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Aug 17 10:12:23 <zGrr> moin :)
Aug 17 13:02:22 <Vajb> possibly cheap n900 for sale in uk. Ebay, current bid 16£. Description says it asks for lock code which user doesn't have. Hmm might be stolen aswell...
Aug 17 13:02:33 <KotCzarny> yeah
Aug 17 13:02:37 <KotCzarny> papers/box?
Aug 17 13:02:47 <Vajb> just phone
Aug 17 13:02:51 <KotCzarny> stolen.
Aug 17 13:03:30 <Vajb> probably, so if anyone lost their phone there. It's free hint
Aug 17 13:03:51 <KotCzarny> luckily n900 doesnt pose much value to thiefs
Aug 17 13:04:27 <Vajb> yeah. Just spotted one for sale here also. Asking price is 45€
Aug 17 13:04:36 <KotCzarny> a tad high
Aug 17 13:05:18 <Vajb> if it's for sale when i get back from vacation i'll offer half ;)
Aug 17 13:05:25 <KotCzarny> hehe
Aug 17 13:07:56 <KotCzarny> hmm, local auction site sells n900 for ~100 eur
Aug 17 13:08:04 <KotCzarny> they claim it's 'new' though
Aug 17 13:08:40 <kerio> boxed cellophaned for 100€ is not bad i think
Aug 17 13:10:07 <KotCzarny> cheapest n900 on ebay is ~100usd
Aug 17 13:10:30 <KotCzarny> price went up since i've last checked few months ago, weird
Aug 17 13:10:47 <Wizzup> can still find them for 40eur here in netherlands
Aug 17 13:10:58 <KotCzarny> new or used?
Aug 17 13:11:20 <Wizzup> used
Aug 17 13:11:23 <Wizzup> usually not used that much, though
Aug 17 13:11:28 <KotCzarny> hehe, n93i for 200usd 'vintage, collectible'
Aug 17 13:12:15 <KotCzarny> n-gage for ~70usd
Aug 17 13:13:59 <KotCzarny> hmm, local ads site sells one for ~50eur
Aug 17 13:14:06 <KotCzarny> maybe i should grab it
Aug 17 13:16:14 <Vajb> i think i buy all i can find, if price is reasonable to condition
Aug 17 13:16:30 <KotCzarny> i need one for hacking my own os
Aug 17 13:16:42 <KotCzarny> but my n900 is my main phone
Aug 17 13:19:07 <Vajb> same here. I have one spare, but haven't got enough time to tinger with it
Aug 17 13:42:41 <stryngs> 09:16 < KotCzarny> but my n900 is my main phone
Aug 17 13:42:44 <stryngs> Thats insane KotCzarny 
Aug 17 13:42:49 <stryngs> I find the n900 to suck as a phone.
Aug 17 13:42:55 <stryngs> I like it more as a pocket pc
Aug 17 13:43:34 <Vajb> imo n900 is best phone i've used
Aug 17 13:43:41 <stryngs> But it sucks?
Aug 17 13:43:47 <stryngs> Its browsing capabilities are horrid
Aug 17 13:43:49 <stryngs> It's slow
Aug 17 13:43:50 <stryngs> no lte
Aug 17 13:43:51 <stryngs> etc..
Aug 17 13:43:51 <Vajb> also liked e90 but it is way dated now
Aug 17 13:43:59 <stryngs> again, it
Aug 17 13:44:03 <stryngs> is just my opinion and all
Aug 17 13:44:07 <stryngs> I much prefer a nexus5 and such
Aug 17 13:44:12 <Vajb> what has phone and browsing to do togther?
Aug 17 13:44:15 <stryngs> I DO LOOK FORWARD TO neo900 though
Aug 17 13:44:39 <stryngs> Vajb: Well, if u look at the market and what's available, other phones just kick the n900 squarely in the chops
Aug 17 13:44:47 <stryngs> But.... as far as a computer goes?
Aug 17 13:44:54 <stryngs> n900 whips a pi any day
Aug 17 13:45:18 <stryngs> I just could never see myself using the n900 ina  serious way
Aug 17 13:45:19 <Vajb> i rarely browse web, but when i do im satisfied with what i have
Aug 17 13:45:24 <stryngs> hell, even the gps sucks
Aug 17 13:45:35 <Vajb> guess it's about not tried anything better
Aug 17 13:45:36 <stryngs> Vajb: Heh..  You used a "modern" smartphone?
Aug 17 13:45:50 <stryngs> Vajb: Even an iphone 3g has a better browser than the n900
Aug 17 13:46:06 <Vajb> my gf's xcover 2
Aug 17 13:46:21 <Vajb> and it sucks with it's 1gb always full memory
Aug 17 13:46:46 <stryngs> I dunno.  Don't get me wrong; I'm not hating on the n900, I'll defend it till the day I die; but, as a smartphone, considering what is available pricewise in 2015, the n900 is just ancient and sucks.
Aug 17 13:46:54 <Vajb> also i find galaxy tab 2 lagging with browsers i've tried
Aug 17 13:46:59 <stryngs> However, as a pocket pc?  The n900 rocks.
Aug 17 13:47:01 <Vajb> chrome and dolphin
Aug 17 13:47:07 <stryngs> Try a Nexus 5 Vajb 
Aug 17 13:47:12 <stryngs> Best phone I ever had.
Aug 17 13:47:33 <Vajb> i guess it lags the main feature
Aug 17 13:47:38 <Vajb> hwkbd
Aug 17 13:47:51 <stryngs> Oh well, just wanted to pipe in my two cents.  Viva la n900!
Aug 17 13:48:20 <Vajb> that's the thing what tempted me to n900 at first place when i tried to find successor for e90
Aug 17 13:49:42 <kerio> there's no good keyboardful android phone right now, is there
Aug 17 13:50:03 <Vajb> nope
Aug 17 13:50:31 <Vajb> i saw some nokias with keyboard squeezed tightly below screen
Aug 17 13:50:39 <Vajb> but doesn't look too usable
Aug 17 13:51:25 <kerio> my father bought a nokia 108 a week ago
Aug 17 13:51:37 <kerio> so fucking good
Aug 17 13:51:50 <kerio> it doesn't even support bluetooth HFP
Aug 17 14:22:34 <Vajb> it's starnge that most of my friend complain on screen kbd, but still they use shitty android phones. I guess thats not the best way to send correct message to manufacturers
Aug 17 14:22:43 <Vajb> strange*
Aug 17 15:15:34 <zGrr> Vajb:  why would manufacturers even  care about what users think?
Aug 17 15:17:52 <Vajb> well if phones without hw kbd stop selling that might force them to rethink their products
Aug 17 15:18:39 <zGrr> Vajb:  they will sell if there will be no other phones.
Aug 17 15:21:13 <Vajb> i guess that's why they sell now
Aug 17 15:21:36 <zGrr> Vajb: manufacturers do not even regard your father as their customer. they only see mobile phone network as their customers and the networks decide what is good for your father and what is bad. he is only suppose to come once in a couple of years, sign the contract and get a new crappy handset together with it.
Aug 17 15:22:07 <Vajb> sad but true
Aug 17 15:27:40 <kerio> sure, in the US
Aug 17 15:27:51 <kerio> where mobile networks' customers never had any choice at all
Aug 17 15:30:04 <zGrr> it's the same everywhere.
Aug 17 15:31:29 <kerio> no one in my immediate or second-level family has a contract phone
Aug 17 15:32:47 <zGrr> it doesn't matter. they are the market for second-hand handsets. 
Aug 17 15:33:01 <kerio> no one in my immediate or second-level family has a used phone
Aug 17 15:33:09 <zGrr> ok
Aug 17 15:33:13 <zGrr> niche perhaps?
Aug 17 15:33:36 <kerio> various samsung galaxies, and a couple of chinese THL phones
Aug 17 15:33:52 <kerio> oh and a LG phone of some sorts
Aug 17 15:34:10 <zGrr> you can buy a phone without a contract everywhere. i just don't know anybody doing this. except some rare cases.
Aug 17 15:34:24 <zGrr> well
Aug 17 15:35:18 <zGrr> I was buing new phones myself. but technically they were second-hand. sold with contract to someone else and resold without unboxing. 
Aug 17 15:37:13 <zGrr> brand new, unused, unopened but second-hand.
Aug 17 15:45:42 <zGrr> even jolla that sells phones directly doesn't listen to their customers. they seem to know better. 
Aug 17 15:50:16 <wnd> I don't know anyone (at least personally) who bought a phone with a contract. I suppose that depends on where you live (and who you know).
Aug 17 15:51:06 <zGrr> definitely 
Aug 17 16:00:42 <Luke-Jr> Pali: what is the best way for me to contribute to kdepim-noakonadi? I think I have a working fix for my crash, and also backported other changes from mainline KMail
Aug 17 16:01:08 <Luke-Jr> Pali: maybe slowly as more people desire a good email client, the project can grow? ;)
Aug 17 16:01:40 <Luke-Jr> (I think a lot of people still using KMail 4.4 will be left behind when Qt4 dies off)
Aug 17 16:02:37 <Pali> Luke-Jr: send me patch
Aug 17 16:03:03 <Luke-Jr> Pali: patches are ugly - no way to do git? maybe I can fork it on GitHub?
Aug 17 16:03:32 <Luke-Jr> right now, it'd be about 20 patches :x
Aug 17 16:04:15 <Pali> git format-patch
Aug 17 16:04:30 <Pali> or clone project somewhere
Aug 17 16:04:36 <Pali> and send me pull request or so
Aug 17 16:05:18 <Pali> you can also use git send-email :-)
Aug 17 16:06:38 <Luke-Jr> pull request to a KDE repo? O.o
Aug 17 16:06:57 <Luke-Jr> or do you have it on GitHub or similar?
Aug 17 16:25:16 <Pali> Luke-Jr: nope, but kde has reviewboard (git.reviewboard.kde.org)
Aug 17 16:25:20 <Pali> but I mean git request-pull
Aug 17 16:25:29 <Pali> for sending pull requests
Aug 17 16:31:37 <Luke-Jr> Pali: okay. reviewboard doesn't seem to do git pull/merge stuff, so how does this sound: fork the other kdepim-noakonadi already on GitHub, push my changes there, then git-request-pull it to you?
Aug 17 16:32:30 <Pali> Luke-Jr: send me either patches (by git format-patch) or send me link from which I can pull your commits (e.g manually or via git request-pull)
Aug 17 17:37:00 <totalizator> sixwheeledbeast: good to know that you fixed the scrobbler \:D/
Aug 17 17:37:19 <sixwheeledbeast> :)
Aug 17 17:45:48 <Sicelo> Wizzup: tested that network streaming .. it is surprisingly very stable on my wifi :) manually loaded the module with pactl
Aug 17 18:11:06 <Wizzup> Sicelo: :) nice
Aug 17 18:11:10 <Wizzup> It was stable on my wifi at times
Aug 17 18:11:12 <Wizzup> not always
Aug 17 19:38:41 <sunweaver> Hi! Just posed this on #neo900:
Aug 17 19:40:12 <sunweaver> 21:35 < sunweaver> I am a Debian developer and I would like to help out with  packaging for Neo900/N900. Where is the right place to get  in tocuh???
Aug 17 19:40:46 <kerio> sunweaver: #maemo-ssu
Aug 17 19:40:52 <kerio> more likely
Aug 17 19:40:58 <sunweaver> ack.
Aug 17 20:23:24 <stryngs> Can someone explain to me, why, when i built libxml2-2.9.2 from source, it created python2.5 libs, but not python2.7?
Aug 17 20:23:35 <KotCzarny> config option?
Aug 17 20:24:09 <stryngs> hmm
Aug 17 20:24:10 <KotCzarny> no 2.7-dev for python installed?
Aug 17 20:24:19 <stryngs> i have 2.7-dev
Aug 17 20:24:29 <stryngs> i'm just trying to figure out which ./configure -- flag i need to throw
Aug 17 20:29:01 <stryngs> hmm
Aug 17 20:29:11 <stryngs> Pali: Will upgrading, Libxml2 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5, break my system?
Aug 17 20:29:22 <stryngs> I tried to grab the deb, but evidently it's built into the PR1.3 package itself
Aug 17 20:30:41 <bencoh> stryngs: see debian/control I guess
Aug 17 20:31:27 <stryngs> bencoh: I don't follow?
Aug 17 20:33:42 <bencoh> the debian/control file
Aug 17 20:33:54 <stryngs> i can't grab the file
Aug 17 20:33:59 <bencoh> ?
Aug 17 20:34:00 <stryngs> that's just it, or i would
Aug 17 20:34:02 <stryngs> try it
Aug 17 20:34:03 <stryngs> libxml2
Aug 17 20:34:04 <stryngs> from
Aug 17 20:34:07 <stryngs> maemo.org/packages
Aug 17 20:34:11 <stryngs> See if u can find the .deb
Aug 17 20:34:13 <stryngs> i'd love to.
Aug 17 20:34:25 <stryngs> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/libxml2/2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5/
Aug 17 20:34:28 <stryngs> It leads me there.
Aug 17 20:34:49 <bencoh> that's the stock package
Aug 17 20:34:57 <stryngs> right
Aug 17 20:35:03 <stryngs> but i cant find the actual deb for libxml2
Aug 17 20:35:21 <bencoh> I dont think maemo.org/packages tracks cssu
Aug 17 20:35:29 <bencoh> (I'm pretty sure it doesnt)
Aug 17 20:35:34 <stryngs> Reinstallation of libxml2 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
Aug 17 20:36:00 <bencoh> it can be downloaded from mirrors
Aug 17 20:36:13 <bencoh> or from cssu
Aug 17 20:36:20 <stryngs> url?
Aug 17 20:36:58 <stryngs> http://repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libxml2/
Aug 17 20:37:06 <bencoh> http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libxml2/
Aug 17 20:37:30 <bencoh> you know you could just apt-get source with a proper env ?
Aug 17 20:38:03 <bencoh> (and I won't tell you it would be much cleaner and easier if you did all that from sb ;)
Aug 17 20:39:06 <stryngs> hmm
Aug 17 20:39:09 <stryngs> uri = http://repository.maemo.org/community/
Aug 17 20:39:09 <stryngs> dist = fremantle
Aug 17 20:39:10 <stryngs> components = free non-free
Aug 17 20:39:42 <bencoh> you need a "src" line in sources.list for apt-get source to work
Aug 17 20:40:03 <bencoh> s/src/deb-src/
Aug 17 20:40:03 <infobot> bencoh meant: you need a "deb-src" line in sources.list for apt-get source to work
Aug 17 20:40:35 <stryngs> Well, i guess this answers the question of whether or not upgrading libxml would be bad for my health
Aug 17 20:40:44 <bencoh> infobot: <3
Aug 17 20:40:45 <infobot> <3 is probably love
Aug 17 20:41:01 <stryngs> deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free
Aug 17 20:41:04 <stryngs> bencoh: ^?
Aug 17 20:43:57 <stryngs> holy cow
Aug 17 20:44:12 <stryngs> That's a lot of updatees
Aug 17 20:45:04 <Sicelo> :D
Aug 17 20:45:19 <bencoh> I dunno what you're doing, but maemo as a whole doesnt play nice with apt deps, and apt-get upgrade is often .... unpredictable
Aug 17 20:45:41 <stryngs> I'm trying to get cssu .debs
Aug 17 20:45:48 <stryngs> So i added that to my sources.list file
Aug 17 20:45:51 <stryngs> did apt-get update
Aug 17 20:45:59 <stryngs> and apt-get upgrade showed a TON of stuff i've never seen before
Aug 17 20:46:09 <stryngs> I want to hit Y, but at the same time, am not sure, if it's smart
Aug 17 20:46:15 <stryngs> I don't have a "cssu" environment
Aug 17 20:46:31 <stryngs> apt-get upgrade has always been safe for me
Aug 17 20:46:38 <stryngs> but i've never added the cssu repo
Aug 17 20:46:39 <stryngs> till now
Aug 17 20:48:12 <KotCzarny> you guys can add info about src repos to ~maemo-repos
Aug 17 20:49:18 <bencoh> KotCzarny: no I wouldn't
Aug 17 20:49:41 <bencoh> because that's supposed to go in a dev env (sb for instance)
Aug 17 20:49:54 <KotCzarny> some might want do dev on device
Aug 17 20:50:03 <stryngs> and^
Aug 17 20:50:08 <stryngs> I dev on my device
Aug 17 20:50:09 <bencoh> those should be able to find it by themselve ;)
Aug 17 20:50:15 <stryngs> boo
Aug 17 20:50:17 <KotCzarny> with proper commenting it would be valuable 
Aug 17 20:50:40 <KotCzarny> bencoh, not everyone is apt wizard ;)
Aug 17 20:50:45 <stryngs> <<
Aug 17 20:50:47 <stryngs> agreed
Aug 17 20:50:56 * KotCzarny is a slacker
Aug 17 20:51:46 <stryngs> Hmm
Aug 17 20:51:50 <stryngs> I'm gunna take the plunge
Aug 17 20:51:55 <stryngs> I hope i dont breka my nokia
Aug 17 20:52:07 <KotCzarny> reflashing is quick and easy
Aug 17 20:52:08 <stryngs> 114 packages..
Aug 17 20:52:11 <stryngs> not for me KotCzarny 
Aug 17 20:52:19 <KotCzarny> but mind you, rootsf is scarce
Aug 17 20:52:20 <stryngs> Takes about 1.5 hrs
Aug 17 20:52:25 <KotCzarny> *rootfs
Aug 17 20:52:29 <stryngs> Not for me
Aug 17 20:52:35 <stryngs> rootfs is around 9gb =)
Aug 17 20:52:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 17 20:52:48 <stryngs> I build my nokia in a very special way, using bind mounts and such
Aug 17 20:52:57 <KotCzarny> move it to sd card?
Aug 17 20:53:03 <KotCzarny> then backup and restore card on pc?
Aug 17 20:53:10 <stryngs> sd card broke
Aug 17 20:53:11 <stryngs> http://termbin.com/kzrm
Aug 17 20:53:15 <stryngs> That's how my fs is laid out
Aug 17 20:53:50 <KotCzarny> mind you, ondevice flash can break
Aug 17 20:54:34 <stryngs> Can someone confirm if this is proper repo for cssu? deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free
Aug 17 20:55:02 <kerio> that's cssu-stable, yes
Aug 17 20:55:29 <stryngs> KERIO!
Aug 17 20:55:39 <stryngs> Do you have about 5 minutes I could pick your brain?
Aug 17 20:55:41 <kerio> no
Aug 17 20:55:43 <stryngs> dang
Aug 17 20:55:46 <stryngs> next time perhaps then
Aug 17 20:55:54 <stryngs> but putting that in my repo, and doing apt-get upgrade.  sane?
Aug 17 20:56:00 <KotCzarny> um
Aug 17 20:56:00 <stryngs> kerio: ^
Aug 17 20:56:13 <KotCzarny> you never do upgrade on n900
Aug 17 20:56:14 <kerio> probably
Aug 17 20:56:20 <KotCzarny> unless you want to break thing
Aug 17 20:56:21 <kerio> KotCzarny: wat
Aug 17 20:56:21 <KotCzarny> s
Aug 17 20:56:23 <stryngs> KotCzarny: u mean dist-upgrade
Aug 17 20:56:26 <KotCzarny> nope
Aug 17 20:56:26 <stryngs> upgrade is safe
Aug 17 20:56:31 <stryngs> dist-upgrade == bad
Aug 17 20:56:32 <KotCzarny> even upgrade can break things
Aug 17 20:56:37 <stryngs> Never has for me
Aug 17 20:56:40 <kerio> stryngs: upgrade but reboot immediately
Aug 17 20:56:41 <KotCzarny> at least that was cssu guys stance
Aug 17 20:56:53 <kerio> KotCzarny: yes, it can cause states of weirdness and it's unsupported
Aug 17 20:56:53 <stryngs> kerio: Why the immediate reboot?
Aug 17 20:57:02 <kerio> on the other hand, stryngs knows what a bindmount is
Aug 17 20:57:20 <kerio> so i assume he can read the apt man page to solve possible problems
Aug 17 20:57:37 <stryngs> I can figure stuff out, this is just very new territory to me
Aug 17 20:57:37 <kerio> stryngs: because you will update quite a number of system things
Aug 17 20:57:43 <stryngs> i've never mucked with cssu
Aug 17 20:57:49 <stryngs> but, it has newer libxml, openssl, etc..
Aug 17 20:57:57 <stryngs> Things I would love to incorporate
Aug 17 20:58:05 <stryngs> I'm also curious, how my bindmounts would affect them
Aug 17 20:58:06 <stryngs> i.e.
Aug 17 20:58:12 <stryngs> at which point in bootup does the mounting occur
Aug 17 20:58:17 <stryngs> etc..
Aug 17 20:58:24 <stryngs> Welp
Aug 17 20:58:31 <kerio> well, you're supposed to tell me
Aug 17 20:58:33 <KotCzarny> there was a page for that
Aug 17 20:58:35 <stryngs> They say, the one way to tell, is to just........ 
Aug 17 20:58:36 <stryngs> DO it
Aug 17 20:58:38 <stryngs> So..
Aug 17 20:58:40 <stryngs> apt-get upgrade -y
Aug 17 20:58:46 <kerio> yesterday you said tomorrow
Aug 17 20:59:01 <kerio> stryngs: when was your last backup?
Aug 17 20:59:13 <KotCzarny> http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?s=eb294268c4d5d31e960acd6e31322a30&t=87959
Aug 17 20:59:15 <stryngs> i keep a stable backup at all times
Aug 17 20:59:23 <kerio> yeah but like
Aug 17 20:59:25 <kerio> a full backup
Aug 17 20:59:25 <stryngs> hmm, need the gpg key for cssu
Aug 17 20:59:33 <stryngs> I keep a stable offline backup at all times kerio
Aug 17 20:59:34 <KotCzarny> weird how 213.128.137.28 is higher than talk.maemo.org
Aug 17 20:59:40 <kerio> stryngs: yes that would be one of the things that cssu-enabler does
Aug 17 20:59:45 <stryngs> Gotcha
Aug 17 20:59:55 <kerio> any reason not to follow the official instructions for installing cssu?
Aug 17 20:59:56 <stryngs> I'd like to find the script that cssu uses to make phones cssu
Aug 17 21:00:02 <stryngs> because of my bindmounts and such
Aug 17 21:00:13 <kerio> those instructions start with "take a full backup with backupmenu"
Aug 17 21:00:14 <stryngs> I have a modified pwnieexpress pwnphone
Aug 17 21:00:19 <kerio> might as well try
Aug 17 21:00:22 <kerio> oh right you're the script kid
Aug 17 21:00:25 <stryngs> ^
Aug 17 21:00:30 <KotCzarny> stryngs, it upgrades one package
Aug 17 21:00:40 <KotCzarny> then all other things depend on that one metapackage
Aug 17 21:00:40 <stryngs> kerio: I'm that guy =)
Aug 17 21:00:42 <kerio> figure out when the bindmounts are done
Aug 17 21:01:07 <kerio> i don't think cssu-stable changes /sbin/preinit, for instance
Aug 17 21:01:30 <stryngs> kerio it's not so much the bindmounts I'm worried about; as making sure the phone is stable and such.
Aug 17 21:03:04 <stryngs> http://repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/c/community-ssu-enabler/community-ssu-enabler_0.7-4_all.deb
Aug 17 21:03:07 <stryngs> Thanks for the hint =)
Aug 17 21:20:53 <stryngs> Welp... We shall see what happens
Aug 17 21:21:05 <stryngs> I never bothered to take apart the community enabler deb before.  Seems sane...
Aug 17 21:21:18 <KotCzarny> :>
Aug 17 22:51:39 <sixwheeledbeast> hmm it would appear my CPU fan has died. :(
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