**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 11 02:59:58 2015 Sep 11 05:03:04 hello world Sep 11 05:03:17 i am facing quite a curious problem on my n900 Sep 11 05:04:30 which one? Sep 11 05:04:37 i have the cssu thumb installed and everything works great except Sep 11 05:04:46 yappari cant tell if there is an internet connection or not Sep 11 05:05:01 nhoi Sep 11 05:05:06 also, the FAP says network error twice before updating catalogues Sep 11 05:05:21 although it ends up working fine in the end Sep 11 05:05:28 my problem is that phone call recording uses too much CPU and so it makes the actual call impossible :< Sep 11 05:05:49 ah, which software are you using to record the phone calls ? Sep 11 05:45:00 jester: dunno; someone here suggested I change software when the one that used to work stopped working, and since that replacement never worked either I never learned its name well Sep 11 05:45:14 seems to just be a pulseaudio problem to me. Sep 11 05:50:20 Luke-Jr, I was going to suggest using a replacement as well, its either a software issue or the pulseaudio one. But if one software works fine for everyone except you, its certainly a pulseaudio issue Sep 11 05:51:00 jester: you know something that works? :p Sep 11 05:51:27 jester, dont use fap Sep 11 05:51:31 ~fam Sep 11 05:51:32 fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam Sep 11 05:51:36 ~speedyham Sep 11 05:51:36 hmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Sep 11 05:51:38 (otoh, I suppose another possibility is that the eMMC is getting slower?) Sep 11 05:52:28 its also in cssu-t Sep 11 05:52:59 I have never tried recording calls, but theres orecchiette that can record calls and i think mydicto does that too Sep 11 05:54:03 Oksana: you recorded phone calls. What did you use? Luke-Jr's stuff uses too much cpu. Sep 11 05:54:16 orecchiette is the most recent one I tried Sep 11 05:55:16 * Oksana uses orecchiette , too. But, it has to be open before phone call, and you should check settings Sep 11 05:55:47 Oksana: when the call starts, CPU maxes out and the audio is unintelligible :/ Sep 11 05:56:11 what about the settings? Sep 11 05:56:22 KotCzarny, i dont actually see speedyHAM in my applications, and yappari isnt already working ... do you think it may be because some of my repos be out of date? also im confused as to, what happened when the nokia repos went down, are the replacement packages there on the standard repo now ? Sep 11 05:56:38 jester its called hildon-application-manager in repos Sep 11 05:57:06 ~maemo-repos Sep 11 05:57:06 it has been said that maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Sep 11 05:57:21 there are few mirrors Sep 11 05:57:34 KotCzarny, thats the usual one, aka HAM hildon application manager Sep 11 05:57:56 Maybe depends on the length of the phone call (?). Sep 11 05:57:59 thanks for the link, id verify my repository information Sep 11 05:58:11 jester, could be, still, dont use fam, speedyham is good Sep 11 05:58:16 Luke-Jr, or maybe youre setting the recording quality too high Sep 11 05:58:23 (i've tried it few days ago and it was good) Sep 11 05:58:43 svetlana: it's unusable from the moment I answer Sep 11 05:58:50 as for call recording, write as wav then encode after a call? Sep 11 05:58:59 hmm Sep 11 05:59:23 I'd try recording wave and piping it to `lzop -1` Sep 11 05:59:35 Wonder what version of sound stuff and of the orecchiette. Maybe some odd bug Sep 11 05:59:54 all my older "worked great" cases were AAC Sep 11 06:00:03 which I wouldn't have used in post-processing Sep 11 06:00:47 You might want to check that it's not resampling or something. Sep 11 06:03:38 would be great to have photo button starting and ending recording Sep 11 06:04:06 KotCzarny: meh, if it worked I'd just figure "record everything and edit later" Sep 11 06:04:45 that would be nice to have as a setting in phone config Sep 11 06:06:36 i wonder if it would be possible to listen for dbus events for call start amd end Sep 11 06:06:51 then it would be very simple to write recording feature Sep 11 06:06:56 the software I used before orecchiette just automatically recorded everything Sep 11 06:07:04 s/amd/and/ Sep 11 06:07:05 orecchiette does also, but needs to be started manually Sep 11 06:07:27 as in, the program needs to be running in the background; and then it will record/stop automatically Sep 11 06:08:05 meh, I need to get to bed :< Sep 11 06:08:06 write to orecchiette author? Sep 11 06:08:07 night Sep 11 06:08:09 nn Sep 11 06:08:20 KotCzarny: dunno who that is :P Sep 11 06:08:52 jpietrzak Sep 11 06:08:59 the one of pierogi's fame Sep 11 06:09:00 :P Sep 11 06:09:09 he is active dev Sep 11 06:09:26 (if im not mistaken) Sep 11 06:10:50 khttps://github.com/jpietrzak8 Sep 11 06:10:52 yeah Sep 11 06:11:19 and https://github.com/jpietrzak8/Orecchiette Sep 11 06:17:32 lets see who is maintainer on maemo Sep 11 06:32:49 * Maxdamantus suspects this battery isn't genuine, meh. Sep 11 06:32:59 ~polarcell Sep 11 06:32:59 polarcell is, like, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement Sep 11 06:33:00 Do they make different slightly holograms? Sep 11 06:33:10 they stopped adding holos Sep 11 06:33:10 (Nokia) Sep 11 06:33:30 so if you bought nokia 'original' recently then it IS a fake Sep 11 06:33:37 Right. Sep 11 06:33:50 * Maxdamantus wonders if that's significant. Sep 11 06:34:57 https://linuxcenter.kz/page/oscp-%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%B5%D1%80-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%82%D0%B8-%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0 Sep 11 06:34:58 wow Sep 11 08:04:37 moin :) Sep 11 08:09:53 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Ob19L8oYDMeGpSUUt4bklhYkk/view Sep 11 08:10:00 Fun hologram (real). Sep 11 08:10:09 Will record the presumed fake one soon. Sep 11 08:52:16 http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/17328_Nokia_no_longer_bothering_with.php Sep 11 08:53:03 http://www.ebay.com/gds/Avoid-Buying-Fake-Nokia-Cell-Phone-Battery-On-eBay-/10000000001916166/g.html Sep 11 08:54:41 also, weight of the battery can be a sign Sep 11 09:05:13 Well, the hologram itself is obviously not as high-quality as the Nokia one. Sep 11 09:06:33 (not the one in the video, the one currently in my phone) Sep 11 09:06:52 * Maxdamantus doesn't have another device to record, so has to swap batteries. Sep 11 09:08:27 so, coderus has libaxolotl (needed to implement TextSecure on Yappari) ported to QT5 Sep 11 09:08:46 of course our N900 doesn't feature QT5 but QT4 Sep 11 09:08:55 so there are several things that need some porting back Sep 11 09:12:01 ceene: somehow whatsapp didn't like me creating a group :( Sep 11 09:12:12 oh Sep 11 09:12:19 i'm gonna try that myself right now and see what happens Sep 11 09:12:35 all was fine until i created one .. now cannot login Sep 11 09:12:44 :s Sep 11 09:12:53 that doesn't sound nice Sep 11 09:13:14 i'm gonna do that on scratchbox then instead of on my main phone Sep 11 09:21:27 why the hell yappari think scratchbox isn't network connected? Sep 11 09:22:16 i see lots of cheap Windows tablets from China. is it reasonable to assume one can install Linux one them? Sep 11 09:22:21 *on Sep 11 09:22:57 usually yes, though there's no guarantee all the hardware will work Sep 11 09:26:03 uh, i gotta do some real work now Sep 11 09:26:07 or someone's going to fire me Sep 11 09:26:08 sorry Sep 11 09:26:14 but i'll get back to you ASAP Sep 11 09:26:59 sure. Sep 11 09:54:49 That's pretty much the same with all computer packages. They pretty much all come with Windows, though there's a small chance it's not going to pretty much completely work with a Linux-based OS. Sep 11 09:55:15 People who use Linux-based OSes aren't using magical hardware. Sep 11 09:55:49 userbase is bigger Sep 11 09:55:50 (myself included) Sep 11 09:55:55 i was thinking more about the booting part .. don't know what bootloaders are sitting in those tabs Sep 11 09:55:57 so is bigger chance of re of the drivers Sep 11 09:57:11 Probably just the standard NTLDR, unless they've changed the name. Sep 11 09:57:16 but i see now that since Intel Atom processor, we shouldn't have problems :) Sep 11 09:57:38 why is no one putting in Linux on the Nokia N1 though? Sep 11 09:57:43 they may use some vendor quirks to be working Sep 11 09:57:56 i remember helping someone with chromebook Sep 11 09:58:12 and unloading one particular module froze whole thing Sep 11 09:58:38 that's ARM though iirc Sep 11 09:58:52 still, vendors often lock their devices in nasty ways Sep 11 09:59:38 samsung arm chromebook are not really locked Sep 11 09:59:48 same for the nvidia-powered acer ones Sep 11 09:59:53 there is some work ongoing for running Fedora on bay-trail (x86) based tablets: https://www.happyassassin.net/fedlet-a-fedora-remix-for-bay-trail-tablets/ Sep 11 10:00:00 actually all arm chromebooks are not locked Sep 11 10:00:09 You can (re)flash Sep 11 10:00:16 Sicelo: N1 is x86 Sep 11 10:00:20 there are always sources avail too Sep 11 10:02:02 yes, i know. i mean the chromebook is ARM.. isn't it? Sep 11 10:02:31 oh wow.. unlocked? hmm Sep 11 10:02:45 I think a lot of Chromebooks are x86. Sep 11 10:03:01 * Maxdamantus suspects they'd usually be x86. Sep 11 10:05:49 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromebook#Chromebook_models Sep 11 10:07:27 So mostly x86. Sep 11 10:08:12 cool. never realized that Sep 11 10:08:19 * Maxdamantus wonders if that Rockchip thing at the end is x86. The Wikipedia page is of the company, which apparently mostly produces ARM chips, but entered a deal recently with Intel to expand their architecture in the mobile market or something. Sep 11 10:09:06 * Maxdamantus wants to see more desktops/laptops using non-x86. Sep 11 10:09:33 Intel doesn't, because they rely on their architecture being the de-facto desktop/laptop one. Sep 11 10:10:48 * Maxdamantus wants more competition of technology rather than competition of legacy support. Sep 11 10:11:22 that competition could mean more work for devs Sep 11 10:11:25 see physx Sep 11 10:11:46 and similar examples of proprietary technologies Sep 11 10:14:45 I'm not sure what it being proprietary has to do with anything. Sep 11 10:15:20 that means that technology will be bound to particular hardware Sep 11 10:15:31 remember old sse vs 3dnow ? Sep 11 10:15:39 but computers/OSes have been based on the same weird model for the last forty years or so. Sep 11 10:16:09 where the computer/OS is responsible for emulating another computer for each program. Sep 11 10:16:25 unless patents and licensing comes into play Sep 11 10:16:39 and you cant emulate other things without paying royalties Sep 11 10:17:23 If there's more fluidity between architectures there's probably slightly less of a chance of proprietary things taking over. Sep 11 10:18:01 have you ever thought why there are different architectures in the first place? Sep 11 10:18:19 this thing is still on Sep 11 10:18:39 Because the PDP-11 wasn't optimal. Sep 11 10:20:16 in 2001 alpha intellectual property was sold to intel Sep 11 10:20:33 alpha was >>>>> intel Sep 11 10:21:04 But Intel already pretty much has the monopoly over desktop computers by that point. Sep 11 10:21:14 which is why they were able to swallow up potential competition like that. Sep 11 10:21:24 s/has/had/ Sep 11 10:21:38 yes, but they really took off when ibm clone thing became popular Sep 11 10:22:11 Intel is successful because it's successful enough to fight off competition. Sep 11 10:22:14 earlier they were just a small competitor Sep 11 10:22:51 and what helps them is the current monolithic state of desktop computing. Sep 11 10:23:04 it's all on Intel's architecture. Sep 11 10:23:46 its because people started using cheap clones and writing software for it Sep 11 10:24:21 ie. things became cheap enough for many people to use it Sep 11 10:25:40 and once userbase become significant, commercial solutions started popping out too Sep 11 10:31:48 12:03 * Maxdamantus suspects they'd usually be x86. Sep 11 10:31:53 I don't think 'usually', but ok Sep 11 10:44:15 It apparently is usually. Sep 11 10:44:52 unless by not usually you meant always. Sep 11 10:45:13 but it's not always—there are a few ARM models, just not many. Sep 11 10:45:17 It would be good to see numbers net to the models Sep 11 10:45:24 next to* Sep 11 10:46:38 also, seems the code names on wikipedia aren't acccurate Sep 11 10:46:41 guess I should fix them... Sep 11 10:46:42 numbers of? Sep 11 10:47:59 sales Sep 11 10:48:07 Otherwise you don't really know the distribution Sep 11 10:48:44 meh it's likely a gaussian Sep 11 10:48:46 :> Sep 11 10:49:33 let's just say that in my circles, (/me counts....) one friend has an intel chromebook, the other 7 have (one or more) arm chromebooks Sep 11 10:49:42 probably biased :) Sep 11 11:31:34 no gaussian but guessian Sep 11 11:31:39 s/no/not/ Sep 11 11:31:39 KotCzarny meant: not gaussian but guessian Sep 11 11:44:59 further on the previous topic: so the problem with bootloaders that's plaguing smartphones .. is it "caused" by the ARM processors used, or we should just blame Android for example? Sep 11 11:45:32 both are vendor issue (hw or sw) Sep 11 11:48:50 hmm, ok. currently N900 is still one of the relatively easy ones to boot your own OS. Very few other smartphones seem to have scored success. It sucks Sep 11 11:49:36 it all starts with one Sep 11 11:49:51 one? Sep 11 11:50:09 one device Sep 11 11:50:17 that gains user base and interest Sep 11 11:51:00 it's been a long time already. N900 could boot your own linux "almost" from day one. Sep 11 11:51:32 im gonna do just that next week Sep 11 11:51:45 my third n900 should arrive today Sep 11 11:51:56 there's a lot of interest also in samsung devices especially .. and i dare say those hackers are knowledgeable. success is another story though Sep 11 11:52:19 * Sicelo has booted Arch, Debian, Nemo & SHR on his main N900 in the past :) Sep 11 11:52:31 very fulfilling. Sep 11 11:52:36 how about wince? Sep 11 11:52:38 :) Sep 11 11:52:53 of course calls didn't work, but 3G did, and i was satisfied. Sep 11 11:53:06 haha, wince? what would i do with that. no interest Sep 11 11:53:15 show off Sep 11 11:53:16 :) Sep 11 11:53:21 hmm, maybe i need to screw calls and use sip instead Sep 11 11:53:31 i wonder if i'll suck on gprs tho Sep 11 11:53:50 maybe boot cut down maemo os just with dialer and calls engine? Sep 11 11:54:04 (in chroot or something) Sep 11 11:54:10 L29Ah: regarding? Sep 11 11:54:30 though i would probably write my own dialer ui Sep 11 11:54:34 re getting up gentoo to use full time Sep 11 11:55:00 as only gsm-enabled device i carry Sep 11 11:55:06 *the only Sep 11 11:55:54 GPRS/3G should work just fine Sep 11 11:56:35 i mean, if sip over gprs is tolerable Sep 11 11:56:52 ah Sep 11 11:57:05 Wi-Fi? Sep 11 11:57:34 wi-fi is not quite omnipresent and 3g generally ends when one leaves a city here Sep 11 11:58:11 external usb modem for calls? Sep 11 11:58:24 you may have to be stuck with Maemo then :) Sep 11 12:01:14 :D Sep 11 12:28:50 yea migrating from debian to arch would be nice... Sep 11 12:34:49 Skry made the most progress in that direction. Not sure why he abandoned the project. Sep 11 12:41:38 arch its lighter and have alarm devs which ones mabe also could share with useful tips ideas about who knows... Sep 11 12:42:06 ofc still maemo better than android... Sep 11 14:21:24 Adventures of a skid, part I: how will I hack my skool server then ..plz teach me Sep 11 14:21:28 erp Sep 11 14:21:33 http://pastebin.com/mG0R9eAh Sep 11 14:30:21 Sicelo: now my WA account seems to be banned as well :P Sep 11 14:30:35 so i can't tell exactly what has happened Sep 11 14:31:24 :P Sep 11 14:34:34 imm on my 4th whatsapp number now, haha ... wait, 5thait Sep 11 14:36:16 i'm a bit tired of this whatsapp bussiness Sep 11 14:41:00 yeah Sep 11 14:47:13 if i can't get my number to be unbanned or whatever i'm no sure if i'll continue supporting yappari Sep 11 14:55:38 i also got fed up. when my 4th number got banned i vowed not to come back. my sisters bought the 5th number, haha Sep 11 14:56:01 lol Sep 11 14:56:31 it's them i was making a group for when i got that disconnection (i hope not ban, yet) Sep 11 14:56:58 it seems to be a ban, but maybe it's only temporary Sep 11 14:57:17 hmm. that sucks then Sep 11 14:57:20 i couldn't get scratchbox to work, so i used my main number to test it Sep 11 14:57:37 maybe i should post about this on the forum hehe Sep 11 14:57:47 so people don't get massively banned Sep 11 14:58:00 if only everyone just used IRC! Sep 11 14:58:20 those were good times Sep 11 14:58:27 or XMPP if they want/need fancy features such as calls Sep 11 14:58:42 You can perhaps create a bitlbee plugin Sep 11 14:58:51 Any clue why whatsapp is so agressive in banning implementations Sep 11 14:58:54 or SIP. i've tried to win over some people here, but didn't get far Sep 11 14:59:04 people just like what "works" Sep 11 14:59:23 the problem with the bitlbee plugin is the same as with yappari Sep 11 14:59:37 ceene: wrt banning, of course Sep 11 14:59:38 Wizzup: they claim unofficial clients are a security risk Sep 11 14:59:40 you get one little thing wrong with the protocol and bam! banned! Sep 11 14:59:43 but then it appears like everyone is using IRC ;) Sep 11 15:00:10 in my side of thw world, i have yet to meet an IRC user .. Sep 11 15:00:15 really? Sep 11 15:00:17 where do you live Sep 11 15:00:33 Swaziland/South Africa Sep 11 15:00:37 well, in my book yappari is less of a security risk as it is free source, but go and talk to them about that Sep 11 15:01:40 stupid whatsapp simply wants to uniquely identify people so they can ban them if they start spamming the service without thier consent... that's the security they want. Sep 11 15:02:26 they could care less about users' security... Sep 11 15:02:37 yep Sep 11 15:03:47 ceene: it sounds like an excuse really Sep 11 15:06:07 most probably, they just simply want total control of the network Sep 11 15:06:27 and maybe they're right, in the end they are paying for the infrastructre Sep 11 15:06:40 it's us the users who should choose more wisely Sep 11 15:18:09 yep Sep 11 15:18:34 now that I know what they're trying to do, so I do the best thing: refuse their service... Sep 11 15:23:28 greedy bastards Sep 11 15:23:32 that's what they are Sep 11 15:24:20 unfortunately everyones doing the same, ios, android, doomed... Sep 11 15:24:32 there is linux, irc etc Sep 11 15:24:51 pity people jump on the 'popular' bandwagon too quickly Sep 11 15:25:11 yet, popular comes from offensive marketing mostly Sep 11 15:25:26 and dumbing down tools so average user is happy Sep 11 15:26:17 telegram is a technically superior alternative yet here we are, using a very privative and secret protocol because "everyone" uses it Sep 11 15:26:48 and not only telegram, there are lots of alternatives Sep 11 15:26:49 but... Sep 11 15:27:23 someone needs to make a buck off of their service... Sep 11 15:29:04 are you proposing a ddos attack? :P Sep 11 15:29:10 someone needs to make a p2p IM service that's decentralized... Sep 11 15:29:31 it won't matter as long as people doesn't switch Sep 11 15:29:40 alas there are so many problems with such Sep 11 15:29:46 hence they wont switch... Sep 11 15:30:04 you can make the most incridible app yet people won't switch while the original one works for them Sep 11 15:30:06 they need 'shiny' Sep 11 15:30:56 just like android and ios... dang preaching to the choir... Sep 11 15:32:24 ecc3g: pybitmessage... Sep 11 15:48:37 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1482165&postcount=1126 Sep 11 15:48:44 I'm sad Sep 11 15:49:05 i know there are several people that will change phones if Yappari stops working Sep 11 15:50:43 in .pl there are few im networks, but they usually dont ban people for using alternatives Sep 11 15:51:07 haha, just because of whatsapp? i'll quit whatsapp, not the N900 :) Sep 11 15:51:08 yet, recently they updated policies with the list of 'official clients' so maybe its a wider move Sep 11 15:51:29 dont forget to make people mail whatsapp staff Sep 11 15:51:39 that they quit because of ban on alternatives Sep 11 15:51:50 also, make a campaign or two Sep 11 15:52:02 but suggest people to mail WA staff Sep 11 15:52:18 it really can make a difference Sep 11 15:53:03 it won't Sep 11 15:53:52 it can, receiving few hundred thousands emails is significant Sep 11 15:54:02 ok .. let me not be dogmatic, but it does seem impossible Sep 11 15:54:23 dunno, how may of us are? Sep 11 15:54:26 200? Sep 11 15:54:43 KotCzarny: for one, they don't even seem to be interested in mails that don't come from mailbox directly .. they want you to mail from the app Sep 11 15:55:26 ceene, seek other WA alts, join forces Sep 11 15:56:06 mail the bastards Sep 11 15:57:33 i may end up installing an android emulator and connecting via vnc to access WA Sep 11 15:58:02 or parsing androids' wa sqlite files to forward them or something Sep 11 15:58:43 i could sell a cloud of virtual android devices with WA forwarding... Sep 11 15:58:52 one man can dream Sep 11 15:59:09 i'd like to be millionaire too Sep 11 15:59:26 >cloud >whatsapp Sep 11 15:59:38 Adding cloud to anything makes it worse, not better Sep 11 15:59:48 lol Sep 11 16:00:14 it'd be worse for you, i'll be reach and sell to facebook yada yada Sep 11 16:00:25 s/reach/rich/ Sep 11 16:00:25 ceene meant: it'd be worse for you, i'll be rich and sell to facebook yada yada Sep 11 16:07:03 on the other hand, I've set up a linux server of mine to act as exchange server Sep 11 16:07:23 so i have instant mail delivery on my n900, alongside contacts and calendar synchronization to owncloud Sep 11 16:07:52 mail is previously filtered and each attachment is removed and replaced by a link to an https location Sep 11 16:08:08 so i don't download big attachments on the phone without my knowledge, saving 3g data Sep 11 16:08:12 isn't that cool? :P Sep 11 16:12:30 :) Sep 11 16:12:33 pretty nifty Sep 11 16:14:07 ceene: what are you using for that? :) Sep 11 16:14:26 zimbra? horde activesync? or .. what's the other one .. forgot :/ Sep 11 16:14:52 z-push Sep 11 16:14:59 well, it's a fork of z-push Sep 11 16:15:04 ah yes. so it works nicely? Sep 11 16:15:06 https://github.com/fmbiete/Z-Push-contrib.git Sep 11 16:15:26 it seems to be good enough for this Sep 11 16:15:40 it's quite a bit burdersome to set up Sep 11 16:15:49 because owncloud dav urls are a bit confusing Sep 11 16:15:53 how about resource usage .. not bad? Sep 11 16:16:24 on the server it's completely negligible Sep 11 16:16:29 and on the n900 Sep 11 16:16:43 i'd say it's better than using modest to automatically sync Sep 11 16:16:49 as exchange protocol supports push operations Sep 11 16:17:00 so email is not polled by the phone but pushed from the server Sep 11 16:17:06 yeah. i''m currently using outlook.com for that, but don't really like it at all Sep 11 16:17:32 to remove attachments i simply use procmail and a perl script i found somewhere and modified a bit Sep 11 16:18:10 did you really have to use it? modest doesn't download attachments until you choose to .. am i wrong? Sep 11 16:18:21 i think only mutt has that flaw :( Sep 11 16:18:28 uhm Sep 11 16:18:32 you know what? Sep 11 16:18:41 i never checked to see if modest could not download attachments Sep 11 16:18:45 so maybe i worked for nothing Sep 11 16:18:47 hehehehe Sep 11 16:18:48 :) Sep 11 16:19:01 let's see Sep 11 16:19:54 nope, there's no option to avoid attachments Sep 11 16:19:56 phew Sep 11 16:19:59 no Sep 11 16:20:08 but it doesn't auto-download it :) Sep 11 16:20:35 are you sure? Sep 11 16:20:44 if you want the attachment you click it, and only then does it start downloading Sep 11 16:20:45 if that's true then I'm an idiot :D Sep 11 16:20:56 IDIOT of the week, haha Sep 11 16:20:58 joking Sep 11 16:20:59 ;) Sep 11 16:21:01 hahaha Sep 11 16:21:06 well Sep 11 16:21:10 now I'm sad again! Sep 11 16:21:21 you still learned something from your efforts Sep 11 16:21:42 that's very true Sep 11 16:21:45 and can bring that to mutt, which sadly downloads all junk you get sent :( Sep 11 16:21:57 and push mail is still something nice, as well as calendar and contacts synchronization Sep 11 16:22:16 definitely. i'll look at z-push further. Sep 11 16:22:23 i would like to close my outlook.com Sep 11 16:22:48 but haven't had access to a proper server for stuff like z-push, etc Sep 11 16:23:25 luckily i have acces to a couple from my uni Sep 11 16:23:37 my own copy of ovi repos is in one of them Sep 11 16:24:40 it also seems to be currently maintained Sep 11 16:24:50 so it can only get better (z-push i mean) Sep 11 16:26:01 ceene: can i /query you? Sep 11 16:26:07 sure Sep 11 18:25:47 Citizen four. Any thoughts? Sep 11 18:29:46 Dunno. Sep 11 18:42:40 my first association was 'citizen kane' Sep 11 18:44:06 documentary of edward snowden. Ring any bells? Sep 11 19:19:39 (phonecall recording) I use recaller (recording .wav, the only thing that _can_ worj) and that's working for me since... 5 years now Sep 11 19:20:14 only annoyance: when 'disk full' it never recovers until boot Sep 11 19:21:58 test Sep 11 19:22:03 uhh Sep 11 19:56:07 DocScrutinizer05: apparently recaller has some serious memory leaks Sep 11 19:56:16 does it? Sep 11 19:56:51 my device been at 60 days uptime at times, maybe 90 Sep 11 19:58:57 (memleaks) if it's really a problem, then a killall hildon-home once a week prolly can't hurt Sep 11 20:00:19 yeah. tbh i also never noticed any issues Sep 11 20:01:03 but .. the dev didn't abandon it for no reason and put orrechiette instead Sep 11 20:06:36 well, it's a quite screwed-up implemetation, as a applet (so sub-'process') of hildon desktop Sep 11 20:07:01 those desktop applet 'plugins' are a silly concept to start with Sep 11 20:07:23 one failing-> whole hildon desktop hangs Sep 11 20:07:38 once segfaulting -> reboot loop Sep 11 20:07:43 one* Sep 11 20:11:26 it's maybe appropriate concept for really lightweight stuff, like... queenbeecon or sth like that, or for weather forecast applet (though I already start feeling stomach ache with that and the access to internet it needs) Sep 11 20:12:49 for such stuff the benefits from not needing a complete own dedicated process environment are noticeable Sep 11 20:13:34 stuff like recaller better was a mature decent own process, no matter what's the GUI Sep 11 20:21:23 ceene: lol. just found that my 1st blocked number is now unblocked .. it was maybe 3-4 months ago if 'm not mistaken Sep 11 20:22:55 will be testing your 2.0.18 now Sep 11 20:23:24 how about using temporary account/number for testing new apps? Sep 11 20:24:17 (not that DocScrutinizer51 would ever suggest using stuff like watsapp) Sep 11 20:27:09 tbh most of us wish we didn't have to. unfortunately, we also have real lives .. and real people to communicate with, who cbf about the philosophy of proprietary vs. open standards Sep 11 21:31:40 Hello! Sep 11 21:36:02 not a talkative one, that was Sep 11 21:50:26 hey KotCzarny Sep 11 21:50:32 hello Sep 11 21:57:20 Sicelo: cool, tell me how it goes when you can Sep 11 21:57:49 i was also banned once but reregistered a few months later and the ban had been removed Sep 11 21:57:54 it seems automatic Sep 11 21:59:51 yes. this is 2nd time it happens to me. so far so good with Yappari :) Sep 11 22:00:39 i am apprehensive about trying a group though, but regular chat seems good till now Sep 11 22:00:55 i understand Sep 11 23:26:03 Yeah, this non-genuine battery seems to have something like 730 mAh Sep 11 23:48:46 *grin* Sep 12 00:15:18 Actually, that figure might be wrong, depending on how the bq272 thing works. Sep 12 00:18:14 If it says it's charged, is it actually charged? Sep 12 00:19:41 * Maxdamantus suspects so, since it's meant to determine capacity from that state. Sep 12 02:23:43 Okay, after charging one battery and swapping that with an almost-empty one (no reboot) and letting it discharge for a minute, it indicates that it's still charging (but says 100%) a few minutes after plugging it back in. Sep 12 02:24:17 so the (binary) charged status is probably accurate. Sep 12 02:57:25 * Maxdamantus wonders what'll happen when he does it the other way round. Sep 12 02:58:05 * Maxdamantus suspects it'll jump to 100% at some point. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 12 02:59:58 2015