**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 13 02:59:58 2015 Sep 13 06:48:24 Maxdamantus: you can also change the compose key (via xkb) Sep 13 06:51:33 bencoh: there's nothing wrong with the compose key. Sep 13 06:51:43 bencoh: the problem is the way Hildon applications respond to it. Sep 13 06:52:28 I know :) Sep 13 06:52:29 It opens a the "Sym" dialogue when you press the key instead of inputting the compositions that should follow. Sep 13 06:54:56 I think hildon maps the Multi_key Sep 13 06:55:00 not the compose modifier Sep 13 06:55:36 Multi_key is compose. Sep 13 06:55:44 compose isn't a modifier. Sep 13 06:56:00 Multi_key is usually fn+sym in Maemo. Sep 13 06:56:54 Xorg itself generates the actual composition results. Sep 13 06:57:19 but the Hildon applications ignore them. Sep 13 06:57:26 not exactly Sep 13 06:57:39 compose is an xkb option Sep 13 06:57:49 Multi_key is a xkb keysym mapping Sep 13 06:57:58 Whatever the source is, they're sent over the X11 connection. Sep 13 06:58:16 It's not up to the applications to read the composition map and deal with it specially. Sep 13 06:58:30 so you should be able to set the compose option to some other key/keysym Sep 13 06:59:06 hwclock --utc --systohc Sep 13 06:59:08 hwclock: unrecognized option `--utc' Sep 13 06:59:10 Usage: hwclock [-r|--show] [-s|--hctosys] [-w|--systohc] [-l|--localtime] [-u|--utc] [-f FILE] Sep 13 06:59:19 is busybox drunk? Sep 13 07:00:06 high on heavy fuel Sep 13 07:00:07 It'll do UTC by default. Sep 13 07:00:34 * Maxdamantus just uses `hwclock -w` Sep 13 07:00:34 still, not accepting option then suggesting it on the next line isnt consistent Sep 13 07:01:00 unless someone castrated long opts but didnt update help Sep 13 07:02:13 bencoh: I don't think you can fix it by creating a new xkb identifier alongside Multi_key, if that's what you're saying. Sep 13 07:02:42 bencoh: I think the Hildon input system just drops the key events generated by the composition mechanism. Sep 13 07:03:04 and those events shouldn't have anything to do with what it's called in XKB. Sep 13 07:03:57 https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/90f98b83d9f39476f301 Sep 13 07:04:37 That's xev output on my desktop when I type `→.` (the first character using the compose key) Sep 13 07:05:19 You can distinguish between the `→` and the `.` events using something like the state property Sep 13 07:22:41 ~xy Sep 13 07:22:41 hmm... xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal Sep 13 08:03:17 Ahah! I fixed it! Sep 13 08:03:41 Just have to remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/hildon-im-module.so Sep 13 08:03:45 dont forget to post to wiki or tmo Sep 13 08:03:54 KotCzarny: maemo busybox is somewhat old Sep 13 08:04:04 'remove'? :P Sep 13 08:04:18 So what does this break? Sep 13 08:04:19 and maybe replace hildon-input-method, will see if that interrupts me when I restart that normally. Sep 13 08:05:21 It replaces the weird Hildon IM stuff (eg, the popping up of the symbols dialogue) with normal Xorg behaviour (Multi_key on any typical desktop system) Sep 13 08:05:57 "remove" as in make it not exist at that location, so whatever is loading it can't load it anymore. Sep 13 08:12:44 Anyone been to Þruðvángr? Sep 13 08:13:17 * Maxdamantus typed that on his N900, from osso-xterm, without silly dialogues. Sep 13 08:13:20 Maxdamantus: "fixed" :)) Sep 13 08:14:21 I guess it disabled the vkb as well Sep 13 08:14:35 Damn, misspelt, Þrúðvangr* Sep 13 08:14:53 * Maxdamantus will check. Sep 13 08:15:01 * Maxdamantus usually has it disabled. Sep 13 08:15:27 vkb is handy for foreign languages/alphabets Sep 13 08:15:47 what i'd like to know is how to write on easy debian aplications special symbols that usually available on the Fn+Sym menu Sep 13 08:15:56 Yes, that apparently doesn't work, though I don't use it. Sep 13 08:16:30 Maxdamantus: I wonder if vanilla scim/xim would work properly in gtk apps with HIM removed Sep 13 08:17:04 * Maxdamantus will try. Sep 13 08:17:05 that'd be cool Sep 13 08:17:15 I tried scim once. Sep 13 08:17:36 I have both (vanilla) scim and hildon-scim here Sep 13 08:17:48 (use it once in a while for japanese input) Sep 13 08:18:31 unfortunately the gtk scim agent needs some patching to fix some battery leak Sep 13 08:19:02 Battery leak? Sep 13 08:20:43 there is timer that keeps running even in background Sep 13 08:20:50 Ah. Sep 13 08:33:04 Mm .. just getting BadLength errors on scim in Debian. Sep 13 08:33:18 That seems to happen with a lot of things, I think always in Gdk. Sep 13 08:33:21 dunno. Sep 13 09:47:13 hey Sep 13 09:47:31 ~flasher Sep 13 09:47:32 flasher is, like, at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Sep 13 09:48:35 what is the "best" setup for an n900 these days Sep 13 09:48:45 I have 3 and I'm not willing to spend money on any other phone Sep 13 09:48:53 if I need android I use a tablet Sep 13 09:48:56 define 'setup' Sep 13 09:49:00 what is your use case Sep 13 09:49:16 also: Sep 13 09:49:17 every day phone with as much added on stuff as possible Sep 13 09:49:18 ~flashing Sep 13 09:49:19 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Sep 13 09:49:41 fisbulb: flash pr1.3.1 then go cssu (or cssu-thumb if you are feeling adventurous) Sep 13 09:49:42 flash-it-all ? Sep 13 09:49:54 just a name, it grabs images etc Sep 13 09:49:55 I can confirm cssu-thumb works just fine Sep 13 09:50:12 ~maemo-repos Sep 13 09:50:13 rumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Sep 13 09:50:43 ~cssu Sep 13 09:50:44 cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Sep 13 09:51:10 as for apps, do you listen to music? Sep 13 09:52:08 lol Sep 13 09:52:11 always plugging your own thing Sep 13 09:52:22 I find the maemo media player quite good Sep 13 09:52:40 wizzup, omp > maemo media player Sep 13 09:52:51 yes, sure Sep 13 09:53:17 as music player i'm using someplayer lately Sep 13 09:53:40 i think i did a comparison with oscp and someplayer used less cpu Sep 13 09:53:54 though not by much probably Sep 13 09:53:57 use cssu Sep 13 09:54:01 I use Sep 13 09:54:26 basically I want to wipe the phone and restore a fresh os Sep 13 09:54:27 maybe i should try building oscp with thumb2 Sep 13 09:54:48 then install all the normal trickery like cssu and that boot manager and shit Sep 13 09:54:50 fishbulb, then ~flashing ~cssu ~maemo-repos Sep 13 09:55:51 can you run non thumb apps on a thumb system? Sep 13 09:56:00 yes Sep 13 09:56:05 what's thumb Sep 13 09:56:20 do you guys use these as your every day phone? Sep 13 09:56:21 also thumb apps on nonthumb system (but you need kp Sep 13 09:56:30 fishbulb: yes, since 2009 Sep 13 09:56:30 so should i reflash to thum then, is it the recommended thing now? Sep 13 09:56:43 ceene, thumb is experimental still Sep 13 09:56:45 heh, I couldn't afford it in 2009 Sep 13 09:57:02 stable mostly, but bugs can be quietly present Sep 13 09:57:03 I've been running 3 for about 5 years Sep 13 09:57:27 do you use 3 n900 at the same time? Sep 13 09:57:31 :) Sep 13 09:57:36 no Sep 13 09:58:21 I have an n9 which is interesting because it has more power but nothing can beat this brick Sep 13 09:58:49 in terms of keyboard and some of the hardware other phones don't have Sep 13 09:59:34 and software Sep 13 09:59:36 :) Sep 13 10:05:38 um Sep 13 10:05:43 python, clojure Sep 13 10:05:57 command line stuff Sep 13 10:06:10 which software do you mean? Sep 13 10:06:16 all of them Sep 13 10:06:24 basically linux Sep 13 10:06:35 you can run bash on a rooted android device Sep 13 10:06:36 i wrote few apps for myself Sep 13 10:06:49 what do they do? Sep 13 10:07:14 audio player, audio visualizer/pixel engine, image viewer, http/ftp proxy Sep 13 10:07:27 no shit Sep 13 10:07:39 do you have any video of the visualiser running? Sep 13 10:08:16 one user made few (but its only a little bit what it does) Sep 13 10:08:21 mostly 2d pixel stuff, no 3d Sep 13 10:08:34 where can I see it? Sep 13 10:08:44 searching, moment Sep 13 10:09:39 I'm running opensuse, how do I install these .deb files Sep 13 10:09:43 for flashing etc Sep 13 10:09:55 um, just grab that flash-it-all Sep 13 10:10:05 it has tools/links to auto get firmware etc Sep 13 10:10:08 ~flashing Sep 13 10:10:08 and of course there's yappari, which more often than not gets people banned, even the coder himself ;) Sep 13 10:10:08 from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Sep 13 10:10:31 I use yappari on this Sep 13 10:11:11 yappari keeps getting updates every time I look for any Sep 13 10:11:30 it's basically the only app that ever gets regularly updated Sep 13 10:11:37 oh, i know, i'm the guy who releases them Sep 13 10:11:44 :) Sep 13 10:12:00 but don't get too used to that... Sep 13 10:12:13 dunno, maybe I manage to implement textsecure Sep 13 10:12:57 haha Sep 13 10:13:37 the problem is that it's a never ending race Sep 13 10:13:45 fishbulb: if you want to check you can grab osc and osc-pix packages Sep 13 10:13:46 so people in here keep the repos etc maintained? Sep 13 10:13:58 its still in unfinished form there and little manual Sep 13 10:14:34 i think pressing h should show some help and starting with -h should print some more help Sep 13 10:14:35 each coder is in charge of its own packages on the repos Sep 13 10:14:36 I want to flash this phone back to stock then cssu, then kernel power and whatever else is necessary Sep 13 10:15:27 I have one n900 that I haven't re-soldered a usb connector onto Sep 13 10:15:31 it got pulled out by someone else Sep 13 10:20:55 i recently bought 3 more n900s Sep 13 10:21:04 for 15, 25 and ~50usd Sep 13 10:21:30 the cheapest one has broken modem chip but otherwise works 100% Sep 13 10:21:45 how do you break a modem chip Sep 13 10:21:53 pressure Sep 13 10:22:02 or high/cold changes Sep 13 10:22:06 it unsolders itself Sep 13 10:22:27 freaking rohs Sep 13 10:28:18 hmm, is there any way to configure preffered maemo apps without editing configs manually? Sep 13 10:28:30 *preferred Sep 13 10:31:26 like doing extended packet injection and shit? Sep 13 10:31:47 I've got into a total of about 5 wireless networks with this dodo of a phone Sep 13 10:31:52 that I remember Sep 13 10:32:01 it's not great for doing that Sep 13 10:33:06 you shouldnt break into private networks Sep 13 10:35:20 it was friends places Sep 13 10:35:36 it was still slow as hell Sep 13 10:35:49 I think that's probably one way of overheating the wireless chipset Sep 13 11:09:52 Maxdamantus: i wonder if instead of removing the module you could perhaps disable (unset) the corresponding key in gconf Sep 13 11:23:42 It looks like you'd remove it from /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules Sep 13 11:24:39 Actually, no. That's apparently generated by scanning the directory. Sep 13 11:24:45 Hm, dunno. Sep 13 11:25:07 there's a gconf key .. let me find its path Sep 13 11:26:29 ah .. i'm wrong .. that path is for something else, still relatted to HIM though Sep 13 11:26:41 /apps/osso/inputmethod Sep 13 11:27:25 Yeah, I've looked at that before and couldn't think of what might be useful to do there. Sep 13 11:27:39 There should really be a way of making it not load the module in the first place. Sep 13 11:28:07 Rather than loading the module so that it can read some configuration somewhere saying that it shouldn't do anything. Sep 13 11:28:52 so after removing the module, how did you get maemo to put in the special characters? Sep 13 11:29:15 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internationalization#Disabling_GTK_IM_modules_.28without_uninstalling.29 Sep 13 11:29:49 I just used the normal compose mechanism. Sep 13 11:30:17 fn+sym is usually mapped to Multi_key, which usually lets you type special characters by writing sequences of typable characters after it. Sep 13 11:31:01 say i want to input U+0104 . how you do that now? Sep 13 11:31:04 but the Hildon IM thing makes the application respond in a special way to Multi_key, so it overrides the standard Xorg/X11 behaviour. Sep 13 11:31:44 fn+sym, 'A', ',' Sep 13 11:32:23 ah. i get you Sep 13 11:34:22 * Maxdamantus is already using a layout where he can type all printable ASCII characters. Sep 13 11:34:37 (only double-modifier one is `) Sep 13 11:35:21 (it also happens to be a Dvorak-based layout) Sep 13 12:33:32 btw, in Easy-Deb, the Shift-Ctrl-U method works :) Sep 13 12:34:33 Yes, that works here too. Sep 13 12:35:03 "here" meaning? Sep 13 12:35:17 in Maemo. Sep 13 12:35:34 wow! after removal of the module? Sep 13 12:35:39 I guess so. Sep 13 12:35:45 I haven't tried it with the module. Sep 13 12:36:07 well, gotta say thanks then :) Sep 13 12:36:20 finally an answer to my question Sep 13 12:36:37 It's kind of tedious pressing those keys though. Sep 13 12:36:50 yes :p Sep 13 12:37:47 actually i don't even need any of this .. but i could imagine the pain users go through who need lots of them. i know one could always reconfigure the hwkb or vkb Sep 13 12:38:04 but .. sometimes you could just need it once-off Sep 13 12:44:52 Sicelo: (re http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1482006&postcount=54) If I was to explain somebody how to pass through the app review, I'd rather would do it myself. What needs to be done is - someone has to read the review documentation and execyte the needed staps Sep 13 12:45:09 *execute Sep 13 12:45:48 one doesn't need to be dev to do it Sep 13 12:45:57 ok. let me go through it Sep 13 12:46:27 Sicelo: you can create your own app on facebook, to get used to the review UI Sep 13 12:46:55 freemangordon: is there anything special to do to compile for thumb2? or just some gcc flags? Sep 13 12:47:12 KotCzarny: just gcc flags Sep 13 12:47:14 * Maxdamantus will probably end up writing some input-related things as part of an xmonad configuration. Sep 13 12:47:23 freemangordon: got them somewhere handy? Sep 13 12:47:35 -mthumb :P Sep 13 12:47:40 * Maxdamantus sleeps. Sep 13 12:47:44 that simple/ :P Sep 13 12:47:51 :nod: Sep 13 12:47:56 cool Sep 13 12:48:31 KotCzarny: keep in mind - if there are assembly optimizations, you may need to fix them to be thumb2 compatible Sep 13 12:53:17 hum Sep 13 12:53:26 Sicelo: the biggest problem (as I see it) with n900 FB app, is that it doesn't fall into any of the platforms supported by FB Sep 13 12:53:48 you mean asm inlines or something else? Sep 13 12:53:55 and you cannot send for review without choosing platform :D Sep 13 12:54:06 KotCzarny: asm inlines? Sep 13 12:54:24 assembler inline code Sep 13 12:54:29 yes Sep 13 12:54:43 some instructions are not available in thumb2 mode Sep 13 12:54:56 but for regular c/c++ code i shouldnt worry? Sep 13 12:54:57 some behave diferently Sep 13 12:55:07 no, regular c/++ is ok Sep 13 12:55:10 k Sep 13 12:55:29 i have to disable asm in libav to compile it anyway Sep 13 12:55:38 wait, why? Sep 13 12:55:43 eek! that sucks Sep 13 12:55:48 because it was failing with gcc 4.2 Sep 13 12:55:59 KotCzarny: I guess it will be ok with 4.7.2 Sep 13 12:56:21 yes, but not in thumb i guess, still, gotta check tomorrow Sep 13 12:56:36 Sicelo: yeah. I choose "web site" as a platform Sep 13 12:56:38 any other optimization flags applicable for thumb? Sep 13 12:57:02 KotCzarny: see, this is just an instruction set. usual stuff apply Sep 13 12:57:07 k Sep 13 12:57:16 KotCzarny: better use -O2 Sep 13 12:57:29 seems like this is the best for n900 Sep 13 12:57:34 will try both, O2 and O3 and do some tests Sep 13 12:57:50 ah, and also enable the neon stuff if any Sep 13 12:57:58 -mfpu=neon, iirc Sep 13 12:58:35 k, thx again Sep 13 12:58:41 YW Sep 13 13:00:03 freemangordon: by the way, we are talking here about the sharing plugin? or were people referring to something else? Sep 13 13:00:48 yes, sharing plugin Sep 13 13:01:24 there might be people referring to something else, but I am not amongst them :) Sep 13 13:01:50 I am not really interested in FB widget Sep 13 13:03:24 what did the widget do? Sep 13 13:06:16 was showing... hmm... how is it called? well, the "news" on your FB page. new posts, etc. Sep 13 13:06:39 ok. Sep 13 13:06:58 the stuff you see when you open FB in the browser Sep 13 13:07:21 and it launches microb when you click on it Sep 13 13:07:24 iirc Sep 13 13:07:48 or default registered html app Sep 13 13:08:24 haha, so even if it worked, you'd have problems as we don't appear to have a browser that can handle facebook.com properly nowadays Sep 13 13:11:38 Sicelo: yep Sep 13 13:11:53 well, m.facebook.com works fine in microb Sep 13 13:12:19 touch.facebook.com works almosT fine :) Sep 13 13:12:47 yeah, although i doubt the widget could have been hacked for that, or would it? Sep 13 13:54:51 microb can handle facebook? Sep 13 13:55:00 I gave up ages ago Sep 13 13:55:07 when flash got outdated Sep 13 13:55:37 m.facebook Sep 13 13:55:45 better than nothing Sep 13 13:55:52 I'm trying to flash an n9 Sep 13 13:56:15 well, zero it, then flash it, I can't get all the required images in linux Sep 13 13:56:26 you need to run some windows software to download them for some reason Sep 13 13:57:41 check with other n9 guys. i'm sure ther are mirrors Sep 13 13:58:07 mrcrab.net Sep 13 14:20:11 can someone provide me with the linux flasher tool for the n9? Sep 13 14:20:29 64bit rpm Sep 13 14:22:28 the flasher 3.5 doesn't work with the n9 Sep 13 14:22:58 and that's the only one I have for the n900 Sep 13 14:28:42 ~flash Sep 13 14:28:43 somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Sep 13 14:28:59 ~repo Sep 13 14:29:00 The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications Sep 13 14:29:07 ~repos Sep 13 14:29:07 from memory, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Sep 13 14:29:40 ~tablets-dev Sep 13 14:29:40 extra, extra, read all about it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads Sep 13 14:30:09 fishbulb: http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads Sep 13 14:30:26 or rather: ftp://93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb Sep 13 14:30:53 hmm, doesn't work Sep 13 14:31:14 skeiron.org doesn't work no Sep 13 14:31:22 fishbulb: that one seems to work https://coderus.openrepos.net/flasher/flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb Sep 13 14:31:39 that's a .deb Sep 13 14:31:49 I'm running opensuse Sep 13 14:32:00 will that install? Sep 13 14:32:15 well, just extract the binary Sep 13 14:32:43 er Sep 13 14:32:51 also, I bet there is alien for rpm based distros Sep 13 14:33:03 ~alien Sep 13 14:33:04 Converts between the rpm, dpkg, stampede slp, andslackware tgz file formats. URL: http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ Sep 13 14:34:19 I don't know exactly what I'm doing Sep 13 14:35:21 this is a redhat derivative Sep 13 14:35:34 I have no idea how to install .deb files Sep 13 14:35:40 fishbulb: "yum install alien"? Sep 13 14:36:25 fishbulb: then use alien to convert the .deb to .rpm Sep 13 14:36:59 wait I have to restart the plugin container Sep 13 14:37:04 apparently Sep 13 14:37:18 fishbulb: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/11/alien-command-examples/ Sep 13 14:37:22 ah crap not before downloading the .bin files Sep 13 14:38:39 I'll be back in 10 minutes Sep 13 14:43:21 rice cooker, activate! Sep 13 14:46:52 is there a source I can build from? Sep 13 14:47:06 opensuse is fucking weird Sep 13 14:47:25 i'm pretty sure nokia's flasher is proprietary Sep 13 14:47:29 ~0xFFFF Sep 13 14:47:30 well, 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 Sep 13 14:47:34 that one's free Sep 13 14:47:38 but it can't reflash the eMMC Sep 13 14:47:48 I need to do both Sep 13 14:47:49 then again, you don't really want to Sep 13 14:47:54 fishbulb: you think you do Sep 13 14:47:56 kerio: also, I am not sure it supports n9 Sep 13 14:48:01 oh this is the n9? nvm Sep 13 14:48:07 buy a n900 :> Sep 13 14:48:10 :) Sep 13 14:48:20 yeah, sane advice Sep 13 14:48:21 I have 3 of them Sep 13 14:48:29 use them ffs Sep 13 14:48:33 I am getting this n9 running to give to my father Sep 13 14:48:49 but why? give him n900 instead Sep 13 14:48:57 he won't be able to use it Sep 13 14:49:01 yeah, sure Sep 13 14:49:02 the n900 is kinda shitty to use as a phone tbh Sep 13 14:49:08 but then again i never used a n9 Sep 13 14:49:16 the n9 is much easier Sep 13 14:49:22 you don;t say Sep 13 14:49:23 he can just push the buttons Sep 13 14:49:32 no keyboard Sep 13 14:49:44 buy him a 50€ nokia Sep 13 14:49:47 they still make them Sep 13 14:49:50 fishbulb: I have 2 n950 devices in the drawer collecting dust Sep 13 14:49:52 no Sep 13 14:49:54 my dad recently bought one Sep 13 14:49:59 literally 31 days in standby Sep 13 14:50:12 this n9 is good enough to use Sep 13 14:50:48 fishbulb: also, afaik, there is more SW still working on n900 than on n9 Sep 13 14:51:11 that's why I still use an n900 Sep 13 14:51:14 :) Sep 13 14:51:33 he can still make calls and probably listen to 50gb worth of music Sep 13 14:51:58 or however much storage this 64gb model has Sep 13 14:52:16 no fmtx ;) Sep 13 14:52:21 it's a nice solid phone with a touch screen Sep 13 14:52:25 he doesn't need that Sep 13 14:52:31 aah, well then Sep 13 14:52:48 it's still a nice touchscreen phone Sep 13 14:52:52 sure Sep 13 14:53:16 btw, does navigation work offline? Sep 13 14:53:33 no clue, he doesn't need that either Sep 13 14:53:58 I've literally never used this phone, navigation may work offline? I don't know. Sep 13 14:53:58 hmm, so he needs 50euro phone then, as kerio said :P Sep 13 14:54:18 I don't have 50 euros, I do have a 64gb n9 sitting right here Sep 13 14:54:23 hehe Sep 13 14:54:57 he lives in a forest Sep 13 14:55:13 n9 will do Sep 13 14:58:40 man I can't get this .deb to work Sep 13 15:00:38 https://software.opensuse.org/package/alien Sep 13 15:02:15 wow that was a phenomanal amount of crap Sep 13 15:03:48 I had to close the browser Sep 13 15:04:15 could you paste that info on how to convert the .deb? Sep 13 15:08:11 ok I hope this actually works Sep 13 15:08:29 ~flasher Sep 13 15:08:30 hmm... flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Sep 13 15:17:02 this just doesn't work Sep 13 15:17:11 it says something about the usb device being busy Sep 13 15:17:17 I put it into sdk mode Sep 13 15:17:20 mass storage mode Sep 13 15:17:27 sync and connect Sep 13 15:17:29 nothing works Sep 13 15:18:02 it seems there's a guy who has been banned too after creating a group Sep 13 15:18:31 tht doesn't sound good at all Sep 13 15:23:17 what? Sep 13 15:32:12 yappari Sep 13 15:32:14 yes ceene. saw it :( Sep 13 15:32:29 whatsapp servers are banning us when we try to create a group Sep 13 15:32:37 i don't understad why Sep 13 15:32:52 the method is the same that has been working since ever Sep 13 15:33:12 rekt Sep 13 15:33:27 i modified it a bit for 2.0.17 so initial participants are listed on the same command as create group Sep 13 15:33:50 that's the only difference i found between yappari and others (yowsu, etc) Sep 13 15:47:13 do I put this into sdk mode or mass storage mode Sep 13 15:47:18 or sync and connect Sep 13 15:47:23 For? Sep 13 15:47:26 nothing is being detected by flasher Sep 13 15:47:33 n9 Sep 13 15:48:01 If it's like the N900, you turn the device off with the USB unplugged Sep 13 15:48:15 Start flasher, then plug in USB. The device will then boot into flashing mode Sep 13 15:48:54 then converting this .deb file to .rpm didn't work maybe? Sep 13 15:50:52 Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Sep 13 15:51:07 I am getting sick of this shit :/ Sep 13 15:51:57 USB device found at bus 001, device address 046. Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Sep 13 15:52:04 then 10 Sep 13 15:52:18 more messages of "Error claiming usb interface" Sep 13 15:55:30 are you root? Sep 13 15:55:35 you may need to be Sep 13 16:00:47 yes Sep 13 16:00:49 this just won't work Sep 13 16:02:38 I converted the .deb file to .rpm Sep 13 16:02:40 maybe that's the problem Sep 13 16:05:57 just use a live distro then :) Sep 13 16:06:05 knoppix for example Sep 13 16:06:12 f that Sep 13 16:06:20 I'll try the windows tool Sep 13 16:06:59 linux is much more reliable for flashing maemo devices than windows is. Sep 13 16:07:04 anyway, your choice Sep 13 16:08:30 it won't work Sep 13 16:08:50 I've tried it dozens of times Sep 13 16:08:51 what won't work? :/ Sep 13 16:08:56 this flasher Sep 13 16:09:03 I converted it to rpm, installed it Sep 13 16:09:12 now it won't properly detect the phone Sep 13 16:09:46 do I mount the phone or something? Sep 13 16:09:50 ok. hope windows will Sep 13 16:10:03 me too Sep 13 16:11:05 phone shut off Sep 13 16:11:15 plug cable, run flasher, start phone Sep 13 16:14:20 ~flasher Sep 13 16:14:21 i guess flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Sep 13 16:14:45 where's the crappy windows one? Sep 13 16:21:13 it's trying to get me to donate money Sep 13 16:21:20 to use this software Sep 13 16:21:53 prolly you downloaded a trojan .. welcome to windows. the nokia one shouldn't do that Sep 13 16:23:27 ~flasher Sep 13 16:23:28 extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/n Sep 13 16:24:12 http://www.symbian-toys.com/navifirm.aspx Sep 13 16:24:21 this is the site Sep 13 16:24:59 :0 Sep 13 16:25:09 are you trying to coldflash the N9? Sep 13 16:26:05 coldflash? Sep 13 16:26:16 https://coderus.openrepos.net/flasher/ Sep 13 16:26:22 this one doesn't work either Sep 13 16:26:29 the windows version Sep 13 16:27:16 then you have bad cable, bad N9 usb port, bad pc port, or some such Sep 13 16:27:41 or it wasn't plugged in Sep 13 16:28:33 you only need flasher. don't mess with hardcore software like the navifirm one. Sep 13 16:29:23 still does nothing Sep 13 16:38:18 how do I open a command line as administrator Sep 13 16:38:50 hmm ... you may need to google proper N9 flashing commands Sep 13 16:39:27 to open windows command prompt as administrator type `cmd` in the start orb, then right-click on it .. second or third option is what you need Sep 13 16:42:11 turn on the phone then plug in? Sep 13 16:42:45 i think you would have to plug it in while off .. but i don't have N9 .. hence i said you need to google the proper way Sep 13 16:43:23 #maemo isn't exactly the right chan for N9 .. not many of us know how to use it, and a large number of us aren't interested at all Sep 13 16:43:45 I am becoming less and less interested Sep 13 16:43:51 :D Sep 13 16:44:31 i've got a friend's N9 here at my desk as we speak. i love it's hardware build for sure. but love my two N900 more Sep 13 16:45:21 if I have 3 does that mean I win? Sep 13 16:45:44 i wish i knew Sep 13 16:51:12 fix with hammer Sep 13 18:53:18 this goddamn fucking n9 won't flash! Sep 13 18:53:38 I'm going to actually shoot it Sep 13 18:55:10 sorry about the language but this is infuriating Sep 13 18:55:49 are you absolutely sure *you* are doing it right? Sep 13 19:21:29 fishbulb, how much do you wanna sell it for? :) Sep 13 19:21:41 also, for n9 you should use flasher >3.5 Sep 13 19:22:40 less than? I did Sep 13 19:22:48 it said flasher 3.5 doesn't work Sep 13 19:22:58 bigger Sep 13 19:23:03 um Sep 13 19:23:28 hmm Sep 13 19:23:29 from where? Sep 13 19:23:34 lets see.. Sep 13 19:23:36 ~flasher Sep 13 19:23:36 i heard flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Sep 13 19:23:54 :| Sep 13 19:23:54 https://aur.archlinux. Sep 13 19:23:55 org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz Sep 13 19:23:58 this one Sep 13 19:24:06 how do I use that in opensuse Sep 13 19:24:15 tar -xzf filename Sep 13 19:24:23 then just run binary from subdir Sep 13 19:25:12 not found Sep 13 19:25:13 https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/flasher-harmattan/ Sep 13 19:25:21 apparently link changed Sep 13 19:25:53 also: https://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9 Sep 13 19:26:14 is there an rpm? Sep 13 19:26:20 .... Sep 13 19:26:59 what are these phones worth Sep 13 19:27:12 I've seen them going for 200 dollars Sep 13 19:27:15 on ebay Sep 13 19:27:19 you know what, either learn some linux or just switch to android/windows mobile Sep 13 19:27:44 their value lies in being linux phone Sep 13 19:27:56 yes Sep 13 19:28:05 I am running opensuse Sep 13 19:29:49 it doesn't like .deb packages Sep 13 19:30:09 you can unpack deb package: ar x package.deb Sep 13 19:30:33 or: dpkg --unpack package.deb Sep 13 19:30:40 you said >3.5 Sep 13 19:30:45 it's 3.12 Sep 13 19:30:48 yes Sep 13 19:30:52 I tried it in windows and it didn't work either Sep 13 19:31:00 its what you need for n9 Sep 13 19:31:23 I converted the .deb into .rpm and installed it Sep 13 19:31:45 I have flasher 3.12.1 Sep 13 19:32:00 it won't find the phone, when it does it won't connect to it Sep 13 19:32:39 start flasher with params, then take off battery, connect usb cable, put battery back in Sep 13 19:33:07 n9 Sep 13 19:34:35 at least thats the way n900 works, i dont have personal experience with n9 Sep 13 19:47:55 this alien conversion to rpm I think might not have worked Sep 13 19:48:48 the phone should be detected and come up just fine Sep 13 19:48:57 all the partitions don't mount or something Sep 13 19:49:05 there's all kinds of aegis shit through this phone Sep 13 19:49:44 i still think what i said applies.. Sep 13 19:49:59 what did you say? Sep 13 19:50:03 either you have bad cable, bad N9 usb port, bad computer port Sep 13 19:50:11 or, your just making a mistake somewhere Sep 13 19:50:12 none of those things are bad. Sep 13 19:50:27 what makes you so sure they aren't bad? Sep 13 19:50:54 cables are known to be bad even when they "appear" to be good Sep 13 19:50:54 I just used the same cable and port to connect a couple of n900's Sep 13 19:50:59 I go by "does this cable work when I use it" not "does it look ok" Sep 13 19:51:05 then prolly the N9 Sep 13 19:51:25 I think the conversion from deb to rpm Sep 13 19:51:48 * Sicelo doubts Sep 13 19:51:55 why would it run? Sep 13 19:52:02 true. Sep 13 19:52:11 maybe it will run but not connect to anything Sep 13 19:52:14 I don't know Sep 13 19:52:46 did you look for the flash process specific to N9? Sep 13 19:52:54 of course Sep 13 19:53:07 what method is suggested? Sep 13 19:54:14 the deb->rpm conversion can't be at fault here; the flasher is most probably just an executable without libraries, so no path mismatch, and even if it needs some libraries they would be installed in the right place. Otherwise, as Siceo suggests, it wouldn't even run at all Sep 13 19:54:34 if this N9 was mine, i'd flash it ... Sep 13 19:55:28 USB device found at bus 002, device address 005. Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Sep 13 19:55:36 device or resource busy Sep 13 19:56:02 is the phone on? Sep 13 19:56:03 which resource? Sep 13 19:56:35 it says usb device found at bus 002, device address 005, device identifier blahblahblha Sep 13 19:56:42 then errror claiming usb interface Sep 13 19:56:59 is the phone powered on or is it off? Sep 13 19:57:07 it's off when I plug it in Sep 13 19:57:45 are you running the flasher before plug in? Sep 13 19:58:16 of course Sep 13 19:58:22 the instructions said to do that Sep 13 19:58:25 then it returns this Sep 13 19:58:27 USB device found at bus 002, device address 005. Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Sep 13 19:58:40 and repeats "device or resource busy" 10+ times Sep 13 19:58:59 is there any other process trying to access the n9? Sep 13 19:59:05 no Sep 13 19:59:13 by mounting its partitions or whatever Sep 13 19:59:44 you may need to look in lsmod .. perhaps for modules such as g_ether .. g_nokia Sep 13 20:00:45 the partitions won't mount Sep 13 20:00:58 they shouldn't mount Sep 13 20:00:59 it's a very modified n9 and I want to flash it back to factory Sep 13 20:01:31 it said something about not being able to downgrade the firmware, maybe this is the problem Sep 13 20:01:38 ah Sep 13 20:01:50 but that's explained in the forum post, heh Sep 13 20:01:55 and a solution presented Sep 13 20:03:00 how do I find out what's installed on this thing Sep 13 20:03:07 it might not be the same as the product code Sep 13 20:04:24 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 seems to be all you need Sep 13 20:04:42 flasher -i should answer your previous question Sep 13 20:04:48 * Sicelo goes to take a shower Sep 13 20:10:18 Waiting for ASIC id... Got 69 bytes. ASIC ID: 05 01 05 01 36 30 07 07 13 02 01 00 12 15 01 11 e4 ff 29 41 ff 64 c9 46 63 28 2a f1 a2 02 0a 2e d0 e4 ad 14 15 01 12 dd 2f 66 d4 55 fe 19 2c 62 b9 b8 e2 65 0a fc 1d 9f 3f 90 15 09 01 13 bf 3e ef 15 52 e7 03 HW variant: HS Found matching 1st (916) Sending 1st image (26496 bytes)... done. Sending HWID query... Received 11 bytes from 1st usb_bulk_read: Input/output error Got HWID: Sep 13 20:10:54 well Sep 13 20:13:58 http://pastebin.com/AbG81e2h Sep 13 20:16:12 why why why Sep 13 20:17:43 am I missing a dependency Sep 13 20:17:48 libusb-compat Sep 13 20:18:00 it should have installed Sep 13 20:18:35 it wouldn't even run if there was something wrong Sep 13 20:53:31 so you've flashed now? Sep 13 23:03:55 Luke-Jr: The phone that I have orecchiette on, is not boot-able right now (most likely, because of 0 space on rootfs), but last time I heard a phone call recording on it, it was well-audible. Should check as soon as I get it to boot again. What settings do you use? 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