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Aug 30 03:07:52 <Maxdamantus> also, regarding upstart/systemd/pid1 .. I've just been setting my laptop up without such an init system.
Aug 30 03:09:18 <Maxdamantus> it just has an initramfs that mounts a filesystem and calls a second init script from there, which starts some gettys, udev, syslog, etc
Aug 30 03:09:43 <Maxdamantus> and the root filesystem is actually just directly from that initramfs.
Aug 30 06:54:57 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: it says something about mce respawning too fast and that process is halted. Also i read mention about that in maemo wiki. https://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns#Low_Level <- dont care about low level, but look below last code box. Line starting "Please note:..."
Aug 30 06:56:42 <Vajb> and by reading your lines I can probably say that you read it already :)
Aug 30 10:27:19 <DocScrutinizer05> https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=LED_patterns&diff=prev&oldid=27181  :-)
Aug 30 11:29:30 <Ras_Older> Has anyone been able to get Pixie WPS working on N900? I grabbed the git clone but make spits errors to my terminal.. Just wondering if I'm wasting my time trying to get this to working condition :D
Aug 30 11:29:48 <KotCzarny> that errors?
Aug 30 11:31:36 <Ras_Older> Yep just a sec I'll put that to pastebin
Aug 30 11:32:32 <Ras_Older> http://pastebin.com/7ByQXfD7 thats what I'm getting currently and the pixie wps git clone is from https://github.com/wiire/pixiewps
Aug 30 11:33:11 <KotCzarny> hmm
Aug 30 11:33:18 <KotCzarny> looks like error in system headers?
Aug 30 11:33:41 <KotCzarny> also, looks like you are trying to compile on device
Aug 30 11:33:46 <Ras_Older> yep
Aug 30 11:33:47 <KotCzarny> have you tried scratchbox build?
Aug 30 11:33:51 <Ras_Older> nah
Aug 30 11:34:22 <KotCzarny> my sb is off at the moment so i cant check
Aug 30 11:34:33 <KotCzarny> where did your /usr/include come from?
Aug 30 11:34:59 <KotCzarny> or /usr/include/asm specifically
Aug 30 11:36:33 <Ras_Older> pixiewps.c has include for asm/byteorder.h where that comes from
Aug 30 11:36:52 <KotCzarny> thats what i've asked you
Aug 30 11:39:43 <KotCzarny> you can try fixing it yourself, or trying different file
Aug 30 11:40:54 <Ras_Older> Yep looking at the source codes right now. Dunno if my programming-fu is strong enough but meh I'll give it a go and see what breaks :'D
Aug 30 11:41:08 <KotCzarny> make a backup ;)
Aug 30 11:42:22 <Ras_Older> Yeaaaah safe to say that if this baby takes a dive because I did a mistake I'm just going to reflash it and start from scratch. It has lots of old stuff and project in it that I've haven't been using in couple years
Aug 30 11:48:32 <Ras_Older> *mumbles* pointers... why does it have to have pointers...
Aug 30 11:48:49 <Ras_Older> I really hated those while at school studying programming :D
Aug 30 11:54:42 <KotCzarny> they are kind of shortcuts
Aug 30 11:54:56 <KotCzarny> and sometimes you can meet mugger in the back alley
Aug 30 11:55:08 <Ras_Older> :D true
Aug 30 11:55:41 <KotCzarny> they are convenient if used cautiously
Aug 30 11:57:41 <Ras_Older> Summa summarum this problem is happening because my gcc is too old on this phone. This is why you mentioned the SB?
Aug 30 11:58:05 <KotCzarny> no, because you might have copied wrong files
Aug 30 11:59:30 <KotCzarny> and /usr/include/asm/ is system area, so most likely you just copied wrong version
Aug 30 12:01:48 <KotCzarny> dont remember which package maintains them, i suspect either glibc, kernel or gcc
Aug 30 12:02:55 <Wizzup> linux headers iirc
Aug 30 12:46:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Ras_Older: building on device is a pretty poor (or geeky) idea
Aug 30 12:48:16 <KotCzarny> doc, but i must admit, n900 is one of the very few phones that can produce it's own binaries
Aug 30 12:48:50 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, it _can_ but it's generally cumbersome to set up a working environment. And once it works, it takes ages
Aug 30 12:49:17 <KotCzarny> sure, but still
Aug 30 12:49:32 <DocScrutinizer05> well, N900 is a plain linux device :-)
Aug 30 12:49:47 <KotCzarny> and thats why it's so unique
Aug 30 12:49:48 <DocScrutinizer05> with nasty closed blobs but still
Aug 30 12:51:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sb
Aug 30 12:51:01 <infobot> somebody said scratchbox was a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Aug 30 12:51:05 <KotCzarny> i wonder if neo900 project would help replacing some of those closed packages
Aug 30 12:51:22 <DocScrutinizer05> neo900 project supports fptf
Aug 30 12:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fptf
Aug 30 12:51:26 <infobot> well, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
Aug 30 12:52:04 <KotCzarny> i meant the other way, kind of backporting some hw specific packages
Aug 30 12:52:14 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 project itself won't engage in sw development (except for generic drivers for hardware that's not (yet) found in mainline kernel)
Aug 30 12:53:27 <DocScrutinizer05> "we" don't have nagic knowledge of any kind, to do any such backporting or RE of closed blobs
Aug 30 12:53:41 <DocScrutinizer05> magic even
Aug 30 12:54:02 <KotCzarny> nagic is a fine word
Aug 30 12:55:35 <DocScrutinizer05> we just guarantee there will be a driver available for all hardware except where explicitly noted (PVR, peripherals firmware blobs)
Aug 30 12:55:54 <DocScrutinizer05> a FOSS driver
Aug 30 12:56:19 <DocScrutinizer05> for PVR there are non-FOSS drivers straight from TI afaik
Aug 30 12:56:25 <KotCzarny> personal video recorder?
Aug 30 12:56:53 <DocScrutinizer05> possibly violent revenge
Aug 30 12:57:11 <DocScrutinizer05> the GPU in our SoC
Aug 30 12:58:13 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: PowerVR
Aug 30 12:58:33 <DocScrutinizer05> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Graphics#SGX_software_components
Aug 30 12:58:57 <DocScrutinizer05> http://listas.gnu.org.ve/pipermail/powervr-devel/2012-September/000036.html
Aug 30 13:19:26 <kerio> rip obsd compatibility
Aug 30 13:44:11 <bencoh> krkr
Aug 30 15:46:05 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
Aug 30 18:00:06 <Vajb> is anyone using dropn900? And how come fixed version isn't on repos?
Aug 30 18:03:38 <Vajb> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1340431&postcount=443
Aug 30 18:32:25 <Sicelo> i am using DropN900
Aug 30 18:36:09 <Vajb> installed via those instructions?
Aug 30 18:36:31 <Sicelo> i believe so .. haven't clicked your link yet
Aug 30 18:36:47 <Vajb> :p
Aug 30 18:36:57 <Sicelo> not in repos because the maintainer request was not responded to
Aug 30 18:37:09 <Sicelo> afaik
Aug 30 18:40:33 <Vajb> yes i read explanation from last page, but my enter finger here was faster
Aug 30 19:42:49 <totalizator> my holidays are over, I'm back home and it's not a bit cooler Q__Q
Aug 30 19:43:04 <totalizator> but hey, I heve met a new friend http://imgur.com/a/4AfkI
Aug 30 19:59:22 <Maxdamantus> Psh. There's a video of the guy who ported Plan 9 to the Raspberry Pi compiling the kernel on-device in a couple of minutes.
Aug 30 20:00:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 30 20:01:05 <KotCzarny> jealous?
Aug 30 20:01:22 <Maxdamantus> I think he says there it takes about 40 minutes to compile the entire OS.
Aug 30 20:01:30 <Wizzup> plan9 or 9front
Aug 30 20:01:35 <Wizzup> because 9front already works on the pi
Aug 30 20:01:41 <Maxdamantus> Plan 9.
Aug 30 20:01:52 <Wizzup> Well, you seem to be certain
Aug 30 20:01:54 <Maxdamantus> Plan 9 also works, because of this guy.
Aug 30 20:02:10 <Maxdamantus> I don't think it was 9front.
Aug 30 20:02:19 <Wizzup> Don't see a reason to use plan9 - it is not being developed afaik
Aug 30 20:02:21 <Wizzup> 9front is
Aug 30 20:02:35 <Maxdamantus> in any case 9front probably also works because of the same code contributed by the same guy.
Aug 30 20:08:43 <Wizzup> Maxdamantus: you're right: https://bitbucket.org/mischief/plan9front/commits/1b61f86d62e94506a938ceb3dc684189#chg-sys/src/9/rpi/READMEhttps://bitbucket.org/mischief/plan9front/commits/1b61f86d62e94506a938ceb3dc684189#chg-sys/src/9/rpi/README
Aug 30 20:08:48 <Wizzup> bleh, double link
Aug 30 20:27:52 <Maxdamantus> it doesn't really make sense to port 9front. You can write fundamental code like that for Plan 9 and have the 9front/9atom/whatever distributions copy it in.
Aug 30 21:26:24 * DocScrutinizer05 just closed the "pending maintainer requests <ack> <reject>" page
Aug 30 22:36:55 <Ras_Older> Anyone interested of testing out wpspixie and Reaver v1.5.2 from N900? A.k.a WPS Pixie Dust attack :) I tried harder and now I have them compiled on my phone. They seem to work but I do not currently have opporturnity to test them out to actual target. I'll be doing a forum post briefly with more details but since I haven't tested them...
Aug 30 22:39:48 <erlehmann> Ras_Older what is it?
Aug 30 22:42:54 <Ras_Older> Actually I'll do the forum post later tomorrow. I want to be sure that this can be executed succesfully and right now I'm just plain out loud too tired :D
Aug 31 02:27:07 <Vajb> is there a way to list things in top menu? I mean the menu which is accessed by clicking clock icon.
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