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Aug 23 05:42:53 <Wizzup> antranigv: hm, I guess, but I doubt it will work on maemo
Aug 23 05:43:02 <Wizzup> different glibc versions, etc
Aug 23 10:45:57 <lolcat> Hello
Aug 23 10:46:03 <lolcat> what is the chanel with phone people?
Aug 23 10:46:56 <Sicelo> huh?
Aug 23 10:49:39 <bencoh> phone people ?
Aug 23 11:16:37 <Sicelo> he wanted to say bencoh is a phone person, hehe
Aug 23 11:17:01 <Sicelo> d
Aug 23 11:44:22 <antranigv> I see
Aug 23 11:44:41 <antranigv> um, any nice tutorial to compile fpc on scratchbox?
Aug 23 11:48:30 <bencoh> read the wiki about porting debian packages
Aug 23 11:48:41 <bencoh> grab lenny's package, and try building it
Aug 23 11:48:55 <antranigv> oh, didn't know there is a wiki page for that...
Aug 23 11:49:20 <antranigv> - I want to... - yes, there is a wiki page for that :P (c) maemo community
Aug 23 11:49:29 <bencoh> you might even try to grab a more recent version, since fpc shouldnt have too many deps
Aug 23 11:49:43 <antranigv> it doesn't have any, usually.
Aug 23 11:50:04 <bencoh> then grab latest from debian
Aug 23 11:50:20 <bencoh> but you'll have to work on the control and rules files
Aug 23 11:50:31 <antranigv> what about compiling it from source?
Aug 23 11:50:52 <bencoh> that's possible as well, but ... meh :)
Aug 23 11:51:05 <bencoh> build a package if you can
Aug 23 11:51:24 <antranigv> and then add it to extras-devel?
Aug 23 11:51:33 <bencoh> that's the idea :-)
Aug 23 11:55:52 <antranigv> I still don't know how to use scratchbox, lol
Aug 23 11:57:59 <bencoh> antranigv: there is a wiki page for that as well :D
Aug 23 11:58:24 <bencoh> once the env is "started" it's just like a regular native system
Aug 23 11:58:31 <bencoh> (well, almost)
Aug 23 12:28:33 <antranigv> well, to have fpc on n900, fist I neeed to compile it on my x64, then to compile again on the n900, but the maemo sdk does not have a terminal in it :/
Aug 23 12:29:44 <bencoh> ?
Aug 23 12:31:17 * antranigv still has much to learn...
Aug 23 12:31:40 <antranigv> let me read more stuff first :)))
Aug 23 12:51:11 <nwolf900> hi guys, I'm new to maemo, does anyone know why gTranslate keeps giving 'please enter valid text'? I've been googling it - nothing so far, stops at 'it is fixed' sometime in 2010 and nothing on it eversince... aren't there art least some working alternatives to it? thx in advance
Aug 23 12:52:37 <bencoh> apparently it stopped working a few weeks ago
Aug 23 12:53:27 <antranigv> maybe the problem is from google?
Aug 23 12:54:47 <bencoh> iirc it receives a captcha to solve
Aug 23 13:05:28 <nwolf900_> confirmed, thx! do you think I should try to contact the author?
Aug 23 13:11:09 <bencoh> hmm you could try that but it looks like there's already an old pending maintainer request, so ...
Aug 23 15:47:36 <DocScrutinizer05> lolcat: what exactly are those "phone people" you want to meet?
Aug 23 15:48:10 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather, which phone specifically?
Aug 23 15:48:33 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: xda people, the smart ones. Huawei Ascend Y-530
Aug 23 15:50:33 <Sicelo> looks like we have the dumb ones here 
Aug 23 15:50:36 <Sicelo> haha
Aug 23 15:50:39 <DocScrutinizer05> antranigv: no, you cross-compile on scratchbox (X86) for maemo (ARM)
Aug 23 15:51:01 <DocScrutinizer05> lolcat: /msg alis help
Aug 23 15:51:32 <bencoh> lolcat: most of us here are maemo users, so ...
Aug 23 15:51:47 <lolcat> Sicelo: Not really, but sadly I dont have a N900 anymore and they dont make them like that anymore
Aug 23 15:52:43 <DocScrutinizer05> no, "they" only offer Neo900 now (for preorder, if you want one around end of year or next year's 1st quarter)
Aug 23 15:52:58 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: Neo900? Oo
Aug 23 15:53:05 <bencoh> you can buy a second-hand meanwhile ... there are some to sell around
Aug 23 15:53:06 <DocScrutinizer05> /join #neo900
Aug 23 15:53:41 <DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org
Aug 23 15:54:12 * DocScrutinizer05 shouldn't do such shameless advertising
Aug 23 15:54:27 <kerio> it's not like there's much else going on, anyway
Aug 23 15:54:35 <kerio> and it was relevant to the discussion
Aug 23 15:54:39 <Sicelo> ~oscp
Aug 23 15:54:39 <infobot> rumour has it, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
Aug 23 15:55:57 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 
Aug 23 15:56:12 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: Uhm, the price of that thing is obscene
Aug 23 15:56:35 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, alas not much we can do about that
Aug 23 15:57:01 <lolcat> what are the specs?
Aug 23 15:58:15 <DocScrutinizer05> well, TI built the Zoom-II with similar specs and they built it with their own chips and in qty of nE4 and they still were more expensive than we are
Aug 23 15:58:27 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: also, what does it mean with debian/GNU Linux, not maemo?
Aug 23 15:58:37 <DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org/specs
Aug 23 15:58:56 <kerio> lolcat: it's a BSP
Aug 23 15:59:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org/faq#os
Aug 23 15:59:08 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: but the oneplusone has sapphire and costs far less, the proposed ubuntu phone costed two thirds and had considerably better specs
Aug 23 15:59:12 <kerio> an install of debian with enough drivers to test the hardware, pretty much
Aug 23 15:59:30 <kerio> lolcat: those won't run maemo fremantle
Aug 23 15:59:33 <DocScrutinizer05> and did ubuntu phone happen?
Aug 23 15:59:41 <lolcat> to test? does it have the Maemo windows and gui? can it do everything that maemo does?
Aug 23 15:59:47 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: no, it cost too much
Aug 23 15:59:55 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: it did ... didnt it?
Aug 23 16:00:09 <bencoh> (unless I missed something)
Aug 23 16:00:22 <DocScrutinizer05> no, they tried to gather a bazillion preorders and STILL they were friggin expensive
Aug 23 16:00:41 <DocScrutinizer05> we're trying to build a 500 devices
Aug 23 16:01:10 <DocScrutinizer05> that's like the difference between a phot wallpaper and a real artist creating a painting on your wall
Aug 23 16:01:12 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: but they had sapphire glass. I am willing to pay like €160 euro extra for sapphire glass
Aug 23 16:01:51 <kerio> sapphire glass won't work well with a stylus
Aug 23 16:01:53 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't matter. We can't do that. And we don't even want crappy capacitive glass touchscreen
Aug 23 16:02:06 <lolcat> why can't you?
Aug 23 16:02:17 <kerio> because the screens come from n900s
Aug 23 16:02:23 <DocScrutinizer05> please could somebody take over?
Aug 23 16:02:31 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: thanks!
Aug 23 16:03:22 <kerio> lolcat: the NeoN board is just a board
Aug 23 16:03:33 <kerio> pretty much everything else will come from a nokia n900
Aug 23 16:03:36 <lolcat> kerio: does it support ant+?
Aug 23 16:03:46 <kerio> wtf is ant+
Aug 23 16:04:12 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: yes, finally Shuttle-worth-it(?) remembered he has enough in his kitty to do such project without crowdfunding, after that crowdfunding failed, iirc
Aug 23 16:04:35 <DocScrutinizer05> lolcat: yes, ANT and iirc ANT+ are supported
Aug 23 16:04:50 <kerio> is that some NFC crap
Aug 23 16:04:53 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: wireless stuff around BT
Aug 23 16:05:03 <kerio> oh, bluetooth
Aug 23 16:05:04 <DocScrutinizer05> or WLAN
Aug 23 16:05:16 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: it is neither bluetooth or wlan
Aug 23 16:05:20 <DocScrutinizer05> can't recall right now
Aug 23 16:05:25 <DocScrutinizer05> comes with module
Aug 23 16:05:34 <lolcat> ant+ is the garmin sensor wireless tech
Aug 23 16:05:43 <DocScrutinizer05> the what?
Aug 23 16:06:02 <lolcat> it is the wireless tech used by garmin sensors
Aug 23 16:06:17 <lolcat> ant+ is owned by garmin
Aug 23 16:06:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't even know what's a "garmin sensor"
Aug 23 16:06:55 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: pulse belt, garmin tempe (temperature sensor), garmin fotpod (obvious what this is), cadence sensor, power sensor, speed sensor and what not
Aug 23 16:07:04 <bencoh> "proprietary (but open access)" hmm
Aug 23 16:07:17 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.thisisant.com/developer/ant-plus/ant-ble-comparison
Aug 23 16:07:23 <lolcat> bencoh: garmin uses both private and open access ant+
Aug 23 16:07:33 <DocScrutinizer05> it IS BLE
Aug 23 16:07:55 <DocScrutinizer05> and it's not 2owned by Garmin"
Aug 23 16:08:18 <lolcat> does it support NFC?
Aug 23 16:08:38 <kerio> lolcat: if only there was a website where all these things you're asking were listed
Aug 23 16:08:49 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: looks like it's not BLE
Aug 23 16:09:01 <DocScrutinizer05> not BLE exactly but handled by BT module
Aug 23 16:09:02 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: oh and ... does it have BLE, btw ?
Aug 23 16:09:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bd
Aug 23 16:09:22 <infobot> bd is probably Bangladesh
Aug 23 16:09:26 <DocScrutinizer05> dang
Aug 23 16:09:32 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#neo900 bd
Aug 23 16:09:32 <infobot> somebody said #neo900 bd was http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html the very fine and detailled Block Diagram, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1445200#post1445200
Aug 23 16:09:35 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: So you will not add VAT to send it to Norway?
Aug 23 16:10:09 <DocScrutinizer05> we will add where we have to, which is a detail my tax advisor will have to work out
Aug 23 16:10:42 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: So is the 990 euro for just the board or a complete unit?
Aug 23 16:10:42 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: riiight I can always read th specs ... :]
Aug 23 16:10:43 <DocScrutinizer05> recently european VAT regulations are in the changing
Aug 23 16:11:18 <DocScrutinizer05> lolcat: NeoN bare board. Add a 130 for a complete N900 we source for you and upgrade it
Aug 23 16:12:16 <lolcat> I am pretty sure you get two N900 for 130, do you replace the battery? How is battery life on the NeoN? can I buy jut the materials for €470?
Aug 23 16:12:26 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: http://www.jorjin.com.tw/#!wg7351-00/c1dnh
Aug 23 16:13:24 <DocScrutinizer05> lolcat: bencoh: http://media.wix.com/ugd/0482ec_d0c9cc1f767ce75edb5d1d28cfe786af.pdf   2.2.4. ANT Features ................................................................................................... 7
Aug 23 16:13:57 <DocScrutinizer05> "Fully compliant with all ANT Protocols:"
Aug 23 16:14:18 <bencoh> nice, thx
Aug 23 16:14:22 <DocScrutinizer05> >>  ANT provides immediate access to the millions of ANT+ sensors already in the market and an ongoing option for cost and power optimized sensors<<
Aug 23 16:14:25 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: are you saying I can connect ant+ sensors to my phone or use my ant+ dongle as a bluetooth dongle?
Aug 23 16:16:21 <lolcat> also, at that price, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a dozen N900s or six  N900s and a oneplusone 2 or six n900s and a light laptop?
Aug 23 16:16:57 * DocScrutinizer05 afk
Aug 23 16:16:59 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: why not use high end stuff, like 4gb ram and 64gb storage?
Aug 23 16:17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#neo900 bd
Aug 23 16:17:16 <infobot> #neo900 bd is probably http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html the very fine and detailled Block Diagram, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1445200#post1445200
Aug 23 16:17:48 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2015/08/23/plasma-desktopso1947.png
Aug 23 16:18:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org/specs
Aug 23 16:19:20 <kerio> lolcat: omap3 can't do 4gb of ram
Aug 23 16:19:27 <DocScrutinizer05> cost difference between 32GB and 64GB is ~40 bucks which we nevertheless added (and made for the higher price) since we *want* to go for specs as good as feasible
Aug 23 16:19:30 <kerio> 64gb of storage... eh, it has 32 already, and there's a µsd slot
Aug 23 16:19:51 <kerio> oh, it does have 64? neat
Aug 23 16:20:35 <bencoh> and yeah, the real bottleneck here is "omap3"
Aug 23 16:20:51 <DocScrutinizer05> [jolla] >> The tablet comes with two memory options 32GB and 64GB, and the pre-order prices are 267 € and 299 € respectively. <<  So their difference between 32 and 64 GB eMMC is 32€
Aug 23 16:21:17 <lolcat> bencoh: cant we use omap4?
Aug 23 16:21:31 <DocScrutinizer05> omap4 is broken by design
Aug 23 16:21:41 <kerio> omap5!
Aug 23 16:22:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ...will be the processor on STEP2, when community learned how to port fremantle
Aug 23 16:22:08 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer05: omap5 then?
Aug 23 16:22:24 <kerio> lolcat: omap5 won't run fremantle
Aug 23 16:22:35 <lolcat> what is fremantle?
Aug 23 16:22:35 <kerio> at least, not immediately
Aug 23 16:22:49 <kerio> the maemo that runs on the n900
Aug 23 16:22:50 <bencoh> kerio: actually we dont know about that
Aug 23 16:23:04 <bencoh> all we know is "some stuff migt break"
Aug 23 16:23:10 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Aug 23 16:23:13 <lolcat> kerio: why not call it maemo5?
Aug 23 16:23:28 <DocScrutinizer05> and we also know we wouldn't fit omap5 into N900
Aug 23 16:23:33 <kerio> who the fuck knows what maemo 5 is
Aug 23 16:23:38 <DocScrutinizer05> or it would get even thicker
Aug 23 16:23:51 <lolcat> omap5 is fatter than the n900?
Aug 23 16:23:57 <bencoh> kerio: everyone who owns or owned a n900 ? :D
Aug 23 16:24:08 <kerio> bencoh: same goes for fremantle, really
Aug 23 16:24:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fremantle
Aug 23 16:24:54 <DocScrutinizer05> wow
Aug 23 16:25:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues fremantle
Aug 23 16:25:16 <infobot> Factoid search of 'fremantle' by value (11): truecrypt ;; n900 #DEL# ;; infobot #maemo getversion ;; #maemo repos ;; bluetooth-profiles ;; #maemo closed ;; fptf ;; #maemo getversion ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; pr1.3 ;; pr1.3sdk.
Aug 23 16:25:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~forget infobot #maemo getversion
Aug 23 16:25:51 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: i forgot infobot #maemo getversion
Aug 23 16:26:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fptf
Aug 23 16:26:04 <infobot> it has been said that fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
Aug 23 16:26:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~getversion
Aug 23 16:26:26 <infobot> somebody said getversion was input the following in a terminal:   osso-product-info | grep OSSO_VERSION | cut -d "'" -f 2; dpkg-query -W -f='${Version}  ' mp-fremantle-community-pr; uname -r
Aug 23 16:27:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr1.3sdk
Aug 23 16:27:03 <infobot> it has been said that pr1.3sdk is http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt
Aug 23 16:28:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys pr1.
Aug 23 16:28:16 <infobot> Factoid search of 'pr1.' by key (15): #harmattan pr1.2 ;; pr1.1 ;; pr1.2 ;; ~pr1.1.1 #DEL# ;; pr1.2 #DEL# ;; pr1.3.3.7 ;; pr1.3 #DEL# ;; pr1.3 ;; pr1.5 ;; pr1.4 ;; pr1.1.1 ;; pr1.3sdk ;; pr1.3.1 ;; pr1.6 ;; pr1.5 #DEL#.
Aug 23 16:32:37 <DocScrutinizer05> lolcat: anyway when you want to discuss Neo900 details, you rather should /join #neo900
Aug 23 17:56:32 <richy> cio
Aug 23 17:56:38 <richy> ciao
Aug 23 18:13:28 * KotCzarny yawns
Aug 23 18:13:37 <KotCzarny> fricking asps
Aug 23 18:58:56 <Sicelo> what's a good game for N900 which i can try? something with nice 3d graphics :)
Aug 23 18:59:09 <KotCzarny> ummm
Aug 23 18:59:27 <KotCzarny> n-speed ?
Aug 23 19:00:08 * Sicelo checks it out
Aug 23 19:02:07 <KotCzarny> not too good graphics though
Aug 23 19:02:30 <KotCzarny> http://theunlockr.com/2010/03/18/top-20-free-games-on-the-nokia-n900/
Aug 23 19:02:32 <KotCzarny> he he
Aug 23 19:02:36 <KotCzarny> prboom
Aug 23 19:02:37 <KotCzarny> ;)
Aug 23 19:03:34 <Sicelo> i am looking at its youtube video .. yes .. the graphics .. eew
Aug 23 19:05:13 <Sicelo> i am not a gamer anyway .. would have been nice to have some really nice games on N900
Aug 23 19:05:32 * Sicelo has two Nokia N-Gage Classics (one dead though)
Aug 23 19:05:38 <KotCzarny> if you like puzzles search for gnurobbo
Aug 23 19:06:00 <KotCzarny> (little atari classic)
Aug 23 19:06:17 <KotCzarny> another nice one is hex-a-hop
Aug 23 19:06:44 <KotCzarny> and 'puzzles' for classic board puzzles
Aug 23 19:07:20 <Sicelo> i want something that's "live" ... e.g. racing. not into shooters, but would play if the graphics are great
Aug 23 19:07:54 <KotCzarny> i guess you should look into emulated games
Aug 23 19:08:06 <KotCzarny> they are commercial quality
Aug 23 19:09:40 <Sicelo> you're right .. i've never used emulators .. although it does seem N900 has some good emulators
Aug 23 19:12:21 <bencoh> it does
Aug 23 19:19:40 <Sicelo> so maybe i should ask .. what are the nicest/most detailed/coolest racing games which N900 can emulate? :)
Aug 23 19:20:19 <Sicelo> which are also hopefully not too difficult to get 
Aug 23 19:20:34 <KotCzarny> as usual with emus, you have to pirate it
Aug 23 19:20:44 <KotCzarny> unless you have original cartridges/discs
Aug 23 19:21:12 * Sicelo flushed his conscience down the drain, haha
Aug 23 19:23:15 <bencoh> anyway ... Playstation games are ... 20yo ? :))
Aug 23 19:23:44 <bencoh> a bit less for the latest
Aug 23 19:23:52 <Sicelo> umm .. 20yo means?
Aug 23 19:23:58 <bencoh> 20 years old
Aug 23 19:25:40 <KotCzarny> bencoh: n900's screen is small
Aug 23 19:25:52 <bencoh> ?
Aug 23 19:25:56 <KotCzarny> and in racing games you dont have time to focus on details
Aug 23 19:26:21 <KotCzarny> unless you want to look at paused screens and dont care about playability
Aug 23 19:27:15 <bencoh> and why are you telling me this all of a sudden? :)
Aug 23 19:28:03 <KotCzarny> thought that argument about games being old was kind of 'old and dusty'
Aug 23 19:28:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 23 19:28:04 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: N-Gage had even smaller screen .. it was still nice to play 
Aug 23 19:28:29 <KotCzarny> sicelo: i've used n-gage more like a phone/smart-phone than gaming console
Aug 23 19:28:43 <KotCzarny> it had very nice implementation of tetris tho
Aug 23 19:28:52 <KotCzarny> and worms
Aug 23 19:29:09 <Sicelo> i did both. actually it's the N-Gage which introduced me to smartphones .. i had been using S40 before it
Aug 23 19:29:44 <KotCzarny> it could have been grand
Aug 23 19:29:52 <bencoh> KotCzarny: no, it was about "pirating" 20yo games :-)
Aug 23 19:29:55 <KotCzarny> pity they did few design flops
Aug 23 19:30:00 <KotCzarny> bencoh: ;)
Aug 23 19:30:01 <Sicelo> i particularly enjoyed the Asphalt games, as well as Collin McRae
Aug 23 19:30:15 <KotCzarny> maybe there is s60 emu for n900?
Aug 23 19:31:15 <Sicelo> nope
Aug 23 19:31:46 <KotCzarny> and for plain linux? hint hint
Aug 23 19:32:42 <Sicelo> i will check .. doubt though. Symbian was something else
Aug 23 19:33:42 <bencoh> looks like some xda guys want it as well ^ ^
Aug 23 19:35:22 <Sicelo> want a symbian emu?
Aug 23 19:37:02 <KotCzarny> https://blogs.oracle.com/kharezlak/entry/new_nokia_s60_touch_enabled
Aug 23 19:37:04 <KotCzarny> hum
Aug 23 19:37:13 <KotCzarny> s60 is java?
Aug 23 19:38:03 <bencoh> Sicelo: yeah
Aug 23 19:38:15 <bencoh> KotCzarny: probably
Aug 23 19:39:30 <Sicelo> no
Aug 23 19:39:35 <Sicelo> s60 is C++
Aug 23 19:39:57 <Sicelo> biggest problem -- memory management .. that's where the learning curve was
Aug 23 19:40:44 <Sicelo> symbian was a glorified version of the original OS on the Psion devices
Aug 23 19:44:51 <KotCzarny> i think s60 emu is blind alley
Aug 23 19:45:07 <KotCzarny> nothing significant on google
Aug 23 19:45:14 <KotCzarny> oh well, sleepy time
Aug 23 21:25:07 <erlehmann> i think my usb port on the n900 is having problems
Aug 23 21:26:06 <DocScrutinizer51> fist time we ever heard that ;)
Aug 23 21:26:11 <DocScrutinizer51> SCNR
Aug 23 21:26:48 <erlehmann> okay, so it is that i get something like this
Aug 23 21:26:48 <erlehmann> [85842.908100] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB device number 103 using uhci_hcd
Aug 23 21:26:48 <erlehmann> [85843.320122] usb 1-1: device not accepting address 103, error -71
Aug 23 21:26:48 <erlehmann> [85843.320177] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
Aug 23 21:26:54 <erlehmann> when connecting it to the computer
Aug 23 21:27:10 <Wizzup> not a bad cable?
Aug 23 21:27:18 <erlehmann> well, it might be a bad cable
Aug 23 21:27:24 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmm thkis could as well be a lousy cable
Aug 23 21:27:36 <erlehmann> the cable is a roll-up one
Aug 23 21:27:42 <erlehmann> maybe it has outlived its usefulness
Aug 23 21:27:50 <Wizzup> try a diff one
Aug 23 21:27:57 <erlehmann> i do not have one, but i will
Aug 23 21:28:20 <erlehmann> thx
Aug 23 21:28:35 <erlehmann> btw, my brother told me his n900 only loads if it is connected to a computer as a mass storage device. anyone ever heard of that?
Aug 23 21:28:44 <Wizzup> define loads
Aug 23 21:28:46 <Wizzup> charges?
Aug 23 21:28:56 <erlehmann> yes, charges
Aug 23 21:29:17 <erlehmann> sorry, in german „load“ and „charge“ is homophone
Aug 23 21:29:17 <Wizzup> never had that prob
Aug 23 21:29:22 <Wizzup> I realised
Aug 23 21:29:23 <erlehmann> „laden“
Aug 23 21:29:28 <Wizzup> it is the same in dutch
Aug 23 21:29:29 <Wizzup> ;)
Aug 23 21:31:29 <DocScrutinizer51> better get loaded than charged
Aug 23 21:31:45 <DocScrutinizer51> ;)
Aug 23 21:32:57 <DocScrutinizer51> N900 only properly charges when detecting D+- short
Aug 23 21:33:15 <DocScrutinizer51> or on PC host
Aug 23 21:34:25 <DocScrutinizer51> before going to extreme (hw) measures, try full
Aug 23 21:34:31 <DocScrutinizer51> ~bm
Aug 23 21:34:31 <infobot> from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Aug 23 21:34:35 <DocScrutinizer51> and
Aug 23 21:34:44 <DocScrutinizer51> ~flashing
Aug 23 21:34:45 <infobot> methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Aug 23 21:34:48 <erlehmann> ok
Aug 23 21:34:50 <erlehmann> thx
Aug 23 21:36:17 <DocScrutinizer51> yw
Aug 23 21:37:00 <DocScrutinizer51> there is more we can do for forensics, but flashing is the start
Aug 23 21:37:56 <DocScrutinizer51> btw when device flashes, your USB cannot be completely broken
Aug 23 21:38:35 <DocScrutinizer51> first try decent cable. the rollup type is known horste shit
Aug 23 21:38:46 <erlehmann> i forwarded him that
Aug 23 21:38:54 <erlehmann> thanks DocScrutinizer05 
Aug 23 21:39:15 <DocScrutinizer51> yw
Aug 23 21:42:05 <erlehmann> banana piano! http://web.archive.org/web/20140128095907/http://www.mindplus.cc/?page_id=2118
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