**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 15 02:59:58 2015 Sep 15 11:19:22 moin :) Sep 15 11:39:49 ~microb Sep 15 11:39:54 ~micro-b Sep 15 11:39:58 ~ping Sep 15 11:40:01 missing bot Sep 15 11:40:03 ah Sep 15 11:42:06 just wanted the microb-thumb-renders-like-mad factoid Sep 15 11:42:18 try google Sep 15 11:42:23 might be there somewhere Sep 15 11:42:42 got it in logs Sep 15 11:42:55 what are you hacking? Sep 15 11:43:47 nothing haha. just wanted to see if there's anything "special" to do in order to see the speed improvement Sep 15 11:43:54 :) Sep 15 11:44:04 most likely free ram Sep 15 11:44:23 if you dont use modest/rss try disabling their autostart Sep 15 11:44:31 few megs never hurt Sep 15 11:44:32 i use them Sep 15 11:45:05 i'm trying to learn C again, for the 100th time, heh Sep 15 11:45:12 its easy Sep 15 11:45:13 :) Sep 15 11:45:31 if i do: Sep 15 11:47:07 array[5], then i can put values in array[0] to array[4]. Or is it to [3] only? where [4] would be the null character? Sep 15 11:47:13 0-4 Sep 15 11:47:25 but if you dont include null char, you will have troubles Sep 15 11:48:03 (well, in string related tasks) Sep 15 11:48:26 doesn't the null char add "itself" for strings? Sep 15 11:48:37 some functions do Sep 15 11:48:48 but c is quite raw Sep 15 11:49:18 so dont rely on it being present 100% of the time Sep 15 11:49:31 and make your functions safe from such situation Sep 15 11:50:39 cool. Sep 15 12:43:22 sad that n900 cant put output on tv w/o lcd present... Sep 15 12:44:12 should do unless I misunderstand Sep 15 12:45:05 sixwheeledbeast: sadly no, bc looks like it takes resolution only when display connected and working... Sep 15 12:46:44 you mean it requires edid or n900's screen on? Sep 15 12:47:59 KotCzarny: not sure what correctly needed, but w/o lcd attached no useful signal at tv out... Sep 15 12:49:32 most likely edid then Sep 15 12:49:51 drathir is right. i remember reading about this Sep 15 12:51:57 Sicelo: KotCzarny not sure about tech side, i guessing DocScrutinizer51 may be more oriented about that hw side... Sep 15 12:53:43 edid is data sent from monitor to device about available freqs and some other info Sep 15 12:55:09 older monitors didnt support it, but currently EVERYTHING supports it Sep 15 12:55:49 surely this can be faked in sw Sep 15 12:56:13 still, how does it work over 3x cinch cable o.O Sep 15 12:58:50 EDID also depends on the connecting cable Sep 15 13:01:13 but now i think about it, regular analog av cable doesnt support it, so it might be simply tv not supporting n900's resolution Sep 15 13:02:20 drathir, maybe you need to select ntsc/pal ? Sep 15 13:02:29 or your tv is so old it only supports secam? Sep 15 13:04:14 i'm lost :) he's not having that problem, is he? Sep 15 13:04:26 not sure Sep 15 13:04:31 i think he's got bad lcd? Sep 15 13:04:41 but as much i understood it works on lcd tv but doesnt on analog tv Sep 15 13:04:58 and had hoped to at least use tv out in the absence of working lcd .. which doesn't work Sep 15 13:05:10 i think he means N900 lcd :) Sep 15 13:05:30 broekn ribbon or cracked screen Sep 15 13:05:34 *broken Sep 15 13:05:36 hum Sep 15 13:07:11 im pretty sure cinch/rca not support data transfer... the phone have tv out settings attached... Sep 15 13:08:25 and its connected directly with no connected lcd im guessing... Sep 15 13:09:30 * Sicelo is completely lost now Sep 15 13:10:24 drathir: pytanie w czym problem Sep 15 13:10:34 drathir: co konkretnie dziala/nie dziala i kiedy Sep 15 13:10:42 in theory some kind of paralel mode both are connected each other, or some kind of similar to back panel switch sd card behaviour, w/o connected workin lcd not enabling signal out... Sep 15 13:11:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=434658&postcount=14 Sep 15 13:12:03 So if your TV doesn't recognize the video out of the N900, I'd first try to display a bright image to see if that helps, or just wait a few minutes. You also need to connect the video source prior to connecting the cable to the N900 Sep 15 13:12:14 no lcd connected no tv out available, workin lcd attached tv out available and fuly workin... Sep 15 13:12:23 n900 tv out signal is ~0.5V instead of standard 1.0V Sep 15 13:13:08 Sicelo: and yea lcd=builid in lcd... Sep 15 13:16:57 so, you mean tv signal is only present when device is unlocked? Sep 15 13:17:36 tv signal out workin only when working builidin lcd attached... Sep 15 13:17:53 are you sure X even starts? Sep 15 13:18:14 attached like in ribbon cable connected? Sep 15 13:18:15 when builid in lcd unattached the tv out signal not workin... Sep 15 13:18:28 what wizzup said Sep 15 13:18:56 maybe it doesnt boot properly without lcd attached Sep 15 13:19:06 yea, builid in lcd connected to board and disconnected from board... Sep 15 13:21:15 Wizzup thats really: good point, maybe the X crashing w/o builid in lcd connected to board... i guess need to check that by ssh connect to phone... Sep 15 13:22:38 drathir: that or serial Sep 15 13:22:49 that also could mean tv out and builid in lcd out could be linked each other in some way... Sep 15 13:24:01 * drathir thinks all the time that are both separate device outs... Sep 15 13:24:19 I wonder if you can have them show separate things Sep 15 13:24:25 as much as I would *love* that Sep 15 13:24:29 I am not so sure if that is possible Sep 15 13:24:31 cc DocScrutinizer51 Sep 15 13:24:38 does xrandr work on n900? Sep 15 13:25:11 KotCzarny: likely not with omapfb Sep 15 13:25:14 I mean, you could check... Sep 15 13:25:21 I also doubt you'd control the tv out with xrandr Sep 15 13:25:23 but maybe ... just maybe Sep 15 13:26:54 (II) FBDEV(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message. Sep 15 13:27:05 but no word in xlog about tv out Sep 15 13:27:07 https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/maemo-tvout-control/trees/master/src Sep 15 13:27:08 only lcd Sep 15 13:27:12 of course ... not visible atm Sep 15 13:28:03 https://github.com/community-ssu/maemo-tvout-control Sep 15 13:28:27 but even if that all no success i guess at least stay vnc... Sep 15 13:28:43 drathir: or usb video card Sep 15 13:28:47 hm.. Sep 15 13:28:57 drathir: what is it that you want to do Sep 15 13:29:41 Wizzup: not sure if clean mamemo have it too, but with kernel power i was i menu the type pal/ntsc and i guess also resolution... Sep 15 13:29:58 drathir, never saw resolution applet for tv out Sep 15 13:30:13 though i saw desktop widget with scaling etc Sep 15 13:30:15 you cannot change the resolution Sep 15 13:30:22 KotCzarny: yea that too but powered modified usb hub needed for that i guess... Sep 15 13:30:23 and tv system Sep 15 13:30:40 I wonder why I cannot find wiki pages on it Sep 15 13:31:02 tv out control widget Sep 15 13:31:13 I mean on how it works internally Sep 15 13:31:14 on the wiki Sep 15 13:31:16 Wizzup: im thinked about connecting n900 w/o lcd to tv instead... Sep 15 13:31:36 tv out is limited to 576px vertically Sep 15 13:31:46 which sux for anything Sep 15 13:33:15 * Wizzup looks at libtvout-ctl Sep 15 13:33:26 drathir: so you want to get a higher res output on the tv? Sep 15 13:33:58 https://github.com/community-ssu/libtvout-ctl Sep 15 13:34:04 KotCzarny: played 720p with nice looks and cool sound... Sep 15 13:34:05 https://github.com/community-ssu/libtvout-ctl/blob/master/src/tvout-ctl-xrandr.c Sep 15 13:34:32 but up than 720p is really trouble ;/ Sep 15 13:37:24 Wizzup: and no needed high res on tv, enough standard one w/o attached builid in lcd to board.... Sep 15 13:38:03 drathir: you're really confusing me Sep 15 13:38:15 did you just say you managed to output more than 480x800 on the tv out Sep 15 13:39:41 Wizzup: when You put out builid in lcd from boad, You have only board and to be able connect only board w/o builid in lcd directly by tv out... Sep 15 13:40:11 So what? Just leave the lcd on for now Sep 15 13:40:23 I do not understand the whole discussion Sep 15 13:40:53 in case i dont have lcd its broken or wathever reason no lcd connected to board... Sep 15 13:41:16 so the whole discussion was never about a different resolution on anything Sep 15 13:41:24 just ssh to it already and figure out if X is still working or not Sep 15 13:41:32 no lcd connected to board = tv out not workin... Sep 15 13:41:53 you said this a 100 times Sep 15 13:41:54 Wizzup: yea i will check all the things mentioned... Sep 15 13:44:51 and ofc thanks a lot for all useful ideas... Sep 15 13:46:18 welcome Sep 15 15:35:57 anyone knows why Google, when `inventing` Android, decided to combine Linux with Java? Sep 15 16:12:15 sicelo, for science and stuff! Sep 15 16:12:27 but seriously they needed cheap platform with sandbox Sep 15 16:24:35 i'd assume close to vanilla linux would be cheap enough Sep 15 16:25:27 Sicelo: google never invented android Sep 15 16:25:30 They bought it Sep 15 16:28:38 from? and still .. they should have bought tizen :P Sep 15 16:30:37 or webos (or were these not around in those days) Sep 15 16:36:15 (( no lcd connected to board = tv out not workin...)) yes, this seems to be correct. Probably X11 (or kernel module) doesn't initialize the LCD display buffer. mind you "LCD" also has a lot of other subsystems like "mousepointer" aka touchpanel, bacjlight for LCD, camera, ALS, proximity sensor Sep 15 16:36:15 anyway .. just random musing. the fate of android is sealed Sep 15 16:37:55 Sicelo: first Android device was OM Freerunner and I don't think tizen existed at that time, neither webos was 'available' Sep 15 16:38:59 would been interesting if google went with either of those Sep 15 16:40:15 you seen werner almesberger's talk on Neo900? he's mentioning the unknown fact about very first Android device Sep 15 16:41:05 no. will look at it again Sep 15 16:43:35 haha, from wikipedia: Sep 15 16:43:55 Several security firms, such as Lookout Mobile Security,[171] AVG Technologies,[172] and McAfee,[173] have released antivirus software for Android devices. This software is ineffective as sandboxing also applies to such applications, limiting their ability to scan the deeper system for threats. Sep 15 16:44:25 HARHARHAR Sep 15 16:44:42 haha Sep 15 16:50:43 (OM Freerunner) I rather guess it was OM GTA01 Sep 15 16:59:17 DocScrutinizer05: link for the video? Sep 15 16:59:38 http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm Sep 15 17:01:05 http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/talk.pdf p.6 Sep 15 17:05:28 thanks. Sep 15 17:08:57 yw :-) Sep 15 17:14:18 4:40 Sep 15 17:18:22 too late, lol. i'm at 6 min already Sep 15 17:20:49 he's calling our OS FREEmantle!! insult Sep 15 17:21:00 :p Sep 15 18:40:28 DocScrutinizer05: ALS is light sensor right? Sep 15 18:41:35 yep Sep 15 18:41:38 Sicelo: comodo suggesting rooting of device for extra feautures ^^ Sep 15 18:41:50 re ALS ^^ Sep 15 19:26:43 ~seen pali Sep 15 19:28:39 bot still missing Sep 15 19:48:53 ~ping Sep 15 19:50:35 B-( Sep 15 20:40:41 now that i think about it Sep 15 20:41:08 there should be a way of sniffing out the messages between whatsapp and its servers Sep 15 20:41:26 maybe i could compare the group creation messages Sep 15 20:41:42 or maybe it is decipherable in the decompiled code, dunno Sep 15 20:41:50 they should be talking over tls Sep 15 20:42:23 if wa verifies the cert of wa servers there isn't anything i can do, is it? Sep 15 20:42:27 try hijacking the tls lib Sep 15 20:43:08 to dump the plaintext Sep 15 20:43:13 uhm Sep 15 20:43:27 i could write a shared library that replaces the original Sep 15 20:43:45 seems a bit complicated Sep 15 20:44:09 you need to write a shared library that proxies the calls to the original one Sep 15 20:44:19 or you need to patch the original one to dump stuff you need Sep 15 20:44:49 go ldd the client to see if it actually uses any Sep 15 20:45:52 i think that won't be needed Sep 15 20:46:00 there's very little you can't do if you have root Sep 15 20:46:02 i got the decompiled coded and seems readable Sep 15 20:46:02 at least, in theory Sep 15 20:46:18 wow Sep 15 20:46:31 what did you use to decompile it? Sep 15 20:47:04 does android use openssl? Sep 15 20:47:08 jd-gui Sep 15 20:47:32 oh java Sep 15 20:47:35 basically first google entry for "java decompiler" Sep 15 20:51:20 there seems to be a new entry Sep 15 20:51:24 called "web" Sep 15 20:52:06 but... Sep 15 20:52:12 it's not always set Sep 15 20:52:27 don't know, I'm confused Sep 15 20:56:08 i can't see any difference :( Sep 15 21:02:46 Hm. I'm pretty sure now that that osso-xterm closing thing can happen when I press esc, 'a' Sep 15 21:02:56 where esc is fn+enter Sep 15 21:18:54 bot resetted Sep 15 21:38:38 Maxdamantus: I'd use plai xterm if I were you :) Sep 15 21:38:47 (actually that's what I do) Sep 15 23:28:37 ~ping Sep 15 23:28:37 ~pong Sep 15 23:28:41 ~botsnack Sep 15 23:28:42 :), sixwheeledbeast Sep 15 23:43:59 infobot: botsnack Sep 15 23:43:59 drathir: thanks Sep 16 00:25:10 bencoh: I'd probably need to figure out a new way to open links, and scroll. Sep 16 00:26:04 * Maxdamantus has room for pgup/pgdown on his keyboard layout, though xterm usually expects you to use shift+.. Sep 16 00:26:22 and irssi/tmux use the other Sep 16 00:51:22 Maxdamantus: xterm allows you to remap pretty much every key sequence **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 16 02:59:59 2015