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Aug 10 11:18:55 <zGrr> moin :)
Aug 10 11:19:01 <KotCzarny> oink
Aug 10 11:19:18 <zGrr> KotCzarny:  cześć
Aug 10 11:19:25 <KotCzarny> zgrr: siemka
Aug 10 11:22:24 <antranigv> games for N900, any suggestions? I wanted to play mortal kombat with pico drive, however the controls are not working maybe? I press start (spacebar) and it's not starting :/
Aug 10 11:22:55 <KotCzarny> emulated ones or native?
Aug 10 11:23:16 <KotCzarny> http://pupnik.de/software.html
Aug 10 11:24:06 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/games/
Aug 10 11:24:31 <antranigv> KotCzarny: no difference, however, I'd like the emulated ones to impress my friends :P
Aug 10 11:24:52 <KotCzarny> http://www.my-maemo.com/software/category.php?name=Games_&_Entertainment&fldAuto=35
Aug 10 11:25:13 <KotCzarny> also, talk.maemo.org should help you (search)
Aug 10 11:26:32 <KotCzarny> but to be honest, n900's power lies in being almost normal linux box
Aug 10 11:28:17 <zGrr> yes
Aug 10 11:28:32 <zGrr> truly open
Aug 10 11:28:39 <antranigv> ah, you have a point, I used to play widelands for hours on my laptop, then I was amazed to play it with the same quality on the N900
Aug 10 11:29:45 <antranigv> still, mortal kombat is not working :(
Aug 10 11:30:24 <KotCzarny> try uae and amiga version?
Aug 10 11:30:25 <zGrr> I was testing wireless speakers. I was suprised to hear that n900 has better audio quality than iPod
Aug 10 11:31:40 <Sicelo> surprised?
Aug 10 11:31:45 <Sicelo> :D
Aug 10 11:37:33 <zGrr> a little bit
Aug 10 11:38:21 <zGrr> after all it is the iPod which was marketed as an audio player.
Aug 10 11:38:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 10 11:38:55 <KotCzarny> wasnt bt codec hacked up by community?
Aug 10 11:41:05 <Sicelo> OOTB
Aug 10 11:41:12 <zGrr> Few weeks ago i bouth bluetooth adapter for headphones from famous Chinese maker called Bluedio.
Aug 10 11:41:27 <zGrr> ... and you know what?
Aug 10 11:41:54 <KotCzarny> it works?
Aug 10 11:42:18 <zGrr> Quality of audio from N900 was better over bluetooth than directly connected via 3.5mm jack. Same headphones of course.
Aug 10 11:42:27 <KotCzarny> hmm
Aug 10 11:42:33 <KotCzarny> thats weird
Aug 10 11:42:39 <KotCzarny> maybe its just louder?
Aug 10 11:42:45 <zGrr> It is, isn't it
Aug 10 11:42:53 <zGrr> No, not lauder.
Aug 10 11:43:01 <zGrr> Just better audio.
Aug 10 11:43:05 <KotCzarny> sometimes people mistake louder signal for better
Aug 10 11:43:27 <zGrr> Maybe that chinese dongle has better D/A converters than Nokia?
Aug 10 11:43:36 <KotCzarny> could be that bt adapter doing dirty tricks with eq
Aug 10 11:43:42 <zGrr> Or better amplifier?
Aug 10 11:43:53 <KotCzarny> dirty tricks with eq i bet
Aug 10 11:44:25 <KotCzarny> or sucky pulseaudio filters
Aug 10 11:45:14 <zGrr> Good idea
Aug 10 11:45:17 <zGrr> pulse suck
Aug 10 11:45:21 <zGrr> s
Aug 10 11:46:21 <KotCzarny> though on headphones pa shouldnt do much to the signal
Aug 10 11:46:27 <KotCzarny> maybe it isnt the case
Aug 10 11:53:10 <zGrr> I hope, Dragonbox pyra would come out before my n900 will break down
Aug 10 11:53:32 <KotCzarny> so, in next 10 years?
Aug 10 11:53:33 <KotCzarny> ;)
Aug 10 11:54:28 <zGrr> i doubt it will be supported for that long.
Aug 10 11:54:55 <KotCzarny> you know it's unsupported since 2011?
Aug 10 11:55:27 <zGrr> nope
Aug 10 11:55:44 <zGrr> there is still community support
Aug 10 11:57:13 <KotCzarny> you know you are community too?
Aug 10 12:03:34 <antranigv> KotCzarny: nice idea, let me try the Amiga version (:
Aug 10 12:04:06 <antranigv> zGrr: yes, I hope it will be out too, I like the design and the idea, I think I will use it more as a computer than a gaming console (:
Aug 10 13:17:44 <zGrr> KotCzarny:  are U there?
Aug 10 13:17:51 <KotCzarny>  kind of
Aug 10 13:17:54 <zGrr> :)
Aug 10 13:18:12 <zGrr> what is web page of your media player project?
Aug 10 13:18:18 <KotCzarny> ~oscp
Aug 10 13:18:20 <KotCzarny> hrm
Aug 10 13:18:34 <zGrr> found that
Aug 10 13:18:35 <KotCzarny> infobot: oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
Aug 10 13:18:35 <infobot> KotCzarny: okay
Aug 10 13:18:36 <zGrr> thx
Aug 10 13:18:38 <KotCzarny> ~oscp
Aug 10 13:18:39 <infobot> oscp is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
Aug 10 13:19:00 <KotCzarny> for x86 go to sourceforge one
Aug 10 13:19:08 <zGrr> do you think, oscp would work on openwrt?
Aug 10 13:19:13 <KotCzarny> hmm
Aug 10 13:19:18 <KotCzarny> you might want to use alsa binary
Aug 10 13:19:23 <KotCzarny> alsa arm
Aug 10 13:19:43 <KotCzarny> http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/tmp/oscp-n900-alsa.gz/download
Aug 10 13:19:45 <KotCzarny> this one
Aug 10 13:20:18 <KotCzarny> if your device is arm and uses armel arch and do you have libao installed it should
Aug 10 13:20:49 <zGrr> i think of having wifi router and wifi radio in one
Aug 10 13:20:54 <zGrr> so
Aug 10 13:21:32 <zGrr> I have configured openwrt on raspberry pi.
Aug 10 13:21:47 <KotCzarny> then try n900-alsa
Aug 10 13:21:52 <zGrr> it is odroid-w actually, but they are binary compatible.
Aug 10 13:21:53 <KotCzarny> could work
Aug 10 13:22:08 <zGrr> it could be possible to add internet radio
Aug 10 13:22:19 <KotCzarny> yes, oscp plays netradios just fine
Aug 10 13:22:21 <zGrr> and have it controlled over http
Aug 10 13:22:30 <KotCzarny> http/mms links
Aug 10 13:22:46 <KotCzarny> as for control, you can just run oscp-remote.py on n900 or pc
Aug 10 13:22:47 <zGrr> or even something else.
Aug 10 13:23:05 <KotCzarny> or just write some controller in www-php/perl
Aug 10 13:23:08 <zGrr> since odroid-w has a small 2" display
Aug 10 13:23:39 <KotCzarny> but first try running the binary and let me knows if it runs
Aug 10 13:23:42 <KotCzarny> *know
Aug 10 13:23:55 <zGrr> ok
Aug 10 13:26:26 <KotCzarny> if it works, i will add another target, because n900 binary does some n900 specific hacks
Aug 10 13:26:39 <KotCzarny> which are mostly harmless
Aug 10 13:28:08 <stryngs> Does anyone know the hottest stable temp for the n900?
Aug 10 13:28:28 <KotCzarny> summer?
Aug 10 13:28:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 10 13:28:41 <stryngs> I'm running at 37c
Aug 10 13:28:46 <KotCzarny> sure be safe
Aug 10 13:28:54 <stryngs> Doing some heavy wifi stuff with it, and curious of the warning range I should worry about
Aug 10 13:29:11 <KotCzarny> downclock to 500-600mHz maybe
Aug 10 13:29:51 <stryngs> Haven't oc'd
Aug 10 13:30:16 <stryngs> Range is currentl 250-600 right now KotCzarny 
Aug 10 13:30:18 <KotCzarny> dont leave it in direct sunlight and it should be safe
Aug 10 13:30:34 <stryngs> Sure, but I'm curious to know if anyone has temp recommendations
Aug 10 13:30:41 <stryngs> i.e. burnout temp, etc..
Aug 10 13:32:41 <KotCzarny> i think battery is more susceptible to temperature than device itself
Aug 10 13:32:53 <stryngs> It's plugged in
Aug 10 13:33:53 <KotCzarny> funnily, cant google operating temp for n900
Aug 10 13:37:20 <stryngs> Yeah, I googled around, but nothing about a proper temp range
Aug 10 13:37:22 <KotCzarny> http://www.ti.com/product/am3359
Aug 10 13:37:47 <KotCzarny> not the exact chip but table is not a bad reference
Aug 10 13:37:55 <KotCzarny> 0 to 90C operating temp
Aug 10 13:38:04 <KotCzarny> and max from -40 to 125
Aug 10 13:38:09 <KotCzarny> for different configs
Aug 10 13:38:37 <KotCzarny> so i guess even at 60-70C cpu will manage, other parts could be harmed earlier
Aug 10 13:38:55 <KotCzarny> like flash, solder etc
Aug 10 13:38:56 <bencoh> stryngs: what are you trying to do ith the poor thing ?
Aug 10 13:39:05 <KotCzarny> bencoh: it's hot there
Aug 10 13:39:10 <stryngs> I'm running a modified injection script
Aug 10 13:39:13 <KotCzarny> 30-36C in the shadow
Aug 10 13:39:24 <bencoh> KotCzarny: we had that here as well ;)
Aug 10 13:39:24 <stryngs> Using dot11decrypt, I'm connected via wifi, but enable to inject as well
Aug 10 13:39:28 <stryngs> So
Aug 10 13:39:30 <stryngs> For instance
Aug 10 13:39:31 <stryngs> ...
Aug 10 13:39:39 <stryngs> I can decrypt 802.11G WPA2 on the fly
Aug 10 13:39:50 <stryngs> Using mon0 as a virtual NIC
Aug 10 13:39:55 <stryngs> enabling wlan0 to be connected
Aug 10 13:39:59 <stryngs> and injection/sniffing on mon0
Aug 10 13:40:07 <stryngs> dot11decrypt as the bridge to tap0
Aug 10 13:40:16 <stryngs> Monitor ALL traffic via tap0
Aug 10 13:40:21 <stryngs> inject on mon0
Aug 10 13:40:27 <stryngs> i.e.
Aug 10 13:40:30 <stryngs> js/malware/etc..
Aug 10 13:40:33 <stryngs> Whatever u want
Aug 10 13:40:40 <stryngs> specfically airpwn-ng
Aug 10 13:40:43 <stryngs> Very sexy
Aug 10 13:40:47 <stryngs> And all done with an n900
Aug 10 13:41:08 <stryngs> I  cannot wait till neo900 is available
Aug 10 13:42:03 <stryngs> I've been runing for about 40 mins now, with my bridge setup, and she holds stdy at 37C, so this is good.
Aug 10 13:42:22 <KotCzarny> if you are worried just force airflow with some fan
Aug 10 13:42:37 <stryngs> Well, this is to be used in the field KotCzarny 
Aug 10 13:42:43 <stryngs> Not necessarily "ideal" conditions
Aug 10 13:42:49 <KotCzarny> field fan?
Aug 10 13:42:54 <KotCzarny> bring the accu
Aug 10 13:42:55 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 10 13:42:59 <stryngs> Figured I can install a monitoring script to watch for a certain temp alert
Aug 10 13:43:02 <stryngs> then init 0
Aug 10 13:43:07 <stryngs> save it from dying
Aug 10 13:43:07 <stryngs> etc..
Aug 10 13:43:11 <KotCzarny> um
Aug 10 13:43:24 <KotCzarny> just kill the cpu eater
Aug 10 13:43:28 <KotCzarny> should be enough
Aug 10 13:43:31 <KotCzarny> no need to init 0
Aug 10 13:43:44 <stryngs> yeah, true
Aug 10 13:44:05 <stryngs> Just figure init 0 is guarenteed way to shutdown =)
Aug 10 13:44:21 <KotCzarny> umm
Aug 10 13:44:51 <KotCzarny> dont remember which one is shutdown and which is poweroff
Aug 10 13:46:36 <stryngs> init 0 is poweroff
Aug 10 13:46:44 <stryngs> shutdown just halts unless throwing a p flag
Aug 10 13:46:50 <stryngs> either same, same result
Aug 10 13:47:48 <stryngs> It's not a multiuser system, so "who cares"
Aug 10 13:48:14 <KotCzarny> you care
Aug 10 13:48:21 <KotCzarny> if it sucks your battery dry
Aug 10 13:48:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 10 13:50:36 <stryngs> True
Aug 10 13:50:47 <stryngs> So long as I'm not murdering the board, I dont care about the battery per se
Aug 10 13:50:48 <stryngs> Ouch
Aug 10 13:50:49 <stryngs> 39 c
Aug 10 13:50:51 <stryngs> hmm
Aug 10 13:51:05 <KotCzarny> it should be fine i think
Aug 10 14:19:36 <bencoh> most probably yeah
Aug 10 14:19:55 <bencoh> but I dont really see any reason to do that with your n900
Aug 10 14:20:06 <KotCzarny> wardriving?
Aug 10 14:20:14 <KotCzarny> hacking in the field?
Aug 10 14:20:30 <bencoh> no I mean, doing it for, like ... hours
Aug 10 14:23:35 <stryngs> pentesting bencoh 
Aug 10 14:23:45 <stryngs> The n900 is a drop and go device for us
Aug 10 14:24:16 <stryngs> i.e.: https://media.blackhat.com/bh-us-11/Arsenal/BH_US_11_Awk_pwnphonemanual_WP.pdf
Aug 10 16:38:44 <Luke-Jr> oh nice http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/blog/2013-04-18-kdepim-without-akonadi.html
Aug 10 16:40:48 <Pali> Luke-Jr: are you also looking for working email client?
Aug 10 16:41:06 <Luke-Jr> Pali: address book particularly - I have been using KMail from KDE 4.4 fine for years :P
Aug 10 16:41:31 <Luke-Jr> although I wonder if you fixed the crash when I try to move messages too fast on IMAP..
Aug 10 16:41:48 <Pali> old kde addressbook without akonadi is in that my git repo
Aug 10 16:42:03 <Pali> I'm not getting any kmail crash now
Aug 10 16:42:06 <Luke-Jr> yes, I missed it greatly
Aug 10 16:42:30 <Luke-Jr> I'm looking forward to seeing if KOrganiser is also working ;)
Aug 10 16:42:40 <Pali> seems yes
Aug 10 16:42:45 <Pali> but also this my kmail starts to be slow...
Aug 10 16:42:55 <Pali> with 120000 emails per forlder
Aug 10 16:42:58 <Luke-Jr> sadly, while Gentoo has added your version to portage, it doesn't appear to extract correctly.. guess I'll figure out why
Aug 10 16:43:16 <Luke-Jr> yes, that's why I dislike crashing it much XD
Aug 10 16:43:43 <Pali> what does not not extract correctly?
Aug 10 16:44:27 <Luke-Jr> looks like it's trying to use .tar.bz2, but the file is .tar.xz
Aug 10 16:44:48 <Pali> ah... restore
Aug 10 16:44:58 <Luke-Jr> ?
Aug 10 16:44:59 <Pali> do not trust kmail backup & restore function
Aug 10 16:45:11 <Pali> better to backup directly kmail folders
Aug 10 16:45:32 <Luke-Jr> I just use normal IMAP
Aug 10 16:45:36 <Luke-Jr> and backup on the server
Aug 10 16:45:42 <Pali> thats better
Aug 10 16:46:17 <Luke-Jr> ..into a git repo..
Aug 10 16:47:51 <Luke-Jr> https://gitlab.com/gitbackup/gitbackup/tree/master ;)
Aug 10 16:52:22 <Luke-Jr> Pali: looks like I should just update my package metadata - your kdepim is stable on Gentoo now :D
Aug 10 16:54:20 <Luke-Jr> Pali: btw, do you know offhand if KMail will work okay on N900? :p
Aug 10 17:02:10 <Pali> no idea about kmail on n900...
Aug 10 17:05:43 <stryngs> Pali, you going to be around for a little bit?
Aug 10 17:05:55 <Pali> where around?
Aug 10 17:06:01 <stryngs> on irc
Aug 10 17:06:04 <Pali> yep
Aug 10 17:06:07 <stryngs> K
Aug 10 17:06:09 <stryngs> Awesome =)
Aug 10 17:10:15 <stryngs> Pali: Meet Jack64
Aug 10 17:10:22 <Jack64> o/ hey there
Aug 10 17:10:31 <stryngs> So Jack64 just got an n900, and he's having some issues with kp53 and injection
Aug 10 17:10:38 <stryngs> we're using the script as provided
Aug 10 17:10:48 <stryngs> ./packet-injection.sh load
Aug 10 17:11:03 <stryngs> Jack64 Ill let u describe from here
Aug 10 17:11:10 <Jack64> k thanks =)
Aug 10 17:11:10 <stryngs> Pali is "the" n900 guru for this
Aug 10 17:13:04 <Jack64> well I just wanted to use the WiFi NIC on monitor mode AND join a network at the same time. I ran ./packet-injection.sh load but now when I go to the WiFi network list I get "No connection available"
Aug 10 17:13:49 <stryngs> And Pali, using his same scenario, I can join a network, however he cannot.
Aug 10 17:14:38 <stryngs> So to clarify, I can be in managed mode for wlan0, connected to a network.  On my virtual nic, mon0, which i created via: iw dev wlan0 interface add mon0 type monitor, I can do injection just fine, so long as it's the assigned channel to wlan0
Aug 10 17:14:55 <stryngs> The question remains as to why Jack64 cannot join a network, but I can.
Aug 10 17:14:59 <Pali> enable packet injection drivers
Aug 10 17:15:02 <Pali> and reboot device
Aug 10 17:15:11 <Pali> load/unload are just temporary options
Aug 10 17:15:14 <stryngs> right
Aug 10 17:15:17 <Pali> use that permanent
Aug 10 17:15:49 <Jack64> ok going for it
Aug 10 17:17:39 <Jack64> so the settings changed by packet-injection.sh will survive a reboot?
Aug 10 17:19:20 <Jack64> still no network available on the list
Aug 10 17:23:45 <Jack64> just in case you're wondering:
Aug 10 17:23:45 <Jack64> ii  status-area-wlan-driver-selector-applet             0.2.2-3                          Wlan Driver Selector Applet lets you easily select your wlan driver and shut 
Aug 10 17:38:35 <Pali> Jack64: make sure wlancond is running
Aug 10 17:38:54 <Pali> and also check output from iwlist scan
Aug 10 17:39:24 <Jack64> I just went through some debugging, turns out I CAN connect to my phone's hotspot, just not my home wifi network
Aug 10 17:41:40 <stryngs> Pali: fyi, this is a bug I noticed back with kp46.  There are some APs, you can't connect to.  But modprobing of drivers, I've long since forgotten the name or location of, would enable u to connect to them.  I never filed a bug report, because I figured it was a kp-46 issue.
Aug 10 17:43:25 <Pali> Jack64: maybe regulation limitation
Aug 10 17:43:47 <Jack64> for Portugal? don't think so ?
Aug 10 17:43:58 <Jack64> I never had that trouble before
Aug 10 17:44:07 <Pali> so check output from iwlist scan
Aug 10 17:44:18 <Jack64> it outputs as my laptop does
Aug 10 17:44:22 <stryngs> It happened in America for me too thought Pali
Aug 10 17:44:29 <stryngs> i doubt iw reg set would fix
Aug 10 17:44:32 <stryngs> perhaps though
Aug 10 17:44:40 <Pali> and what is reason for not connecting?
Aug 10 17:44:43 <Pali> error message?
Aug 10 17:44:57 <Pali> or network is not visible in selection list?
Aug 10 17:44:58 <stryngs> Yeah, it just doesn't connect, but on the same instance, with other APs it'll connect
Aug 10 17:45:06 <stryngs> For me it was network not visibler
Aug 10 17:45:07 <stryngs> For me it was network not visible
Aug 10 17:45:16 <Jack64> I get that one
Aug 10 17:45:17 <stryngs> Jack has a same, but different issue now that I think about it
Aug 10 17:45:22 <Jack64> network not visible
Aug 10 17:45:25 <stryngs> Oh
Aug 10 17:45:28 <stryngs> So we do have same issue
Aug 10 17:45:34 <Jack64> wait
Aug 10 17:45:37 <Pali> and in iwlist it is visible?
Aug 10 17:45:46 <Jack64> yes
Aug 10 17:45:50 <Jack64> but when I can see it
Aug 10 17:45:57 <Jack64> It gives me a different error
Aug 10 17:46:02 <Pali> and other networks in selection dialog are visible?
Aug 10 17:46:08 <Jack64> which is just a "cannot connect to network. try again?"
Aug 10 17:46:18 <Pali> look into syslog
Aug 10 17:46:21 <Jack64> yes, I just connected to my phone's hotspot
Aug 10 17:46:24 <Pali> there must be some error message
Aug 10 17:47:08 <Jack64> erm ok nvm, for some reason it just worked
Aug 10 17:47:23 <Jack64> I just managed to connect to the home wifi + monitor mode is up and running =)
Aug 10 17:48:25 <Jack64> maybe it was from connecting to the phone's hotspot, or iw list scan, not sure, but something made it work now
Aug 10 17:48:43 <stryngs> Pali: Any idea why the network wouldn't be visible?  As well, any idea as to why he would get that error message of "cannot connect to network. try again?"
Aug 10 17:48:52 <stryngs> This issue plagued me back in the kp-46 days
Aug 10 17:49:04 <Pali> no idea
Aug 10 17:49:14 <Pali> try to restart wlancond
Aug 10 17:49:41 <stryngs> Interesting.
Aug 10 17:51:33 <stryngs> Pali, where is syslog ?
Aug 10 17:51:41 <stryngs> /var/log/ shows 2 files and thats it
Aug 10 17:51:43 <Pali> /var/log/syslog
Aug 10 17:52:40 <stryngs> hmm
Aug 10 17:52:41 <stryngs> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/syslog
Aug 10 17:52:43 <stryngs> I see
Aug 10 19:57:12 <Luke-Jr> Pali: fwiw, moving messages too fast does indeed still kill KMail in your branch
Aug 10 19:57:24 <Luke-Jr> no big deal, just means I need to continue my habitual avoiding it
Aug 10 19:57:49 <Pali> Luke-Jr: can you look at backtrace?
Aug 10 19:57:54 <Pali> maybe thre is something...
Aug 10 19:58:11 <Pali> I fixed some crases which was just null pointer dereference
Aug 10 19:58:16 <Pali> like this=0x0
Aug 10 19:58:25 <Luke-Jr> I looked at it some months ago and got lost.. I guess if you want to investigate though, I can reproduce it with gdb attached (I'm surprised it didn't pop up a crash handler..)
Aug 10 19:58:55 <Pali> ok, send me full gdb backtrace
Aug 10 19:59:03 <Pali> maybe there will be something easy to fix
Aug 10 20:03:03 <Luke-Jr> Pali: http://0bin.net/paste/jj-DgBww37H2Hrw-#klIjaqfI5XmwtP4Tbtx2dk2qt3IyR+9fp8l0YeXgIC3
Aug 10 20:03:25 <Pali> ok
Aug 10 20:04:06 <Luke-Jr> anything else to dump while I have it in gdb?
Aug 10 20:04:58 <Pali> bt full
Aug 10 20:05:23 <Pali> but looks like this is some null pointer dereference
Aug 10 20:06:05 <Luke-Jr> http://0bin.net/paste/fr1esxy-RlXaawgO#iCJGvnQ4o1fwaXlu1nFkg+cJg0FW8DyKgoyXdQYLeDZ
Aug 10 20:06:35 <kerio> Pali: literally just *NULL?
Aug 10 20:06:57 <Pali> kerio: NULL->function()
Aug 10 20:07:02 <kerio> oh
Aug 10 20:07:06 <kerio> well that's just a mistake surely
Aug 10 20:07:31 <Pali> some dereferenced iterator
Aug 10 20:07:38 <Pali> and then called on it some method
Aug 10 20:10:12 * Luke-Jr stabs optimisations
Aug 10 20:10:34 <Pali> Luke-Jr: yes recompile without optimizations
Aug 10 20:10:54 <Pali> looks like job is NULL
Aug 10 20:11:00 <Pali> but does not have to be
Aug 10 20:17:01 <Pali> Luke-Jr: try to run it under valgrind
Aug 10 20:17:26 <Pali> this can be also some memory corruption of virtual table of that job object
Aug 10 20:17:53 <Pali> gdb does not help much with such problems...
Aug 10 20:24:28 <Luke-Jr> sadly, I'm having trouble even reproducing it now
Aug 10 20:24:36 <Luke-Jr> which is odd, since it seemed so predictable before
Aug 10 20:27:55 <Luke-Jr> Pali: valgrind would be a lot of effort for me, since I'm not using a platform it supports :/
Aug 10 20:28:20 <bencoh> err, which platform is that ?
Aug 10 20:28:27 <Luke-Jr> bencoh: Haswell in 32-bit mode
Aug 10 20:28:53 <Luke-Jr> Valgrind stopped adding support for new x86-32 opcodes a long time ago
Aug 10 20:29:05 <Luke-Jr> so I'd need to recompile all my libs for some older arch
Aug 10 20:29:41 <bencoh> oh, didnt know that
Aug 10 20:30:10 <Pali> really no 32 opcodes for haswell??
Aug 10 20:30:28 <Luke-Jr> really :/
Aug 10 20:30:28 <Pali> thats sad
Aug 10 20:30:35 <Luke-Jr> had I known this, I wouldn't have gone back to 32-bit I think
Aug 10 20:31:28 <Pali> but it is just avx2, no?
Aug 10 20:31:46 <bencoh> avx2 exist in 32b mode ?
Aug 10 20:32:09 <Pali> do not know... which opcodes are new in haswell 32b?
Aug 10 20:32:18 <Luke-Jr> it's not just Haswell's…
Aug 10 20:32:26 <bencoh> no idea
Aug 10 20:33:24 <Pali> looks like avx2 works also in 32bit mode
Aug 10 20:33:33 <Luke-Jr> yes
Aug 10 20:33:35 <Luke-Jr> just not in valgrind
Aug 10 20:36:08 <Luke-Jr> SSE4 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346023
Aug 10 20:36:09 <povbot> 04Bug 346023: was not found.
Aug 10 20:36:31 <Luke-Jr> AVX https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334665
Aug 10 20:36:32 <povbot> 04Bug 334665: was not found.
Aug 10 20:36:43 <Luke-Jr> SSE4 or newer, it looks like
Aug 10 20:39:04 <bencoh> sse4 ? *sigh*
Aug 10 22:02:06 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Aug 10 22:02:06 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: aw, gee
Aug 10 22:17:57 <Luke-Jr> looks like Pali's KMail at least built on N900 okay
Aug 10 22:26:20 <Luke-Jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/hardfp-thumb/gcc48/kde-base/ if anyone wants to try the bins out
Aug 10 22:26:27 <Luke-Jr> no idea if they will work with Maemo libs
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