40:58 how cool is that? ;) Aug 08 14:50:14 https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/binaries/ Aug 08 14:50:27 grab oscp-pkg-x86-linux.tar.gz Aug 08 14:50:29 quite cool actually, but i need to think this through Aug 08 14:50:49 and if your pc box is old, grab oscp-pkg-x86-i586mmx-linux.tar.gz Aug 08 14:53:21 just unpack to /, shouldn't conflict with anything Aug 08 14:54:03 haven't tried it on x64 os though Aug 08 14:56:47 i have that old athlon tb 1,3ghz Aug 08 14:56:56 then it's not that old Aug 08 14:56:58 so it's solid 32 :) Aug 08 14:57:06 by old i meant anything pre pentium II Aug 08 14:57:08 :) Aug 08 14:57:22 and those hp terminals without sse instructions Aug 08 14:57:39 well old as computer world Aug 08 14:57:52 i still have thinkpad 760l Aug 08 14:57:53 ;) Aug 08 14:58:04 whopping 64M of ram Aug 08 14:58:13 (base was 16 or 8 dont remember) Aug 08 14:58:31 cool Aug 08 14:58:52 8 Aug 08 14:58:55 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:760L Aug 08 14:58:56 i might accept amiga if offered Aug 08 14:59:10 1200 and newer? Aug 08 15:04:27 i've only used 500 and 1000 Aug 08 15:04:36 and only for gaming Aug 08 15:04:53 :) Aug 08 15:05:51 super smooth gaming Aug 08 15:06:11 even now, with powerful rigs, we have jerking, tearing, lowfps Aug 08 15:19:47 maybe has something to do with code optimisation Aug 08 15:20:02 nope Aug 08 15:20:09 it was about chip design Aug 08 15:20:25 like if you think of old demo's made to 1,44... Aug 08 15:20:48 they look awesome and only take such a small space Aug 08 15:21:20 880kB Aug 08 15:21:22 :) Aug 08 15:22:05 i was talking about vsync implementation Aug 08 15:22:44 beats me heh Aug 08 15:22:57 but i have another example Aug 08 15:23:28 back in the days we used to have flash 6. something and it played all videos flawlesly Aug 08 15:23:47 now we have flash don't know what and it can't play shit Aug 08 15:24:14 speaking of my athlon powered desktop Aug 08 15:24:57 actually that is the case with my gf's laptop too Aug 08 15:25:15 if i wanna watch something i better dload it first Aug 08 15:25:54 so first thing coming to my mind is badly optimized code Aug 08 15:26:10 or too bloated code Aug 08 15:27:04 or more demanding media ... today's videos won't play on that Flash 6 pc Aug 08 15:30:31 i remember tryng to play mp3 on a500 Aug 08 15:30:31 ;) Aug 08 15:30:31 buffering, buffering Aug 08 15:34:56 hmm how can media be more demanding? 640x480 would be the same anytime, right? Aug 08 15:35:08 yes, but you have to unpack data Aug 08 15:37:30 that leads me to another question. Is there even less output bringing command for mplayer than -really-quiet? Aug 08 15:37:50 yes Aug 08 15:38:15 you can control all different message types and verbosities Aug 08 15:45:52 fuck of! why tor package in debian repo depends on systemd?? Aug 08 15:46:01 lol Aug 08 15:46:46 KotCzarny: no this is not funny anymore! Aug 08 15:47:01 DocScrutinizer05 see ^^^^ Aug 08 15:47:46 pali, how people in devuan handle it? Aug 08 15:47:53 do not know... Aug 08 15:48:01 check their packages Aug 08 15:48:05 I just saw this stupid dependency.. Aug 08 15:48:57 or slackware Aug 08 15:49:55 but seriously, stupid Aug 08 15:57:24 is there a command for shell script to prevent n900 screen saver while it runs? Aug 08 15:57:51 meaning while script runs screen wont blank Aug 08 15:59:16 run mplayer and pause it? Aug 08 16:03:54 it's script which produces output at certain times over ten minutes Aug 08 16:04:24 so i don't think pausing mplayer would do the trick Aug 08 16:05:00 or maybe it would....lemme see if i have some video Aug 08 16:09:47 nope doesn not Aug 08 16:09:55 does* Aug 08 16:12:48 nor does stock player Aug 08 16:13:11 oh well im off Aug 08 16:44:54 ugh, if anyone wrote anything for me, please repaste Aug 08 16:46:12 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7132 Aug 08 16:46:14 04Bug 7132: audio hiccups in fm radio when sleeping Aug 08 16:46:26 hehe, another iteration of 'glitch on window activity' Aug 08 16:46:59 reported 2009-12, unanswered 2010-05 Aug 08 16:53:06 vajb: https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Unlock_screen_and_keys Aug 08 16:53:30 run this in bash loop with sleep 25 between Aug 08 16:53:58 ie: while [ 1 ]; do dbuscommand; sleep 25; done Aug 08 16:55:51 or look at the source of the brightness applet (status menu) and see if there's some dbus magic for it Aug 08 16:56:24 sicelo, mplayer uses some wm magic i think, but he asked for cmdline solution Aug 08 17:01:02 ok Aug 08 17:01:28 * Sicelo can't sync contacts between the 2 N900 via bluetooth .. time to debug Aug 08 18:02:10 ah, it's a known bug for CSSU :( Aug 08 18:27:35 main N900 has wrong bluetooth device class "Miscellaneous", 0x520000 .. wonder where that comes from Aug 08 18:28:01 KotCzarny: thx! Works like a charm. I was looking from the right place, but with wrong terms. Aug 08 18:29:50 vajb: save it as a script Aug 08 18:35:14 i imped it in my script Aug 08 18:35:58 i thought it's smart idea as my script is about time interwalls anyways Aug 08 18:36:01 Sicelo: with hciconfig it is possible to change bluetooth class Aug 08 18:36:38 trying that right now .. had tried /etc/bluetooth/main.conf .. doesn't seem to make much of a difference Aug 08 18:38:30 contacts sync fine now Aug 08 18:39:37 just wondering how to make this permanent .. not sure why the class in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf isn't being honored Aug 08 19:23:49 Vajb: I think you need a periodic dbus message to keep screenblanker from kicking in Aug 08 19:24:18 or maybe even x msg Aug 08 19:24:32 or lib call Aug 08 19:42:53 DocScrutinizer05: that command get's executed at every minute in my script now and it works fine. Tho I would prefer better solution if there is one Aug 08 19:43:27 every minute as my screen saver time is set to one minute Aug 08 20:09:41 Sicelo: some maemo app change it Aug 08 20:09:50 so any global files are rewritten at runtime.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 09 02:59:59 2015